redford_must_score wrote:

dyed in the wool wrote:

Totally forgot about this in the absolute shambles that ensued but has anyone seen a replay of Stephensons injury?

Clutching at straws that have long gone, but from where I was sitting in the ETL - at the time I'd have put my left bollock on the boy leading to Luca with an elbow.  I was phucking certain that it was a foul and should have been our freekick.

 

 
Don't think DUTV or PSports showed a replay so couldn't check for an elbow but viewing it live I thought it was a bad foul on Luca. No attempt by the Dundee player to win the ball.

I've still not found a replay but I'm certain of it.  And then from the throw in, they get the cross in for the 1st goal.  Again, clutching at straws but I honestly can't get over that it wasn't a foul.

Conway11 wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

Think this one was on Goodwin, but the clamour from the terraces for a back 4 no doubt pushed him there.  If ever there was a game that could have done with keeping it tight at the back this was the one.  Ferry looked way off it - not fit I suspect.  Graham and Gallagher just can't handle Murray!  Strain had a shocking first half.

Boys having a go at Adeboyega need to take a look at themselves.  Not his fault we lost three goals.  Not his fault he's put on to hold the defence on his own.  Not his fault that Murray gets put clean through.  Not his fault that Murray is looking for the touch and falls over like a ton of bricks.

Goodwin went for it with that formation and Dundee absolutely crucified him.  To be fair to them they were well worth their lead first half and the game should have been over at the HT whistle.

Second half we were much better, but when none of the subbies are up to much what can we do! Moult is finished.  Gets up well for the header though and puts it straight into the keepers hands.  Paton isn't up to much.  Kai is not improving - probably the opposite.  vDS ineffective.  

I think there is a player in Campbell, but in Sevelj, Stephenson and Sibbald we've already got better options.  

They dealt with Dalby very well, but he was about the only player in Tangerine with pass marks.

And there it is. Fans fault that Goodwin selected that formation and players.

We should have absolutely not kept it tight, they have been getting battered for weeks, under no circumstances should we have kept it tight at the back and played with caution at home in a Dundee derby.

100% goodwins fault. Sibbald had an absolute stinker costing two goals near enough. The 4th definitely and his closing down on McGhee was utterly pathetic

Agreed on Campbell, he is now doubt being played out of position like every single player the
fraud has signed.

 

As I said right at the start of my post - this one is on Goodwin.  My point was that he did what most of us have been hoping he would do, but did it when it would appear that those expected to manage with 4 at the back weren't fully fit and also not factoring in the fact that those same players haven't been able to manage the limited football player Simon Murray.

We also changed the formation but didn't then (or weren't allowed to) play tactically any differently to when we play a back 5.  It was still generally diagonals or long balls up to Dalby bypassing the midfield and not really taking advantage of the extra player/width across the middle of the park.  I'm not sure whether he was expecting Stephenson, Campbell or Sevelj to suddenly become progressive midfielders - they aren't and that was then made even worse by Sibbald (who definitely isn't progressive) coming on early.  Added to that Trapanovski looks low in confidence (I expect due to a lack of game time) and the result is getting schooled by (on paper) an inferior football team.

We absolutely should not be losing to Dundee.  That is on Goodwin.  We do not seem to be capable of playing football the way the fans want it played.  That is on Goodwin.  That said we are sitting at the latter stages of the season and are a little bit disappointed that we might not quite be Europe contenders.  Given where we were last year at this time in terms of position in the leagues and a shambles in the boardroom - we are now in much better shape.  I suspect a good bit of that is down to Goodwin.  I don't think he is a fraud.  I do think he is still very much making poor decisions.  In this case perhaps listening to the terraces rather than looking at the facts of what his squad is actually capable of.

BMT wrote:

Luca fouled before their first goal and according to former referee Keith Hackett ( BBC Scotland football gossip ) it was never a penalty for there 4 goal so it was a really a 2-2 draw and not an absolute battering for Utd.

You should get a job with Utd's Media Team with that amount of spin BMT 
 

Stillliving wrote:

After a few days to reflect and talk over the game with a few of my compatriots who all have over 50 years of watching the Terrors the general consensus is that was the worst 45mins in a derby anyone can remember.
I think it's beyond a few messages from the players like we have to move on and get it out of our system.
Players who can't get up for a Derby or be arsed in chasing back and following runners have no place at Tannadice.

Agreed 100%
 

Stillliving wrote:

After a few days to reflect and talk over the game with a few of my compatriots who all have over 50 years of watching the Terrors the general consensus is that was the worst 45mins in a derby anyone can remember.
I think it's beyond a few messages from the players like we have to move on and get it out of our system.
Players who can't get up for a Derby or be arsed in chasing back and following runners have no place at Tannadice.

There is a lot of truth in this, but I'd also say that is the best 45 minutes I have ever seen for the Fun against us in 50 years of watching United.  Pretty much everything they did came off and they deserved to be more than 3-1 up at half time.  We were very poor, but we were made to be very poor.  First game of the season Murray bullied our centre halfs and the same thing happened again.  This time they figured out that running at our full backs (used to the support of an extra centre half) was going to mean chaos in our defence.  That coupled with Walton having a stinker meant, and I don't say this lightly, that Dundee (for my first time as an Arab) dominated us.  All of that is down to Goodwin.  If his centre halfs weren't fit or capable of handling the running and pressing of Murray why did he decide we could get by with less of them.  Sure some say we shouldn't need a back 5 against Dundee and I'd hope that was right, but it wasn't.

This is for any Utd players who look in, and i know for a fact some do.

 Even Utd legends like Narey, Hegarty, Sturrock, Gough etc have taken 4 at Tannadice to Dundee.



Keep the chins up lads. 

You have 8 games left to try and make us all proud. 

Time to go to WAR for the badge.

 

Always_United wrote:

play with full physical effort.

That essentially is the definition of going to 'War', in a football sense.

We can talk about tactics and formations all day long but they're all pointless if players don't give 100% fight for every ball, and every minute of the game.

Which we didn't see last Sunday, and is the main reason we capitulated quite so badly.

It cannot happen again. 
 

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Tek wrote:

This is for any Utd players who look in, and i know for a fact some do.

 Even Utd legends like Narey, Hegarty, Sturrock, Gough etc have taken 4 at Tannadice to Dundee.



Keep the chins up lads. 

You have 8 games left to try and make us all proud. 

Time to go to WAR for the badge.

 

 
8 games left to secure the top 6 and Europe. Finishing in the top 5 would be a great return considering we were in the championship last season. The fans deserve that for constantly backing the club last season and this season.

I just don’t think the players and Jim have it in them. Please prove me wrong.