Tekel Towers » Atmosphere at tannadice

stobievulture · 04/6/2015 7:50 pm

the second they put numbered seats, where people can sit in the same spot,like fucking clubby mentality...it became like a clubby......for decades you had spots where quiet people stood...where older people stood....where the singers congregated...where the cool cats stood..and where the young lads stood watching the cool cats..waiting to make that transition...unfortunatly thats all gone...finito

football was the working class playground.....a social gathering...where peacocks strutted and legends grew....now its where wummin gossip, people sing gay sangs and moaning cunts moan

best just sit up in my corner and watch the match....its only a game after all...

Arabnophobia · 04/6/2015 7:54 pm

Imagine what it would be like if everyone shared the same opinion and the WHOLE stadium chanted and brought a visual to the match.

We can only try to tip the scales in favour of the SUPPORTERS!

Imagine the opposite? Nae cunt would even aspire to be a pro fuckin player.

Up against it? No really Bowers. Folk like yersel have already made a difference. Don't be put off by anything. Carry on regardless.

stobievulture · 04/6/2015 7:55 pm

i'd spend dough and fill in the gap between the dode fox and east stand...build it right roond the corner....take the numbers aff the seats...and you could walk in any home gate and walk right round at anytime...pick your seat..if you want one, get in early and get one

Tangerine_Ultra · 04/6/2015 8:00 pm

When i was younger i used to love going to Tannadice the atmosphere was brilliant and the East Stand was bouncing every week but now I've got older people are more concerned about telling folk to sit down.

bowers · 04/6/2015 8:06 pm

stobievulture wrote:
i'd spend dough and fill in the gap between the dode fox and east stand...build it right roond the corner....take the numbers aff the seats...and you could walk in any home gate and walk right round at anytime...pick your seat..if you want one, get in early and get one

100% agree on this.

Arabnophobia · 04/6/2015 8:11 pm

Tangerine_Ultra wrote:
When i was younger i used to love going to Tannadice the atmosphere was brilliant and the East Stand was bouncing every week but now I've got older people are more concerned about telling folk to sit down.

When we diluted the choir with all seaters it was always going to cause that split. Mixing sitters with stand up singers. Nothing has changed other than the ability to congregate. I rekon we actually have a higher percentage of willing vocal supporters than in the past but now it needs organised before growing it. Folk will let loose when others around them are. Naebody was ever into singing on their own whilst blocking fellow fans views. We need an area with no seat numbers like Stobs said where all who want to sing and stand can.
The atmosphere they create would encourage other fans willing to be closer and joining in.
Just look at Well's game last week. It works!

stobievulture · 04/6/2015 8:12 pm

it would re-create what happened before..those that want to stand where they want to stand, for whatever reason would do so....

an atmosphere should be created itself due to circumstance....its a bit Americanised all this stuff, sing at the same time, wave flags at the same time, ....its got like watching ice hockey...but i guess thats what the powers to be post 80s wanted.....

was better when you were ducking fae coins

bowers · 04/6/2015 8:17 pm

Arabnophobia wrote:
Tangerine_Ultra wrote:
When i was younger i used to love going to Tannadice the atmosphere was brilliant and the East Stand was bouncing every week but now I've got older people are more concerned about telling folk to sit down.

When we diluted the choir with all seaters it was always going to cause that split. Mixing sitters with stand up singers. Nothing has changed other than the ability to congregate. I rekon we actually have a higher percentage of willing vocal supporters than in the past but now it needs organised before growing it. Folk will let loose when others around them are. Naebody was ever into singing on their own whilst blocking fellow fans views. We need an area with no seat numbers like Stobs said where all who want to sing and stand can.
The atmosphere they create would encourage other fans willing to be closer and joining in.
Just look at Well's game last week. It works!

The atmosphere is usually generated from the 2 sectons in lower east stand imo.

A change to one of or both of them being made to safe standing areas would be a major step in the right direction.
Wont happen anytime soon sadly.

huntedbyafreak · 04/6/2015 8:21 pm

Think folk are forgetting that the reason that we have seats is because 96 people were killed at a match. Can't see any British club bringing back safe standing anytime soon.

Drink would help but given Scotland's horrendous problem with alcohol that won't happen anytime soon. Events in Motherwell with the pitch invasion and goading of the Zombies probably hasn't helped the cause.

huntedbyafreak · 04/6/2015 8:23 pm

stobievulture wrote:
the second they put numbered seats, where people can sit in the same spot,like fucking clubby mentality...it became like a clubby......for decades you had spots where quiet people stood...where older people stood....where the singers congregated...where the cool cats stood..and where the young lads stood watching the cool cats..waiting to make that transition...unfortunatly thats all gone...finito

football was the working class playground.....a social gathering...where peacocks strutted and legends grew....now its where wummin gossip, people sing gay sangs and moaning cunts moan

best just sit up in my corner and watch the match....its only a game after all...

This is spot on.

There will still be games when you get a cracking atmosphere but the game and grounds now are totally sanitised and you cannot turn the clock back.

Arabnophobia · 04/6/2015 9:15 pm

huntedbyafreak wrote:
stobievulture wrote:
the second they put numbered seats, where people can sit in the same spot,like fucking clubby mentality...it became like a clubby......for decades you had spots where quiet people stood...where older people stood....where the singers congregated...where the cool cats stood..and where the young lads stood watching the cool cats..waiting to make that transition...unfortunatly thats all gone...finito

football was the working class playground.....a social gathering...where peacocks strutted and legends grew....now its where wummin gossip, people sing gay sangs and moaning cunts moan

best just sit up in my corner and watch the match....its only a game after all...
This is spot on.

There will still be games when you get a cracking atmosphere but the game and grounds now are totally sanitised and you cannot turn the clock back.

I agree totally and with a chuckle at the truthful wording.

But without a fight to bring it back things are sadly going to die down slowly.

With an attitude and determination like Bowers, the Ultras and the Shed Boys that remember and carry on supporting like supporters, we CAN improve the atmosphere and I say WILL.
Let's not be so easily put off trying.

They can put in seats, tell us not to stand, rule out certain songs, behaviours and ingrained football cultures but naecunt will stop me supporting United to the very maximum.

Arabnophobia · 04/6/2015 10:33 pm

Tangerine_Ultra wrote:
Talk about hitting the nail on the head! Great reasons why it works at other teams. Having somebody playing a drum is a great way to keep everybody in time ( we took the drum to Stranraer and it worked great till people moaned about it ) i think if everybody works together then i think this will be a sucess.

Stranraer was great with the drum and the flags mate.

huntedbyafreak · 04/6/2015 11:09 pm

Call me a moaning old cunt but I don't get the attraction with smoke bombs.

David_Blunkett · 04/6/2015 11:38 pm

There's a boy in the Dode Fox lower with a tamorine type drum thing, that's ok, but a proper wanker drum like the Motherwell 'Bois' have would do my nut in,

Bois - Lol. cunty name.

Tek · 05/6/2015 12:17 am

I really like that corner of Motherwell's fans tbh.All young guys who are very passionate and vocal in support of their team.Not a huge fan of the drum but at least they're trying to create an atmosphere,so fairplay to them.

Dismays me a wee bit tbh to see young guys trying things to improve the atmosphere/experience at Tannadice and it gets shot down.Yes the atmosphere would of course be better if we were playing the type of fitba we were from Oct-Dec 2013 but the team and Manager are frequently saying a vocal support helps them perform better so it's something we really should be looking to improve at Tannadice,particulary in games against the likes of Kilmarnock,Hamilton,Ross County,Inverness i'e' teams who we have no real rivalry with and bring a poor support through.

All clubs were forced to go all-seater due to Hillsborough but does that mean we have to stand still and accept 'ach this is just the way it is'?

The Germans have the best league in the World from the aspect of the fan experience (safe-standing,clean modern stadia,affordable prices,good affordable food in the ground,beer).

Football these days has so much competiton entertainment wise and if we don't continually try to enhance the 'customers' experience then the game will slowly wither away imo.We already play in a league where the best you can ever hope for is 2nd,so what is the selling point over and above blind loyalty?Genuine question btw.

Most folk of a certain vintage on here would agree that standing at matches was FAR superior to sitting so we really must in the next few years seriously look into a safe-standing area where young guys like the Banter Bus etc can all congregate and add colour and vocal support to the team without annoying old timers who just want to sit in comfort.

I wouldn't want the aesthetics of the stadium to be tarnished in implementing this though so i really don't see the point in ripping out seats in the ETL to make it happen.We,afterall spent millions in getting that stand upto the standard it's at which is still decent 20 years on IMO.

The bit between the Shed and the George Fox is quite frankly an eye-sore though and has been for years now.It does though have a natural terracing already still there that i don't think would take a monumental amount of work to upgrade and put in railing,barriers etc etc (probably could be done over a Summer).

How do we afford this though?I hear you ask.Well why not think outside the box.Could we not look into possibly getting a local building contractors to carry-out the work for free and in exchange that part of the ground is renamed the (for example) Morrison Stand (Morrison Construction) for say 10-15 years with free advertising all over the ground and in hospo boxes etc etc.

Maybe never a goer,but nothing ventured nothing gained.

The club should always be looking to improve and stadia and fan experience is as much a part of that as anything else.

Tangerine_Ultra · 05/6/2015 8:04 am

The Motherwell Bois type of thing is exactly the sort of thing badly needed at Tannadice. Yes some of the chants maybe abit sucpect but at least its one of the away days i look forward to most because it's a ground with a half decent atmopshere unlike the libary sounding Tannadice. Like I've said before we tried to start something in the ETL next to the GF but were shot down from the start due to being "view blockers" With abit of help something like this could really work at Tannadice.

bowers · 05/6/2015 8:31 am

Thought motherwell away we done a good job also with the big flag and streamers
Things can happen

Tek · 05/6/2015 8:32 am

Atmosphere was superb that day mate.

Hamiltonarab · 05/6/2015 10:25 am

I think if the club just decide to try and get this put in, along the lines of what Tek was saying by getting folk into do it for free/volunteer in return for free advertising then even if it is not passed for the top league of the SPFL, then surely we could still use it for cup games? Standing is still allowed at other grounds with terracing, which is probably not quite the safe standing setup either. So could the club put this in and use it for cup games? It would still requite the ground to change its safety certificate I would imagine with the council and police etc, but other teams not far away from Dundee have standing, Forfar, Brechin, Arbroath.....and they are all pefectly fine for cup games. Even friendlies too I'm sure, depending on who's rules they fall under though.

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bowers · 05/6/2015 12:30 pm

Hamiltonarab wrote:
I think if the club just decide to try and get this put in, along the lines of what Tek was saying by getting folk into do it for free/volunteer in return for free advertising then even if it is not passed for the top league of the SPFL, then surely we could still use it for cup games? Standing is still allowed at other grounds with terracing, which is probably not quite the safe standing setup either. So could the club put this in and use it for cup games? It would still requite the ground to change its safety certificate I would imagine with the council and police etc, but other teams not far away from Dundee have standing, Forfar, Brechin, Arbroath.....and they are all pefectly fine for cup games. Even friendlies too I'm sure, depending on who's rules they fall under though.

If the club did go ahead i doubt they would put it somewhere and only use it for cup games. Would be pointless imo even if local builders etc offered to do it for a free advertisement. What if we didnt get a home cup game for 3 seasons?
Would need to go the right way if it was to happen and starting of with 1 or 2 sections in east stand lower would be ideal imo.

Hamiltonarab · 05/6/2015 1:26 pm

That is a possibility, but if being put in free gratis then it really isn't much of a gamble. Certainly wouldn't say it would be pointless either, as it would help put pressure on SPFL as it is seen as an example of how it could work and perhaps alleviate any potential reservations from decision makers. It could help speed up a decision being made, by which point we would already have a section in place. This is a more proactive approach, but that is what needs to be done in this country I believe. Would be here in 10 years time still waiting on sections of the ETL to be changed over.

bowers · 06/6/2015 8:26 am

The cost the sticking point for us.

I seem to remember reading £100 per seat it would cost?
Id pay the 100quid for my own seat to be changed over id bet there would be many others willing to do this also

arabugsy · 07/6/2015 9:43 pm

Tek wrote:
I really like that corner of Motherwell's fans tbh.All young guys who are very passionate and vocal in support of their team.Not a huge fan of the drum but at least they're trying to create an atmosphere,so fairplay to them.

Dismays me a wee bit tbh to see young guys trying things to improve the atmosphere/experience at Tannadice and it gets shot down.Yes the atmosphere would of course be better if we were playing the type of fitba we were from Oct-Dec 2013 but the team and Manager are frequently saying a vocal support helps them perform better so it's something we really should be looking to improve at Tannadice,particulary in games against the likes of Kilmarnock,Hamilton,Ross County,Inverness i'e' teams who we have no real rivalry with and bring a poor support through.

All clubs were forced to go all-seater due to Hillsborough but does that mean we have to stand still and accept 'ach this is just the way it is'?

The Germans have the best league in the World from the aspect of the fan experience (safe-standing,clean modern stadia,affordable prices,good affordable food in the ground,beer).

Football these days has so much competiton entertainment wise and if we don't continually try to enhance the 'customers' experience then the game will slowly wither away imo.We already play in a league where the best you can ever hope for is 2nd,so what is the selling point over and above blind loyalty?Genuine question btw.

Most folk of a certain vintage on here would agree that standing at matches was FAR superior to sitting so we really must in the next few years seriously look into a safe-standing area where young guys like the Banter Bus etc can all congregate and add colour and vocal support to the team without annoying old timers who just want to sit in comfort.

I wouldn't want the aesthetics of the stadium to be tarnished in implementing this though so i really don't see the point in ripping out seats in the ETL to make it happen.We,afterall spent millions in getting that stand upto the standard it's at which is still decent 20 years on IMO.

The bit between the Shed and the George Fox is quite frankly an eye-sore though and has been for years now.It does though have a natural terracing already still there that i don't think would take a monumental amount of work to upgrade and put in railing,barriers etc etc (probably could be done over a Summer).

How do we afford this though?I hear you ask.Well why not think outside the box.Could we not look into possibly getting a local building contractors to carry-out the work for free and in exchange that part of the ground is renamed the (for example) Morrison Stand (Morrison Construction) for say 10-15 years with free advertising all over the ground and in hospo boxes etc etc.

Maybe never a goer,but nothing ventured nothing gained.

The club should always be looking to improve and stadia and fan experience is as much a part of that as anything else.

Great post, TEK.

Arabnophobia · 07/6/2015 10:34 pm

arabugsy wrote:
Tek wrote:
I really like that corner of Motherwell's fans tbh.All young guys who are very passionate and vocal in support of their team.Not a huge fan of the drum but at least they're trying to create an atmosphere,so fairplay to them.

Dismays me a wee bit tbh to see young guys trying things to improve the atmosphere/experience at Tannadice and it gets shot down.Yes the atmosphere would of course be better if we were playing the type of fitba we were from Oct-Dec 2013 but the team and Manager are frequently saying a vocal support helps them perform better so it's something we really should be looking to improve at Tannadice,particulary in games against the likes of Kilmarnock,Hamilton,Ross County,Inverness i'e' teams who we have no real rivalry with and bring a poor support through.

All clubs were forced to go all-seater due to Hillsborough but does that mean we have to stand still and accept 'ach this is just the way it is'?

The Germans have the best league in the World from the aspect of the fan experience (safe-standing,clean modern stadia,affordable prices,good affordable food in the ground,beer).

Football these days has so much competiton entertainment wise and if we don't continually try to enhance the 'customers' experience then the game will slowly wither away imo.We already play in a league where the best you can ever hope for is 2nd,so what is the selling point over and above blind loyalty?Genuine question btw.

Most folk of a certain vintage on here would agree that standing at matches was FAR superior to sitting so we really must in the next few years seriously look into a safe-standing area where young guys like the Banter Bus etc can all congregate and add colour and vocal support to the team without annoying old timers who just want to sit in comfort.

I wouldn't want the aesthetics of the stadium to be tarnished in implementing this though so i really don't see the point in ripping out seats in the ETL to make it happen.We,afterall spent millions in getting that stand upto the standard it's at which is still decent 20 years on IMO.

The bit between the Shed and the George Fox is quite frankly an eye-sore though and has been for years now.It does though have a natural terracing already still there that i don't think would take a monumental amount of work to upgrade and put in railing,barriers etc etc (probably could be done over a Summer).

How do we afford this though?I hear you ask.Well why not think outside the box.Could we not look into possibly getting a local building contractors to carry-out the work for free and in exchange that part of the ground is renamed the (for example) Morrison Stand (Morrison Construction) for say 10-15 years with free advertising all over the ground and in hospo boxes etc etc.

Maybe never a goer,but nothing ventured nothing gained.

The club should always be looking to improve and stadia and fan experience is as much a part of that as anything else.
Great post, TEK.

Motherwell went from a fuckall atmosphere for decades to a wee crowd of enthusiastic lads to what we saw at the Zombie match.

Fair enough we do that sort of atmosphere and better at similar high tension games but harnessing the passion and improving it can and should be done.
I appreciate the efforts of the display squad. These efforts will be seen online by potential and existing fans forever and potential incoming transfers won't be put of when seeing these scenes when they google DUFC as they ponder their future.
The singing section/ultras need the backing of those who have backed Bowers, Tam and crew and less cliquey ridicule with more total United support.
Maybe if other more respected factions of the support started the singing section it might have taken off better like the SAS lads, The Frankie Kopel or the boys fae the Rock.
If we are going to improve the atmosphere we should trial things on away days when seats are not numbered and everyone is up for the idea, then take it into Tannadice.

We can and will succeed in this.

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bowers · 08/6/2015 8:15 am

Ive said previously i think the best area was something like this is the section directly behind the goal in the lower east stand and or the section next to this towards the george