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Is it just me that feels that the board and management treat us fans as an inconvenience to their 'game plan'?
I feel like they think I've done my bit and bought my season ticket and now that they have my money they don't give a shite about serving up a decent product on the park.
At the moment I feel like what is fans are being treated to is the football equivalent of a Lindley peh.
Since Deek Robertson left the communication between the club and the fans was left to ST and now our very own rent a quote chairman is nowhere to be seen. If things don't pick up sharpish, and I'm not just talking about from a football point of view, the club can do one if they think I'm going to part with my hard earned cash to contribute to paying the wages of our impotent board, our clueless management team and a six figure wage for a chairman who appears to want to be paid by United whilst working for another club on the other side of the world.
Finger out United. Sort this shambles out and let's make our team a team to be proud of and a team for other clubs to fear again.
Sorry if this is going over old ground, but the Macho Man ain't happy and might just have to invite ST into the squared circle for a winner takes all bout. My Intercontinental championship belt for his families stake in MY club. I feel a big elbow coming on. Ooooooohhhhhhh yeeeeeeaaaaaaahhh!!
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Many in the same boat macho ken that.
Ehm just back last night after being away for 3 weeks working.. see usually when ehm away in checking up on utd before work dinner time and at night see that trip awwy i couldnt be fucked ken that. Totally sick of the shit thats going on at our club. These bastard in our club dont give a fuck its all about the cash. Theres many a thing wrong from the chairman down.
Chairman doesnt give a fuck
Management team doesnt give a fuck
Stevie campbell situation how many weeks has that been now?
Ticketing for watford
Ticketing for tuesday
Bullshit statements from comedy dave (southern)
Bullshit from wanknamara
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ST is cashing in on our assets recouping his dad's money before he fucks off, that is the crux of the matter.
He doesn't give two fucks about our club or the loyal fans and his silence is proof.
Fuck off now you arrogant money grabbing cunt
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Macho Man wrote:
Is it just me that feels that the board and management treat us fans as an inconvenience to their 'game plan'?
I feel like they think I've done my bit and bought my season ticket and now that they have my money they don't give a shite about serving up a decent product on the park.
At the moment I feel like what is fans are being treated to is the football equivalent of a Lindley peh.
Since Deek Robertson left the communication between the club and the fans was left to ST and now our very own rent a quote chairman is nowhere to be seen. If things don't pick up sharpish, and I'm not just talking about from a football point of view, the club can do one if they think I'm going to part with my hard earned cash to contribute to paying the wages of our impotent board, our clueless management team and a six figure wage for a chairman who appears to want to be paid by United whilst working for another club on the other side of the world.
Finger out United. Sort this shambles out and let's make our team a team to be proud of and a team for other clubs to fear again.
Sorry if this is going over old ground, but the Macho Man ain't happy and might just have to invite ST into the squared circle for a winner takes all bout. My Intercontinental championship belt for his families stake in MY club. I feel a big elbow coming on. Ooooooohhhhhhh yeeeeeeaaaaaaahhh!!
Great post Randy.
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bowers wrote:
Many in the same boat macho ken that.
Ehm just back last night after being away for 3 weeks working.. see usually when ehm away in checking up on utd before work dinner time and at night see that trip awwy i couldnt be fucked ken that. Totally sick of the shit thats going on at our club. These bastard in our club dont give a fuck its all about the cash. Theres many a thing wrong from the chairman down.
Chairman doesnt give a fuck
Management team doesnt give a fuck
Stevie campbell situation how many weeks has that been now?
Ticketing for watford
Ticketing for tuesday
Bullshit statements from comedy dave (southern)
Bullshit from wanknamara
Bowers, I get you.
I bought my ticket in May because I didn't want to risk losing my seat beside my pals. Despite forking out 300 brick I've been to one game this season. I've got nothing on tomorrow but I'm actually considering going shopping with Miss Elizabeth instead of heading 20 miles along the road to watch MY club. Sickening the way things are going.
I'm also reading on Facebook that a lot of diehards are swerving match day now too.
The manner in which the board & management are acting just now is more like a soap opera if any of the rumours that I've heard are to be believed. Eastenders doesn't need a script writer just now, it just needs to watch what's going on at Tannadice.
I want MY team back.
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I don't have any pals MM you're so lucky! Good to see you back.....presume your were away on a lucrative tour? Could you not afford to buy United with the loose cheenge doon the side oh yer settee?
With you 100% in wanting our Football Club back! We have become the Blackpool FC of the East.
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Great summary by a few of you there and pretty much sums up how I feel. Never been so disillusioned. Just fed up now and at a loss how there are still united supporters apathetic and even excusing what's been going on.
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I dont feel exactly the same ad you Macho, but 'ken where you're coming fae'. What haunted me on Tuesday night, was watching the highlights on the BBC, and seeing the number of empty seats in the GF.
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While the board aren't doing much in the way of communication, why would you care?
Being a fan is about supporting the team on the park, not about getting financial updates and consulted on the 5 year plan.
Our fans have been shocking at the games for months, yet we act like we are the best fans in the world.
I'm no fan of McNamara, but I'm getting sick of the constant complaining from fans who have been through a lot of good times recently. First sign of trouble and it's sack the board, we are a shambles etc.
When the George fox stand was built, I had to ask who George fox was, and I'd been a season ticket holder for over 10 years by that point. Why do people care so much about what the board has to say. The cost of a season ticket buys you entrance to the ground - no more, no less.
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Ex Houston Arab wrote:
While the board aren't doing much in the way of communication, why would you care?
Being a fan is about supporting the team on the park, not about getting financial updates and consulted on the 5 year plan
Because the fan's have been telt for years fae ST, and the rest of Scottish fitbas hierarchy, that we now all need to be aware of the financial aspect of our clubs and how ultimately off field success ie. Balance sheets. Now control our game in Scotland.
It's this sort of talk that has stopped fans calling for signings and lowered the ambitions of fans as we are all reminded daily through the press that spending must be kept low in these "tough times".
If ST or the board wants us to support this "5 year plan" I expect they'll have to explain things a bit more, I want success on the park, and I'm not going to accept absolute mediocrity by the management and players in the name of finance, simply because I'm being told to go with it. If the board want my support they can lay out evidence of our finances, projections and how Jackie is going to play his part in this.
The silence is deafening and I personally am not going to sit and be told that it's all part of some master plan that no cunt had even heard about prior till about a fortnight ago. There'll always be peaks and troughs in football but If the club is going to ride through the good times with the fan's I expect them to put in the same effort when things are going shite.
Given this is true of Scottish fitba, never mind DUFC, it'd be absolutely madness not to consult the fan's on finances and the future. It's us who hold this league/club together, not some pissy TV deal which rewards us with a bar of Highland toffee and a glass Irn-Bru bottle we can return to the shops for 20p when we're finished with it.
We are the cash cow, and the cash cow should set the rules.
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What the fans really need to do is withhold purchasing of season tickets to show how much the club needs us and to show that club needs us, that'll never happen though as the club has some fans paying a year in advance on season tickets & some fans just wouldn't do that to the club.
People said at the time the signing of Muirhead was to get the fans of the boards back, I believe sending him out on loan is proof that that was infact the case.
Dundee United should not be throwing around £150k + on potential just to put them out on loan, especially when we are left with Darko Budal who quite frankly looks well off the pace and not suited to football in Scotland.
This thread has the possibility to turn into just about every thread on every United forum since February 1st.
STEPHEN THOMPSON & the STOOGIES OUT!!!
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Against my better judgement I renewed my season ticket in the summer even though I was extremely pissed off with JM and ST for pulling the rug out from under us and ruining what was looking like a great season upto that point.
Even when things were going well I got very frustrated at the basic tactical errors being made by the manager and the constant flow of poor goals conceded by our defence, poor tactics ie 4231 and some baffling substitutions.
Since we have lost the match winning 3 JM has looked like a fish out of water, the defending has not improved and we are 2nd bottom and have not played well over 90 minutes this season.
Jackie's time is up
On to Thompson
He is a liar and is clearly lining his pocket before he exit to oz, the silence from him is hurting the club and even if he leaves in the summer some fans may not return.
Things will have to change dramatically over he season for me to get a season ticket for next season and I doubt things will change as his Jets dream is not happening anytime soon it would appear.
The arrogance of our chairman is staggering
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Morphman wrote:
Ex Houston Arab wrote:
While the board aren't doing much in the way of communication, why would you care?
Being a fan is about supporting the team on the park, not about getting financial updates and consulted on the 5 year planBecause the fan's have been telt for years fae ST, and the rest of Scottish fitbas hierarchy, that we now all need to be aware of the financial aspect of our clubs and how ultimately off field success ie. Balance sheets. Now control our game in Scotland.
It's this sort of talk that has stopped fans calling for signings and lowered the ambitions of fans as we are all reminded daily through the press that spending must be kept low in these "tough times".
If ST or the board wants us to support this "5 year plan" I expect they'll have to explain things a bit more, I want success on the park, and I'm not going to accept absolute mediocrity by the management and players in the name of finance, simply because I'm being told to go with it. If the board want my support they can lay out evidence of our finances, projections and how Jackie is going to play his part in this.
The silence is deafening and I personally am not going to sit and be told that it's all part of some master plan that no cunt had even heard about prior till about a fortnight ago. There'll always be peaks and troughs in football but If the club is going to ride through the good times with the fan's I expect them to put in the same effort when things are going shite.
Given this is true of Scottish fitba, never mind DUFC, it'd be absolutely madness not to consult the fan's on finances and the future. It's us who hold this league/club together, not some pissy TV deal which rewards us with a bar of Highland toffee and a glass Irn-Bru bottle we can return to the shops for 20p when we're finished with it.
We are the cash cow, and the cash cow should set the rules.
Does the cash cow set the rules for any other teams?
Do the man utd, Chelsea, Celtic, Aberdeen fans tell their board how to run the club?
Our fans are being unrealistic in their expectations.
The only fair grumble we have just now, and I agree with you on, is that the product on the park is poor. We'll see how that pans out. Saying the board aren't acting because they won't sack him isn't necessarily correct. They are just not acting the way fans want them to.
ST watched his old man spunk millions away by sacking managers, maybe after getting us on a stronger financial footing he doesn't want to go down that path.
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Ex Houston Arab wrote:
Morphman wrote:
Ex Houston Arab wrote:
While the board aren't doing much in the way of communication, why would you care?
Being a fan is about supporting the team on the park, not about getting financial updates and consulted on the 5 year planBecause the fan's have been telt for years fae ST, and the rest of Scottish fitbas hierarchy, that we now all need to be aware of the financial aspect of our clubs and how ultimately off field success ie. Balance sheets. Now control our game in Scotland.
It's this sort of talk that has stopped fans calling for signings and lowered the ambitions of fans as we are all reminded daily through the press that spending must be kept low in these "tough times".
If ST or the board wants us to support this "5 year plan" I expect they'll have to explain things a bit more, I want success on the park, and I'm not going to accept absolute mediocrity by the management and players in the name of finance, simply because I'm being told to go with it. If the board want my support they can lay out evidence of our finances, projections and how Jackie is going to play his part in this.
The silence is deafening and I personally am not going to sit and be told that it's all part of some master plan that no cunt had even heard about prior till about a fortnight ago. There'll always be peaks and troughs in football but If the club is going to ride through the good times with the fan's I expect them to put in the same effort when things are going shite.
Given this is true of Scottish fitba, never mind DUFC, it'd be absolutely madness not to consult the fan's on finances and the future. It's us who hold this league/club together, not some pissy TV deal which rewards us with a bar of Highland toffee and a glass Irn-Bru bottle we can return to the shops for 20p when we're finished with it.
We are the cash cow, and the cash cow should set the rules.
Does the cash cow set the rules for any other teams?
Do the man utd, Chelsea, Celtic, Aberdeen fans tell their board how to run the club?
Our fans are being unrealistic in their expectations.
The only fair grumble we have just now, and I agree with you on, is that the product on the park is poor. We'll see how that pans out. Saying the board aren't acting because they won't sack him isn't necessarily correct. They are just not acting the way fans want them to.
ST watched his old man spunk millions away by sacking managers, maybe after getting us on a stronger financial footing he doesn't want to go down that path.
Well considering Man Utd fans actually went and built another club a few years ago, FC United of Manchester, when they weren't listened to by the board that's all you need to know.
Celtic fans are currently up in arms at their boards lack of investment, one look at their Facebook page or online forums will tell you that.
Aberdeen fans were not happy until the recent turnaround under Mcinnes and their very fortunate debt clearance, only made possible by a benefactor who had nothing to do with the board.
Chelsea are a team with an oligarch in charge who spend millions every year so quite the opposite of what's happening in Scottish football.
My grumble with the board is the severe lack of communication regarding the future, we used to get almost monthly "club statements" or ST in the press telling our fans how well we're doing and calling for this and that after we sold players in multi million pound deals.
Now we have total silence, limited reinvestment in the first team squad, a "general manager" who can't organise ticketing to a fucking cup game vs Dunfermline, a chairman who is MIA, more than likely in Australia, a manager blaming keyboard warriors for his own shiteness, a fan favourite youth coach suspended under questionable circumstances, and a team playing terrible football.
In 9 months we've gone from apparently challenging Celtic to getting challenged by a Dunfermline team 2 divisions below us. In that time we've heard nothing about plans for the future and how we build on top of our, apparent, strong position of soft loans.
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Well said Morphy
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Our local dissatisfaction with our board is now well documented, on fans’ forums, and I’d have to disagree with Ex-Houston Arab to some extent regarding the club’s lack of communication with fans, although see his point regarding the board not sacking the manager. That is not necessarily a sign of the fans being an inconvenience.
However, in this age, no business should be seen to be treating their customers with contempt, and that is how it appears with our board to an increasing number of supporters. So here I disagree with E-H A, as we aren’t ‘telling the board’ how to run the business, we are asking for clarity pertaining to the immediate future of the club, and what direction we will be taking.
My concern for United, and Scottish football as a whole, comes from the way our board and the masters of the game at the SFA continue to ignore the shitfest down Ibrox way. Without going into detail presently, on an ongoing basis we have been conned by alleged criminal behaviour over a number of years in order to keep one side in the focus of Scottish football.
This has cost the club money, yet our board has been party to this and continues to support corruption.
How has it cost the club money? As an example, the SFA awarded a licence to ex-Rangers to play in Europe in 2011, against their own and UEFA’s rule book (as ex-Rangers had an outstanding tax bill unpaid, this being undisputed). The knock on for United: we had to enter the Europa League at an earlier stage, in the second rather than the third qualifying round, when we would have commenced the spl and potentially been better prepared against easier opposition. That is only an example from one season.
However, all Scottish football, at the top at least, appears to be in awe of any entity from Govan, and I feel that Stephen Thompson has had his fill of Scottish football, and wants as far away as possible. Nevertheless, he has misjudged the mood of his present customers, and this may have a dire effect on the next regime which takes control at Tannadice.
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Some fucking serious accusations here.
Bit much IMO
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And I'm not speaking about Pats post
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Ex Houston Arab wrote:
While the board aren't doing much in the way of communication, why would you care?
Being a fan is about supporting the team on the park, not about getting financial updates and consulted on the 5 year plan.
Our fans have been shocking at the games for months, yet we act like we are the best fans in the world.
I'm no fan of McNamara, but I'm getting sick of the constant complaining from fans who have been through a lot of good times recently. First sign of trouble and it's sack the board, we are a shambles etc.
When the George fox stand was built, I had to ask who George fox was, and I'd been a season ticket holder for over 10 years by that point. Why do people care so much about what the board has to say. The cost of a season ticket buys you entrance to the ground - no more, no less.
Not sure if you're being serious.
Why I'm bothered is that I've forked out £300 for a season ticket to watch MY team play football. At the moment they are not doing that at all well. Some might argue that we are not even getting to watch anything that resembles football. They seem to be going through the motions and if I'm being honest they entire club looks like it doesn't give a fuck.
I'm not asking for financial updates, I'm looking for the club to clarify what the hell they are doing to address the slump that we are going through. I'm looking for the club to assure me that I haven't spent £300 for the most half arsed football I've seen in years. I'm looking for the club to confirm that they are trying to rectify the whole sorry situation.
If you're happy to watch MY team merely turn up and roll over then that's your prerogative, but I want value for money, I want a team to be proud of, I want MY team to be back where they belong.
At the moment it looks like we have a team who would be happy to get one of those participation medals that get handed out to school kids for coming in last at a fucking egg and spoon race.
I don't want mediocrity, I want effort, desire and passion, something that appears to be lacking from the Chairman right the way down through the club. Where has the passion gone that ST had for the club 3 years ago when the The Rangers situation was happening? He defended the club to the hilt and wouldn't hear a bad word said about Dundee United. To me, I it feels like he can't wait to get out and that he couldn't care about the club at all, as long as he gets his wage.
For the record, where in my post did I say sack the board? Also for the record, the club IS a fucking shambles. It's also not the first sign of trouble. It's been in our face since February, but very little action has taken place to remedy it - what has been done appears half arsed and panicky to me, ie not signing players that would fit into the system the manager wants to play, forking out £150k of cash that we don't really have spare to sign a player who is punted out on loan 6 months later.... I could go on and on and on............ and on.
If the club want my money next season (and I know there are a lot of people thinking the same as me) they better sort their act out pronto or things will go into freefall.
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We're poor ATM but rhetoric like, "we should be back where we belong", what does that actually mean. I'm not happy with the management or the way the club is being run but where do we "belong"? We, as a club spent the majority of out first 50 years in the lower leagues. Do we belong there? We have had an extremely poor 6 months performance wise after a good few years where we have done ok. We should be better. There should be better communication from the club. However, the rhetoric from day 1 from some has been all wrong.
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Simple facts - united have a top budget and to be performing averagely, we should be top 4.anything above that would be over achieving and anything below is under achieving.
ST, in my eyes, has done some good and some bad here. Colin n Justin was an absolute disaster - nobody can deny that...However, he HAS made funds available to jackie in order to sign players - there's not many in Scottish football paying fees for players. Nadir was a fantastic bit of business by ST.
However, through the slump of last season, I expected something from the club - don't worry, it's going to get better - but in all reality, nothing was going to appease us other than ST admitting he made a mistake.
I was and am still really annoyed by jackies press bits though. He keeps banging on about the keyboard warriors - no joy - keyboard warriors are paying your wages, buddy. Although, I've noticed a distinct change in mcnamara bullish attitude over the last week - so maybe somebody has had a word in his she'll like.
What I'd like to see is the club's PR team actually doing its job. Here's a full proof plan for them.
Tell the manager to shut his mouth
Get ST to address all the fans (not just at or the fed, who he clearly has a beef with) addressing where we are as a club, what the plan is and how his side project (haha - like it's a side) is going to work alongside united. Tell us how things are going to get better - even if it's just a case of saying you have faith in jm and a talented group of players.
Start winning (more down to jm)
Put positive stories out there and get a feeling of positivity around the club
Btw am I right in thinking soapy snr hasn't signed up yet....so presumably away in Jan? He's a lad who needs a strong manager to get him to do the bread n butter part of defending well and to cut out the fancy stuff that can land him in trouble
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P's reckon jackie has 2 matches before being punted - 4 points or out, I'd reckon
There's been a lot of criticism of the board and some of it has been way OTT.
Having said that ST has largely been the author of his own misfortune - the player sales in February coupled with the Jets stuff was always going to create a shitstorm. He then compounds things by going in the huff (or at least appearing to) when he finds he's not feeling the love from the fans anymore.
I'm no wiser than anyone as to whether or not he gives a fuck about the club anymore but he's certainly managed to give the impression that he's got better things to do with his time.
Maybe it's just poor communication but in that case they need to get it sorted.
Fans do deserve a bit more information and input into their clubs....football clubs are not businesses in the normal sense of the word (or most would have been shut down as unprofitable years ago).
It's fans that keep clubs open and only fans.....time we got treated with a bit of respect from the top down.
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huntedbyafreak wrote:
We're poor ATM but rhetoric like, "we should be back where we belong", what does that actually mean. I'm not happy with the management or the way the club is being run but where do we "belong"? We, as a club spent the majority of out first 50 years in the lower leagues. Do we belong there? We have had an extremely poor 6 months performance wise after a good few years where we have done ok. We should be better. There should be better communication from the club. However, the rhetoric from day 1 from some has been all wrong.
Where we belong, to me isn't a league placing or a cup win. I'm not expecting us to win anything, if we do it is a massive bonus. I just want to be proud to say I'm an Arab, but the club are making that very difficult to say and mean just now.
Where we should be is a certain level of effort, a determination, an attitude of "if we're going to lose, those bastards are going to have to earn it".
At the moment we are none of that. Not even close. We're the fat kid that gets picked last in the playground kick about. We're effectively only there to make up the numbers.
Fight, passion and the right attitude is where we belong, IMO.
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scarpia wrote:
There's been a lot of criticism of the board and some of it has been way OTT.
Having said that ST has largely been the author of his own misfortune - the player sales in February coupled with the Jets stuff was always going to create a shitstorm. He then compounds things by going in the huff (or at least appearing to) when he finds he's not feeling the love from the fans anymore.
I'm no wiser than anyone as to whether or not he gives a fuck about the club anymore but he's certainly managed to give the impression that he's got better things to do with his time.
Maybe it's just poor communication but in that case they need to get it sorted.
Fans do deserve a bit more information and input into their clubs....football clubs are not businesses in the normal sense of the word (or most would have been shut down as unprofitable years ago).
It's fans that keep clubs open and only fans.....time we got treated with a bit of respect from the top down.
Agree with this.