*bump*

be needing this I guess...

This should be but won't be a sackable display. We should be 3 down and are losing without a whimper to a part time team that look fitter and hungrier. That's utter shite v E Fife Arbroath Partick first half Ayr and Alloa....

We hadnt lost to the Wasps in 60odd years and with 5 to go looks like this idiot has lost twice

I dont think this makes sense at all.  Weve been coming to places like Alloa now for 4 years and putting insipid displays like this out there.  There has to be more to this than just the manager.

Ultimately the players are culpable here too but this shite where we blow hot and cold ia getting to be institutionalized at United.  Great when we've got everything going our way but any sniff of adversity and we clam the fuck up.

Perfect oppo to put pressure on the others.  Failed miserably. How do you expect the players to get up for it when the manager himself doesn’t look interested.  Peter Grant was more animated and he was winning.

Not good enough.  We can’t keep going like this. Good one week shit the other.  We need to win this league.  We need shot of Robbie.

PatReilly wrote:

There will still be folk thinking that's just another blip, but the players themselves were not good enough again, and that's down to the manager. He signed nine out of the 14 who were on the pitch tonight, 7 out of eleven starters.

I think the job is beyond him. 

No one say he has not been backed well to make the changes he wanted!

PatReilly wrote:

There will still be folk thinking that's just another blip, but the players themselves were not good enough again, and that's down to the manager. He signed nine out of the 14 who were on the pitch tonight, 7 out of eleven starters.

I think the job is beyond him. 

 
Last week was the blip. The last 4 performances are evidence of that.

Perfect opportunity tonight to go to a team down at the bottom of the league, down on their luck, not scoring goals, not winning games and a chance to score goals, win well again and put a wee bit of daylight between us and the other top 4 (potentially).

Then we put in a performance like that.

It was very similiar to the defeat to Alloa on 29th December 2018 (the last time we played there). You know, when Robbie Neilson was in charge and came out afterwards and said some in the dressing room 'weren't good enough'. Well what a damning indictment that is of his players tonight then.

Some of his signings the worst players on the night (Reynolds, Harkes, Pawlett).

That is the 2nd part-time who have defeated us this season (East Fife and Alloa) and two others who lost narrowly and probably deserved better (Stenhousemuir and Arbroath).

The Dundee and Morton wins were great. But i just get the feeling if you pull the curtain back on Neilson's team then the obvious flaws that some of us point out are rather obvious.

I am very concerned that if we stick with him it will be another season down here.

It's not just a 'clickbait' thread title. And it never was.

It's genuinely my belief.


 

Daft thread IMO

the second we get beat, his jobs under threat, honestly.
nonsense behaviour.

have at it though,

John Hughes in for QOS away?
pish

If the sole reason for keeping him on is “who’d be better?” then he should be sacked on the soot.

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Tek wrote:

MockChop wrote:

Daft thread IMO

the second we get beat, his jobs under threat, honestly.
nonsense behaviour.

have at it though,

John Hughes in for QOS away?
pish

Aye, cos it's John Hughes or nothing.

Honestly mate. I get you are behind Neilson. Fair enough.

But see this arguement of 'who's better?' if you don't rate him. That to me is nonsense.

The thinking that there is no-one in World football , within our budget and infrastructure , who we can possibly appoint , who could do better , is small time thinking.

Let’s hear it then. You’re in the hot seat.
We bin him. What next?




 

I know that it's a results business and that managers will get stick for 'shock defeats' etc but the players have to have a long hard look at themselves.
Outfought and bullied all over the park from the first whistle, shocking inept display, they should be ashamed of themselves but somehow I doubt it.

I'd be surprised if there weren't alarm bells ringing at Tannadice, and that other possibilities for a management team haven't been considered. Also be surprised if any United fan is really happy with the present leadership at the club, both off and on the park on the playing side.

The problem for me, and possibly others, isn't the results, some of which have been very good in the league. It's the performances and set up of the side. 

Even taking last night in isolation, why not try for minimum disruption by playing boys in their best positions (I'm thinking of Liam Smith and Louis Appere specifically)? Why try to accommodate Peter Pawlett when he's clearly not fit? Why play Mark Reynolds when he doesn't relish the plastic pitches, that showing up in his wooden performance?  Why was Sporle the first to be removed, when Pawlett and Harkes were obvious candidates?

Before anyone points out that we are lacking in certain types of players, there is an obvious reason for that, given Robbie brought the majority of the lads available last night in. 

Of course there is the issue of 'who' replaces Robbie if he goes. To be fair most managers are unsuccessful, short term or long term. But Robbie could do himself many more favours if he discarded the obstinacy. I want him to succeed, but just can't see it given his decision making. 

For some/many supporters, last night wasn't much of a surprise, and I'd say the optimism brought by early league form has evaporated. Unless the management gets a grip on things, crowds are likely to fall pretty quickly: the home average so far, excluding the derby, is 7435. It's likely to be nowhere near that over the coming home matches.

Tek wrote:

MockChop wrote:

Tek wrote:

Doesn't matter who i say.

You'd doubtless ridicule any name.
 

 
Was interested to hear what your thoughts were.
So it’s Neilson out, then just whoever in?

Cause it’ll be McCulloch for a couple weeks then either the list of also rans or someone with US experience.

No, it's not just 'whoever' in. You do your due dilligence and research a list of potential candidates. The pros and cons of each potential appointment. Until you whittle it down to the candidate you believe to be the best.

But you know that.
 

 
To be honest and against all common sense maybe I would now be tempted to give it to McCulloch. Hard to believe anyone could have us as shite as we were last night. He cannot set us up or motivate us away from home. A win v the worst Pars team in years thanks to Shankland a comeback win v worst Partick team in years thanks to Shankland and two defeats.
Failure to win at Palmerston I would pull the trigger if I was Ogren.