Morphman wrote:

Ex Houston Arab wrote:

Morphman wrote:

Because the fan's have been telt for years fae ST, and the rest of Scottish fitbas hierarchy, that we now all need to be aware of the financial aspect of our clubs and how ultimately off field success ie. Balance sheets. Now control our game in Scotland.

It's this sort of talk that has stopped fans calling for signings and lowered the ambitions of fans as we are all reminded daily through the press that spending must be kept low in these "tough times".

If ST or the board wants us to support this "5 year plan" I expect they'll have to explain things a bit more, I want success on the park, and I'm not going to accept absolute mediocrity by the management and players in the name of finance, simply because I'm being told to go with it. If the board want my support they can lay out evidence of our finances, projections and how Jackie is going to play his part in this.

The silence is deafening and I personally am not going to sit and be told that it's all part of some master plan that no cunt had even heard about prior till about a fortnight ago. There'll always be peaks and troughs in football but If the club is going to ride through the good times with the fan's I expect them to put in the same effort when things are going shite.

Given this is true of Scottish fitba, never mind DUFC, it'd be absolutely madness not to consult the fan's on finances and the future. It's us who hold this league/club together, not some pissy TV deal which rewards us with a bar of Highland toffee and a glass Irn-Bru bottle we can return to the shops for 20p when we're finished with it.

We are the cash cow, and the cash cow should set the rules.

 
Does the cash cow set the rules for any other teams?
Do the man utd, Chelsea, Celtic, Aberdeen fans tell their board how to run the club?
Our fans are being unrealistic in their expectations.
The only fair grumble we have just now, and I agree with you on, is that the product on the park is poor. We'll see how that pans out. Saying the board aren't acting because they won't sack him isn't necessarily correct. They are just not acting the way fans want them to.
ST watched his old man spunk millions away by sacking managers, maybe after getting us on a stronger financial footing he doesn't want to go down that path.

Well considering Man Utd fans actually went and built another club a few years ago, FC United of Manchester, when they weren't listened to by the board that's all you need to know.

Celtic fans are currently up in arms at their boards lack of investment, one look at their Facebook page or online forums will tell you that.

Aberdeen fans were not happy until the recent turnaround under Mcinnes and their very fortunate debt clearance, only made possible by a benefactor who had nothing to do with the board.

Chelsea are a team with an oligarch in charge who spend millions every year so quite the opposite of what's happening in Scottish football.

My grumble with the board is the severe lack of communication regarding the future, we used to get almost monthly "club statements" or ST in the press telling our fans how well we're doing and calling for this and that after we sold players in multi million pound deals.

Now we have total silence, limited reinvestment in the first team squad, a "general manager" who can't organise ticketing to a fucking cup game vs Dunfermline, a chairman who is MIA, more than likely in Australia, a manager blaming keyboard warriors for his own shiteness, a fan favourite youth coach suspended under questionable circumstances, and a team playing terrible football.

In 9 months we've gone from apparently challenging Celtic to getting challenged by a Dunfermline team 2 divisions below us. In that time we've heard nothing about plans for the future and how we build on top of our, apparent, strong position of soft loans.

 
You've just listed a bunch of scenarios exactly contradicting your point. Setting up a different club or having a demonstration isn't the cash cow directing the board. Going and starting a new team is about as opposite from that as you can get.

Macho Man wrote:

huntedbyafreak wrote:

We're poor ATM but rhetoric like, "we should be back where we belong", what does that actually mean. I'm not happy with the management or the way the club is being run but where do we "belong"? We, as a club spent the majority of out first 50 years in the lower leagues. Do we belong there? We have had an extremely poor 6 months performance wise after a good few years where we have done ok. We should be better. There should be better communication from the club. However, the rhetoric from day 1 from some has been all wrong.

 
Where we belong, to me isn't a league placing or a cup win. I'm not expecting us to win anything, if we do it is a massive bonus. I just want to be proud to say I'm an Arab, but the club are making that very difficult to say and mean just now.

Where we should be is a certain level of effort, a determination, an attitude of "if we're going to lose, those bastards are going to have to earn it".

At the moment we are none of that. Not even close. We're the fat kid that gets picked last in the playground kick about. We're effectively only there to make up the numbers.

Fight, passion and the right attitude is where we belong, IMO.

That's fair enough
 

This is laughing stock type stuff this hunted.

Ex Houston Arab wrote:

Morphman wrote:

Ex Houston Arab wrote:

 
Does the cash cow set the rules for any other teams?
Do the man utd, Chelsea, Celtic, Aberdeen fans tell their board how to run the club?
Our fans are being unrealistic in their expectations.
The only fair grumble we have just now, and I agree with you on, is that the product on the park is poor. We'll see how that pans out. Saying the board aren't acting because they won't sack him isn't necessarily correct. They are just not acting the way fans want them to.
ST watched his old man spunk millions away by sacking managers, maybe after getting us on a stronger financial footing he doesn't want to go down that path.

Well considering Man Utd fans actually went and built another club a few years ago, FC United of Manchester, when they weren't listened to by the board that's all you need to know.

Celtic fans are currently up in arms at their boards lack of investment, one look at their Facebook page or online forums will tell you that.

Aberdeen fans were not happy until the recent turnaround under Mcinnes and their very fortunate debt clearance, only made possible by a benefactor who had nothing to do with the board.

Chelsea are a team with an oligarch in charge who spend millions every year so quite the opposite of what's happening in Scottish football.

My grumble with the board is the severe lack of communication regarding the future, we used to get almost monthly "club statements" or ST in the press telling our fans how well we're doing and calling for this and that after we sold players in multi million pound deals.

Now we have total silence, limited reinvestment in the first team squad, a "general manager" who can't organise ticketing to a fucking cup game vs Dunfermline, a chairman who is MIA, more than likely in Australia, a manager blaming keyboard warriors for his own shiteness, a fan favourite youth coach suspended under questionable circumstances, and a team playing terrible football.

In 9 months we've gone from apparently challenging Celtic to getting challenged by a Dunfermline team 2 divisions below us. In that time we've heard nothing about plans for the future and how we build on top of our, apparent, strong position of soft loans.

 
You've just listed a bunch of scenarios exactly contradicting your point. Setting up a different club or having a demonstration isn't the cash cow directing the board. Going and starting a new team is about as opposite from that as you can get.

You're having a laugh? Having a demonstration isn't the cash cow directing the board?

I'm going to assume you know very little about business, if my customers normally pay me for a service I can carry on making money by giving them said service.

If they decide they'd rather stand outside my business and demonstrate, or sit at home, I'm not going to make any money, I'm going to lose my job. I need to set up my business according to my customers wants, not my own.

My points are absolutely not contradictory, you compared my points to certain clubs all of which have entirely different scenarios to the other. Which instead of totally deflecting my point like you have, I actually tried to make sense of.

Some amount of strawmanning going on here.

Last edited by Morphman (26/9/2015 5:11 pm)

Morphman wrote:

Ex Houston Arab wrote:

Morphman wrote:

Well considering Man Utd fans actually went and built another club a few years ago, FC United of Manchester, when they weren't listened to by the board that's all you need to know.

Celtic fans are currently up in arms at their boards lack of investment, one look at their Facebook page or online forums will tell you that.

Aberdeen fans were not happy until the recent turnaround under Mcinnes and their very fortunate debt clearance, only made possible by a benefactor who had nothing to do with the board.

Chelsea are a team with an oligarch in charge who spend millions every year so quite the opposite of what's happening in Scottish football.

My grumble with the board is the severe lack of communication regarding the future, we used to get almost monthly "club statements" or ST in the press telling our fans how well we're doing and calling for this and that after we sold players in multi million pound deals.

Now we have total silence, limited reinvestment in the first team squad, a "general manager" who can't organise ticketing to a fucking cup game vs Dunfermline, a chairman who is MIA, more than likely in Australia, a manager blaming keyboard warriors for his own shiteness, a fan favourite youth coach suspended under questionable circumstances, and a team playing terrible football.

In 9 months we've gone from apparently challenging Celtic to getting challenged by a Dunfermline team 2 divisions below us. In that time we've heard nothing about plans for the future and how we build on top of our, apparent, strong position of soft loans.

 
You've just listed a bunch of scenarios exactly contradicting your point. Setting up a different club or having a demonstration isn't the cash cow directing the board. Going and starting a new team is about as opposite from that as you can get.

You're having a laugh? Having a demonstration isn't the cash cow directing the board?

I'm going to assume you know very little about business, if my customers normally pay me for a service I can carry on making money by giving them said service.

If they decide they'd rather stand outside my business and demonstrate, or sit at home, I'm not going to make any money, I'm going to lose my job. I need to set up my business according to my customers wants, not my own.

My points are absolutely not contradictory, you compared my points to certain clubs all of which have entirely different scenarios to the other. Which instead of totally deflecting my point like you have, I actually tried to make sense of.

Some amount of strawmanning going on here.

 
You know what, I've never been a fan of demonstrations. But I thonk it's time if he's still in a job come monday.

Out of interest Chainmail were you going to demonstrate outside Starbucks HQ? 

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