UKIP will be on the rise,there is no doubt of that.

I would fucking urge every single person though to not do anything as fucking silly as to vote Tory as some sort of 'fuck you' to the NO voters/labour.

Instead Scotland has to deliver a resounding NO to all the main parties and keep fighting to ensure either the SNP or as i say (some other more radical Independence party) can keep the fight going over the next 5 years.

TEK wrote:

UKIP will be on the rise,there is no doubt of that.

I would fucking urge every single person though to not do anything as fucking silly as to vote Tory as some sort of 'fuck you' to the NO voters/labour.

Instead Scotland has to deliver a resounding NO to all the main parties and keep fighting to ensure either the SNP or as i say (some other more radical Independence party) can keep the fight going over the next 5 years.

 
You're right mate, I'm still really fucking angry and making some throw away comments, there's no way I'll ever vote Tory.

I joined the SNP today, never been a card carrying politico before and always voted Labour, time to get more involved I think.

Still angry 

TEK wrote:

That's the spirit big man.

Let's not let the bastards make us bow down and give up.

 
Bow down to your imperial bastards! 

Thanks to empire biscuit & chunkymark. 

Meant to add not sure if anyone has seen or heard about the mass membership to SNP in the last 2 days. 9000 members joining up. Surely a sign.

Also, at the next GE it is likely that most YES voters will be there to do what they need to do, what ever that may be. This will not be replicated by NO voters I can almost garantee. What is probably most important is to continue to stick the knife it to the already dying Labour Party.

We won't be able to get rid of the Tory's at the GE but if we at least vote for MP's that will represent us from party's that will stand up - whether that be the SNP or another party as was mentioned. This way we will send a message.

Hamiltonarab wrote:

Meant to add not sure if anyone has seen or heard about the mass membership to SNP in the last 2 days. 9000 members joining up. Surely a sign.

Also, at the next GE it is likely that most YES voters will be there to do what they need to do, what ever that may be. This will not be replicated by NO voters I can almost garantee. What is probably most important is to continue to stick the knife it to the already dying Labour Party.

We won't be able to get rid of the Tory's at the GE but if we at least vote for MP's that will represent us from party's that will stand up - whether that be the SNP or another party as was mentioned. This way we will send a message.

 
Labour fucked North of the border and will continue to imitate Tories South of the border. We shouldn't forget the unions lack of involvement in the referendum, apart from RMT.

Saw dozens of speakers at public meetings during campaign from Labour for Independence, TU reps, Greens, Radical Independence, Socialists, etc. Some of them are parties and some of them are factions or protests. Next GE, my vote will go to the most left wing option available.

As usual.

15700 new members of the snp since Friday....mental

This video by Alan Bissett of YES Argyll was recorded last year.

He is absolutely spot-on regards what will happen in a Post-Indy NO Scotland.

The Tories+Labour have carried off the ultimate stitch-up job on the Scottish public.That so many of my fellow countrymen and women fell for it leaves me despairing.
 

Aftermath?

Well I fully respect the democratic process but i'm pissed off that the result was so decisive in two of our most affluent cities.

And whilst I plan not to moan too much to folk about it, fuck everything Scottish/British, starting with the national team, Eurovision Song Contest, The Ryder Cup Team, especially the soggy biscuyit bastarding Rugby team etc etc

Hope they all get pumped.

 

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Fucking hell, that didn't take long.  More jobs in Oil and Gas for Scotland (West Lothian) and now the oil might last 100 more years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-29342142

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-29281935

Hoenstly, I keep trying to get over this vote but with every passing day there's another revelation that makes my blood boil.

Gutted at the result and getting more and more angry day by day.

Whilst people's political opinions should be respected I cannot respect people who vote NO because of senseless reasons, laziness or plain blinkered stupidity.

No voters have short memories or are blissfully unaware of broken towns, communities and people. Wesminster treats Scotland with total contempt and is further demonstrated by their actions since the vote - back tracking on pledges, TEK's links to oil articles.....

I could go on and on, but I would just be repeating what most people on here already know. 

Fucking sick and disgusted with 55% of Scotland.

MatTheCat wrote:

european_bob wrote:

Gutted at the result and getting more and more angry day by day.

Whilst people's political opinions should be respected I cannot respect people who vote NO because of senseless reasons, laziness or plain blinkered stupidity.

No voters have short memories or are blissfully unaware of broken towns, communities and people. Wesminster treats Scotland with total contempt and is further demonstrated by their actions since the vote - back tracking on pledges, TEK's links to oil articles.....

Fucking sick and disgusted with 55% of Scotland.

And what about all those who voted YES because of senseless reasons, laziness, or plain blinkered stupidity?

A policy strategist to the Clinton adminstrator once stated in regards to his views on reincarnation (paraphrased):
"I used to think I would like to return as president, pope, or a .400 hitting baseball player, but on second thoughts, I would like to return as the 'bonds market', as that has the power to intimidate everyone"

It aint no fairground out there and it isn't just other governments that are the biggest baddest beasts around, but also the major financial institutions. Indeed, it could be argued that the banks exist above the soveriegn powers of nation states since the governments of nation states are clearly being dictated to, and increasingly run for the benefit of the large financial institutions. The scandal of the bank bail-outs being a stunning example of where private financial interests forced governments to 'nationalise' private debt through placing the burden onto the tax payer.

An independent Scotland going out into the big bad world on the back of an acrimonious divorce from the UK, with just Salmond's 'White Paper' providing us with our sense of fiscal direction, would be like sending out a lamb to fend for itself amongst the wolves. Any attempt by Salmond or any other elected 'King of Scotland' to implement the the much vaunted egalitarian social policies we are told an independent Scotland could implement, wrestle control of its energy, or take any other course of action that wasn't to the liking of the big financial powers, would soon find the financial markets dissapproving of Scotland in all manner of ways, not least of all by taking a dim view of Scotland's 'credit worthiness', and hence cost of government borrowing and the real cost of everything else within the Scottish economy. For those YES supporters who like to dimiss financial issues as being of no importance or relevance to the 'common man', i would refer them back to the 'laziness, or plain blinkered stupidity' quote which I started this post with.

Although I have been disgusted by the NO campaign just as much as I have remained unimpressed by the YES campaign, and whilst I despise the sight of public school boy Tory wankers waving Union Jacks celebrating the Unionist victory almost as much as I despise the sight of all these retard Orange Bastard Hun low-breeds celebrating the Unionist victroyb by waving Union Jacks, and rioting, I think now that I am releived that the NO vote won. I feel the greivance of almost everyone I know at the election result and still believe that 'they' must have been at the capers with the ballot boxes en route to the coutning stations, in order to get the decisive NO victory that they got, but I just feel that this NO result is best for the health of everyone, even if it is the result favoured by the prevailing political establishment in this country, who we know to have anything but 'our' interests at heart.

There will always be the very valid arguments based on how much richer Scotland could be as an independent nation and hence how much fairer a society we could establish for ourselves. However, one could say the very same things about the many resource rich central African economies whose lands and seas are awash with Oil, precious metals and other valuable minerals, etc etc. So what is preventing Angola, or Gabon from becoming a Southern Hemisphere 'Scandivia'? Many factors of course, but with the primary issue being the surrounding political and financial environment in which these countries exist.

I have always said that for an independent Scotland to come good, it would require an exceptional (i.e. unrealistic) combination of altruism and guile from those charged with guiding the nation. The reality would be that an independent Scotland would be just like every other 'diddy EU nation'..........a bitch or whipping boy to big finance. We are still in the frying pan, but have avoided jumping out into the fire, even if it required a spot of MI5 tampering with the ballot boxes.
 

Good post Mat, and I think we'd all agree with your opinion re the major financial institutions.

OK, you've decided it's a futile cause and thrown the towel in, but I will continue to argue the case for true democracy, not just an economic argument. I honestly believe the the YES campaign turned in to such a momentous movement because Scots wanted a government elected by them and they believed a government elected by them would then address our, including your, concerns (free from Westmonster and all it's lobbyist baggage).

It didn't happen, for whatever reason, but one lost battle doesn't lose a war.

Edit. The altruism, as ever, is here in abundance and I'm sure there's a fair amount of guile about.
 

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Remember what happened in Norway when the banks went under and lost people thousands though Mat.

The government never bailed them out,they sent the bankers to jail.

I honestly feel an Indy Scotland would have been more aligned to this way of thinking and social justice than the Westminster way.I think we could have been a peaceful country free of endless engagements in global 'Wars'.

I think we still can be.

But i am still very very depressed at the lack of foresight by the majority of my countrymen+women.

As the old saying goes 'it's not the despair that get's to you,i can handle the despair.It's the hope i can't stand'.