I think if anyone is to blame, it's Hearts for acting unethically. They know he was offered a deal and they know United should be given compensation.

They've got off on a technicality, and it's no shock to see the anti-United elements of the SPFL twice in a week.

AlwaysUnited wrote:

I think if anyone is to blame, it's Hearts for acting unethically. They know he was offered a deal and they know United should be given compensation.

They've got off on a technicality, and it's no shock to see the anti-United elements of the SPFL twice in a week.

 
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Jesus wept

Given this has been cited as one of our revenue streams I would like the club to come out and advise how this happened and how they will ensure it does not happen again.

I doubt it will happen but you can always hope.

Most of here guessed this would be the result, its just becoming the norm now.

Only a few lunatics will want to move on, the Americans need to review our policies and put in checks and balances to prevent the novices from making more errors.

Tangy wrote:

I'm more inclined to support the club than shout about how it's fucked - but this isn't good.
I'm not saying heads should roll but we've given hearts a first team player, for nothing.

As a side note, hearts and Robbie Neilston can go and fu k themselves too

I support the club alright Tangy and through my subs through the Foundation for youth development.

Heads should roll for this one imo. Gross misconduct spunking best part of 200 grand in shear incompetence, he was after all a football agent who should be well versed in contractual obligations that the club have to fulfill legally.

I fully expect the Foundation to seek assurances that a repeat will never happen again before investing cash in the clubs youth policy.

A fuck up letting the guy go, should have been tied up on a new contract way before his deal expired.  An even bigger fuck up that it seems we never even offered him a deal in the appropriate manner to cover our arses for compo.

AlwaysUnited wrote:

I think if anyone is to blame, it's Hearts for acting unethically..

They owe us nothing ffs (ethically and now literally).

In fact in business if you see the opportunity to get one over a rival, it is a dereliction of duty not to take it.

Bottom line is the correct procedures should have been followed by our Sporting Director, to not allow Hearts the chance to 'get one over us'.

Embarrassing and amateurish.
 

A friend of mine who happens to be a football agent  sent this when asked.

'Rules are pretty black & white. As Neilson will NOT reach the age of 23, during his first season with Hearts, United were due compensation---
PROVIDING United made him a written offer, 14 days before expiry of his existing contract. This must go to "last known address" or delivered personally. Financially the new offer must at least equal the current deal.
It beggars belief that United didn't know this, & that their claim has been groundless from the outset.
Shambles!'

Fidel_Castro wrote:

A friend of mine who happens to be a football agent sent this when asked.

'Rules are pretty black & white. As Neilson will NOT reach the age of 23, during his first season with Hearts, United were due compensation---
PROVIDING United made him a written offer, 14 days before expiry of his existing contract. This must go to "last known address" or delivered personally. Financially the new offer must at least equal the current deal.
It beggars belief that United didn't know this, & that their claim has been groundless from the outset.
Shambles!'

They also have to have proof that the offer has been received which clearly they didnt bother to get. major fuckup from TA
 

AlwaysUnited wrote:

Fidel_Castro wrote:

A friend of mine who happens to be a football agent sent this when asked.

'Rules are pretty black & white. As Neilson will NOT reach the age of 23, during his first season with Hearts, United were due compensation---
PROVIDING United made him a written offer, 14 days before expiry of his existing contract. This must go to "last known address" or delivered personally. Financially the new offer must at least equal the current deal.
It beggars belief that United didn't know this, & that their claim has been groundless from the outset.
Shambles!'

Its easy to sit on the sidelines quoting obscure rule books, but I maintain Hearts are to blame for this, not United.

The clubs in this league are supposed to act in the best interests of the league as a whole, and exploiting little known loopholes is frankly underhand.

Questions should be asked of the players agent too - if the contract wasn't forthcoming he should be alerting the club, not running to potential suitors.

But either way, it's time to move on. Huge game coming up on Sat and the players need us to focus on that. Big away support, big performance, big 3 points.
 

Oh fuck off, your mate/idol didn't do his job properly, simple as that and he's cost the club upwards of a quarter million pounds.
The silence from Tannadice if deafening, Tony's media bandwagon will be well instructed to keep quiet about this, or else.
 

A player who might go on to better things has walked, for free, it's a fuck up, whether it's TA, someone under him who's responsibility it is to type up, send, offer the contract is at fault, it's cost the club a development fee, which would've been decided by tribunal. So lets not talk of 4-500k as fact, in theory it could be less than half of that.

It's a fuck up, whatever way you look at it and ultimately that's on Tony.

But hear me out.

Lewis Neilson was a young lad, who'd played less than 20 games for us, spent a lot of his time on loan.

Now, maybe the club just didn't see the potential that a lot of our fans appear to see, maybe they thought that he might not ever make it.

So, they held off making a decision on his future not contemplating that other teams might see things differently. Suddenly a bigger, wealthier team shows interest/contacts the player.

The player speaks to the then manager Courts, who thinks he should sign, but cannot give him the guarantee that he'll get any significant game time.

The player now has Robbie Neilson in his ear, promising him game time, more wages, his own scarf to twirl, the lot.

United think, Hearts? Fuck them, they now offer a contract because a team that can afford a fee, should be paying a fee.

Perhaps we might've not been fussed if he moved on, to a lesser team, a lower division, but to a rival that's different.

We've offered a deal to try and make a bit of cash but we've missed a deadline, maybe it's as simple as that.

Over the years, when players are just hitting the 1st team, they get a bit of interest, seen as a saleable asset and are tied to a deal, then move on, but the deal ensures we're compensated. United over the years have probably sold plenty players before we got the real benefit from them, but we've always ensured deals were signed so we were compensated.

So what's different here, why wasn't a deal done? Were we that bothered? Or is it pure incompetence?

I don't think we'll ever find out and I doubt that anyone would've raised an eyebrow if he left under FOC and went to the like of Ross County or Partick Thistle.

Declan Glass who most can see has a fair amount of talent, but is built like the gable end of a visa card, was given a new deal in plenty of time, Mochrie? as well.

I might be way off here, but for one player not to be done properly suggests a lack of enthusiasm from the club to get it done.




 

AlwaysUnited wrote:

David_Blunkett wrote:

A player who might go on to better things has walked, for free, it's a fuck up, whether it's TA, someone under him who's responsibility it is to type up, send, offer the contract is at fault, it's cost the club a development fee, which would've been decided by tribunal. So lets not talk of 4-500k as fact, in theory it could be less than half of that.

It's a fuck up, whatever way you look at it and ultimately that's on Tony.

But hear me out.

Lewis Neilson was a young lad, who'd played less than 20 games for us, spent a lot of his time on loan.

Now, maybe the club just didn't see the potential that a lot of our fans appear to see, maybe they thought that he might not ever make it.

So, they held off making a decision on his future not contemplating that other teams might see things differently. Suddenly a bigger, wealthier team shows interest/contacts the player.

The player speaks to the then manager Courts, who thinks he should sign, but cannot give him the guarantee that he'll get any significant game time.

The player now has Robbie Neilson in his ear, promising him game time, more wages, his own scarf to twirl, the lot.

United think, Hearts? Fuck them, they now offer a contract because a team that can afford a fee, should be paying a fee.

Perhaps we might've not been fussed if he moved on, to a lesser team, a lower division, but to a rival that's different.

We've offered a deal to try and make a bit of cash but we've missed a deadline, maybe it's as simple as that.

Over the years, when players are just hitting the 1st team, they get a bit of interest, seen as a saleable asset and are tied to a deal, then move on, but the deal ensures we're compensated. United over the years have probably sold plenty players before we got the real benefit from them, but we've always ensured deals were signed so we were compensated.

So what's different here, why wasn't a deal done? Were we that bothered? Or is it pure incompetence?

I don't think we'll ever find out and I doubt that anyone would've raised an eyebrow if he left under FOC and went to the like of Ross County or Partick Thistle.

Declan Glass who most can see has a fair amount of talent, but is built like the gable end of a visa card, was given a new deal in plenty of time, Mochrie? as well.

I might be way off here, but for one player not to be done properly suggests a lack of enthusiasm from the club to get it done.




 

 
Some brilliant points and you are absolutely spot on. If United wanted to keep him they would have, end of. We didn't so he leaves. United have done nothing wrong here.

You really are a balloon, one second it was Hearts fault for being unethical and now we didn't want to keep him.
I'm convinced you're not even an Arab, just a weirdo that gets his kicks posting shite on here.