I think it's time for Jim to go but he won't.  In that case it's time he sat down and had a rethink of his 3 at the back plan before the stands get emptier. We are finishing bottom 6 thats no longer in doubt and we are miles behind the likes of Motherwell and even Falkirk. Staying up should be achievable and I guess we have to hope to go on a cup run. I'd give my right arm for a cup win and 10th right now. To do this though we need to be changing style immediately because if Jim persists with his stubborn fixation on 3 central defenders then we are going to find ourselves pulled into that relegation dog fight. Sort it out Jim or get that laptop bag ready.

RogerTheAlien wrote:

The relegation killed a part of my love for football. I don’t watch it on tv nearly as much as i used to.

The 2014 cup final embarrassment.

That rat selling gms & amo.

Zwick/Szromnik.

Relegated at dens.

The playoff at Hamilton.

Czaba Laszlo’s era.

The Ross county 5 ex United players laughing at us.

Robbie Neilson running to hearts.

The whole Asghar era.

Jack Ross debacle.

7-0 in Alkmaar.

Liam fucking fox.

Mark Birightti.

6 wins in 26.

Utter negativity ball driving our near 7000 season ticket holders away.

Our youth academy selling kids for peanuts while bringing through no talent whatsoever.

The last 12 years has been failure after failure as a club

Does the Jack Ross debacle cover losing 9-0 to Celtic?

So out of all that you can only blame Goodwin for 6 wins in 26 and negativity ball.  Which for the avoidance of doubt has added 2,500 to our average attendance over the last 3 years and whilst negativity ball also has us sixth in the league in games lost. The surprise package of the season Falkirk have lost 2 more than us.

I'll be clear, I think Goodwin is limited and he will eventually be punted, but I just don't see the negativity towards him when you take the above series of utter clusterfucks into account.  Against a backdrop of utter incompetence with the running of the club he has got us promoted at the first shout (I was calling for his head then as the football really was dire), got us to Europe (playing largely defence first football) and has us probably safe this year (although his experiment with more progressive football has failed and he has gone back to type (but with a squad that was not chosen for that type of football)).

I just don't see us replacing him with any better.  The owner has absolutely no knowledge of football.  I think its a be careful what you wish for sort of time.

You can tell all is not well inside Tannadice.  Ogren is clearly not allowing us to spend any money.  I get the impression that Goodwin isn't liking not being able to go out and bring in players.  

Last edited by Finn Seemann (01/2/2026 4:53 pm)

Finn Seemann wrote:

and has us probably safe this year (although his experiment with more progressive football has failed and he has gone back to type (but with a squad that was not chosen for that type of football)).
 

This is the crux of the matter. The season before he had us playing to our strengths which was defend well, pick teams off, be fitter so we could do that late winner/equaliser thing, it wasn't pretty but it worked.

So he tries to be more expansive, on paper boys like Dolcek and Fatah were better than last season's options, and at the start of the season it looked like it could be good, buthe back three he brought in, 3 guys, 2 not brimming with experience, neither 3 suited as a package to our game, Pappoe looked like a great partnership could build with Camara, but he gets injured Camara has missed a few as well.

Add injuries/form issues with Sevelj, the keeper being a bombscare, not addressing the right back issue, it all adds up.

Yet despite that even when we've had a shocker, we can play good stuff in flashes, we score a goal, the confidence builds in a game, possibly only Livvi away, is the only time I can think where we really set out to impose ourselves on the game.

He'd get a lot less grief if he was more proactive in his approach, try to score first rather than wait for the opposition to do so, lose a game 2-0 because you've taken it to the opposition or lose it 2-0 because you tried to defend for 60 minutes, lost a goal, opened up and were picked off.

We finished 4th last season, deservedly, but we're not daft enough to expect that again, if Hearts/Hibs/Aberdeen get things right then we're in the bunch that should be safe from relegation, but looking to gain that 6th place, then kick on if possible once you get there.

Maybe recent history suggests we've no right to be looking so high, but survival football isn't what any of us want were promised, or signed up for.

Last edited by David_Blunkett (01/2/2026 5:46 pm)

Goodwin has done a good job steadying the ship since the Asghar era, but the football is now uninteresting and of poor quality, and the results fairly grim in the past 12 months.

Thanks, but time to hand over the reigns.

Conway11 wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

RogerTheAlien wrote:

The relegation killed a part of my love for football. I don’t watch it on tv nearly as much as i used to.

The 2014 cup final embarrassment.

That rat selling gms & amo.

Zwick/Szromnik.

Relegated at dens.

The playoff at Hamilton.

Czaba Laszlo’s era.

The Ross county 5 ex United players laughing at us.

Robbie Neilson running to hearts.

The whole Asghar era.

Jack Ross debacle.

7-0 in Alkmaar.

Liam fucking fox.

Mark Birightti.

6 wins in 26.

Utter negativity ball driving our near 7000 season ticket holders away.

Our youth academy selling kids for peanuts while bringing through no talent whatsoever.

The last 12 years has been failure after failure as a club

Does the Jack Ross debacle cover losing 9-0 to Celtic?

So out of all that you can only blame Goodwin for 6 wins in 26 and negativity ball.  Which for the avoidance of doubt has added 2,500 to our average attendance over the last 3 years and whilst negativity ball also has us sixth in the league in games lost. The surprise package of the season Falkirk have lost 2 more than us.

I'll be clear, I think Goodwin is limited and he will eventually be punted, but I just don't see the negativity towards him when you take the above series of utter clusterfucks into account.  Against a backdrop of utter incompetence with the running of the club he has got us promoted at the first shout (I was calling for his head then as the football really was dire), got us to Europe (playing largely defence first football) and has us probably safe this year (although his experiment with more progressive football has failed and he has gone back to type (but with a squad that was not chosen for that type of football)).

I just don't see us replacing him with any better.  The owner has absolutely no knowledge of football.  I think its a be careful what you wish for sort of time.

You can tell all is not well inside Tannadice.  Ogren is clearly not allowing us to spend any money.  I get the impression that Goodwin isn't liking not being able to go out and bring in players.  

Goodwin spent half a million pounds on Iovu and Kucherenko. Ogren has every right to tell him to shove a budget up his arse.

 
Half a million?

Manchester United doing much better after ditching the 3 at the back,just saying like. Wake up Jim it ain't working

Stillliving wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

Manchester United doing much better after ditching the 3 at the back,just saying like. Wake up Jim it ain't working

 
The problem for JG is that he dosent have any proper old style full backs a Derek Stark or Frank Kopel or Ray Stewart types
Sevelj I think could make a decent right full back . We have a few wing backs Ferry, Nammo & Strain but not suited to a solid back four.

I think your correct about making the switch but remain doubtful we have the players to make it work. However we need the extra man in midfield.

 
You don’t need to have 19-oatcake era full backs that never cross the halfway line to play a back 4. Most modern full backs essentially play like wing backs and have done for years.

Last edited by JerryDungle (01/2/2026 8:47 pm)

JerryDungle wrote:

Stillliving wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

Manchester United doing much better after ditching the 3 at the back,just saying like. Wake up Jim it ain't working

 
The problem for JG is that he dosent have any proper old style full backs a Derek Stark or Frank Kopel or Ray Stewart types
Sevelj I think could make a decent right full back . We have a few wing backs Ferry, Nammo & Strain but not suited to a solid back four.

I think your correct about making the switch but remain doubtful we have the players to make it work. However we need the extra man in midfield.

 
You don’t need to have 19-oatcake era full backs that never cross the halfway line to play a back 4. Most modern full backs essentially play like wing backs and have done for years.

 
Yeah agree with this. Also the 3 central defenders can't keep the ball out of the net so I dont see how only having 2 can make it any worse,  but it will give us the extra body in midfield that we desperately need. Look I dont know if it will make us better but it sure as he'll can't make us any worse. February now and he's still persisting with his failed plan, beyond stupid imo.

Conway11 wrote:

Stillliving wrote:

Conway11 wrote:

Goodwin spent half a million pounds on Iovu and Kucherenko. Ogren has every right to tell him to shove a budget up his arse.

 
More made up nonsense by the DFC fan on the messageboard

It is 100% FACT we paid half a million pounds for they two.

DFC fan? Another clown that resorts to that when hearing the truth.

Can almost guarantee you weren't there last night.
 

 Sorry but I'm not having that we spent half a million, absolutely no way. If you're gonna call it a fact you're gonna have to prove it to get me believing it. Incidentally though,did we not make a profit selling Kucherenko anyway?

Also there's no chance you're a dee as you clearly care passionately about United,anyone can see that.

Last edited by Arabdownsouth (01/2/2026 9:15 pm)

Arabdownsouth wrote:

JerryDungle wrote:

Stillliving wrote:

 
The problem for JG is that he dosent have any proper old style full backs a Derek Stark or Frank Kopel or Ray Stewart types
Sevelj I think could make a decent right full back . We have a few wing backs Ferry, Nammo & Strain but not suited to a solid back four.

I think your correct about making the switch but remain doubtful we have the players to make it work. However we need the extra man in midfield.

 
You don’t need to have 19-oatcake era full backs that never cross the halfway line to play a back 4. Most modern full backs essentially play like wing backs and have done for years.

 
Yeah agree with this. Also the 3 central defenders can't keep the ball out of the net so I dont see how only having 2 can make it any worse,  but it will give us the extra body in midfield that we desperately need. Look I dont know if it will make us better but it sure as he'll can't make us any worse. February now and he's still persisting with his failed plan, beyond stupid imo.

 
I’ve said this all along. It’s fine playing a back 3 if the back 3 are solid and are actually preventing you from conceding goals. It worked well last season with Gallagher, Holt and Manny because they played like a unit and actively won us a lot of points. If it isn’t working, it’s just giving you a man less in the middle of the park or up top. And it certainly hasn’t worked this season, so I don’t know what his thinking in persisting with it is.

I think he got spooked when we played a 4-3-3 at Fir Park earlier in the season and got played off the park. In hindsight, I don’t think the formation had anything to do with that result, we were just beaten by a better team and a better manager.

Conway11 wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

RogerTheAlien wrote:

The relegation killed a part of my love for football. I don’t watch it on tv nearly as much as i used to.

The 2014 cup final embarrassment.

That rat selling gms & amo.

Zwick/Szromnik.

Relegated at dens.

The playoff at Hamilton.

Czaba Laszlo’s era.

The Ross county 5 ex United players laughing at us.

Robbie Neilson running to hearts.

The whole Asghar era.

Jack Ross debacle.

7-0 in Alkmaar.

Liam fucking fox.

Mark Birightti.

6 wins in 26.

Utter negativity ball driving our near 7000 season ticket holders away.

Our youth academy selling kids for peanuts while bringing through no talent whatsoever.

The last 12 years has been failure after failure as a club

Does the Jack Ross debacle cover losing 9-0 to Celtic?

So out of all that you can only blame Goodwin for 6 wins in 26 and negativity ball.  Which for the avoidance of doubt has added 2,500 to our average attendance over the last 3 years and whilst negativity ball also has us sixth in the league in games lost. The surprise package of the season Falkirk have lost 2 more than us.

I'll be clear, I think Goodwin is limited and he will eventually be punted, but I just don't see the negativity towards him when you take the above series of utter clusterfucks into account.  Against a backdrop of utter incompetence with the running of the club he has got us promoted at the first shout (I was calling for his head then as the football really was dire), got us to Europe (playing largely defence first football) and has us probably safe this year (although his experiment with more progressive football has failed and he has gone back to type (but with a squad that was not chosen for that type of football)).

I just don't see us replacing him with any better.  The owner has absolutely no knowledge of football.  I think its a be careful what you wish for sort of time.

You can tell all is not well inside Tannadice.  Ogren is clearly not allowing us to spend any money.  I get the impression that Goodwin isn't liking not being able to go out and bring in players.  

Goodwin spent half a million pounds on Iovu and Kucherenko. Ogren has every right to tell him to shove a budget up his arse.

 
Half a million? Surely no

RogerTheAlien wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

RogerTheAlien wrote:

The relegation killed a part of my love for football. I don’t watch it on tv nearly as much as i used to.

The 2014 cup final embarrassment.

That rat selling gms & amo.

Zwick/Szromnik.

Relegated at dens.

The playoff at Hamilton.

Czaba Laszlo’s era.

The Ross county 5 ex United players laughing at us.

Robbie Neilson running to hearts.

The whole Asghar era.

Jack Ross debacle.

7-0 in Alkmaar.

Liam fucking fox.

Mark Birightti.

6 wins in 26.

Utter negativity ball driving our near 7000 season ticket holders away.

Our youth academy selling kids for peanuts while bringing through no talent whatsoever.

The last 12 years has been failure after failure as a club

Does the Jack Ross debacle cover losing 9-0 to Celtic?

So out of all that you can only blame Goodwin for 6 wins in 26 and negativity ball.  Which for the avoidance of doubt has added 2,500 to our average attendance over the last 3 years and whilst negativity ball also has us sixth in the league in games lost. The surprise package of the season Falkirk have lost 2 more than us.

I'll be clear, I think Goodwin is limited and he will eventually be punted, but I just don't see the negativity towards him when you take the above series of utter clusterfucks into account.  Against a backdrop of utter incompetence with the running of the club he has got us promoted at the first shout (I was calling for his head then as the football really was dire), got us to Europe (playing largely defence first football) and has us probably safe this year (although his experiment with more progressive football has failed and he has gone back to type (but with a squad that was not chosen for that type of football)).

I just don't see us replacing him with any better.  The owner has absolutely no knowledge of football.  I think its a be careful what you wish for sort of time.

You can tell all is not well inside Tannadice.  Ogren is clearly not allowing us to spend any money.  I get the impression that Goodwin isn't liking not being able to go out and bring in players.  

 
I don’t know why but that 9-0 game against Celtic seems to hide in my mind a lot. I was home for ht. an utterly shameful day.

 
August Bank Holiday weekend,I was driving to Blackpool for most of the game. We were already 2-0 down when I set off so I told the missus fuck it I'll just check the score once we get to the hotel room, she came back from the bathroom to find me sat there mouth wide open looking at that fucking scoreline on my phone in disbelief. Forever welded into my memory unfortunately 🫤

Last edited by Arabdownsouth (01/2/2026 9:40 pm)