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I don't know why but Bowman being given the role doesn't fill me with any great confidence.
What about a foreign appointment?
Any names you guys would like to see?
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Whoever it is I hope he ditches this " the score is irrelevant it how we play that matters " shite.
Skill and talent are only parts of the make up of good/great players , hunger, desire and passion need to be harnessed from an early age, isn't that the common denominator for fans, players and management team....a winning team?
The Dutch teams over the years have been great on the eye but massive under achievers, total football IMHO doesn't work there has to be a bit of steel,a bit of grit and determination not to let yourself or your team mates down, but if you keep telling young lads the score doesn't really matter i think it can become a mindset
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Whoever it is I hope he ditches this " the score is irrelevant it how we play that matters " shite.
Skill and talent are only parts of the make up of good/great players , hunger, desire and passion need to be harnessed from an early age, isn't that the common denominator for fans, players and management team....a winning team?
The Dutch teams over the years have been great on the eye but massive under achievers, total football IMHO doesn't work there has to be a bit of steel,a bit of grit and determination not to let yourself or your team mates down, but if you keep telling young lads the score doesn't really matter i think it can become a mindset
I hope that there is a defined instruction and link to how the first team play. Remember hearing on the zone that youth coaches liked being able to do their own thing without being influenced by JMac and crew and had a free reign.
Surely if you want youth to step into the first team successfully it's a help to be practiced in the big teams style and tactics.
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Agree with both points you guys make to an extent.
Particulary that whole ethos of 'the score doesn't matter that much'.These guys are on the cusp of being first team Dundee Utd players,some of them already are.Of course the scoreline should matter (as well as the performance).
I don't know what his current vocation is but Chrissy Daily always struck me as being a 'winner' and have always been a bit surprised he never went into coaching.Former team mate of Mixu's etc etc.
Would be worth sounding out perhaps?
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I'm sure he's just passed his degree in Sports Science but also going through his coaching badges, agree he had the winning mentality but remember he was coached by wee Jim, Walter Smith, Archie Knox et al who certainly wouldn't tell him the score was irrelevant.
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Agree with both points you guys make.
Particulary that whole ethos of 'the score doesn't matter that much'.These guys are on the cusp of being first team Dundee Utd players,some of them already are.Of course the scoreline should matter (as well as the performance).
I don't know what his current vocation is but Chrissy Daily always struck me as being a 'winner' and have always been a bit surprised he never went into coaching.Former team mate of Mixu's etc etc.
Would be worth sounding out perhaps?
Youth players care more now about not getting injured, money and what stupid colour of boots over cleaning pro's boots, getting stuck in and winning respect against reserve teams half filled with men on the mend. Too fuckin easy.
Development league doesn't prepare for the big league.
Hair do's and premature ideas of success and wages over fighting for a place. Shite state of affairs!
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This could be totally made up but I'm sure I saw something about John potter as being the favorite to replace Campbell currently at Dunfermline and won the youth cup or league with them
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SuperMario wrote:
This could be totally made up but I'm sure I saw something about John potter as being the favorite to replace Campbell currently at Dunfermline and won the youth cup or league with them
Not made up bud. Think it was the courier that didn't make that up!?
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Surely not Potter now, since his acquaintances are away from the club. Arabnophobia is right about the Development League, it's another Scottish football failure and the format needs altered.
Regarding the winning doesn't matter, it doesn't necessarily, but the winning mentality does, and this is partly where we go wrong.
Yet there's Andy Robertson in the papers today
saying quite a bit about his support of the present system. I'd say he's an exceptional player rather than a product of the Scottish system however.
I mind Jim McLean saying in a Q+A that he wanted all his teams playing the same system, from boys right through to the first team, and all understanding how to give and receive passes. To cut a long story short on the 'passes' stuff, no pass was to go directly to another player's feet in an attacking situation, if you can visualise that. Jim actually got out his chair to demonstrate this point, and said all his teams had to understand this.
So we probably don't want the thinking of the levels below the top team being any different, we need someone on Mixu's wavelength.
At national level, we maybe need to bring back reserve sides,rather than the failing development leagues.
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Hope it's Stevie Campbell when he gets his joab back.
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I hear our neighbours across the street are 'going Dutch' in a bid to attempt to transform their ailing youth set-up.
Should we consider something similiarly radical or should we appoint someone local?
It seems to me the past year or two our Youth Academy has seen a real downturn in the quality of player coming through the ranks.
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It's going to be a huge appointment. It is just drifting aimlessly at the moment. Incidentally a boy at my work's son was in the youth set up for years, and even though he enjoyed it (he was eventually released after an injury hampered his progress) apparently Utds youth teams at the various levels were a bit like paupers compared to other clubs because it was like getting blood out of a stone getting anything out of ST eg in terms of kit, transport, training equipment etc. Arabtrust and the Fed raised a hell of a lot of the money that was spent on our youths rather than the club itself. ST often talked about how much we invested in our youth set-up but tbh those involved would probably have said that was a) bullshit and b) not as much as other similar sized clubs. Whilst no-one wants pampered laddies like they have in English academies I think it has often been overstated how much we value our youth setup. Tbh the great players we have had through it have in a lot of ways came through despite the youth setup and ST rather than because of them.
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Investment wise I don't expect any change. Expect that what Arabtrust and others contribute will continue to be the main(?) funding.
If anything is to improve it might be helped by be bringing in a well connected and respected youth coach that can broaden our geographical pull.
Someone that can tap into areas outwith Britain and Ireland where the mentality is more about being determined and getting stuck in, in any weather or financial surroundings.
Nae idea where that is, Mixu has that covered in areas surrounding Finland I'd think so mibbies a respected coach fae areas like the former Yugoslavia type climate.
Oor reputation for youth is on the verge of being undone. Something can be done to save it.
I'm nae expert but I'm sure what still has credit can be used to propell us into a new successful way of doing what seems to be broken.