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01/4/2015 8:35 pm  #1


fed/trust statement

http://www.arabtrust.co.uk/news/statement


STATEMENT FROM THE BOARD OF ARABTRUST AND THE COMMITTEE OF THE FEDERATION OF DUNDEE UNITED SUPPORTERS CLUBS

Following 2 months of meetings and discussions with the Board of Dundee United, we (the Board of ArabTRUST and the Committee of the Federation of DUSC) feel that we now must update our members.It is with regret that we have to make such a statement. However, we feel that following the discussions held we have no other option and it is our duty to do so as shareholders in the club and as elected members of the committees of fans representative bodies.Despite numerous meetings between 15th January and 26th March with members of the Board of DUFC, the General Manager and the First Team Manager, we remain worried as to how our club is being managed.An initial meeting between the Committee of the Federation and Derek Robertson plus David Southern of DUFC was held on 15th January. At this, they informed the Committee of the need to cut costs at the Club and indicated that season ticket prices / gate prices would have to rise in 2015/16.
The Federation stated at this meeting that given the feel-good factor at the club at that point they saw any season ticket price rise as being detrimental ; however , if this was based on an overall cost management requirement for the Club they would discuss the reasoning behind the proposed price increase, when available, with their members. David explained that the Club were carrying out a cost management exercise to get the Club to a break even position, without relying on transfer income, by May 2016 with season ticket price rises forming part of this. Over a month later, the Chairman of DUFC announced in the local press that season ticket prices were to be frozen. Given the discussions, we were puzzled by this announcement.Two weeks later, the DUFC AGM was held on 29th January where a number of questions were asked which the Board of DUFC could not answer. We were hugely unimpressed by this, particularly as none of the questions were particularly challenging, for example, how many signed players did the club have. Most worryingly, at the meeting Stephen Thompson stated that he would not allow any investment in the club that would take his personal shareholding below 51%.Subsequent to the AGM and the sale of two of our established first team players (Stuart Armstrong and Gary McKay Steven) on February 1st, and with the perceived disquiet of the fans around this sale given it was just a few weeks before our appearance in a major Cup Final, a meeting was arranged by the Club for us to meet with Jackie McNamara, Derek Robertson and David Southern on 10th February. Although Jackie spoke very well and gave his vision for taking the club forward again, the meeting did not provide us with any comfort as to the overall management of the club.On 3rd March, we received the following from Derek Robertson on behalf of the DUFC Board “I understand that both supporters groups wish clarity on various matters and the purpose of the meeting therefore is to provide you with an early opportunity to address any such issues directly with the Chairman and the Board.  
In order for you to get the most out of this meeting, and for us to provide the appropriate level of detail required, it would be helpful if you could forward me a list of priority questions before Friday.” It was then suggested by the club that a meeting could be held after the launch of the GA Engineering Arena on 6th March, unfortunately most of the members of our respective Boards and Committee were unavailable at that date. We therefore suggested a meeting shortly after this and submitted our questions to Stephen Thompson by letter on the afternoon of 6th March.
We finally received a written response to these on 24th March, after, disappointingly, having had to prompt the DUFC Board to provide a response to these on 20th March following unsuccessful communication regarding a meeting.
In the letter of 6th March, we submitted 22 questions, which can be grouped into the following topics: Thompson family shareholding / investment in the club, debt management, cost control, football strategy and remuneration. Despite a written response and a meeting with Stephen Thompson, Derek Robertson and David Southern on 26th March, a number of our questions remain unanswered. We are puzzled as to why this is the case, as we were clear we required a response to each question.
At the meeting on 26th March, we were told yet again that costs would be managed downwards. This is despite having been told the same story for a number of years and seeing no progress. In fact, the operating costs of DUFC have remained relatively consistent for the last 7 years. As such, we remain sceptical as to whether any progress will be made in the current and future financial years without detriment to the playing side of the club. Positively, and contrary to the statement made at the AGM on 29th January, Stephen Thompson announced that he would now welcome investment in the club through wider share ownership. However, he was wary of a level of investment that would take the Thompson family shareholding below 75%.
There are three key points that we feel all Dundee United fans should be aware of:
- Firstly, we were shocked to find out that a huge amount of ‘commission’ has been paid to unnamed parties from the sale of 4 players – Gauld, Robertson, Armstrong and Mackay-Steven. We believe this figure to be in excess of £500k. This does not include payments to players, agents or other clubs. When all of these various payments are totalled, over 25% of the £6.3m in fees received has not been kept in the club.
- Secondly, despite the sales of the 4 players noted above, the Board of DUFC does not believe that this is yet sufficient to pay all current remaining debt.
- Thirdly, the amount of investment in the club by the Thompson family is not £5m as has been widely reported. This includes payments of over £1m made to buy out previous shareholders and soft loans to the club, the latter of which have been steadily repaid in the last few years. The actual investment, as confirmed by Stephen Thompson, is nearer £3.5m. Of this, the Thompson family hold nearly 85,000 shares in the club, which are valued (as agreed by the clubs auditors) at £33 a share. We believe that if the Thompson family were to sell their shares, they could recoup a significant proportion of the money they have invested.
At the meeting on 26th March, it was agreed that we would reconvene with the Board of DUFC in June to reflect on any progress made in improving the management of the club. At this future meeting it should become clear the scale of the operating loss which will be incurred in the current financial year.
Given the points above, we believe that changes are required as to how Dundee United is managed. We want our club to be successful and stable, both on and off the park. Both ArabTRUST and the Federation wish only the best for Dundee United; the club is deep within our hearts and we hope that by the time we formally meet again with the Board of DUFC that the necessary changes have been made to improve the management of the club and allow us in the future to prosper on the field.

 

01/4/2015 8:49 pm  #2


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Sounds very much to me like certain people are lining their pockets at the detriment to the team and the support.

So many contradictory statements being made by Thompson and the club this season.

Somethings far from right and i've felt that way for months now.

Hats off to the Fed and Atrust for posing these difficult (but straightforward) questions,and furthermore for being like a Dog with a bone about it.

 

01/4/2015 8:51 pm  #3


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I don't feel that there will be many fans that are shocked by anything in the statement.

The January sales opened a lot of people's eyes to the fact that

a. We do/did need to sell
b. We run at a loss
c. Previous levels of commitment don't appear to be there anymore (boardroom level)

To sell players for 6.3m and still be in debt for not far off what we initially owed is mental, but I suppose it's down to the fact of how quickly the sales came after the bank deals were put in place, it doesn't seem it was the great deal it was purported to be.
 


"Don't F*cking ever offer me that again!"
 

01/4/2015 8:53 pm  #4


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Rest of season is going to be fun


Yeah yeah Industrial Estate
 

01/4/2015 8:57 pm  #5


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It's bad joo joo when the Fed/Trust are at loggerheads with the board and it's mutiplied by the fact that it's a bit shite on field as well.

There's a squad of players with far more ability than they're showing at the moment, get their fingers out and the fans might be a wee bit more accepting of things.


"Don't F*cking ever offer me that again!"
 

01/4/2015 9:02 pm  #6


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Nothing in there I haven't heard elsewhere but glad to see the fed and AT have thrown down the gauntlet , have had fantastic sales that should have cleared all the debt and the club should have been running at break even by now , business man my arse , something is rotten in the state of Denmark .

 

01/4/2015 9:02 pm  #7


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Bung (noun)
British slang for a bribe, a "deal sweetener" of sorts. The term is used within football corruption, transfer agents paying "bungs" and the managers that accept them.
e.g. 'Bolton's manager accepts bungs'

Last edited by lifesanocean (01/4/2015 9:15 pm)


Too much commotion
 

01/4/2015 9:19 pm  #8


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How much debt do we actually have?


Yeah yeah Industrial Estate
 

01/4/2015 9:21 pm  #9


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Club say £1.3 million, Trust say £1.7 million. Fuck knows. Maybe thats after commission has been paid...

Last edited by lifesanocean (01/4/2015 9:28 pm)


Too much commotion
 

01/4/2015 9:22 pm  #10


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ST is on record as saying it's 2.1m in soft loans, of which a big chunk will be paid back from Armstrong / GMS money.

Not sure if the above statement changes or contradicts that.

Last edited by David_Blunket (01/4/2015 9:25 pm)


"Don't F*cking ever offer me that again!"
 

01/4/2015 9:22 pm  #11


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Few random thoughts

A club like ours must run at break even levels before transfer fees.

The fact we are running at a loss surely means we did have to sell in january.

It would appear that the un-named investors got a good deal from the sales.

Clearly, as I suspected, the the summer transfer fees were nowhere near the reported values. If they were the 6.3m income would be nearer 7.6m.

This isn't going to end well that's for sure.  Messy time ahead.

Roll on Saturday for what its really all about.

 

01/4/2015 9:33 pm  #12


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David_Blunket wrote:

I don't feel that there will be many fans that are shocked by anything in the statement.
....................
 

Agree with you m8, that I'm no shocked to have kinda known/thought along these lines,, but I am shocked to read it.
 

 

01/4/2015 9:53 pm  #13


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The Shed wrote:

It would appear that the un-named investors got a good deal from the sales.
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If rumours are true our Manager is one party who benefitted from the player sales.
 

 

01/4/2015 9:57 pm  #14


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Not too shocked, but disappointed to have worries confirmed. I'd be interested to see who is getting the commission on the transfer fees, at a guess it would have to be the providers of soft loans, but there's a nagging feeling that that is not the case.

Whatever the truth, it also appears that the fans, Arabtrust, the Fed, and the supporters outside either organisation deserve more transparency, as they seem to be the most dependable and faithful assets which the club has. 

Communication from the club too can be poor: it took three emails from me earlier in the year to gain any sort of response from United on a certain matter, and even when a reply arrived, it didn’t provide an insight into the club’s position.

We need some more positive results on the park, or things could soon turn very sour (if they haven’t already).
 

 

01/4/2015 9:57 pm  #15


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Thank fuck the bairns have got a birthday party on Saturday.  I'm dreading that its gonna kick off at the Chairman and Manager if we get beat.


Too much commotion
 

01/4/2015 9:58 pm  #16


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First (gut) reaction to the statement was, if something's not right then shout it from the rooftops.

Second (logical boring bastard) reaction was, fuck me we've got a civil war and that's not good when one side has all the power.

Total can of worms that can benefit no cunt of an arab persuasion.

 

01/4/2015 9:59 pm  #17


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I've been watching 'The Thick Of It'.  Malcolm Tucker would have his work cut out trying to sort this fucking mess out and put a positive spin on things at the moment.


Too much commotion
 

01/4/2015 10:01 pm  #18


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PatReilly wrote:

Whatever the truth, it also appears that the fans, Arabtrust, the Fed, and the supporters outside either organisation deserve more transparency, as they seem to be the most dependable and faithful assets which the club has.
 

Got to get a like button.
 

 

01/4/2015 10:05 pm  #19


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just watching that thing about strangeways...anycunt for the ET roof on saturday if we get beat?

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01/4/2015 10:06 pm  #20


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Never really worry masel over the finance side of things, prefer to leave it to the experts, but it seems pretty evident that someone is either on the take, getting prepared for departure, or both.

 

01/4/2015 10:08 pm  #21


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stobievulture wrote:

just watching that thing about strangeways...anycunt for the ET roof on saturday if we get beat?

I'm sending the wife to the kennels at 3pm on Saturday, there better be a dug waiting for me to volley when I get home if it goes tits up.
 

Last edited by David_Blunket (01/4/2015 10:12 pm)


"Don't F*cking ever offer me that again!"
 

01/4/2015 10:12 pm  #22


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lifesanocean wrote:

I've been watching 'The Thick Of It'.  Malcolm Tucker would have his work cut out trying to sort this fucking mess out and put a positive spin on things at the moment.

Best choice of viewing, and you could be right.
 

 

01/4/2015 10:33 pm  #23


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I just hope the Statement achieves it's aim of informing the Fans of the Facts and also that the Club gets it's head out the clouds and starts living 100% within its means .....if by that it means pain on the park until the haemorrhaging of money is addressed then so be it.

Honesty , Transparency and Clarity from the Club is all we are after. No agendas , no undermining and no aim to oust anybody.....hopefully the present incumbents get their finger out their arse and start working like Trojans on and off the park to get the Good Ship DUFC back on course.

 

01/4/2015 10:36 pm  #24


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Here here.
 


"Don't F*cking ever offer me that again!"
 

01/4/2015 10:50 pm  #25


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If we had won the league cup would any body really have been that bothered about off field matters.

 

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