Trap 6 has been objective and unbiased and I appreciate his input.
I'd be equally grateful if given every party would give their wholehearted opinion without holding back any known facts.
Don't like seeing the support split and can't remember as bad a split ever.
Dribs and drabs of facts don't help and I get why some hold back for the greater good and confidentiality reasons but for fhuck sake just let all be known!

Beharder wrote:

Where does this leave any future owners? It appears that sections of our support want to have a chairman who sends them an email every time he goes for a shit.

 
I agree to a point mate and have a suspicion that if he gives out the information demanded plenty might look like they've overreacted. The reaction of those with inside info fuels the reaction of those with little. The low moral feeds the whole thing.  Not a good time to talk about anything related to UTD without it being hijacked by folk wanting to air their anger.
No win situation for some but we all want to know the facts.

Last edited by Arabnophobia (02/4/2015 8:56 pm)

Its in the best interests of everyone that the club answer all the questions asked from trust/fed 100% accuratly.

There is major concerns from both and quite rightly so and hopefully the club can clarify alot sooner tather than later

Arabnophobia wrote:

bowers wrote:

Its in the best interests of everyone that the club answer all the questions asked from trust/fed 100% accuratly.

There is major concerns from both and quite rightly so and hopefully the club can clarify alot sooner tather than later

Totally agree Bowers. I'm no in either though. In a one word answer mate, are there factors unknown or not made public that would influence my feelings?
 

 
The club would need to make the questions and answers public.

the trust & fed felt it was best to let all the members of both and other fans that things are not as smooth as may seem.. this is far from as some people seem to think a knee jerk rraction or a jumping to conclutions thing and as the statement says its been going on for a while.

At the end of the day the Chairman and/or club could come out and say in 5 minutes 'Jackie McNamara and his coaches make absolutely NO money on Dundee Utd players transferred to other clubs'.

This is a horrific conflict of interests for the Manager.His prestige at being DUFC Manager (and the handsome wage he receives ) should be reward enough for taking the role.

Finding it hard to understand anyone who disagrees with this if i'm honest.

 

TEK wrote:

At the end of the day the Chairman and/or club could come out and say in 5 minutes 'Jackie McNamara and his coaches make absolutely NO money on Dundee Utd players transferred to other clubs'.

This is a horrific conflict of interests for the Manager.His prestige at being DUFC Manager (and the handsome wage he receives ) should be reward enough for taking the role.

Finding it hard to understand anyone who disagrees with this if i'm honest.

 

 
Theres a lot of the things being talked about I personally am not that bothered about.  Can see both sides of the argument and am somewhere in the middle on.

This bit above is niggling away at me.  I didnt think for 1 minute reading the initial statement that the management team were receiving 'commission' on sales, thought it must be the deal struck with the investors.  TBH if that had been the case then fair enough.  IF however it is the management team then it is so far wrong IMO.

Football managers job is to pick teams to win games and ultimately trophies, and yes at DU developing young players is a big part of the job too.  However if a manager is making money thru sales of players then surely this plays a part in his team selections and also plays a part in his thinking when offers come in.  Certainly a lot more tempting to accept an offer when your personal bank account is growing from it.

Football behind all this business side is meant to be a sport, IMO this takes away from the sporting element of the game, managers priorities are making money from transfers. not winning games.  I cant in any way find this acceptable.  All bonuses, and they can be huge, should be about success of results/trophies, nothing else.

IF this is going on it really does raise the question "whats the point?"

Hopefully its confirmed as a bad rumour.

TEK wrote:

At the end of the day the Chairman and/or club could come out and say in 5 minutes 'Jackie McNamara and his coaches make absolutely NO money on Dundee Utd players transferred to other clubs'.


 

Problem is TEK he canna come out and say that because that's what happens.

Or.... he can come out and say that but folk are no gonna believe him because of the spin he spouted recently.

Lose/lose situation! 

If get that some folk feel Jackie might make decisions on financial rather than footballing issues, but I can't remember many times when I've thought he's picked certain players over others for any other reason than maybe getting his tactics wrong.

If he was all about making money, how come the one player that's went for the biggest fee, Gauld, spent more time on the bench than on the pitch the 2nd half of last season, one dip of the shoulder, one killer pass and the media were raving.

No-one is/was ever going to buy Ryan Dow, Chris Erksine, Blair Spittal, let alone ahead of GMS, Connolly, or Armstrong, these were players who spend time in the team at their expense.

John Souttar is the most likely to be next to be sold from our conveyor belt, but even when he was fit he was eased in gently / used sparingly, the manager would want all of his assests in the team if it was about money surely?
 

huntedbyafreak wrote:

Can't say I'm a fan of Jackie getting dough when we sell players but I'm not a fan of washing dirty undies in public.

This will divide fans and will create a toxic atmosphere at Tannadice.

100% agree with this HBF , however , it wasna a snap decision bud...been a couple of years at least asking the club to please get costs under control.....nothing changed though and but for our plan to rely on Transfer Income to balance the books , which weakens the team eventually ala Hibs ,  we would be a Toxic Buisness losing between 15 and 20 Grand a week....If anything we should learn from our neighbours is that running a club like that will eventually end in turmoil. 

If , given the information we had been getting from those at the Club , we had not asked the questions and at least tried to change the pissing against the wall of money policy we are informed is happening then eh coodna look you in the eye if it went really tits up.

End Game for me for this and hopefully it is with immediate effect from a personal point is a Team on the Park , Coaches in the dug-oot , Management , Board Members and all Staff behind the scenes and every fan pulling in the same direction for DUFC.....because that is what has brought us all together at Day 1.

Anyway....After all that havering ehl no even be ther today as im off to an all day wedding !!

Have a good day bud. 
 

huntedbyafreak wrote:

You too mate. Try to keep your top on

Mare chance of us playing 2 up front ....
 

Think the point is we should be self-sufficient without transfer income. Dependence on transfer revenue is a high risk policy so it's better to treat transfer money as a bonus then reinvest.

The high risk policy has fortunately worked the last few years but I don't now see the conveyor belt going fast enough to maintain it.

arabugsy wrote:

Think the point is we should be self-sufficient without transfer income. Dependence on transfer revenue is a high risk policy so it's better to treat transfer money as a bonus then reinvest.

The high risk policy has fortunately worked the last few years but I don't now see the conveyor belt going fast enough to maintain it.

Thats prety much it Bugsy