Tek wrote:

The 2nd half is a prime example of why i have never really taken to Jim Goodwin.

When it's 'make or break' and everything's on the line, he'll always, ALWAYS show caution and go defensive.

A loser mentality.

 
Stuck up for Goodwin many a time since he arrived but nail on head here. A history of bottling it in cup competitions and now leaking into league form. An absolute loser mentality to set up in that fashion second half.

Tek wrote:

The 2nd half is a prime example of why i have never really taken to Jim Goodwin.

When it's 'make or break' and everything's on the line, he'll always, ALWAYS show caution and go defensive.

A loser mentality.

100% a loser mentality. I’ve gotten to the stage where I can’t wait till he’s gone.

First 45 mins we were excellent and well worth our 2 goal lead, not seen it back but Mani couldn't have been off by much.

Thought that both Middleton and Trapa were very good, Sevelj and Sibbs both played their part.

Two great headers from two great crosses had us very comfortable up until around the 70 min mark. I never really felt that uncomfortable at the game until their 1st goal went in.

Hanging on from there on and escaped with a point which I think everyone would have taken at the start of the game.

The game hinges on a few things for me and the biggest on is the depth of our squad.  They brought on Shinnie, we brought on VDS.

The drop off we have at present from put best 11 and the reserves is gigantic.  What are they doing, every game we have at least one player with a muscle injury, it's every fuckin week.

It was Gallaghers turn this week, seemed to rubbing his groin area early doors and has no doubt aggravated it even further.

Docherty, Ferry and Moult (remember him) all out and that leaves us with guys like VDS getting a game, that lad is hopeless in my opinion, but option did Goodwin have?

He could possibly have put on Babunski, but like Goodwin I don't think any of us are sold on that guy.

So we pick up a point and move on, no disaster but disappointed not to have collected all three, I suppose that how far we have come on.

Two weeks we have to get some of these guys back to at least play some part in the Derby, Gallagher, Docherty and Moult are three leaders and we will need them over the run in.

JGTA

CCX2 2010 wrote:

Tek wrote:

The 2nd half is a prime example of why i have never really taken to Jim Goodwin.

When it's 'make or break' and everything's on the line, he'll always, ALWAYS show caution and go defensive.

A loser mentality.

 
What would you have done differently?

LOL.

Told the boys at half time to go all out for the 3rd goal which kills the game off entirely.

I know you're a big fan, but c'mon mate. Even you must see that as on him today (for not winning).
 

CCX2 2010 wrote:

Tek wrote:

CCX2 2010 wrote:

 
What would you have done differently?

LOL.

Told the boys at half time to go all out for the 3rd goal which kills the game off entirely.

I know you're a big fan, but c'mon mate. Even you must see that as on him today (for not winning).
 

I'm not a fan of losing last minute goals mate, I'm not a fan of throwing away two goal leads either.

They made a few changes at half time and had nothing to lose, Morris made a difference for them as did Shinnie.

We brought on Fotheringham who had a poor game and VDS.

Sibbald just run out of gas and from then on i was clock watching.

This isn't on Goodwin, we collected another point today. It's either rotten luck with injuries or we are doing something fundamentally wrong in the warm ups.

Our squad is just not big enough to cope with three games in a week and injuries to our key players.

The subs were awful, and didn't improve us at all, in fact they made us poorer (a recurring theme, sadly).

It's not just about that though. It's a mentality with him, a mindset. You could see within two minutes of the re-start we were sitting far deeper. Why? That must come from the Manager.

18 points this season we have surrendered from a winning position. That is a pretty damning stat.
 

Tek wrote:

CCX2 2010 wrote:

Tek wrote:

LOL.

Told the boys at half time to go all out for the 3rd goal which kills the game off entirely.

I know you're a big fan, but c'mon mate. Even you must see that as on him today (for not winning).
 

I'm not a fan of losing last minute goals mate, I'm not a fan of throwing away two goal leads either.

They made a few changes at half time and had nothing to lose, Morris made a difference for them as did Shinnie.

We brought on Fotheringham who had a poor game and VDS.

Sibbald just run out of gas and from then on i was clock watching.

This isn't on Goodwin, we collected another point today. It's either rotten luck with injuries or we are doing something fundamentally wrong in the warm ups.

Our squad is just not big enough to cope with three games in a week and injuries to our key players.

The subs were awful, and didn't improve us at all, in fact they made us poorer (a recurring theme, sadly).

It's not just about that though. It's a mentality with him, a mindset. You could see within two minutes of the re-start we were sitting far deeper. Why? That must come from the Manager.

18 points this season we have surrendered from a winning position. That is a pretty damning stat.
 

It had more to do with Aberdeen playing with nothing to lose and just going for it.

I agree on the subs, but what would you have done? Who from that bench could have come on and made a difference,  possibly Babunski but he clearly doesn't trust him.

We had Stephenson playing at left back due to another injury to Ferry and ended up with VDS in midfield.

He played with wingers as some wanted, and finished the game with three strikers in Dalby VDS (don't laugh) and Fotheringham.

It's the middle of the park and has been all season, we just aren't strong enough in there and give up possession too easily. We urgently need our captain back!

CCX2 2010 wrote:

SuperMario wrote:

Subbies changed the game, seekner

Kai and jort subs never worked, really not understanding how Babunski has been completely bombed, we desperately needed someone to put there foot on the ball second half especially when sibbald went off

 
The drop off when Sibbald went off was clear to see, big VDS is like a drunk Elephant chasing a balloon.

That’s why it should have been Babunski.

kdyteejay wrote:

CCX2 2010 wrote:

SuperMario wrote:

Subbies changed the game, seekner

Kai and jort subs never worked, really not understanding how Babunski has been completely bombed, we desperately needed someone to put there foot on the ball second half especially when sibbald went off

 
The drop off when Sibbald went off was clear to see, big VDS is like a drunk Elephant chasing a balloon.

That’s why it should have been Babunski.

I agree mate but some reason he doesn't trust Dave, he didn't really set the Heather on fire at the start of the season but he can at least play football.

Due to Gallagher going off he might have stuck on VDS for his ability to get that massive heed of his on to dome crosses, who knows.

redford_must_score wrote:

There was 3 players in particular that I didn't want to see in the Aberdeen lineup - Shinnie, Dabbagh and Morris.

2-0 down they brought these 3 players on while we withdrew Trapanovski and added Fotheringham. The gulf in quality there is colossal. Complete gamechanger. That combined with losing Sibbald for VdS and sitting deeper just made it a matter of time before they got back level.

So in my opinion the reason for losing the lead was partly tactics but mostly a growing imbalance of quality off the bench. Not saying I'm excusing the manager but the difference in budget showed over the full 95 minutes.

We can go on about budgets and injuries, but one of the reasons our bench is so poor is because we have had a diabolical January window, and haven't strengthened or given ourselves better quality and options.

That's not just to do with budgets, it's simply, just poor recruitment.
 

Shedtastic wrote:

Everyone pointing out negativity and budgets, subbies etc but are missing out one major point.
Our players were totally running on fumes after 60 mins, 3 games in a week is killing us

Motherwell and Michael Wimmer lost to us, 1-0 a week past on Saturday.

In the subsequent six days they defeated Dundee at home 2-1, and Rangers 2-1 away. 3 games in a week not 'killing them'.

Ross County have won two in a three game week, also.

We, as a support need to stop making excuses for everything. Budgets, squad depth, games played, injuries, plastic pitches, VAR, etc etc.

We were winning 2-0 at half time today. In total control, and then decide to stop being a team who try to score. At any point in the half.

That to me is the biggest fundamental issue we face as United supporters. That propensity for going into our shells, collectively.
 

I'm with CCX and Redford here.  Difference was the strength off the bench.  Aberdeen changed it and just started to run at us.  With Gallagher off and a right back/mid at left back we were there for the taking.  When Sibbald went off (gubbed), Campbell also looked like he had run his race and Sevelj had also put in a power of work.  Babunski for me wasn't the right option.  There was no time to put your foot on the ball.  Haven't seen enough of Fiorini, but I'd have thought he was the better option than vdS.  vdS is fine if we are chasing a game, not when we are trying to get one across the line.  We really missed Ferry.  Not because Luca didn't play well - he did, but because if we get to bring Luca on for Sibbald at 68 minutes we don't lose that game.  Difference was a momentary lapse of concentration where we didn't close down in midfield and Jensen gets to play in Nisbet in a great position.  Close that down, they don't score and we'd have seen it out.  So we lost that because of squad depth.  Some of that is on Goodwin, but we've had a go at him for being cautious before - he was away from home against a team above us and we took the game to them first half.  We just ran out of steam - on to the Fun and picking up 3 points.  This 2 week gap is great for us.

Finn Seemann wrote:

I'm with CCX and Redford here.  Difference was the strength off the bench.  Aberdeen changed it and just started to run at us.  With Gallagher off and a right back/mid at left back we were there for the taking.  When Sibbald went off (gubbed), Campbell also looked like he had run his race and Sevelj had also put in a power of work.  Babunski for me wasn't the right option.  There was no time to put your foot on the ball.  Haven't seen enough of Fiorini, but I'd have thought he was the better option than vdS.  vdS is fine if we are chasing a game, not when we are trying to get one across the line.  We really missed Ferry.  Not because Luca didn't play well - he did, but because if we get to bring Luca on for Sibbald at 68 minutes we don't lose that game.  Difference was a momentary lapse of concentration where we didn't close down in midfield and Jensen gets to play in Nisbet in a great position.  Close that down, they don't score and we'd have seen it out.  So we lost that because of squad depth.  Some of that is on Goodwin, but we've had a go at him for being cautious before - he was away from home against a team above us and we took the game to them first half.  We just ran out of steam - on to the Fun and picking up 3 points.  This 2 week gap is great for us.

I partly agree with you here Finn but at the same time, I think Goodwin's decision making has to be questioned. Bringing on VdS for Sibbald was mental, and I can't be convinced that Babunski would've done worse for us. Putting on a centre forward, aware that some may disagree with calling VdS that btw, to play centre mid was a crazy decision.

If VdS was going to come on then it should have been for Dalby, who played well but looked knackered the last 20 mins. VdS one positive is he links play up well, and if anything we needed that up top with a midfielder such as Babunski or Fiorini taking the ball from the striker and picking the passes to the widemen to get us up the park.

Maybe I'm being harsh but I think the tiredness shown from the players also stemmed from the fact we set up to be so passive in the 2nd half. Mentally, it's easier to find that extra 10% when you're at least getting a few efforts on target and not just defending for 45 mins.