Arabdownsouth wrote:

Hen Broon wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

it's a shame it isn't Colombia because Ross Graham needs putting down for that display.

You nasty little bastard. Get off the internet for a while.

 
Who the fuck do you think you're talking to? Away and fuck yourself!

Its quite fucking apparent that I'm not seriously suggesting violence towards him, are you fucking broken?

Meanwhile holocaust jokes are perfectly ok right?

Prick!

Pack it in lads, please.

I'm loathe to give people 'holidays' from here and very rarely do, but that type of personal abuse is not on.






 

Tek wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

Hen Broon wrote:

You nasty little bastard. Get off the internet for a while.

 
Who the fuck do you think you're talking to? Away and fuck yourself!

Its quite fucking apparent that I'm not seriously suggesting violence towards him, are you fucking broken?

Meanwhile holocaust jokes are perfectly ok right?

Prick!

Pack it in lads, please.

I'm loathe to give people 'holidays' from here and very rarely do, but that type of personal abuse is not on.






 

 I hear you Tek and am happy to wind my neck back in but that was totally his doing and he had absolutely no need to start with the abuse. Its obvious that I wasn't advocating any harm to Ross Graham and I'm fairly sure everyone else knew that. To take that tone with me about an off the cuff remark in the heat of that frustrating end to the game was completely out of order. Especially when there's holocaust jokes going around unchecked

"it's a shame it isn't Colombia because Ross Graham needs putting down for that display."
"Joking" or "off the cuff" doesn't excuse that absolute embarrassment of a post. One of the worst I've read on here if not the worst.

Tek wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

 I hear you Tek and am happy to wind my neck back in but that was totally his doing and he had absolutely no need to start with the abuse. Its obvious that I wasn't advocating any harm to Ross Graham and I'm fairly sure everyone else knew that. To take that tone with me about an off the cuff remark in the heat of that frustrating end to the game was completely out of order. Especially when there's holocaust jokes going around unchecked

I was aiming my post at both of you ADS.

Stillliving didn't appreciate Mr Blunkett's joke, but he at least asked him a polite manner to remove it.

You didn't start it tonight, but you will admit yourself you've been involved in a fair few spats on here of late.

Let's keep it civil please.
 

 
Got ya

Watched the highlights back on Sportscene with a clear mind and fresh eyes.

We should win that 4 or 5 nil. Which only makes the final result and capitulation all the more galling.

My player ratings -

AMB 6 - Great save in the 1st half to stop what would have been a fortunate Dundee goal via a cross cum deflection. Didn't rate him at Dundee's 1st goal though. I just don't see him as commanding enough. In fact i think he's pretty average tbh. Also, no player on either post at their 1st goal. Not sure if that's on Goodwin, the coaches or AMB, but if i'm Keeper i'm demanding at least one player on the near post.

Stephenson 6 - Great headed goal for our 2nd, but tbh other than that i felt he was once again pretty poor. He never seems to take a game these days for the full 90 or anything near it.

Iovu 7 - Thought he was good. I understand why he was sacrificed due to him being on the yellow. We seem to be a weaker defensive line when he departs. There is a player in there. A raw one, but one who could be coached into being a decent defender. Should have buried his header though. Ping balls into him in training endlessly, every day. In set piece drills. He's a big, physical unit who should be commanding at both ends of the pitch.

Graham 5 - For 93 minutes he gave a solid display. Maybe even our MotM. Then goes and does THAT. That final minute from him just an utter disgrace from him in every single way conceivable. I don't think i've ever seen a bigger meltdown tbh. Lucky not to be given a straight red card for a ridiculous challenge. Gives them a free kick with a last chance to get the ball into our box. Laughing about it and arguing with Dundee players. Then subsequently smashes the ball into our own net. It genuinely would have been better if he was sent off for the challenge. Time for him to move on. Hasn't progressed from his early days under Tam Courts.

Keresztes 6 - I've backed him most of the season and have been adamant there's a player in there. I also think he was 'ok' today, for the majority of the game. Unfortunately he's just a massive fanny. Goes down play acting on the ground 2 or 3 times a match and just weak as piss when the game is going against us. Look at him for their 1st. He's not alone in that though tbf. Needs to toughen the fuck up.

Ferry 6 - Fantastic cross for Luca's goal and was one of our better players on the day.

Agyei 6 - Genuinely awful in the first half and was so sloppy in possession and also chasing shadows. Much better in the 2nd half, particularly when beside Pan Camara. 

Sevelj 8 - Really good display. Dominated the midfield. Unlucky not to score a brilliant goal in the first half. He'd be my United Captain. He feels like our leader.

Farrugia 6 - Weird player. Has a not bad touch and control, but doesn't really offer anything. Feels like a defender playing further up the pitch. 

Watters 5 - Anonymous, as per. Never seen a United player get so much game time that looks so disinterested.

Fattah 8 - Our best player, by miles. The only guy i get excited about when he gets the ball. Struck his penalty away really well. Will finish our top scorer despite being a winger.

Subs -

Russell 6 - Offers more than Watters. Every brief cameo he's done something. Forced a good save from McCracken today that could have sealed it. Start him against Celtic for the love of God.

Sapsford 5 - I dunno why but it feels like he's done at United. The drop-off in form is astounding, truly. That attempt at goal in the 90th minute odd to put the game out of sight. OMG. I'd love to be fly on the wall to hear his chats in the dressing room. WTF is going on with him? So many excuses (he's homesick, he's overplayed, he has the flu, he hates the Scottish winter). He's a great wee player who's been not himself since Xmas time. Our Manager doesn't seem to be handling this at all well.

Strain 5 - Easy decision to release. Can't run, slow, positionally poor. I could go on.

 

Derry city apparently are after Graham

Stillliving wrote:

I said it a few weeks ago and it was proved again yesterday.  This team have lost leads so often this season they have it their minds its going to happen again. 
As was said above different players with stronger characters are required.

I would say though that JGs 3-5-2:formation  was dominant against Dundee 4-4-2
I know that comment will enrage a few but that's what I saw yesterday.

 Someone told me today that if we'd held on to the leads that we have had and won our draws we'd be near on the same points as Rangers.

Btw that second goal doesn’t happen if we could hold on to the ball for 60 seconds. Absolutely embarrassing as a football team we cannot seem to pass the ball about and kill the game off, that is our biggest issue maybe not yesterday but we do not control games of football, the amount times this season I’ve sat and watched us and thought we genuinely have no idea what to do when we have the ball

SuperMario wrote:

Derry city apparently are after Graham

 
Cya

JerryDungle wrote:

Seen Declan Gallagher standing outside the away end yesterday, which I thought was quite poignant given the circumstances of our late collapse. We really chucked the baby out with the bath water when he let him go last summer (And when we failed to offer Kevin Holt a new deal earlier in the season).

Goodwin tried to be clever signing young defenders from abroad that could be sold on at a later date, but he neglected the part where you need leaders there that can see out games and talk those around them into seeing out games.

Even if they hadn’t played every single week, Gallagher and Holt would’ve massively helped the three foreign centre halves settle into Scottish football, and the 22 points we’ve dropped from winning positions would likely be in single figures.

Look at the fall off in Graham since they left, folk were touting him for a Scotland call up last season, now he doesn’t even look like a Premiership-standard defender. Adegboyega too would probably tell you they brought him on leaps and bounds. I genuinely think folk would view Iovu, Keresztes and Esselink in a totally different light if they had a Declan Gallagher or Kevin Holt marshalling them through their first season of Scottish football.

Utter pigheaded stupidity and arrogance to get of they two.

 
Yeah fair comment

Graham could have simply left the ball, it was going nowhere.

Tek wrote:

Watched the highlights back on Sportscene with a clear mind and fresh eyes.

We should win that 4 or 5 nil. Which only makes the final result and capitulation all the more galling.

My player ratings -

AMB 6 - Great save in the 1st half to stop what would have been a fortunate Dundee goal via a cross cum deflection. Didn't rate him at Dundee's 1st goal though. I just don't see him as commanding enough. In fact i think he's pretty average tbh. Also, no player on either post at their 1st goal. Not sure if that's on Goodwin, the coaches or AMB, but if i'm Keeper i'm demanding at least one player on the near post.

Stephenson 6 - Great headed goal for our 2nd, but tbh other than that i felt he was once again pretty poor. He never seems to take a game these days for the full 90 or anything near it.

Iovu 7 - Thought he was good. I understand why he was sacrificed due to him being on the yellow. We seem to be a weaker defensive line when he departs. There is a player in there. A raw one, but one who could be coached into being a decent defender. Should have buried his header though. Ping balls into him in training endlessly, every day. In set piece drills. He's a big, physical unit who should be commanding at both ends of the pitch.

Graham 5 - For 93 minutes he gave a solid display. Maybe even our MotM. Then goes and does THAT. That final minute from him just an utter disgrace from him in every single way conceivable. I don't think i've ever seen a bigger meltdown tbh. Lucky not to be given a straight red card for a ridiculous challenge. Gives them a free kick with a last chance to get the ball into our box. Laughing about it and arguing with Dundee players. Then subsequently smashes the ball into our own net. It genuinely would have been better if he was sent off for the challenge. Time for him to move on. Hasn't progressed from his early days under Tam Courts.

Keresztes 6 - I've backed him most of the season and have been adamant there's a player in there. I also think he was 'ok' today, for the majority of the game. Unfortunately he's just a massive fanny. Goes down play acting on the ground 2 or 3 times a match and just weak as piss when the game is going against us. Look at him for their 1st. He's not alone in that though tbf. Needs to toughen the fuck up.

Ferry 6 - Fantastic cross for Luca's goal and was one of our better players on the day.

Agyei 6 - Genuinely awful in the first half and was so sloppy in possession and also chasing shadows. Much better in the 2nd half, particularly when beside Pan Camara. 

Sevelj 8 - Really good display. Dominated the midfield. Unlucky not to score a brilliant goal in the first half. He'd be my United Captain. He feels like our leader.

Farrugia 6 - Weird player. Has a not bad touch and control, but doesn't really offer anything. Feels like a defender playing further up the pitch. 

Watters 5 - Anonymous, as per. Never seen a United player get so much game time that looks so disinterested.

Fattah 8 - Our best player, by miles. The only guy i get excited about when he gets the ball. Struck his penalty away really well. Will finish our top scorer despite being a winger.

Subs -

Russell 6 - Offers more than Watters. Every brief cameo he's done something. Forced a good save from McCracken today that could have sealed it. Start him against Celtic for the love of God.

Sapsford 5 - I dunno why but it feels like he's done at United. The drop-off in form is astounding, truly. That attempt at goal in the 90th minute odd to put the game out of sight. OMG. I'd love to be fly on the wall to hear his chats in the dressing room. WTF is going on with him? So many excuses (he's homesick, he's overplayed, he has the flu, he hates the Scottish winter). He's a great wee player who's been not himself since Xmas time. Our Manager doesn't seem to be handling this at all well.

Strain 5 - Easy decision to release. Can't run, slow, positionally poor. I could go on.

 

 
I'd disagree on Iovu who I think is an absolute liability at times and gives away a foul with most tackles,the amount of times he commits himself too far forward then just hauls the player down is shocking. I also thought Stephenson was pretty good for most of the game and I think we win if he's still on the park. Totally agree about Keresztes though,absolute fanny and infuriates me no end. I even commented to the missus about him being 6'5" and rolling around like a wee girl for fuck all.

Shedtastic wrote:

Graham could have simply left the ball, it was going nowhere.

 
Nah he couldn’t have. Their player (Hay?) is peeling off Ferry at the back post, he was definitely getting on the end of that if Graham hadn’t got there first.