Tekel Towers » Who else are we trying to move on?

Hamiltonarab · 26/6/2015 3:11 pm

What quite a few have been saying and tbh, we have all been saying this pretty much all of last season. The formation has to change. The 4231 has its benifits at times, but we just cannot keep playing this on a regular basis. We do need to swap and change about, especially gievn the type of players we might have at our disposal for any given game. Jackie can't keep just making it fit. That and most teams have it well sussed and considering we play it near on every game there is no surprises for them at all. St. Johnstone and Tommy Wright have our card marked everytime being a very good example.

SGMilne · 26/6/2015 3:46 pm

The formation did change for the last game of the season, and it suited the players we have a lot more.

Playing with a formation of....

GK: ?

DL: Dixon
DC: Morris
DC: Durnan
DR: McGowan

ML: Erskine
MC: Rankin
MC: Souttar
MR: Spittall

ST: Ciftci
ST: Muirhead

Subs

GK
Dillon
Paton
Anier
Connolly
Dow
Telfer

...then I think we have a decent lineup.

Of course I'd rather we signed maybe one or two others, but overall that's not a side to panic about.

Affshore · 26/6/2015 4:51 pm

I'm worrying playing any of our 'reserve' keepers, I'm worried about lack of creativity and pace in midfield and worried about what's gonna happen to ciftci

Tangerine_Ultra · 29/6/2015 11:34 am

Affshore wrote:
Tangerine_Ultra wrote:
Affshore wrote:
I've got the serious fear looking at people teams on here and mad
Totally agree mate.

Out of curiosity bud what would be your starting 11?
Good question mate...

New keeper

McGowan, Morris, New experienced CB, Dixon

Souttar Paton

New Winger, New playmaker, Erskine

New proven striker

Nae room for guys like Spittal, Rankin, Dow, in starting midfield line up. Would like to see more of Telfer and connolly needs to bulk up for the scottish game, the wee man comparison to iniesta and messi is fair enough but they dont play ICT and St J every other week do they !!!

Left oot ciftci cos he'll either be sold, in jail or banned for a while. Muirhead might do a job but alot to ask of a young lad being a sole striker with no real service unless we sign people. Bilate will be injured and Anier, SHUDDER !!!!

This is based is Jackies stubborn formation, which never, ever changes....

Like I say, im freaking fae brechin about this coming season, hope im wrong, really really hope im wrong...

Totally agree with your reasons/choices like. Only thing I would swap is Erskine for Connolly. If Erskine wasn't breathing oot his erse after an hour then he'd be half decent.

Affshore · 29/6/2015 11:47 am

Agree regarding fitness mate, a good player whos direct and takes on opposition players, i do like him but his fitness is questionable. I'd still have him over wee Connolly though

Tangerine_Ultra · 29/6/2015 11:50 am

If Connolly bulks up this season then he'd be outstanding, only thing is when the games get physical he's pushed off the ball to easy.

SGMilne · 29/6/2015 12:01 pm

People seem to largely ignore the massive faults in Connolly's game. Yes, he's a good dribbler and he's direct, but his decision making and passing are both awful. And like you say, he's easily pushed off the ball.

Erskine is a better player but has poor stamina.

Tangerine_Ultra · 29/6/2015 12:05 pm

SGMilne wrote:
People seem to largely ignore the massive faults in Connolly's game. Yes, he's a good dribbler and he's direct, but his decision making and passing are both awful. And like you say, he's easily pushed off the ball.

Erskine is a better player but has poor stamina.

Agree wi yi there like, the end product isn't there yet but I still think he'll become outstanding given a good run of games.

SGMilne · 29/6/2015 12:11 pm

Tangerine_Ultra wrote:
SGMilne wrote:
People seem to largely ignore the massive faults in Connolly's game. Yes, he's a good dribbler and he's direct, but his decision making and passing are both awful. And like you say, he's easily pushed off the ball.

Erskine is a better player but has poor stamina.
Agree wi yi there like, the end product isn't there yet but I still think he'll become outstanding given a good run of games.

I certainly think he'll improve, but I'd be surprised if he goes much further than United.

Game time will help him, but whether that should be at the expense of guys who are currently better than him is the question.

Affshore · 29/6/2015 1:02 pm

SGMilne wrote:
People seem to largely ignore the massive faults in Connolly's game. Yes, he's a good dribbler and he's direct, but his decision making and passing are both awful. And like you say, he's easily pushed off the ball.

Erskine is a better player but has poor stamina.

LIKE

Tek · 29/6/2015 1:07 pm

SG in slating Connolly shocker

The wee man's played 1 full season in our first team.

How many did Dow play before he looked even remotely ready for this level?Was it 3 or 4?

Once Connolly fills out a bit and up's his cardio we'll see just what a good player he is IMO.

Beharder · 29/6/2015 2:07 pm

Good to see some optimism from you TEK. There are a lot of very talented youngsters at the club all ready to be the next great hope.

Tek · 29/6/2015 2:35 pm

I'm always optimistic about our young players I think you'll find Beharder.

I also never slate them.

SGMilne · 29/6/2015 5:02 pm

Tek wrote:
SG in slating Connolly shocker

The wee man's played 1 full season in our first team.

How many did Dow play before he looked even remotely ready for this level?Was it 3 or 4?

Once Connolly fills out a bit and up's his cardio we'll see just what a good player he is IMO.

But that's exactly the point Tek. Dow took years to actually prove valuable at our level in the same way as David Goodwillie and Johnny Russell did.

In all cases they took a few seasons and loan spells at lower division clubs before they were ready.

We're spoilt as a fanbase because we had two absolutely exceptional youngsters play their first full seasons and then move on to bigger things in Gauld and A-Rob.

Aidan Connolly has potential, but he's not there yet and it's almost unfair of fans to expect that he start games when he's clearly not ready.

I'd personally like us to loan him to Raith.

Waffelz · 29/6/2015 5:59 pm

SGMilne wrote:
The formation did change for the last game of the season, and it suited the players we have a lot more.

Playing with a formation of....

GK: ?

DL: Dixon
DC: Morris
DC: Durnan
DR: McGowan

ML: Erskine
MC: Rankin
MC: Souttar
MR: Spittall

ST: Ciftci
ST: Muirhead

Subs

GK
Dillon
Paton
Anier
Connolly
Dow
Telfer

...then I think we have a decent lineup.

Of course I'd rather we signed maybe one or two others, but overall that's not a side to panic about.

If we go into next season with Rankin and Erskine as first choice. Oh god

Tek · 29/6/2015 6:19 pm

SGMilne wrote:
Tek wrote:
SG in slating Connolly shocker

The wee man's played 1 full season in our first team.

How many did Dow play before he looked even remotely ready for this level?Was it 3 or 4?

Once Connolly fills out a bit and up's his cardio we'll see just what a good player he is IMO.
But that's exactly the point Tek. Dow took years to actually prove valuable at our level in the same way as David Goodwillie and Johnny Russell did.

In all cases they took a few seasons and loan spells at lower division clubs before they were ready.

We're spoilt as a fanbase because we had two absolutely exceptional youngsters play their first full seasons and then move on to bigger things in Gauld and A-Rob.

Aidan Connolly has potential, but he's not there yet and it's almost unfair of fans to expect that he start games when he's clearly not ready.

I'd personally like us to loan him to Raith.

I agree he's not ready to be played every single week.

Neither is Johnson,Szromnik,Fraser,Smith,Telfer,Spittal or even Souttar (though he's by far the best player out of our youngsters and therefore best placed to play 30+games).

All these guys must be eased into the first time in varying degrees.

To go with almost all of them in the team at the same time is tatamount to managerial suicide though.

We need experience and guys who are ready to go into the first team and improve it immediately,aswell as help talk these young guys through games and help them on the training pitch daily.

We have enough players with 'potential'.

SGMilne · 29/6/2015 8:01 pm

That's why I do want the likes of Erskine and Dow to start.

I've got a feeling Fraser might surprise a few people this season though,

St Obswell · 29/6/2015 11:06 pm

soul71 wrote:
McCallums highly rated at club like,maybe a solid/settled defence will only benifit him,think pre-season might determine.
smith&fraser will get a lot more time on pitch&aw,i think smith's a fine player btw,hopefully he shows it,think they'll be more activity come next wednesday&pre-season tour(holland).
think dicker,mcgowan will be big players for us next season&rankin who was back to his best tail end o last season,telfer,connolly&spittal will only benifit fae last season&aw.
a few wee tweaks here&there&futures bright!
got into shite yesterday for being positive on 'arab-angry' probably should o took notice of the name o the page !st but hey ho a

Throw in DJ too Soul, i have a feeling he'll split opinion but like yourself i look forward to the new young talent we bring in and through too. Hope McCallum gets the nod this season.

Tek · 23/7/2015 12:40 am

Tek wrote:
Do you reckon?

I think out of the 4 Goalies left post-Rado (McCallum,Szromnik,Zwick and McGovern) we must try and move on a further 2 of them and bring in 1 experienced one,leaving us with 3 in total (a No.1,1 back-up sub on the bench and 1 reular Dev Squad keeper,wee Ryan Booth as back-up).I reckon we'll attempt to move on McGovern and Szromnik either on loan or for good.

Looking at defence i reckon Euan Spark also may be surplus to requirements.He's been in and around the first team squad for 18 months to 2 years now and hasn't came close to making an impression.Harsh?Maybe.Still only 18.But he's the only defender i can think of who could be deemed 'not close to getting a game'.

Midfield wise i can't see us moving on anyone.Maybe Justin Johnson sent on loan for experience for a spell.

Forwards i think we may and try and move on Anier and Bilate.Bilate has a decent touch and pace but simply can't stay fit.He also had recurring hamstring injuries in Rotterdam.I think a deal may be done to terminate his contract.Anier may get another chance but if he's offering nothing in pre-season games i reckon we'll attempt to put him on loan somewhere and hope the club he moves to covers some of his wages.

I think Moore and Murray may also be put out on loan.

All conjecture on my part but if we are talking players who won't be playing week in week out these are the only one's i can think off.

So that's 8 in total,but reckon about 5 or 6 of them will be sent out on loan tbh.

A month on and i still stick by all of that apart from us maybe looking to offload Bilate.If he can stay fit it looks like he could be a handy player for us afterall.

Only other player it would seem we may also look to be moving on that i never mentioned (either on loan or for good) is Scott Smith.Pity,because 4/5 years ago he was regarded as potentially our hottest prospect.Things don't always work out with the young guys though unfortunately.

23/7/2015 12:25 pm

Report in the Express today that Anier has turned down a move to Wisla Krakow...

At least confirms he's on the ship out list if accurate.

Tangerine_Ultra · 23/7/2015 12:36 pm

Wisla Krakow are a good team tae... surprised they'd want to sign him.

lifesanocean · 23/7/2015 12:59 pm

Euan Spark seems likely to go as well although its a bit of a gamble since we are short of cover in the full back area. I'm also shocked that that dumpling Szromnik was the subby keeper last night instead of McCallum. Looks like McCallum might be moving on as well.

Silver · 23/7/2015 1:40 pm

Can't see Scott Smith being surplus, no way.

Spark, move on
Anier, move on
Szromnik, move on
Paton, move on if he can be used as a pawn
Dow,get your finger out and prove yourself son,or you have to go
Bilate, deserves a few months to turn it around. He just might do that.
Erskine,get fitter and more consistent.
Connelly,put out on loan.
Fraser,give him game time,he can be a diamond
Smith,same as Fraser.

Tangerine_Ultra · 23/7/2015 3:08 pm

Silver wrote:
Can't see Scott Smith being surplus, no way.

Spark, move on
Anier, move on
Szromnik, move on
Paton, move on if he can be used as a pawn
Dow,get your finger out and prove yourself son,or you have to go
Bilate, deserves a few months to turn it around. He just might do that.
Erskine,get fitter and more consistent.
Connelly,put out on loan.
Fraser,give him game time,he can be a diamond
Smith,same as Fraser.

Here here Silver.

SGMilne · 23/7/2015 3:09 pm

Silver wrote:
Can't see Scott Smith being surplus, no way.

Spark, move on
Anier, move on
Szromnik, move on
Paton, move on if he can be used as a pawn
Dow,get your finger out and prove yourself son,or you have to go
Bilate, deserves a few months to turn it around. He just might do that.
Erskine,get fitter and more consistent.
Connelly,put out on loan.
Fraser,give him game time,he can be a diamond
Smith,same as Fraser.

Not really sure why you've given up on Spark, especially when you want to give Smith a chance?

Spark is only 18.