Tekel Towers » Dundee Utd v St Johnstone 09/01/21

Billy_Hainey · 12/1/2021 11:31 pm

We started well. Some good passing, and getting men and the ba inta the box. Thought we were the better side. Pissed off we never won that.

Some play for the 1st goal. Great stop by Benji shortly after.

Shanks top class observation and skill for his goal.

Crap defending for their twa goals.

Shanks MOTM tor me.

Had to mute the commentary efter half time as the sound went ah to phuck.

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Shakey Isles Arab · 12/1/2021 11:57 pm

Positives:
52 mins Shanks, once in a lifetime.
First goal no bad either 5 - 6 passes from back including 60 yard pin point from Connolly at back.
Connolly, Liam Smith.
First ten minutes best we've played all year.
Workrate.
Young Neilson strolling forward.
Pawlett left on bench.
Tanser didnae get the ba' tae May at the end there, how I don't know.
Another game nearer Edwards, Chalmers, Butcher getting back.

Negatives:
Benji should'ae been out for their first.
Reynolds.
Some awfy scrappy stuff.
3 or 4 ae them should'ae been yellowed which would have put a whole different complexion on game.

Snacks94 · 13/1/2021 12:02 am

How the feck did Davidson not get booked for his challenge on Harkes??

LarsErikKjell · 13/1/2021 12:06 am

Ref had a shocker

Tek · 13/1/2021 12:48 am

Yeah, the Ref was awful.

Shedtastic · 13/1/2021 1:26 am

The young lad Neilson was terrible, ken it's not popular opinion but he was rank rotten.

bowers · 13/1/2021 7:38 am

Think Appere looked good last night hopefully he continues with getting game time.

Benji some good saves again. The 2 goals we lose are terrible once again though and should have been avoided.

Tek · 13/1/2021 10:26 am

Jamie Robson is very lucky we have literally no one else who can play Left Back.

He has been awful recently.

Lilley01 · 13/1/2021 10:41 am

Our passing is either brilliant, quick one-touch passing that literally carves teams open (albeit, very very rarely) or abysmal, misplaced 5 yarders that just puts the receiver under pressure. Thought our shape was uncharacteristically poor for a lot of the second half but maybe that was down to a desire to win the game which we're not drilled to do.

Sounds quite negative all in but I trust MM to get us there with more time on the training pitch and more additions that can play the way he wants. hopefully not misplaced.

RogerTheAlien · 13/1/2021 11:20 am

Didn’t think we played well at all last night and St Johnstone were unfortunate not to get 3 pts. Neilson looks a good player but he was well off the pace at Aberdeen and last night, I wouldn’t mind seeing him moved to in front of the defence.

Well done to Louis Appere, he took his chance well last night and got the assist for Shanks. Doubt we’d see that off of Mcmullan. It must continue though.

Must win now on Saturday which would be a decent 4/6 pts imo.

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LarsErikKjell · 13/1/2021 11:37 am

Shedtastic wrote:
The young lad Neilson was terrible, ken it's not popular opinion but he was rank rotten.

Nothing wrong with saying this tbh. He is only 17 so will get a pass in most games but theres no doubt he looked shakey last night. Had a couple of good moments with his passing a striding forward but defensively he looked dodgy and the 2nd goal comes from 2 or 3 mistakes in a row from the kid.

He will learn from it though, and hopefully use it to make him a better player.

LarsErikKjell · 13/1/2021 11:39 am

Tek wrote:
Jamie Robson is very lucky we have literally no one else who can play Left Back.

He has been awful recently.

I wouldn't be against Sporle replacing him for a few games. Especially when we are playing wing-backs. He is made for that role I think. Sporle has done very little wrong in the games he has played so I think he deserves a chance.

13/1/2021 6:58 pm

some random thoughts after last nite -
- Laurence's goal the most under-celebrated (by himself anyway) brilliant goal ever?
- how many times this season have we stolen a draw?
- clap for Jym 83 almost ended in diaster & I mean disaster
- (did we have too many up for the corner to try get a goal for clap 83 Jym?)
- we were good for 10 mins then poor for 80
- the ref (Colin Steven) looked out of his depth
- when are we going to produce a convincing display?
- long limbs of BS saved us again on about 70 mins
- as a team we are largely disjointed
- I love Heggy & Sean Dillon
- the Sportscene comms on the radio was one minute ahead & so was too tricky & had to abandon tho got to celebrate the opening goal twice
- prediction for Hamilton yet another scarcely deserved point, why would it be anything else?

Beharder · 13/1/2021 7:17 pm

This season is starting to remind me of 75/76. In that it only about staying up. It was not yesterday but it seemed like we went for ages drawing with everyone but had a good crop of young players waiting to come through as we do now.
We got away with it then as it wás only 2pts for a win. We need a few wins, even 4 wins in the last 15 games would probably be enough.

Shakey Isles Arab · 13/1/2021 9:30 pm

Lilley01 wrote:
Our passing is either brilliant, quick one-touch passing that literally carves teams open (albeit, very very rarely) or abysmal, misplaced 5 yarders that just puts the receiver under pressure. Thought our shape was uncharacteristically poor for a lot of the second half but maybe that was down to a desire to win the game which we're not drilled to do.

Sounds quite negative all in but I trust MM to get us there with more time on the training pitch and more additions that can play the way he wants. hopefully not misplaced.

Exactly exactly exactly.

Add 60+ yard lumps up the park.

Ball on deck is % ball.
Ball to feet is basic
Football 101

Micky places great emphasis on shape, rightly so.
Does he no place the same emphasis on playing out from the back ?
Or do we have limited ability to do it ?
- 17 year old Lewis Neilson does.

Tangy · 14/1/2021 11:07 am

I was having a wee think about the 'official' distance of 52.98 yards. Firstly - surely thats impossible to measure that accurately unless some technology to do so but they appear to have not taken into account that it was out in the touchline. Centre line to goal line is 55 yards. Add in the fact that is only a few yards off the touchline and using a wee bit of pythagoras, the real distance the ball travelled in early 60 yards (my rough calcs measured it at 61.5 yards). Class

Lilley01 · 14/1/2021 11:38 am

Shakey Isles Arab wrote:
Lilley01 wrote:
Our passing is either brilliant, quick one-touch passing that literally carves teams open (albeit, very very rarely) or abysmal, misplaced 5 yarders that just puts the receiver under pressure. Thought our shape was uncharacteristically poor for a lot of the second half but maybe that was down to a desire to win the game which we're not drilled to do.

Sounds quite negative all in but I trust MM to get us there with more time on the training pitch and more additions that can play the way he wants. hopefully not misplaced.

Exactly exactly exactly.

Add 60+ yard lumps up the park.

Ball on deck is % ball.
Ball to feet is basic
Football 101

Micky places great emphasis on shape, rightly so.
Does he no place the same emphasis on playing out from the back ?
Or do we have limited ability to do it ?
- 17 year old Lewis Neilson does.

I suppose in fairness to the 60 yard punts and playing out from the back, we are also ok at mixing it up switching play to find the wing backs at times. Connolly has been doing it reasonably well recently. I thought Motherwell gave us a bit of a lesson in how to do that better when we drew with them recently.

The issue with playing out from the back is just as much to do with the midfield as the defence at times. Remember how easy and how effective Fyvie was at it. It was the same defenders playing when there were less able recipients, it's a skill and a hard one at that.

Shakey Isles Arab · 14/1/2021 10:06 pm

Tangy wrote:
I was having a wee think about the 'official' distance of 52.98 yards. Firstly - surely thats impossible to measure that accurately unless some technology to do so but they appear to have not taken into account that it was out in the touchline. Centre line to goal line is 55 yards. Add in the fact that is only a few yards off the touchline and using a wee bit of pythagoras, the real distance the ball travelled in early 60 yards (my rough calcs measured it at 61.5 yards). Class

Tangy mate ffs !!
. .. couldnae help maself - googled Tanny pitch dims - give yourself a brownie point on pythagoras !

Point is like you say - class.
Wonder if Louis saw the opportunity when he laid it off - if so even more class. Which to call an "assist" is total shite and disnae give it credit due.

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As a curmudgeonly auld fart I would just like to say I hate, loathe and detest this lazy Americanism "assist".
I can see it's a handy catch all but it shouldnae detract from the skills of our beautiful game.
Stick to pass, cross, chip, through ball, square ba', flick on, etc etc.

I'll give you a classis example, Youtube it: Willie Carr, Ernie Hunt Coventry v Everton 1970.
Indirect free kick mebbe 25 - 30 yds out.
Willie Carr stands over ball, gets it between his heels flicks it up about 6 feet drops with just that wee bit backspin to let Ernie Hunt lash it with the outside of hees right foot over wall, keeper nowhere into top right corner.
Never seen anything like it, never will.
Total stunner, so good it got banned.

Point is you couldnae in a million years call it an ''assist'.

Grizzle over !

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