Tekel Towers » James Norwood

Tek · 23/8/2020 5:03 pm

Ipswich Manager Paul Lambert saying he has no knowledge of interest in Norwood from Utd and then questioned whether we could afford him.

Said his preference is that the Striker turns round his form and stays at Portman Road. If he is to leave it would seem it wouldn't be on loan but Ipswich would prefer a transfer fee.

So seems like he will only end up at Tannadice if Shankland is sold (not a gamble i'm sure is worth making given Norwood's injury problems).

https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/paul-lambert-on-james-norwood-1-6805051

lifesanocean · 23/8/2020 5:56 pm

I'd like to see us start looking elsewhere. Surely other strikers have been scouted over the past 18 months who are a) decent b) within our budget? If not you have to question what the recruitment people actually do?

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TheShed · 23/8/2020 6:10 pm

I honestly think the question is if there is actually money available to bring anyone else in.

If we want a European place then we need to add some real attacking quality to the squad.

Tangy · 23/8/2020 7:31 pm

Rumoured to be on 9k a week

Just read an article on the salary cap the average league wage is 1300 a week. It states he is on more than 5 x that..... even at 5 times, hes of 6500

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Tek · 23/8/2020 7:46 pm

Tangy wrote:
Rumoured to be on 9k a week

Just read an article on the salary cap the average league wage is 1300 a week. It states he is on more than 5 x that..... even at 5 times, hes of 6500

I read he's on between 6-8k a week. This was from an ITK Ipswich account.

If he's on anywhere near that then we can forget it. We can't compete with that. And Ipswich it would seem aren't willing to loan him out.

So maybe time to look elsewhere.

MockChop · 23/8/2020 7:59 pm

What is the wage cap in Championship / League One?

PatReilly · 23/8/2020 8:58 pm

MockChop wrote:
What is the wage cap in Championship / League One?

I'm not sure if the agreement covers an individual limit for a player or an overall club figure which covers all total salaries for registered players in each squad.

But at a limit in League One which I recall of £2.5 million, that would leave a 25 man squad averaging just under £2,000 per week on a year long contract. Therefore if Norwood (30 next month) is on between £6-8000 a week as Tek indicates, he's taking up 3 or 4 players' average wages, in which case you'd think Ipswich would want to move him on, given his injury issues.

I cannae see the value in United bringing him in if we are covering a large section of his salary. If he was on a free, that would be a different story.

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Morphman · 23/8/2020 11:12 pm

PatReilly wrote:
MockChop wrote:
What is the wage cap in Championship / League One?
I'm not sure if the agreement covers an individual limit for a player or an overall club figure which covers all total salaries for registered players in each squad.

But at a limit in League One which I recall of £2.5 million, that would leave a 25 man squad averaging just under £2,000 per week on a year long contract. Therefore if Norwood (30 next month) is on between £6-8000 a week as Tek indicates, he's taking up 3 or 4 players' average wages, in which case you'd think Ipswich would want to move him on, given his injury issues.

I cannae see the value in United bringing him in if we are covering a large section of his salary. If he was on a free, that would be a different story.

A player currently under contract who is above the average wage counts as 1,500 a week for the remainder of his current contract. The salary cap only effects new contracts. So Norwood only contributes 1500 to Ipswich cap space.

PatReilly · 23/8/2020 11:41 pm

Morphman wrote:

A player currently under contract who is above the average wage counts as 1,500 a week for the remainder of his current contract. The salary cap only effects new contracts. So Norwood only contributes 1500 to Ipswich cap space.

Thanks, Morphman: didn't know that detail. Would that mean if he moved to another club on loan in League One that his wages are not part of ITFC's limits, therefore it would be to their advantage to move him? But conversely, how would that affect the budget of the club who took him on loan?

If he was moved off the overall ITFC wage structure on paper, but overpaid to the extent that other sides at their level can't afford him, would it be beneficial to all parties if he moved to Scotland?

EDIT: but if he counts only as £1500 on paper to Ipswich, does it really matter to them if he stays?

I'm finding this confusing.

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Arabnophobia · 24/8/2020 12:07 am

Seems to have been a decent player but rekon the chances of us having him are really down to using us as a fitness experiment after his injuries, ops and to see some kind of lesser risk recovery than playing for them.

Tek · 24/8/2020 12:35 am

We can't wait weeks to see if this players circumstances change.

We need another centre forward in even with Shankland here.

And there are hundreds of them all over Europe. And most of them available for free or very little.

Time for the four people paid a wage by DUFC just to recruit players to earn their coin.

Lilley01 · 24/8/2020 8:42 am

Tek wrote:
We can't wait weeks to see if this players circumstances change.

We need another centre forward in even with Shankland here.

And there are hundreds of them all over Europe. And most of them available for free or very little.

Time for the four people paid a wage by DUFC just to recruit players to earn their coin.

Their role will be to analyse, scout, report and recommend. They're probably doing that excessively. If Mellon wants to wait on Ipswich for Norwood, that's (hopefully) his prerogative and no one elses.

24/8/2020 8:57 am

Lilley01 wrote:
Tek wrote:
We can't wait weeks to see if this players circumstances change.

We need another centre forward in even with Shankland here.

And there are hundreds of them all over Europe. And most of them available for free or very little.

Time for the four people paid a wage by DUFC just to recruit players to earn their coin.
Their role will be to analyse, scout, report and recommend. They're probably doing that excessively. If Mellon wants to wait on Ipswich for Norwood, that's (hopefully) his prerogative and no one elses.

On the button Lilley
Let's not go panicing about CF's, as Lilley says, we have an excellent management team under our new excellent manager. In Micky & Co we trust. It's a long time since I was as happy about all things Tannadice.

PatReilly · 24/8/2020 9:26 am

smedDUm wrote:
Lilley01 wrote:
Tek wrote:
We can't wait weeks to see if this players circumstances change.

We need another centre forward in even with Shankland here.

And there are hundreds of them all over Europe. And most of them available for free or very little.

Time for the four people paid a wage by DUFC just to recruit players to earn their coin.
Their role will be to analyse, scout, report and recommend. They're probably doing that excessively. If Mellon wants to wait on Ipswich for Norwood, that's (hopefully) his prerogative and no one elses.

On the button Lilley
Let's not go panicing about CF's, as Lilley says, we have an excellent management team under our new excellent manager. In Micky & Co we trust. It's a long time since I was as happy about all things Tannadice.

Agree with Lilley too, but I always worry about praising a manager before we've actually achieved much. Always recall many folk thinking Csaba was a great choice as manager (search for 'The Csaba Effect' thread), two months into his tenure, then getting pumped 6-1 by Falkirk and the outcome from there on still gives me nightmares. It took many more months for him to get offloaded, and then it was for another charlatan who was praised for his early results.

Having written that, MM seems and talks like he knows the direction we should be taking, with the added bonus of him trusting young players in a way previous managers feared.

Tek · 24/8/2020 9:26 am

Lilley01 wrote:
Tek wrote:
We can't wait weeks to see if this players circumstances change.

We need another centre forward in even with Shankland here.

And there are hundreds of them all over Europe. And most of them available for free or very little.

Time for the four people paid a wage by DUFC just to recruit players to earn their coin.
Their role will be to analyse, scout, report and recommend. They're probably doing that excessively. If Mellon wants to wait on Ipswich for Norwood, that's (hopefully) his prerogative and no one elses.

That is fair comment tbf.

If it's Norwood he wants then they have to hang off and give him a chance to get him.

Though my hope is simply that in the interim that they produce names for him that deem hanging off for Norwood seem more and more unnecessary.

Due to Lambert's comments i'm starting to even wonder if our pursuit of him is even that concrete.

JerryDungle · 24/8/2020 9:28 am

If they’re looking to get rid, I can’t see how we’re in any worse a position to get him than Swindon or Fleetwood. Neither club is gonna be able to pay more than the £1.5k wage cap stipulated by the league, and I doubt any Championship teams are gonna take him.

If they are wanting to offload him, Ipswich’s hands are kinda tied, and they’ll likely just have to take what they can get for him

Shakey Isles Arab · 24/8/2020 9:37 am

Seems a can of worms this guy.

What's Pav doing ?
He's tried, he's tested, no injury worries, he'd be a great fit, he'd like to come back. What would he cost ?

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What's the latest on Shanks ?
What a pairing that would be.

MockChop · 24/8/2020 9:46 am

Safranko didn’t feature in his clubs latest squad.

*Norwood thread, sorry for derailing*

leodis · 24/8/2020 12:58 pm

Tangy wrote:
So maybe time to look elsewhere.

Yeah, Safranko.....

Lilley01 · 24/8/2020 4:15 pm

I don't read much into Lambert's comments either. He's guessing on our finances, he never categorically ruled out a move for him, he indicated he was disappointed with form/injuries. There's a token comment to suggest if he ends upp staying, of course they'd like him to score 25+ goals next year.

If no one bids money for a permanent transfer for him in the timeline they are getting their own squad/budget sorted, they'll listen to loan offers.