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22/4/2021 7:51 am  #26


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21/4/21 KILMARNOCK (A) ALAN MUIR. I'll deal with bookings first, he booked 3, 2 of us (Hoti & Sporle) & one of them (Lafferty). To be fair the Hoti one could have been earlier (Hoti appears to be abit of a fouler which is ok, we need bite) whilst the Sporle one must be the softest booking this season so a contrast there. Got to be said Lafferty on Liam Smith early on was a nasty one. He awarded 37 fouls which is an awful lot, that's about two normal games worth. Was it that sort of game, didn't appear so, something to do with the playing surface? It should have been 38 fouls when Robson was pushed over the bye line as he was preparing to cross near the end. Overall tho so-so, Fuch's penalty was probably one even tho it was an unnecessary challenge from a United angle. Fuchs is like a wee terrier snapping at heels tho you don't want to be doing that in your penalty box. So was torn between a 6 & 7 mark but for inconsistencies & that we lost 3-0 I'm giving him a huffy 6/10. Looking ahead to Sunday at Pittodrie we've got Kevin Clancy who last did us in March, 0-0 v Celtic at Tanners.

 

27/4/2021 8:35 am  #27


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25/4/21 ABERDEEN (A) KEVIN CLANCY. Still wallowing in pride after that superb team performance & in such circumstance couldn't give a monkey's about the ref. However...Clancy started off fine but the longer the game went on the poorer he got I thought. Similar to Celtic in the 0-0 game at Tannadice last month he was fine for a half & then started booking at random, 7 that day, 6 on Sunday, 4 of them ours, Harkes' one very harsh. A stand-out stat tho is that we fouled 31 times which is enormous (they conceded 10) but it didn't seem like that. Sounds like we were breaking up play all over the pitch but how come cos we were so fluent too. In fairness I thought he could have booked Butcher one foul earlier & wonder how Jeando kept his name out of the book. Anyway no reds (MM saw to that), no controversy over pens (tho tug on Lawrence late on, you've seen them given) so all-in-all he deserves no more than an incosistent 6/10

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27/4/2021 9:20 am  #28


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Sorry, need to edit that a bit...Contradict myself saying Clancy too card-happydespite being lenient with Butcher & Fuchs. The number of fouls concede by us (31) seems incredibly high (I must look up some past games & see what the going rate is). Dons players, notably Kamberi, were fooling Clancy all over the pitch. Tho to be fair one of Aberdeen's 10 conceded fouls that led to Edwards' goal from Clark's free kick was bought by McNulty. Despite all that it was a relatively easy game to referee (unlike Killie v St M last nite for example) but I just think Clancy lost concentration as the game went on. But if only for overseeing our best performance ot the season by a country mile I'll upgrade him to 7/10.

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27/4/2021 11:38 pm  #29


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6/10
Side note on foul he gave which lead to Edwards goal ........ jeez Clark's good wi' a dead ball.

 

04/5/2021 4:57 pm  #30


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1/5/21 ROSS COUNTY (H) KEVIN CLANCY. Didn't actually see this game (lucky me) so going on the assessment of a mate. So Kev was back for more & must be puzzled as much as the fans were by the contrasting performances. I'm hearing the word inconsistency about him & players buying fouls again, maybe a bit naive then? Having said that at Aberdeen we fouled a whopping 31 times, v Ross County just 11 fouls. Remarkably too we never recived a single booking which might even be a first for this season? They got two booked. So an innocuous 7/10 for Kev it is.

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11/5/2021 1:45 pm  #31


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8/5/21 HIBS (N) BOBBY MADDEN. Much made of their offside goal & rightly so even tho it probably wasn't the difference between losing & drawing, we deprived ourselves to a certain extent. Glad it was a yard offside cos there was no was it or wasn't it, it was just a howler by the assistant. Not Basher's fault obviously, he's one of our better refs with much European experience. But can call him to task over Butcher's very early booking, thon was a legal tackle, it was the whole ball that saw some studs, not the diving & squealing Boyle. He also booked Robson & Edwards & just Porteous for them. And when Porteous later in the 2nd half kicked the ball away at his conceding a free kick you saw our players reminding the ref he'd already been booked. And Hibs, the longer the game went on, were good at the annoying kicking the ball away without punishment. There was an average number of fouls (24), equally conceded. Obviously the assistant gets **** all, I mean it's not that hard, I hope he suffered retribution, are they taken to task?. Biggest niggle wasn't Madden but he's getting just 6/10.

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14/5/2021 3:06 pm  #32


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12/5/21 MOTHERWELL (H) DAVID DICKINSON. I'd heard of him as a ref before but maybe only cos he's got the same name as the elaborately-tailored antiques man. Ref DD is a novice at SPFL Prem level, this was only his 2nd game in the Prem, his only other one St J v Hibs in March. He's been refing in the Champ & Lges 1 & 2. He did look a bit fresh-faced & early on I was admiring him not blowing for petty fouls and in the end he had awarded a modest 21 fouls. He booked 3 of them & one of us (Butcher of course despite only being on the pitch for the last 20 mins). Think he also booked Graham Alexander. He's got previous there, in the Betfred St M v Rangers in December he sent off Jim Goodwin foe a get-it-right-up-you gesture celebrating the win. Couldn't happen to a nicer man. Anyway for David Dickinson's 2nd-ever Prem game I'm giving him a fresh 8/10, I quite enjoyed his style & his awarding us a softee pen. Could be a ref for the future.

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19/5/2021 11:13 am  #33


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15/5/21 ST. MIRREN (A) EUAN ANDERSON. First time we'd had him this season. He's 38 and has ref'd 25 games this season, mostly in the Prem, some C'ship. He's also 4th Official'd in Europe (which sounds like a bit of a jolly) a few times so maybe heading for FIFA classification. Main talking point was him sending off Jamie Robson. I would not have been shouting for a red if it was the other way out. But refs like nothing better than a lunge, especially if a stud is involved. Funny our only other red this season was Nick Walsh's on Pawlett v Livi at home in Feb & as I recall it was a very similar challenge. Anderson booked two of us & one of them & awarded just 19 fouls. I really think a yellow would have been more than enough, Robson is very tenacious but not malicious. So I'm giving Euan Anderson a niggardly 6/10 for the last refwatch of the season.

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20/5/2021 10:26 am  #34


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That's some summation CA & referees will know Law 12 verbatim. Interpretation is the tricky part & I honestly don't envy them tho £800 is better than a slap in the face. Decision making must take place within a couple of seconds, it's not easy. Who'd be a referee & who'd be a goalie are two of life's unanswered questions.
I do wish some of them showed a wee bit more individuality attimes tho, interpreting out of the box sort of thing, maybe even a modicum of humour tho that's maybe stretching things in today's society.
Your player getting a red rescinded is an example of a referee getting the rule wrong but that is very rare I think. Like I say they could reel Rule 12 off word perfect.

Btw two big hitters are refing the Prem play-off final. John Beaton tonite & Bobby Madden Sunday.

 

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20/5/2021 11:24 am  #35


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Wow !  Good work CA.
Are we appealing ?
How long do we have to appeal ?

As you say CA Reckless = Yellow
Notwithstanding which application of a wee bit nous you'd think would have told ref there was no malice there.  
St Mirren guy should have been given an Oscar.

 

20/5/2021 11:35 am  #36


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Shakey Isles Arab wrote:

Wow !  Good work CA.
Are we appealing ?
How long do we have to appeal ?

As you say CA Reckless = Yellow
Notwithstanding which application of a wee bit nous you'd think would have told ref there was no malice there.  
St Mirren guy should have been given an Oscar.

That's well put Shakey, no malice from JR, he's just a tenacious, full-blooded tackler who enjoys a 50/50.
When a certain current Prem manager ended a United player's career with a triple leg break 10 years ago, then there was malice, allegedly.
And the **** stayed on the park.
 

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31/5/2021 12:12 pm  #37


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So since starting REFWATCH on 27th January we played 18 games with 13 different refs.
Kevin Clancy ref'd us 3 games.
Don Robertson 2.
Nick Walsh 2
Bobby Madden 2
John Beaton, Gavin Duncan, Grant Irvine, David Munro, Greg Aitken, Steven McLean, Alan Muir, David Dickinson, Euan Anderson all once.
Lowest mark awarded over the 18 games was a miserable 2/10, the highest mark a perfect 10/10.
So JOHN BEATON, don't darken our doorstep again.
And STEVEN McLEAN, you're welcome anytime.
The relevant games - Beaton v St Mirren at Tannadice 27th Jan, we lost 5-1. It was 1-0 them on 40 mins but before half time Beaton had awarded not one but two farcical penalties.
Steven McLean's finest hour and a half was our Sc Cup tie v Partick at Tannadice on April 3rd. He had an excellent game, good decisions, not over-fussy with fouls or bookings, good body language, allround he was effective without being showy.
Runer-up for the wooden spoon was Gavin Duncan with a 5/10 for Hibs at home (0-2).
2nd place for the golden whistle was shared between Greg Aitken (Aberdeen home) & Bobby Madden (Accies away). Both got 9s out of 10.
Btw Clancy's 3 times refing us ended up with three 7s which was indeed  the average mark awarded  over the 18 games.

It's maybe worth remembering in the overall scheme of things that refing is not an easy job & if you do it well you are doing well. I mean what are you meant do when you're given 2.5 seconds to assess a 50/50 penalty decision?

REFWATCH will be back in July with further scrutiny over the men in the middle.

 

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31/5/2021 3:34 pm  #38


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Cheers SmeDUm keep up the good work as I didn't usually give any thought to the Ref's once the game was finished apart from the usual "ref had a nightmare " 👍

 

13/6/2021 9:35 pm  #39


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Just when you thoight REFWATCH had left the building...

NO Scottish refs were selected for the Euros.
This despite Willie Collum being on the UEFA Elite list & Bobby Madden & John Beaton in the category below.
Last Scottish ref to officiate at a major tournament was Collum at the 2016 Euros but he wasn't used after the group stages.

So maybe they are sh!te! Or is it because UEFA doesn't rate the SPFL very highly?

Btw there are just two English refs selected. I think one was doing the fateful Denmark v Finland game last night.

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16/6/2021 9:37 pm  #40


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Is it not because we don't have VAR in Scotland. 

When the refs mentioned about ref in Europe they need a European Ref to do VAR

 

06/7/2021 11:31 pm  #41


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That referee in tonight's semi Italy v Spain was absolutely brilliant. He was in total command, unflustered, he let the game go making it very watchable. Our Scottish game would have had about 20 more petty fouls awarded. Did you notice he never let a medical man on the pitch in 120 minutes, he knew when the players were faking & was telling them to just get up, you're not getting the trainer on. What a breath of fresh air, our refs should watch that game again & again & take it in. Well done Mr German ref, I hope you get the final too, that performance deserves it.

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06/7/2021 11:44 pm  #42


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smedDUm wrote:

That referee in tonight's semi Italy v Spain was absolutely brilliant. He was in total command, unflustered, he let the game go making it very watchable. Our Scottish game would have had about 20 more petty fouls awarded. Did you notice he never let a medical man on the pitch in 120 minutes, he knew when the players were faking & was telling them to just get up, you're not getting the trainer on. What a breath of fresh air, our refs should watch that game again & again & take it in. Well done Mr German ref, I hope you get the final too, that performance deserves it.

This 100%
They've been pretty good throughout.
Refreshing and long may it continue.
Another wee change they could look at is when team wins free kick they play on instantly if it suits attacking team.
They can subsequently dish out yellows or warnings as necessary.
 

 

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