Always_United wrote:

Tek wrote:

redford_must_score wrote:

I like Jim Goodwin and overall he has done a great job but he HAS TO find a way of playing which includes football as it was designed to be played..

'If you want entertainment, go to the cinema'.
 

 
Totally agree.

Let's get back to playing ugly, and winning. Even if it's 1-0 with an own goal.

 
It doesn't have to be either or, does it?

It IS possible to play football AND win

Tek wrote:

redford_must_score wrote:

Tek wrote:

'If you want entertainment, go to the cinema'.
 

 
Kinda figured that part of my post would be singled out by someone.
I'm not asking for entertainment I'm asking for my football team to be able to construct a simple football move through midfield with more than 2 passes before it breaks down.

Mate, I'm with you.

Just quoting someone else from this forum.😎
 

 
Ah ok, cheers 😁

Sorry Japan, I was complimenting who I think have been our 3 best players this season. Gallacher & Holt have been thundering away thousands of headers all season, as recently as Saturday night which still rankles.

Agreed, Tam Court's 4th place trumped Jim Goodwin's current 3rd by a distance. #azalkmaar

Our current blip? It's been going all season, we've blipped our way into 3rd all along. Name our best wins this season. They're outnumbered by our biggest disappointments and I'm being honest, not negative.

I'm not knocking us tho it might seem like I am but I do think we need to give ourselves a tweak, we've been handed on a plate the advantage of 3rd place for weeks now so why not go out & give the bottom 9 a jolt & show them that we're worth it, we do have the tools.
 

Tangy wrote:

We've been handed nothing on a plate. We've recruited reasonably well (time will tell if that changes). We've got a system which makes us difficult to beat. It may not be pretty but it's effective. We've conceded the least goals outwith the old firm.  Our team works it's arse off for 90 minutes. We've been lucky in some of those games to take 3 points where you'd maybe say on balance a draw would be fair but equally We've had games where We've deserved at least a draw and been beaten.

Because the league is tight, doesn't make it sh!te. Just means all teams are pretty close in ability and We've found a way to win more than our opponents.

We are not prime Brazil but Goodwin has got a Goodwin style team - hard working, disciplined with a bit of flair at times. We've also had an extremely tough set of fixtures lately - January had both cheeks, the dee twice and jambos.

A very sensible post.

There's a clip from not 40 or 50 years but maybe 100 years Shakey where a polo neck clad goalie a yard off his line with ball in hand is barged by the big opposing centre forward not once, not twice, but thrice till he's over his line & the goal stands!
And you're right about our acting ability, in the Oscars league we're 12th but I'm proud of that & hope we don't change, it's a blight of football and stinks.
 

SlatefordArab wrote:

How many times do we see in a game now, not just recently but for years and years now, where a keeper goes into a crowd of players at a corner and gets a free kick if anybody even barely touches him?

And yet that goal on Saturday was fine? VAR don’t even advise the ref to go and look at it?

Honestly I find it bizarre.

We got done there, no two ways about it, and it still rankles.

What got me tho in the immediate aftermath was the number of our fans who couldn't do anything but blame the goalie, 'a goal all day long' was a typical comment. That boiled my piss so it did.

I'm hot on body language & Watkins runs off saying, 'I'm not getting this am I?'

If luck evens itself out we're due a few slices, that's for sure.
 

Conway11 wrote:

The defense is leaking goals, the midfield looks lost, and we’re offering next to nothing going forward. Other teams around us are finding ways to grind out results, but we’re just slipping further back. If he doesn’t sort this out ASAP, we’ll be looking over our shoulders real soon. This has been a terrible start to the new year and dare I say - looks like it its not changing.

Are you sure you've not been watching the Dee?  We are difficult to score against.  Our midfield was out of sorts against Killie (Stephenson and Sevelj look tired and Campbell looks like he needs some time to get used to his team mates) and I think we need more width than Goodwin seems to fancy, but they're not doing too bad.  You can at least see what he is trying to do.  We were a real threat against Rangers and should have scored against Killie.

Way too pessimistic Conway. There are always going to be challenges and periods of concern in this league with our resources, but there are plenty of teams below us with more issues.  We might not make Europe, but think we'll stay top six and that isn't a bad return given where we were this time last year.

And we might have been looking forward to a wee change, a home game in the last 16 of the Scottish Cup, this Saturday, but that's not happening either.

Btw Motherwell have beaten us 3 times out of 3 this season. It's not their games against us that got Dracula the sack.
 

United Arab Emarite wrote:

We're sitting on a league record LLWLL with the W in the middle a jammy 3 points at Paisley.
We have scored 2 goals in these 5 games.
With Celtic (A) we'll be 3 points out of 18. We then have M'well & Hibs both at home within the space of 4 days before the end of the month and if we don't get much out of them we'll be lucky to be in the top 6, never mind 3rd.
The performance at Killie was not good with the shitey goal against making it worse but we could do nothing about it. A great Stephenson pass to their one defender when we had a 3 on 2 and Middleton somehow splitting the goal & Dalby from the far post.
So I'm sorry cos I'm more on Conway's side here I'm afraid.

 

On that record, I'll comment on the games I attended/saw:

Killie (A) - played poorly but still never looked like losing a goal until Watkins fouled the keeper.  Should have scored a couple.  Not good, but we weren't exactly turned over!

Rangers (H) - played well against a good team who will always finish above us at the moment.  In it until 86th minute and probably deserved a draw.  Clement comments that he can see why we are third in the league.

St Mirren (A) - bar the pen (which wasn't) and the Walton save for the one on one didn't look likely to lose a goal.  A bit meh upfront but took our chance to win the game well.  Played better than we did at Killie and probably deserved the win.

Celtic (A) - like pretty much every other team in the league lost but not by a margin and received plaudits from Celtic fans.  Defensively soundish and took the game to them second half without totally shooting ourselves in the foot.

Hearts (H) - wasn't at it and didn't see it, but seems we were poor.  Still only lost a goal (and a jammy one at that) compared to the Dees 6-0 routing.

Overall a worrying trend of results but really only the Killie and Hearts games were truly disappointing and both of those we lost to very lucky goals.

As a United fan for years I am always wary of the next total arse collapse, but I just don't think this is it.  We've competed with all teams and have mastered most.  The cups have been disappointing but I'll take that for a top six finish in the first season back.  I have also been one of Goodwin's sharpest critics until this season.  He is still getting some things wrong and he is still too conservative, but we have come a very long way since he has taken over and even since the end of last season (where, for me, he only got pass marks for winning the league).

Third probably flatters us, but having got there it is far more deserved than the 4th place we achieved a couple of seasons ago.

Last edited by Finn Seemann (04/2/2025 6:44 pm)

Conway11 wrote:

The defense is leaking goals, the midfield looks lost, and we’re offering next to nothing going forward. Other teams around us are finding ways to grind out results, but we’re just slipping further back. If he doesn’t sort this out ASAP, we’ll be looking over our shoulders real soon. This has been a terrible start to the new year and dare I say - looks like it its not changing.

 
Watching a different Dundee United than me.

Brilliant defense this season and we offer lots going forward, things just ain't falling for us at present.

Dundee in the cup, hit the post and the keeper had the game of his life.

Rangers at home we had plenty of chances, very unlucky hitting the woodwork a few times.

Last week, hit the bar.

Fine margins.

Things will turn in a few weeks, keep the heed.

SuperMario wrote:

Embarrassing from Walton

Cannot believe we’ve lost that game

Jeeso man