I don't remember ST ever saying he was going to emigrate, although fans seemed to have that impression. 

 

PatReilly wrote:

I don't remember ST ever saying he was going to emigrate, although fans seemed to have that impression. 

 

 
If it wasn't his intention Pat why not say that a year ago then?

Tek wrote:

PatReilly wrote:

I don't remember ST ever saying he was going to emigrate, although fans seemed to have that impression. 

 

 
If it wasn't his intention Pat why not say that a year ago then?

Is there a direct quote from ST (and not Jim Spence)?
 

Tek wrote:

But as i say why not reveal all this a year ago,put all his cards on the table regards this Jets pish and save him and everyone else a helluva lot of speculation?

No point me even typing that really was there?

As none of you are Stephen Thompson.And he'll never answer why anyway.

He'll never think he's answerable to anyone and worse there will be fans who are quite complicit in that stance.

And on and on we'll all go round,bickering with one another till the day he departs.

Tell ya what i feel cleansed just writing that.

#closure
 

We can only speculate, Tek, AP and bowers. 

I think he was and possibly still is looking to be part of a group taking over the Jets, but it's taking a lot longer than he envisaged. And it might not happen, hence the statement recently.

But I can't remember a quote from him saying he was off to Oz. If he was planning a deal, however, I can sort of understand, in general business terms, why he didn't make a statement of intent a year ago.

As a United fan, I wish everything was much clearer of course, and all the bad feeling had never surfaced. but it has: and I appreciate some fans feel very let down by what has taken place.

Hopefully we come out the other end stronger for it all.

Tangy wrote:

I don't accept that arabtrust/fed have NOTHING TO Do with the current pickle..... not saying it's their fault, however they have not helped.....

Loose lips sink ships dusc

Dont understand this way of thinking against Fed/AT.  There has been a lot of good that has come out of what  they did in Febuary in my opinion.  Not least of which being the turn of events this week.  Do you think ST would have made the committment not to incentivize future managers on player sales if we were not made aware? 

Glad we learned of these commissions.  Yeah it was messy.  Yeah last 6 months has been torture but the Club will be better for going through it in my opinion.  I am ready to move on now but every chairman at every club needs to be held to some accountability.  We are lucky in my opinion that we as fans had this insight in Feb. I hope that relationship will get repaired at some point.

I am no member of either association btw. 
 

RRDH wrote:

Tangy wrote:

I don't accept that arabtrust/fed have NOTHING TO Do with the current pickle..... not saying it's their fault, however they have not helped.....

Loose lips sink ships dusc

Dont understand this way of thinking against Fed/AT.  There has been a lot of good that has come out of what  they did in Febuary in my opinion.  Not least of which being the turn of events this week.  Do you think ST would have made the committment not to incentivize future managers on player sales if we were not made aware? 

Glad we learned of these commissions.  Yeah it was messy.  Yeah last 6 months has been torture but the Club will be better for going through it in my opinion.  I am ready to move on now but every chairman at every club needs to be held to some accountability.  We are lucky in my opinion that we as fans had this insight in Feb. I hope that relationship will get repaired at some point.

I am no member of either association btw. 
 

 
Don't get me wrong - the fed and at do some Stellar work - but not covered in glory and rather than working with the owner, firstly went against him with those statements and secondly, I believe members of one of them let jackies contract details out. Not officially but those in the know hinted enough on here and mad.  That led to the keyboard warriors  moments from jackie and the silence from St.  (In my view, of course).

Whereas u guess the attempt was to get st to move on both jackies situation and to explain himself - it just P!ssed him off.

I like you, just want to see the club get on to an even keel and see results get better though....

In saying all of the above at and the fed still do a good job on the whole....but difficult to speak for an entire support I guess

bowers wrote:

Noone from the fed or at released details of the contract it was the club that released the details publicly its in black and white from the clubs statement.

Bowers, i know you are in one of those (i think fed???) - so not a go at you specifically.....

Please feel free to correct what i say below - i don't know the whole truth of the whole situation - so some clarification would be good.......

The way i say it/remember it is fed/at were having meetings with ST not long after the gruesome twosome were sold. They then worked out that 'somebody' was getting a cut from the end of year figures and at the same time as a whispering campaign went about about Jackie Mac getting a cut of transfer fees. At that point, United were forced to confirm details of his contract.

Now i may or may not be right so happy to be corrected but thats how it appeared to me.


 

That statement was released after a meeting where ST confirmed,  after we asked him that the manager and some of his coaching staff received a percentage of player sales. We had heard from a source that that was the case and in the annual accounts it said so many hundreds of thousands of pounds was paid out in commission from transfers but ST confirmed it in front of the 18 members of trust and Fed who got it.

Also in that statement we didn't actually say who got the money. The club's follow up statement gave that away.

Last edited by blackandtangerine (01/10/2015 4:02 am)

Ok that's cool - good to get that cleared up.

As follow up questions...
Was it assumed or said in the room of 18 that the conversation was private?
In your opinion, did some of the 18 blab details of the conversation on message boards/pals etc
Although the statement didn't name names, do you think it was implied who got payments?

Personally, if some of the boys at my work started blabbing to all and sundry what I got paid, I'd be pretty unhappy - nobodies business but my own..

Anyways - that's by the by - jackie is away and hopefully we have a brighter future ahead of us with a new manager.

Hopefully at and fed will look to mend some of the very broken relationships with the club and we can all push forward. Sulking and public slanging matches from any side helps no - one,  I guess

blackandtangerine wrote:

That statement was released after a meeting where ST confirmed,  after we asked him that the manager and some of his coaching staff received a percentage of player sales. We had heard from a source that that was the case and in the annual accounts it said so many hundreds of thousands of pounds was paid out in commission from transfers but ST confirmed it in front of the 18 members of trust and Fed who got it.

Also in that statement we didn't actually say who got the money. The club's follow up statement gave that away.

Wherever it says that "hundreds of thousands" were paid out in commission from transfers it isn't in the annual accounts as the only figures recorded wrt transfers are

a) payments to acquire football registrations.

b) receipts from sale of Football registrations.

The most recent set of accounts (y/e 30 June 2014) list the latter at £75,119.

It may be that large amounts were paid out but we'll need to wait until March 2016 to, hopefully, get a handle on the figure and tbh I'm doubtful we will as, if we're speaking about bonus payments to coaching staff, these wouldn't be deducted from the figure for receipts but lumped in with aggregate payroll costs.