It is starting to spread and imo will only get worse in Scotland/UK in the coming weeks. 
 

madness the level of hysteria over this.  

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51827356

Health Minister now has it.

There were tests being done in Scottish hospitals 2 months before anything was made public about the disease.  There was at least 1 person with coronavirus in a Scottish hospital 3 days before the Scottish govt announced they’re first case, and it wasn’t this one they announced.

We’re only getting part of the story here.

The NBA in America has suspended their basketball season.

Mikel Arteta now.  Footballs gonna be stopped soon.

Chelsea squad now in self isolation after their player Calum Hudson-Odoi is tested positive for Corona.

The FA will suspend the league's now surely?

japanarab wrote:

Talk of some leagues having play offs between the top 4 in the league to decide the champions. There’s a real possibility now that this could affect us. 

Surely the Clubs themselves would have to agree to this.

But as bowers says, in our current form, oh jeez.
 

Tobias Smollett that is a fantastic and extremely detailed and knowledgeable post.

Thank you for that.

Scary stuff though.

Tobias Smollett wrote:

RRDH wrote:

Arabnophobia wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51827356

Health Minister now has it.

The rest of that article, particularly the Doctor quoted. Thats what we should be paying attention to.  Following every gyration in the number of cases and/or deaths, panicking every time it goes up or spikes to a few hundred more cases is causing more damage to a society than the disease itself.  

I'd follow the medical community and yes if in a high risk group, curtail some activities and certainly travel.  Football should be going ahead, with crowds.  I fear it wont because the panic is being driven so high that businesses/organizations are concerned about liability.  Which lets be fucking clear, is a ridiculous paradigm as I can guarantee I've caught about 20 illnesses going to football.  Flu included.

No, this thing is a genuine disease and a new form of virus. It is not the flu. For those who get the severe condition, it causes interstitial bilateral pneumonia leading to death at a rate approximately 34 times higher than the flu. Quite apart from the Case Fatality Rate, the potential long-term sequelae of the disease look like they could be very nasty with a significant number of “survivors” in need of lung transplants. Unlike flu there is no herd immunity because this is a new virus and there will be no herd immunity until 70-85% of the population have been infected. 

Epidemics of novel viruses for which there is no herd immunity proceed an an exponential or logarithmic basis. This one is doubling every 5 days, but presently every 3 in the UK. 21 days ago Italy had 3 cases and now they have 12,462 with 827 deaths and the country is heading into lockdown - a death rate of around 6.6%!! Their health service has been overwhelmed with critical cases – they have insufficient personnel and resources to deal with it – and their doctors are now debating whether to withhold treatment for those over 65 years of age. They are considering leaving the elderly to die. Does that sound like the flu?

 
Tobias, welcome Pal.

Where did I say this is the flu?

Thanks.

SlatefordArab wrote:

RRDH wrote:

Tobias Smollett wrote:

No, this thing is a genuine disease and a new form of virus. It is not the flu. For those who get the severe condition, it causes interstitial bilateral pneumonia leading to death at a rate approximately 34 times higher than the flu. Quite apart from the Case Fatality Rate, the potential long-term sequelae of the disease look like they could be very nasty with a significant number of “survivors” in need of lung transplants. Unlike flu there is no herd immunity because this is a new virus and there will be no herd immunity until 70-85% of the population have been infected. 

Epidemics of novel viruses for which there is no herd immunity proceed an an exponential or logarithmic basis. This one is doubling every 5 days, but presently every 3 in the UK. 21 days ago Italy had 3 cases and now they have 12,462 with 827 deaths and the country is heading into lockdown - a death rate of around 6.6%!! Their health service has been overwhelmed with critical cases – they have insufficient personnel and resources to deal with it – and their doctors are now debating whether to withhold treatment for those over 65 years of age. They are considering leaving the elderly to die. Does that sound like the flu?

 
Tobias, welcome Pal.

Where did I say this is the flu?

Thanks.

You didn't, but you seemed to compare the possibility of getting this and getting through it with getting the flu.  If you are fit and healthy you are probably right, however if you are treating this in the same way as the flu and the consequences of passing it onto somebody who is not fit and healthy, then that is sheer folly.

"I'd follow the medical community and yes if in a high risk group, curtail some activities and certainly travel."

?????

The consequences of the actions the majority are advocating may outweigh the risk is my point.  Obviously the consequences for the elderly community are fucking tragic.  In my state, it got into an elderly home and killed close to 40 people at this stage.  At this stage accounting for the majority of the deaths over here with over 3000 cases and likely thousands more in population.  Death rates will go down dramatically per the WHO when calculation models change to reflect current influenza models.

The panic and frenzy we are all being driven to is unnecessary.  That can be true while also acknowledging this is a pandemic and should be taken seriously at the same time.  

We've survived major pandemics before.  H1N1 infected close to 1 billion people and killed hundreds of thousands, including children.  Can we not be allowed to breathe a sigh of relief that to this very moment, not a single child under the age of 10 has died from this outbreak? I dont remember tanking the economy, shuttering businesses, borders (other than US/Mexico) during H1N1? we go through it and we'll get through this.  I think many steps we are taking or are over the top but if we're all doing it, so be it.  Just cancelled a holiday this morning, fair does.  Hope the consequences to our way of life are worth it at the end of the day.

Some folk in the media cheering this thing on in my opinion.  I'll continue to follow CDC/medical community.  outlets over here are publishing half sentences and whipping us into frenzy.  This isnt a new phenomenon, we'll be absolutely fine.