The fact that its not a joint statement with the Trust probably explains why 3 people resigned from the Trust board at the weekend, including the representative from the Fed.  I'm guessing that the Trust didn't support it.  I personally think its ok but the fact is employment law dictates that the details are not made public until the proper proceedures have been followed.  I'd have said a damn site more in the last paragraph thats for sure.

blackandtangerine wrote:

lifesanocean wrote:

The fact that its not a joint statement with the Trust probably explains why 3 people resigned from the Trust board at the weekend, including the representative from the Fed.  I'm guessing that the Trust didn't support it.  I personally think its ok but the fact is employment law dictates that the details are not made public until the proper proceedures have been followed.  I'd have said a damn site more in the last paragraph thats for sure.

That wasn't the reason they resigned.
 

Why did they then?
 

Tangerine_Ultra wrote:

The Fed have just released a statement, here's a link for those not on Facebook:

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/dundee/dundee-united-supporters-clubs-hit-out-at-suspension-of-youth-director-1.895158

A fair, well worded statement I think. Good of the fed to voice, what is in my opinion, the feelings of the majority of our supporters.

Statement itself is ok.

I do question the timing and the purpose of it though?

From the statement, it appears folk at the Fed are confident that SC and JMac have definitely had a fall out (quote: "the reported rift between Stevie and the first team manager"). Given no other suggested reason for the suspension is contained in the statement, it makes me wonder if the broken relationship is the sole driving factor behind Stevie Campbell’s removal.
 

I'd rather wait till the conclusion of the disciplinary investigation as well if i'm honest.And i'm a big fan of Stevie Campbell.

If the response isn't quick however and Utd try and pull the wool over the supporters eyes with a vague statement regards his mooted dismissal then would be the time to demand answers.

For the moment i think the support should keep their 'powder dry' so to speak and let's await Utd's long awaited response to this latest fiasco.

blackandtangerine wrote:

TheShed wrote:

blackandtangerine wrote:

That wasn't the reason they resigned. 
 

 
We're the trust asked if they wanted in on this statement at all?

No.
 

 
Getting the feeling from that that there's a breakdown in the relationship to some extent between the 2 bodies, given the previous joint statements. 

Looks like nobody can agree on anything just now.

Copy of Press Statement to appear in tonight's Tully...It’s perhaps the biggest understatement in Scottish football right now to say these are troubled times at Dundee United.Despite the Tangerines being a club that’s held up as a model for others to follow, all is not well at Tannadice.The relationship between the club board and the Federation of Dundee United Supporters Clubs, who represent a number of rank and file Arabs, is to say the least strained.But there are also frustrations with how the team has been performing and just five wins from 23 competitive games dating back to early February has left some supporters at the end of their tether.The second-half of Saturday’s crushing 4-0 defeat at Hamilton saw chants from the away end for manager Jackie McNamara to go though it should be noted this is not want the Federation are pushing for.The chants could be portrayed as a knee jerk reaction to an afternoon to forget, however fans group The Federation DUSC have serious concerns about the direction in which the club as a whole is heading believes it would be foolish to think that way.The Federation believes the time for answers from the Club are long overdue.“In our opinion It’s not a knee jerk reaction, definitely not. We wish you had spoken to us before then (Saturday), after a good result, because we would be saying the same things. The concerns have been there for years now.“From an on-field Football perspective the thing about Saturday was it was no surprise. With such a young and inexperienced team you know there are going to be off days. You never know when they are coming exactly but watching such a young team you knew it was possible.
If we win one or two we could be buzzing again but lose a couple with such a young squad there could be difficult times lying ahead , however it is Jackie’s team now and he still reportedly has a good playing budget in comparison to the rest of the League and must take a degree of responsibility despite losing key players "“Unfortunately , off-field, we have reached a situation where there are communication problems between parties who should be pulling together and an increasing split within the fans. This has to be addressed immediately"It’s clear they take no pleasure in saying so and stress there are other fans who’d argue the club is heading in the right direction.They respect their right to those views however the Federations concerns are over much more than just results and performances on the park.As a statement late yesterday expressing concern over the suspension of youth director Stevie Campbell, it’s clear the Federation hierarchy are worried at the way the Club are being run and the current strained relationship with the club.“There’s the Stevie Campbell situation, results on the park and other issues that’s happened at the club in the last year or so, there’s a hell of a lot of frustrated United Fans out there looking for transparent information.“We (the Federation) have been pro-active with the club in trying to get information but we have in writing that they are refusing to answer any questions in terms of finance.“The majority of the questions we want to ask about relate to finance and the running of the football club. Stephen Thompson has stated that will be answered at the a.g.m but that could be as far away as June 2016.”The one thing they don’t want is a run of bad results, even if that would strengthen the argument of those seeking changeAs United fans they will never turn up for a game wanting anything other than a win for their team
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“You can’t help wanting your team to win. We as a group are all long term season ticket holders who travel home and away each week and always want the team to win.But we have to be honest if we think things are not right at our club.”

Latest statement is pretty full of nothing imo.

It's maybe reactionary on the back of the daily record article (?) Saying that fans should stfu...

Only interesting thing in there is them saying ST won't answer financial questions - which to me points to there actually being a rift between St and fans (rather than a perceived rift). He's maybe going with once bitten, twice shy.

With regards to the stevie campbell situation,  the fed should have left it alone at this point. The club have a duty of care to the children who are in their care, just the same as any school or youth club and have to investigate the issues properly. After all- if your kid came home from and said he had been bullied/hit/whatever the latest rumour is, you would want it fully investigated and not given the response of 'it canna be true - stevie s  a good lad

In fact,  on a much bigger scale, that is how pigs like jimmy Saville got away with filth for years.

In saying all that, on  a personal level, I fully support sc and don't think he would be anything other than great to the young lads - but the club has to react appropriately

Creme Tangerine wrote:

I agree with Tangy. The fed should have waited until after the outcome of an investigation to release a statement. Whilst it is clear we all have our concerns, the timing and wording was completley wrong. Having a public dig at the chairman for being in Oz, coupled with the fed previously disclosing the details of the JM contract, I am not suprised the club are backing off. Whilst the intentions of the statements are good and we have to trust that members of the Fed have no other agenda, I am not sure if these statements have been benifical.

To paraphrase the courier interview from above, I'd like to know in specific detail what are the concerns that the fed have had for years?

 just quickly but fed or trust never leaked managers contract.

I totally back the Fed 100% on this. We can't just bury our heads in the sand like the majority of our support is doing and think everything is fine when it really isn't.

Creme Tangerine wrote:

sorry you are correct, the fed or trust never directly leaked contract details but it was certainly hinted at which led to press speculation forcing a statement from the club. The jist is that this statement led to a series of events unfolding which has led to a major breakdown in trust and communication between the board and the fan's reps. Work needs done on both sides to mend this and I don't think cheap digs about the chairman's whereabout's will help in mending the rift

"Firstly, we were shocked to find out that a huge amount of ‘commission’ has been paid to unnamed parties from the sale of 4 players – Gauld, Robertson, Armstrong and Mackay-Steven. We believe this figure to be in excess of £500k. This does not include payments to players, agents or other clubs. When all of these various payments are totalled, over 25% of the £6.3m in fees received has not been kept in the club."

The Chairman told us the managers contract.  Then after our statement David Southern confirmed it in clubs follow up statement.  Old news.