Tek wrote:

Tek wrote:

Gallagher not playing was eye opening. Now i'm not sure how true this is, but there are murmurs on Twitter that he has told the club he needs an operation and would have put himself through the pain barrier if he was getting a new deal, but as he isn't he's not wanting risked. If this is true and i say IF then this is wholly unacceptable that we have found ourselves in this type of situation twice in four months, albeit it's slightly different to the Kevin Holt situation.

 

In the interests of fairness, i should say Declan Gallagher's, Father (or someone claiming to be his Father) has posted on social media that he is fit, available and is bewildered as to why he wasn't selected today.

Regardless, i stad by my views that contract talks should be put on the back burner till the season's end, in future.
 

I've no idea either,  he's our leader on the pitch along with Docherty.

Anyone who goes along will hear him all game talking the players through the game.

The minute against Dundee he subbed him and put on Mani it had disaster all over it and likewise today. Mani needs his hand held right through the 90.

Madness.

I try not to be too harsh after games vs OF, particularly Celtic these days but that was a very poor performance after the first 15 minutes.

Agree with just about everything posted so far so not going to go over it, however, I felt yet again that today showed just how bad our January transfer window was.

Paton and Campbell were poor again. Has Paton ever actually ever connected properly with a shot since he signed btw? Know Celtic will always be difficult but looked at that bench again today and felt there was nothing available that would've made a difference. This Gallagher stuff only adds to it.

Big summer coming up.

Stillliving wrote:

Celtic won the league last year by winning 5-0 away to 4th place Kilmarnock.
Unfortunately its pointless saying he's shite , why was he not playing ect.
Celtic are so far ahead of United the result was completely inevitable.

Goal difference might well come into play though, in terms of us getting 3rd, 4th or 5th.

There was definitely things we could have done today to limit the score line.

IMO
 

The morning after reflections:

Scottish football has to be the most uncompetitive league in the world. If you take the average gap between 1st & third in the 21C .

Celtics turnover is now 15× UTDs and increasing every year.

Their fans were quite subdued for a team winning the league, certainly compared to 2008 when the won it at Tannadice. Serial winners eventually become matter of fact.

The Celtic games are increasingly been seen as pointless by our fans. Despite this being one of our better seasons in recent memory that was the smallest home support ( by a distance) all season.

That's 40 years since a  ' provincial' club won the league when will the SFA maybe think that might not be good for the Scottish game?

My other half who knows absolutely nothing about football ( maybe she will be headhunted by the SFA VAR team) said to me what's the point in playing a game where you know what will happen before you start ?
I'm not sure I have an answer

That should the last oe the shell suit brigade we endure till next Season, unless of course yer gonna sit and puke waachin the Cup final.

Tek wrote:

SlatefordArab wrote:

As for the club allowing Celtic fans into hospo in the GF. Seriously, get fucked Utd. Are we really that separate for cash?

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A disgrace.

Giving them three stands of our stadium at £42 quid is one thing.

But, having a sizeable section of them in our home stand should never, ever happen.

The club mentality these days seems to be cash over morals. Over everything.

Dund££ Unit£d

 

 

It's further evidence that Celtic have outgrown Scottish football .
The club only see the day as a chance to make money.
It looked to me as about 20% of season ticket holders didn't go . Around 50 % of those who did go had left by half time.
And the players put up about 10mins resistance and then threw the towel in.

Dust settled on Saturday and wanted to share my thoughts, some of which might be a little controversial.

Firstly the football.  I have a bit of sympathy for Goodwin as he put out a team, I think with one view to the remaining 4 winnable matches, but also one to have a bit of a go at Celtic.  It worked well for the first 25 minutes.  However, Manny and Vicko at CH was never going to work for 90 minutes.  It was a mistake to bench Gallagher unless he knows something we don't.  I don't get the hate for Campbell.  He worked hard throughout his time on the pitch and achieved about the same as any other United player.  For me he had a much better game than Sibbald.  Ruari Paton seems like a good guy.  Not good enough at football though.  Dalby needs to fall over more.  vdS might have been our best player!  The referee had his hoops on under his shirt.  All that said, that was a team that nearly beat Bayern in the Allianz and if they play well, which they did, then they'll put 5 past most teams in Scotland.  Sad but true.

On to fans, firstly United.  For those that throw the towel in before kick off and those that left before half time, what do you expect?  It was clear before a ball was kicked what the United fans expected and that translates to the pitch.  If we want to keep Celtic fans out of Tannadice then we need to turn up.  If we all treat it as a dead rubber then of course the club will take the silver lining of the extra cash and so they should.  Remember some fans, on other boards right enough, were freely admitting they'd sold their tickets to Celtic fans.  

I paid £40 for me and £25 for my lad.  OK for me, but that is pricing fans out of football.  So Celtic fans are entitled to make that point.  They need to make it to their own club too (which to be fair some think they are).  Chucking stuff on to the pitch to make the point however is unacceptable and defeats their point.  As for the 'fruit of their labour' pish and the sectarian nonsense, they can F off with that.  

I have to agree with Always on the hospitality point.  Inevitable that we aren't filling that and so Celtic fans will.  I was in the GF and to be fair to them I didn't hear them at all during the game - didn't notice they were there until the end.  Spoke to a couple of them and they seemed sound enough.  If the boot was on the other foot we'd do the same.  Plenty United fans in the Derry and Provie Road ends in '83.

All that said, let's draw a line under this and get back to supporting the team at Easter Road.  Win there and 3rd is on.

Finn Seemann wrote:

Dust settled on Saturday and wanted to share my thoughts, some of which might be a little controversial.

Firstly the football.  I have a bit of sympathy for Goodwin as he put out a team, I think with one view to the remaining 4 winnable matches, but also one to have a bit of a go at Celtic.  It worked well for the first 25 minutes.  However, Manny and Vicko at CH was never going to work for 90 minutes.  It was a mistake to bench Gallagher unless he knows something we don't.  I don't get the hate for Campbell.  He worked hard throughout his time on the pitch and achieved about the same as any other United player.  For me he had a much better game than Sibbald.  Ruari Paton seems like a good guy.  Not good enough at football though.  Dalby needs to fall over more.  vdS might have been our best player!  The referee had his hoops on under his shirt.  All that said, that was a team that nearly beat Bayern in the Allianz and if they play well, which they did, then they'll put 5 past most teams in Scotland.  Sad but true.

On to fans, firstly United.  For those that throw the towel in before kick off and those that left before half time, what do you expect?  It was clear before a ball was kicked what the United fans expected and that translates to the pitch.  If we want to keep Celtic fans out of Tannadice then we need to turn up.  If we all treat it as a dead rubber then of course the club will take the silver lining of the extra cash and so they should.  Remember some fans, on other boards right enough, were freely admitting they'd sold their tickets to Celtic fans.  

I paid £40 for me and £25 for my lad.  OK for me, but that is pricing fans out of football.  So Celtic fans are entitled to make that point.  They need to make it to their own club too (which to be fair some think they are).  Chucking stuff on to the pitch to make the point however is unacceptable and defeats their point.  As for the 'fruit of their labour' pish and the sectarian nonsense, they can F off with that.  

I have to agree with Always on the hospitality point.  Inevitable that we aren't filling that and so Celtic fans will.  I was in the GF and to be fair to them I didn't hear them at all during the game - didn't notice they were there until the end.  Spoke to a couple of them and they seemed sound enough.  If the boot was on the other foot we'd do the same.  Plenty United fans in the Derry and Provie Road ends in '83.

All that said, let's draw a line under this and get back to supporting the team at Easter Road.  Win there and 3rd is on.

 
I would agree with a lot of that Finn. I said exactly that to one of my  children that Campbell was far more effective than Sibbald on Saturday.  He was one of the few who showed a bit of aggression when he made the tackle that forced Jota off.
There does seem to be a tendency for some to make their mind up about a player and an intransgience to alter that view.
And yes definitely draw a line under this and on to Easter Road.

Finn Seemann wrote:

Dust settled on Saturday and wanted to share my thoughts, some of which might be a little controversial.

Firstly the football.  I have a bit of sympathy for Goodwin as he put out a team, I think with one view to the remaining 4 winnable matches, but also one to have a bit of a go at Celtic.  It worked well for the first 25 minutes.  However, Manny and Vicko at CH was never going to work for 90 minutes.  It was a mistake to bench Gallagher unless he knows something we don't.  I don't get the hate for Campbell.  He worked hard throughout his time on the pitch and achieved about the same as any other United player.  For me he had a much better game than Sibbald.  Ruari Paton seems like a good guy.  Not good enough at football though.  Dalby needs to fall over more.  vdS might have been our best player!  The referee had his hoops on under his shirt.  All that said, that was a team that nearly beat Bayern in the Allianz and if they play well, which they did, then they'll put 5 past most teams in Scotland.  Sad but true.

On to fans, firstly United.  For those that throw the towel in before kick off and those that left before half time, what do you expect?  It was clear before a ball was kicked what the United fans expected and that translates to the pitch.  If we want to keep Celtic fans out of Tannadice then we need to turn up.  If we all treat it as a dead rubber then of course the club will take the silver lining of the extra cash and so they should.  Remember some fans, on other boards right enough, were freely admitting they'd sold their tickets to Celtic fans.  

I paid £40 for me and £25 for my lad.  OK for me, but that is pricing fans out of football.  So Celtic fans are entitled to make that point.  They need to make it to their own club too (which to be fair some think they are).  Chucking stuff on to the pitch to make the point however is unacceptable and defeats their point.  As for the 'fruit of their labour' pish and the sectarian nonsense, they can F off with that.  

I have to agree with Always on the hospitality point.  Inevitable that we aren't filling that and so Celtic fans will.  I was in the GF and to be fair to them I didn't hear them at all during the game - didn't notice they were there until the end.  Spoke to a couple of them and they seemed sound enough.  If the boot was on the other foot we'd do the same.  Plenty United fans in the Derry and Provie Road ends in '83.

All that said, let's draw a line under this and get back to supporting the team at Easter Road.  Win there and 3rd is on.

Sympathy for Goodwin? FFS. He lay down. Everyone with half a brain knew Manny and Vicko together was asking for disaster. An experienced Gallagher sitting on the bench while we get ripped to bits is beyond stupidity — it’s negligence. And that’s on Goodwin, nobody else. Sympathy? He should be apologising.Campbell worked hard? Fantastic. So what? This isn’t the under-12s where you get a pat on the back for trying. He was chasing shadows half the time. Sibbald was no better - cost us goals this season, Docherty invisibile - but don’t kid yourself into thinking Campbell put in some kind of shift that mattered. And Paton? Honestly, he should never pull on a United shirt again. Good guy, bad player — it's not saturday mornings at drumgeith.

Only one player — Jort — looked like he gave a toss, and that says everything about where we’re at.

As for the fans — you can’t seriously have a pop at the ones walking out. What do you want them to do, clap along while we get humiliated again? Turn up, pay through the nose for the “privilege” of watching their team fold, and then get told it’s their fault for not being positive enough? Behave. And £65 for two tickets is daylight robbery. Club should be ashamed. They gouged everyone, knowing full well what was coming, and you’re telling people they should just suck it up?

Hospitality full of Celtic fans is a disgrace too. “Sound enough”? Who cares? It’s our ground. Shouldn’t be happening. The fact that it has been normalised tells you how far the standards have slipped. No, I’m not ready to “draw a line” under it either. Saturday was a shameful day for the club on and off the pitch. And if the players and the manager don’t show some pride at Easter Road, then people are going to have every right to lose the plot properly

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Conway11 wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

Dust settled on Saturday and wanted to share my thoughts, some of which might be a little controversial.

Firstly the football.  I have a bit of sympathy for Goodwin as he put out a team, I think with one view to the remaining 4 winnable matches, but also one to have a bit of a go at Celtic.  It worked well for the first 25 minutes.  However, Manny and Vicko at CH was never going to work for 90 minutes.  It was a mistake to bench Gallagher unless he knows something we don't.  I don't get the hate for Campbell.  He worked hard throughout his time on the pitch and achieved about the same as any other United player.  For me he had a much better game than Sibbald.  Ruari Paton seems like a good guy.  Not good enough at football though.  Dalby needs to fall over more.  vdS might have been our best player!  The referee had his hoops on under his shirt.  All that said, that was a team that nearly beat Bayern in the Allianz and if they play well, which they did, then they'll put 5 past most teams in Scotland.  Sad but true.

On to fans, firstly United.  For those that throw the towel in before kick off and those that left before half time, what do you expect?  It was clear before a ball was kicked what the United fans expected and that translates to the pitch.  If we want to keep Celtic fans out of Tannadice then we need to turn up.  If we all treat it as a dead rubber then of course the club will take the silver lining of the extra cash and so they should.  Remember some fans, on other boards right enough, were freely admitting they'd sold their tickets to Celtic fans.  

I paid £40 for me and £25 for my lad.  OK for me, but that is pricing fans out of football.  So Celtic fans are entitled to make that point.  They need to make it to their own club too (which to be fair some think they are).  Chucking stuff on to the pitch to make the point however is unacceptable and defeats their point.  As for the 'fruit of their labour' pish and the sectarian nonsense, they can F off with that.  

I have to agree with Always on the hospitality point.  Inevitable that we aren't filling that and so Celtic fans will.  I was in the GF and to be fair to them I didn't hear them at all during the game - didn't notice they were there until the end.  Spoke to a couple of them and they seemed sound enough.  If the boot was on the other foot we'd do the same.  Plenty United fans in the Derry and Provie Road ends in '83.

All that said, let's draw a line under this and get back to supporting the team at Easter Road.  Win there and 3rd is on.

Sympathy for Goodwin? FFS. He lay down. Everyone with half a brain knew Manny and Vicko together was asking for disaster. An experienced Gallagher sitting on the bench while we get ripped to bits is beyond stupidity — it’s negligence. And that’s on Goodwin, nobody else. Sympathy? He should be apologising.Campbell worked hard? Fantastic. So what? This isn’t the under-12s where you get a pat on the back for trying. He was chasing shadows half the time. Sibbald was no better - cost us goals this season, Docherty invisibile - but don’t kid yourself into thinking Campbell put in some kind of shift that mattered. And Paton? Honestly, he should never pull on a United shirt again. Good guy, bad player — it's not saturday mornings at drumgeith.

Only one player — Jort — looked like he gave a toss, and that says everything about where we’re at.

As for the fans — you can’t seriously have a pop at the ones walking out. What do you want them to do, clap along while we get humiliated again? Turn up, pay through the nose for the “privilege” of watching their team fold, and then get told it’s their fault for not being positive enough? Behave. And £65 for two tickets is daylight robbery. Club should be ashamed. They gouged everyone, knowing full well what was coming, and you’re telling people they should just suck it up?

Hospitality full of Celtic fans is a disgrace too. “Sound enough”? Who cares? It’s our ground. Shouldn’t be happening. The fact that it has been normalised tells you how far the standards have slipped. No, I’m not ready to “draw a line” under it either. Saturday was a shameful day for the club on and off the pitch. And if the players and the manager don’t show some pride at Easter Road, then people are going to have every right to lose the plot properly

Still a bit angry Conway?  I think most of what we are saying is the same.  I've just calmed down more!

I think I said Goodwin got it wrong, but my sympathy is more that he could have put out any line up and we were getting beaten.

My comments on Campbell were more to do with the fact that he wasn't the worst on the pitch - you seem to agree - but he gets singled out as some folk have decided he is the worst before he's kicked a ball.  We agree on Paton and vdS!

On the fans comment my point is that if we turn up then Celtic fans don't get the chance.  Turnouts like Dundee and Aberdeen would push the club to give us the Shed against the Old Firm.  I'm sure the club would be delighted if that was the case.  I'm maybe not as emotionally bound as I used to be, but I never leave early.  I like watching the football too much.  The tone around the ground when we play the old firm is self defeating.  I'm not having a pop, it's just a fact.  Boys are entitled to do what the F they like but don't pretend that it has no effect on the boys on the pitch.  Personally I'd be happy if there was no drum, but you certainly noticed there was no drum in the second half.

I'm most definitely not telling fans to suck up £65 for an adult and concession to watch United.  Precisely the opposite.  It's a joke, but I'd rather the club took advantage of the SFPL giving us the 'privilege' of the title party and reminding Celtic how ridiculous their prices are for a seat without a view.

As for the hospitality, again I'm sure the club would rather have sold that to United fans.  Hospitality always has away fans in it - they are expected to behave and my point was, from what I saw, they did.  I care that they were 'sound' I watch a lot of football and I've lived outside Dundee for over 30 years and have gone to games (albeit lower league) for years.  I find most football fans to be, just that, football fans.  I've got no issue with lads following their team - that's what I do.  As I said, if the boot was on the other foot I'd expect to not be hassled if I ended up at hospitality at Celtic Park for our title winning game (dream on).  Would I have preferred us to fill our end - yes.  Do I blame the club for ripping Celtic fans for probably best part of £50K + for ticket and hospitality prices - no.  I get tribalism is part of football.  It's one of the attractions, but personally I don't tag all Celtic fans with the Green Brigade/sectarian behaviour (although do think more of them need to step up to sort it out) and yes the boys I spoke to were sound and I care that they were.

 

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Stillliving wrote:

My take on Gallaghers omission was JG was trying to press Celtic when they had the ball in their own half to the point it was man for man at the back. JG clearly thought Gallagher didn't have the pace to play that way.
I thought it was working reasonably well until Idah came on and exposed Seveljs lack of physicality.
Individuals like Paton & Middleton either couldn't be arsed or didn't have the fitness for a game plan like that.
I would expect to see Gallagher back in a 5 man defence against Hibs.
You do calm down with age I can remember kicking doors ect after losing 3-0 to Hearts In 86 & Redfords winner at Hampden in 81 the pain wears off, eventually.

I'd agree with that assessment - it was a gamble that Idah wouldn't start.  When he came on though Goodwin should have brought on Gallagher and moved Sevelj to sit in front of him and Manny.  He could have taken off either of Paton, Middleton or Sibbald (who was having a rare stinker).  Idah is stinking by the way big lad with pace but not good enough for Celtic.  Dalby is a better player.  Both his goals were a bit jammy.

Interesting on the calm down front.  I actually thought that Hearts team were the best I saw at Tannadice until Rangers and Celtic started spending big money (I include Barcelona in that).  Even then I think they would have competed.  Pleases me that Albert Kidd of all people burst their bubble.  Never liked Hearts since being hit by a golf ball with a nail through it chucked by them at Tannadice back in the 80s.  That was some team though as we were also very good that year.

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