Tekel Towers » Utd Vs Rangers

redford_must_score · 14/9/2024 11:38 am

Stillliving wrote:
This games all about belief. This is still a new team who haven't faced the 12 men of Rangers. I heard Adegboyega saying how thrilled he was to be a playing a team like Rangers. There is no space for any of that shite tomorrow.
W need to go out and try to win the game not trying not to lose it.

Think this particular group won't be overawed by any game this season and the new lads especially won't give a fk about them or their reputation . The attitude is spot on.

David_Blunkett · 15/9/2024 9:54 am

Unchanged XI.

You get away with Holt in midfield for a game or two, but v this lot, I think that's a mistake.

Morphman · 15/9/2024 1:27 pm

David_Blunkett wrote:
Unchanged XI.

You get away with Holt in midfield for a game or two, but v this lot, I think that's a mistake.

You called it.

Terrible first 20, once we went 433 we looked much much better. Improved more once Holt got hooked. However, we could've played all day and not scored despite dominating possession.

We SEVERELY lacked that pacey option up front that we needed in the summer, everything was in front of them and we didn't have the options to open up their defence and get some shots away.

Played well without really doing anything. Final point, Fair play to Goodwin for recognising his tactical error early but should never have given them the respect that we did to start.

Tangy · 15/9/2024 1:53 pm

I'd forgotten what it's like playing them. Crowding the ref (although isn't it just meant to be captains?), the 50 50s which go against you. The yellows being handed out like sweeties.

A slow start but we grew into the game. Wished we could have challenged a bit more in the last third. Maybe giving dalby a d moult 10cminutes more could have helped. Maybe a sign of where we are.

To me, a sign both of how far we've come and how poor they are was their fans whistling for full time and players wasting time.

We competed and didn't look outclassed . Big picture, I think we'll be just fine. Hoped for a little more though

Stillliving · 15/9/2024 2:32 pm

First 20m was shocking that can't be glossed over.
Changing the formation helped, getting more bodies into central midfield allowed us to get into the game.
Holt was exposed playing against the highest level opposition we have played so far.
Docherty in his 60m was my M.O.M. surely he has done enough to keep his spot for Friday.
Overall the best team won but we are close enough to them to take points in the next meetings.

Slotbadger · 15/9/2024 2:56 pm

Agree with everyone so far. Docherty changed the game when he came on. We also stopped punting the ball up the park and pressing them much higher up the pitch when sibbald was freed by Doc.

Thought we controlled the game after the changes without looking too threatening. Trap and Graham should have scored. Rangers still looked dangerous on the break at times. But they were playing a lot of long balls and time wasting for most of the 2nd half.

Also, very happy to see Goodwin learning and changing things early. Particularly Dunfermline last season he was stubborn. Refreshing to see and I think he made good decisions at the right times today.

Overall frustrating afternoon as I think they were there for the taking.

RogerTheAlien · 15/9/2024 3:15 pm

Disappointed we never got a point in the end but we didn’t trouble butland enough despite having a fair bit of the ball at times too which is frustrating. 1-0 them was probably fair in the end because they were also very wasteful in the final 3rd.

Wrong decision from Goodwin to start Holt but i don’t think he’ll make that call again. Docherty was excellent when he come on, surely he’s up to speed now. I would’ve had Miller Thomson on for Luca, we were crying out for pace.

I like big Jort up top, he has a cracking work rate and hold up play but we need a goal scorer on beside him.

Billy_Hainey · 15/9/2024 7:37 pm

For 24 mins there was no motivation. We sat deep, sat off them, sat back, and it cost us the goal.

We were better efter that, certainly in the 2nd half. Actually thought we deserved a point, but we only had aboot 6 attempts. Was there any on target. (Did Butland actually mak a save?). And there lies the problem.

A lot of fowk saying the Leagues ahriddy won. Well it aint gonna be they chunts. Thir phuckin p1sh.

supermariobilateworld · 15/9/2024 10:07 pm

I thought after the first 30 minutes we were generally quite good or maybe Rangers est 2012 were very poor considering they're supposed to be challenging the other arse cheek for the title... out of possession was pretty encouraging and i think we're good enough to give anyone a game. Maybe just need another signing or two in January (ffs united) and passports may be needing looked out...

Tek · 16/9/2024 12:18 am

I was disappointed with that today.

Sure we were better in the 2nd half and started getting up the park but we never looked like scoring or laid a glove on them. No shots on target at home and Butland not called into even one save. Our main tactic at the moment seems to revolve around set-pieces and trying to get the ball into the box via free-kicks, corners and long throw in's. But all too often our delivery into the box was poor.

We are not really creating from open play and that is a worry. Only one goal scored from a Striker this season (Louis Moult). And even that was against Stenhousemuir at home two months ago. Doubly concerning is VDS hasn't even looked like scoring. I can only recall his chance at County when he (wrongly) squared it to Miller Thomson.

I'm really not sold yet on the 343. We were better shape wise (and on the ball) once Docherty and Babunski went central. I hope the Holt experiment is now over.

The best we played this season (by miles) was the first hour against Dundee when we created numerous chances. That day Sevelj was RWB and Miller Thomson RW and we've missed that width a wee bit since.

On Friday i'd consider going 352. Docherty-Babunski-Stephenson in the middle. Ferry and Thomson wide. Two Strikers.

One other frustration for me is how weak we are at RW. Doubly frustrating given it's the area of the team we have probably the most options (Thomson, Meshak, Fotheringham, Middleton). Currently none of them are getting any minutes and Fotheringham ain't even making the bench. Playing Babunski there is wasting his talent and has to stop now.

To end on a positive. Docherty was good when he came on and looks like he does have what it takes at this level. And i thought Adegboyega was good, but i understand why he was sacrificed. Walton done well too.

Finally,

Don't give they bastards The Shed ever again.

lifesanocean · 16/9/2024 5:38 am

I'd play this on Friday:

Walton

Stephenson
Gallagher
Graham
Ferry

Docherty
Sibbald

Thomson
Babunski
Trapanovski

Moult

4-2-3-1.

Macho Man · 16/9/2024 7:06 am

lifesanocean wrote:
I'd play this on Friday:

Walton

Stephenson
Gallagher
Graham
Ferry

Docherty
Sibbald

Thomson
Babunski
Trapanovski

Moult

4-2-3-1.

I would love to see that team.

I missed the game yesterday due to family commitments and only saw the highlights which, I assume, were edited to show Rangers in as good alight as possible.

Quick question for you all, how do you think our performance rated whilst playing 4-3-3, when compared to the 3-4-3 that has been favoured so far this season? It appears from what I've heard that it seemed that it was a better level of performance than the majority of what we have seen this season and it should allow us to get more out of players like Babunski, who has the potential to be a match winner?

I'm not sold on 3-4-3, but prior to the Rangers game it has served us well. The cracks appeared yesterday, but was that due to the tactics/formation, was that due to not having the correct personnel playing (considering the opposition), or was that due to us just having an off day?

David_Blunkett · 16/9/2024 7:10 am

I think as soon as Strain is back fit we should be looking to play Sevelj or Stephenson as the second central midfielder with Docherty.

Sibbald is ok, he gives his all but I think we need a better option in there.

kiwiarab · 16/9/2024 7:50 am

On the shed thing, their manager said after the game something like "today was like a home game for us".

If the people inside tannadice hear that, surely we keep it for united fans next time we play then, even if it means we take a financial hit.

Finn Seemann · 16/9/2024 8:16 am

Canadian Arab wrote:
Agree with pretty much everything written.

I can see why Goodwin would stick with the team that secured 3 clean sheets. On paper, having Holt in front of the back 3 should be the "most defensive" set-up we have to stop them coming through the middle. But they had the quality further back to bypass what little press we were able to mount, and move the ball forward really quickly through our lines. I don't think we were sitting off them, as much as we couldn't get near them. One touch football is very hard to defend against.

Credit to Goodwin for changing the shape after a little over 15 minutes and then making the sub shortly after that. Holt can do a job in that CDM role in a 5-4-1 against most teams but not against a team moving the ball that quickly. I wonder if a few more folk will start to accept that Jim Goodwin has the potential to be a very good manager for us, and is worth sticking with, in view of how he dealt with that today?

The change of shape cut off the supply and got us right back into the game, but as everyone else has said, it didn't translate into goal threat. Against the majority of teams we'll still create and score, but it's hard to see where goals will come from against the best teams. Probably set pieces is our best bet. In that regard, I wish our lads would be a bit more off-the-cuff. When we would win a throw in their half and one of our players had the ball in their hands then dropped it to leave it for Ross Graham, the The Rangers players never tracked Graham as he jogged across to take the throw. Just once, take a quick throw-in to an unmarked Graham and we've got a 2-on-1 in a wide position. Not everything has to come directly from an iPad or magnetic whiteboard.

I like big Jorte's work rate up front, but not once has he looked like a goal threat and his "assists" stat is no better than average. I think Moult at least could have been on 10 or 15 minutes earlier. Not that he'll be the answer to all our problems, but he's got something to prove and he definitely gets himself into scoring positions more often than VDS.

My take-home from today was that we have a team that should be good enough (a) to stay up, (b) to challenge for top 6, and (c) with a favourable draw, maybe get to a final. We'll give a few of the top teams a fright and I don't see us getting blown away by anyone. But to take the next step, we'll need a bit more pace in forward areas to get defenders turned.

Agree with most of that. For someone who has questioned Goodwin's stubbornness I was impressed he spotted the issue and made a successful change to the formation and line up to combat it. It did however underline that Babunski is no use other than in the middle and that despite working hard VDS and Trapa are pretty toothless. Also, if we go behind in a game we don't look like a team who can do that much about it. A poor Rangers side contained us pretty easily.

Also, delighted if I am proved wrong, but Moult is finished at this level and should have been moved on and been replaced in the summer.

Finn Seemann · 16/9/2024 8:20 am

Tek wrote:
I was disappointed with that today.

Sure we were better in the 2nd half and started getting up the park but we never looked like scoring or laid a glove on them. No shots on target at home and Butland not called into even one save. Our main tactic at the moment seems to revolve around set-pieces and trying to get the ball into the box via free-kicks, corners and long throw in's. But all too often our delivery into the box was poor.

We are not really creating from open play and that is a worry. Only one goal scored from a Striker this season (Louis Moult). And even that was against Stenhousemuir at home two months ago. Doubly concerning is VDS hasn't even looked like scoring. I can only recall his chance at County when he (wrongly) squared it to Miller Thomson.

I'm really not sold yet on the 343. We were better shape wise (and on the ball) once Docherty and Babunski went central. I hope the Holt experiment is now over.

The best we played this season (by miles) was the first hour against Dundee when we created numerous chances. That day Sevelj was RWB and Miller Thomson RW and we've missed that width a wee bit since.

On Friday i'd consider going 352. Docherty-Babunski-Stephenson in the middle. Ferry and Thomson wide. Two Strikers.

One other frustration for me is how weak we are at RW. Doubly frustrating given it's the area of the team we have probably the most options (Thomson, Meshak, Fotheringham, Middleton). Currently none of them are getting any minutes and Fotheringham ain't even making the bench. Playing Babunski there is wasting his talent and has to stop now.

To end on a positive. Docherty was good when he came on and looks like he does have what it takes at this level. And i thought Adegboyega was good, but i understand why he was sacrificed. Walton done well too.

Finally,

Don't give they bastards The Shed ever again.

Agree with all of this. Thomson should be getting a chance and I do think Fotheringham should be on the bench. With the personnel we currently have we need to get the latter capable of playing the 'Moult' role, but better. Hope that is being worked on in training as Moult doesn't have the pace any more.

RogerTheAlien · 16/9/2024 9:00 am

kiwiarab wrote:
On the shed thing, their manager said after the game something like "today was like a home game for us".

If the people inside tannadice hear that, surely we keep it for united fans next time we play then, even if it means we take a financial hit.

The money grabber in charge doesn’t care about us, only cash. Never happening until us fans take a real stance against it.

Last edited by RogerTheAlien (16/9/2024 9:01 am)

Macho Man · 16/9/2024 9:40 am

Maybe selling out the Shed to the The Rangers fans (along with associated food sales) is just a sensible business decision.

If we were rolling in cash then we could easily take a 'fuck them' approach to giving so may tickets over to opposition fans. Given how much debt we are in, when you compare selling out the shed to opposition fans with getting 500 screaming school kids in there, there is only one sensible decision to be made.

I'm glad that the supporters don't run the club as we would make decision with out hearts and not our heads which would probably ruin United.

Stillliving · 16/9/2024 12:26 pm

Giving Rangers the Shed probably makes UTD around 60-70K. Play the bigot brothers 3or 4 x a season could equate to around 250k no way can we turn that down.

Morphman · 16/9/2024 12:57 pm

I'd actually be interest in how much giving away the shed actually makes the club. My understanding is that the cost of policing events (not just football) has increased substantially, and there was a noticeably higher level of police around tannadice. All of them doing fuck all mind you but that's a different story...

Surely the increased policing level must eat considerably in to whatever profit is made off an extra 2/3k tickets sales.

Billy_Hainey · 16/9/2024 6:51 pm

Anither thing about these chunts.

Pray tell me, but is there no meant to be parking restrictions in between Arklay St, Proavy Road etc etc.

I mean, the Coonsil supposedly puts in Parking Restrictions in aroond the twa grunds, but they let ah these Orc buses in, parking on paveys, blocking them etc.

Stillliving · 16/9/2024 7:05 pm

Billy_Hainey wrote:
Anither thing about these chunts.

Pray tell me, but is there no meant to be parking restrictions in between Arklay St, Proavy Road etc etc.

I mean, the Coonsil supposedly puts in Parking Restrictions in aroond the twa grunds, but they let ah these Orc buses in, parking on paveys, blocking them etc.

Add In the supporter information from Police Scotland " any supporter in possession of a pyrotechnic will be arrested '
I certainly saw a number of pyrotechnics but didn't see any arrests.
2 tier policing is catching on.

Shakey Isles Arab · 16/9/2024 10:14 pm

Hate they scum.
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Early days but yet to be convinced by Dalby.
VDS runs tirelessly for 70 then gets the hook.
I reckon he'd go the 90 so I'm no seeing why he and Moult aren't tried.

Barista's throw-ins excellent but can get a bit predictable - a bit like 2 men out for the corners last year.

Give young Miller a bit more of a run Jim.

Lots of positives as noted.
If we were playing them tommorow I'd have nae fear.

BMT · 17/9/2024 6:32 am

I came away from the game a bit disappointed that we didn’t atleast get a draw or have a real go at them but as plenty have said there were positives in that we can compete against the top teams in the league. 0 shots on target tells it own story and instead of bringing on 2 centre forwards and taking off our most creative midfielder I would have liked him to put on Miller and Meshack and told them to have a go at them.

kdyteejay · 18/9/2024 8:43 am

kiwiarab wrote:
On the shed thing, their manager said after the game something like "today was like a home game for us".

If the people inside tannadice hear that, surely we keep it for united fans next time we play then, even if it means we take a financial hit.

Totally agree but United won’t take that hit.