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Arabdownsouth · 01/2/2025 9:04 pm

We are going to be sliding back down the league very soon. A two week wait now just to get humped off Celtic, brilliant!

Last edited by Arabdownsouth (01/2/2025 9:06 pm)

David_Blunkett · 01/2/2025 9:08 pm

I don't give a fuck if a foul is soft or a bricker, a foul is a foul, but a lesser foul on Butland was pulled up the other week and if Holt's handball is a pen and deemed correct by Collum then what the fuck was that at the end.Fuck VAR, fuck VAR refs and their inconsistency and fuck anyone who says it's not VAR, it's those running it.

It's shite. It's fucked the game.

Billy_Hainey · 01/2/2025 9:09 pm

We ah the points the SSBs have dropped over the last 14 gems, we shoulda been away fae them.

Now we've got the heebee jeebees sniffing aboot. They thirselves were sitting 2nd bottom no Lang ago.

CCX2 2010 · 01/2/2025 10:17 pm

That's what happens when you don't put away the numerous chances or opportunities that we had today.

Final ball was atrocious, Stephenson, Ferry, Strain, Middleton and Trapa all had really good opportunities and are capable of.much better.

For me Walton has to do better, if that was Dalby I would have been raging if that was disallowed.

Goodwin took far to long to get the wingers on and I thought that Babunski should have been put on to provide that but of quality that was missing.

Got to look at the bigger picture but that was a sore one tonight.

All will be forgiven if we win at Parkhead 😉.

Must do better

JGTA

Arabdownsouth · 01/2/2025 10:53 pm

CCX2 2010 wrote:
That's what happens when you don't put away the numerous chances or opportunities that we had today.

Final ball was atrocious, Stephenson, Ferry, Strain, Middleton and Trapa all had really good opportunities and are capable of.much better.

For me Walton has to do better, if that was Dalby I would have been raging if that was disallowed.

Goodwin took far to long to get the wingers on and I thought that Babunski should have been put on to provide that but of quality that was missing.

Got to look at the bigger picture but that was a sore one tonight.

All will be forgiven if we win at Parkhead 😉.

Must do better

JGTA

Win at parkhead and I'll eat my own shite 🤣

CCX2 2010 · 01/2/2025 11:03 pm

Arabdownsouth wrote:
CCX2 2010 wrote:
That's what happens when you don't put away the numerous chances or opportunities that we had today.

Final ball was atrocious, Stephenson, Ferry, Strain, Middleton and Trapa all had really good opportunities and are capable of.much better.

For me Walton has to do better, if that was Dalby I would have been raging if that was disallowed.

Goodwin took far to long to get the wingers on and I thought that Babunski should have been put on to provide that but of quality that was missing.

Got to look at the bigger picture but that was a sore one tonight.

All will be forgiven if we win at Parkhead 😉.

Must do better

JGTA

Win at parkhead and I'll eat my own shite 🤣

I will hold you to that😃, I somehow think you will be safe all the same.

CCX2 2010 · 01/2/2025 11:06 pm

One other wee small note, and it's a special wee mention for the young team.

Keep it up lads, brilliant effort from start to finish today, brought noise, colour and encouragement to the team.

There are good times ahead.

RogerTheAlien · 01/2/2025 11:07 pm

Ridiculous tactics to start with, no need to go with 5 at the back.

Tek · 02/2/2025 12:41 am

RogerTheAlien wrote:
Ridiculous tactics to start with, no need to go with 5 at the back.

Just so negative.

Went 442 last week and despite the defeat we played well and could quite conceivably have scored 3 or 4 against a good Rangers side.

So, we rock up to Killie playing 5 at the back with zero width. Obviously just trying to go back to his default setting of 'containment football'. Just utter shite all night and never changed things till far too late.

Walton gets no sympathy for me. He has to be a lot tougher than that. Take their Striker clean out if needs be. You're a Goalie, you'll get a way with that.

Goodwin has got a lot of praise recently, and most of it deserved, but he has to take his share of the blame for that tonight.

I'm also bewildered regards his January recruitment tbh.

We needed a pacey Striker and cover at LB for Ferry as a priority. We haven't addressed either of those positions.

Paton is a penalty box Striker, with no pace. We already had two (superior) penalty box Strikers. All of our options up top so similar. None give us an 'out-ball'.

Fiori an attacking No.10. We already have Babunski.

Campbell wasn't planned they said but not sure his signing was really needed either, now we have a two week break and a chance to rest Luca, Vicko and give Sibbald and Docherty a chance to return.

Get the feeling we haven't really 'strengthened' at all and are no further forward in finding our best XI and formation. All the signings just seem like 'more of the same'. I hope i'm wrong.

The slide will undoubtedly continue at Parkhead (please prove me wrong Jim and Utd).

Can only hope there are some signs of improvement on the day or 'positives' to take into the Motherwell game at home on the 22nd (a 6 pointer).

SlatefordArab · 02/2/2025 9:43 am

Walton has to do better BUT that’s still a foul on him for me. If that was a Celtic or Rangers keeper would that have been a foul? Think we all know the answer to that.

Still a poor performance though. Tough wee period we are
Going through now, those two home games v Motherwell and Hibs looking very important now.

CCX2 2010 · 02/2/2025 10:34 am

Tek wrote:
RogerTheAlien wrote:
Ridiculous tactics to start with, no need to go with 5 at the back.
Just so negative.

Went 442 last week and despite the defeat we played well and could quite conceivably have scored 3 or 4 against a good Rangers side.

So, we rock up to Killie playing 5 at the back with zero width. Obviously just trying to go back to his default setting of 'containment football'. Just utter shite all night and never changed things till far too late.

Walton gets no sympathy for me. He has to be a lot tougher than that. Take their Striker clean out if needs be. You're a Goalie, you'll get a way with that.

Goodwin has got a lot of praise recently, and most of it deserved, but he has to take his share of the blame for that tonight.

I'm also bewildered regards his January recruitment tbh.

We needed a pacey Striker and cover at LB for Ferry as a priority. We haven't addressed either of those positions.

Paton is a penalty box Striker, with no pace. We already had two (superior) penalty box Strikers. All of our options up top so similar. None give us an 'out-ball'.

Fiori an attacking No.10. We already have Babunski.

Campbell wasn't planned they said but not sure his signing was really needed either, now we have a two week break and a chance to rest Luca, Vicko and give Sibbald and Docherty a chance to return.

Get the feeling we haven't really 'strengthened' at all and are no further forward in finding our best XI and formation. All the signings just seem like 'more of the same'. I hope i'm wrong.

The slide will undoubtedly continue at Parkhead (please prove me wrong Jim and Utd).

Can only hope there are some signs of improvement on the day or 'positives' to take into the Motherwell game at home on the 22nd (a 6 pointer).

Disagree with most of this.

What the difference with 3-5-2 and 5-3-2, what 5 yards. I suppose it's just how you want to seen it but for.me both Ferry and Strain played most of the game in their half.

Watched it back this morning we just wasted lots of opportunities to create or score goals.

So many tines we picked the wrong pass, over hit a cross or took a poor touch in front of goal.

I do agree slightly about transfer window but not about signing Campbell, we only have two center midfielders. That was the priority.

Where I do agree is about Fiorini and Paton, it's not where I would have said we needed like for like with Paton or another number 10 when we already have plenty who can play there. Realistically who or where do we get a pacey Striker for free that is on form and will be able to come in and start scoring in the league?

Stillliving · 02/2/2025 4:51 pm

We have not been playing any
worse over the last few weeks than earlier in the season.
It's just we have been losing the close 50/50 games like yesterday's, whereas games earlier in the season like both Hibs games where we were 2nd best and managed to get points.
JGs tactics haven't changed. Top 6 is still the target and would be a great effort.
Sometimes you need to see the bigger picture, it's only 12months since we got played off the park by Airdrie at Tannadice.

CCX2 2010 · 02/2/2025 5:00 pm

Stillliving wrote:
We have not been playing any
worse over the last few weeks than earlier in the season.
It's just we have been losing the close 50/50 games like yesterday's, whereas games earlier in the season like both Hibs games where we were 2nd best and managed to get points.
JGs tactics haven't changed. Top 6 is still the target and would be a great effort.
Sometimes you need to see the bigger picture, it's only 12months since we got played off the park by Airdrie at Tannadice.

Good post SL.

Do you think though that maybe some teams have prepared better when coming up against us.

Hearts, Dundee, Killie, Rangers and even St Mirren, all of those teams done a lot better at win 1st and 2nd balls than they did on the first or second round of games.

Spot on about the bigger picture👍

Morphman · 02/2/2025 5:02 pm

Probably one of the worst games of football I've seen this season, plenty effort from both teams but absolutely low on quality. Emphasised in our 2 main chances from Stephenson & Middleton not being taken due to horrendous decision making.

Don't think Goodwin will ring the changes away to Celtic but I reckon a poor performance that weekend might see a few changes coming in against Well.

For me, I'd actually like to see us revert to the 3-4-3 that we started the season with. It's the formation Goodwin was banging on about playing with and we dropped it quite quick due to a lack of goals, however, I think with the players now being more familiar with each other we should be going back to it.

I am really not a big fan of the lack of attacking threat we have on the flanks, Strain is painfully average most weeks, nevers seems to perform better or worse than 6 out of 10, and if teams neutralise Ferry then we're pretty lacklustre going forward.

I feel with two wingers higher than the two wingbacks it would add a lot more options for overlaps and/or cutting inside with pace. Currently our attacking threat ends up being a cut back ball out wide to either Holt or Adeboyega who are pushing up in support of the wingback and then we just knock it sideways again as neither can really whip a cross in, or drive with pace inside to get a shot off.

Two up top isn't working for me, not when Moult, Dalby and Paton are all similar ish players.

Pick one of Middleton or Trap and FFS GIE MILLER THOMSON A GAME.

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United Arab Emarite · 02/2/2025 5:32 pm

Against Celtic I'd go 8-1-1 to try keep our goal difference in the black but v Motherwell I'd go 1-1-8 to get us hitting the byeline as often as possible. I'd play 6 wingers & 2 strikers.
We need WIDTH. It's amazing what can happen when you cut the ball back from the byeline.

Tek · 02/2/2025 7:38 pm

CCX2 2010 wrote:

Disagree with most of this.

I can't believe it. In utter shock!😱

Did your pager go off? Beep beep *he's criticising Goodwin again* Beep Beep.😂😂

Mate we turned up yesterday with 5 defenders (Strain, Adegboyega, Gallagher, Holt, Ferry) after only playing with 4 against Rangers, that was my point. We could argue back and forth about whether it was a 532 or 352 but let's not bother, neither of us will agree and it's a waste of both our times.

On your point "Realistically who or where do we get a pacey Striker for free that is on form and will be able to come in and start scoring in the league?"

I don't know, but other teams seem to manage it.

Motherwell took Mahwanise after he was released by Leicester and subsequently played a trial match against Everton. Before that they had Theo Bair who they signed from St.Johnstone.

St.Mirren signed Toyosi Olusanya from Middlesborough.

Neither of these players were 'on form', they took a punt on all them and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. That's what clubs our size do.

We have had a Head of Recruitment in for two transfer windows now, working alongside Goodwin and we have failed in both windows to address this area of the team, something that i know you agree is something we need. We cannot go a third window without addressing this, if we want to improve as a team. It should not be seen as an impossibility to rectify this.

Until then we will continue to be one dimensional, one paced and have no 'out-ball' when we are up against it or struggling to put passes together. Luckily this is a very poor standard of league this season where 'industrial tactics' like long throw in's etc will harbour success. But that wont last forever and i already think we are getting sussed out somewhat.

CCX2 2010 · 02/2/2025 8:23 pm

My Goodwin alarm went off went off in the middle of the night so wasn't best pleased, in future when criticising please do it at a reasonable hour 😉.

Every single team in the league will line up with at least 4/5 defenders, we play with 3 CHs and 2 WBs.

Your point about these fast pacey strikers, the lad at St Mirren has 7 league goals and his team ain't tearing up the league.

The boy at Motherwell is a good player but he has 5 league goals, his team are currently in free fall.

I would like a fast striker, something different but that doesn't necessarily mean we will be successful, and that's all I care about.

Final point on Goodwin, I do give him stick look at most of my recent thoughts after a game but he gets more right than he gets wrong and has us 3rd in the table, somewhere nobody really expects us to finish.

United Arab Emarite · 02/2/2025 8:25 pm

Sorry I can't reply to all your points Tek but can I just say that 3-5-2 & 5-3-2 is exactly the same thing.

As is 4-1-4-1 and 4-4-2 etc etc. It's all Sky shite which keeps 'pundits' in lucrative business.

The more formation & tactical shite they talk the more they get paid.

Grown men walking over gigantic pitch maps with beaming hot spots at their disposal shining down.

We've all been Skyed cos it is a huge industry.

I wasn't watching the English game earlier cos I don't watch it but the lesser paid players are on £15k per day.

And industrial long throws will continue to be used by a lot of teams, they will not be 'sussed' but they will continue to be difficult to defend so why not?

redford_must_score · 02/2/2025 8:44 pm

What alarmed me most was how utter sh1te we were. Completely rubbish.
In fact worse than that.
Could hardly pass the ball correctly could barely construct a move that involved more than 2 correct passes.
Made the wrong choice with the ball time and time again.
And this isn't something new, it's been there but often glossed over due to a positive result.
I like Jim Goodwin and overall he has done a great job but he HAS TO find a way of playing which includes football as it was designed to be played.

I'm still raging at how bad we were.
And we need to get these long throws in the fucking bin or at least vary it.

Starting with no width in attack, we saw how that worked at Dens in the Cup - it FUCKING DIDN'T!

Unacceptable. Just unacceptable.

Slotbadger · 02/2/2025 9:16 pm

Pish game. Always is at Killy. That pitch is criminal. Would love to see stats over the last 20 years for when they lost almost all their away games cause they are shite, but won most of their home games cause of that pitch and avoided relegation.

We are definitely not having the luck just now. We were earlier in the season. How many times have we got the woodwork in the last 3 games ffs…

The goal is disgusting. Walton was soft as shite and should have done better. But the boy charges him with his elbow and it is absolutely a foul. VAR is a complete waste of time. I hate it.

Tek · 02/2/2025 9:40 pm

CCX2 2010 wrote:
Your point about these fast pacey strikers, the lad at St Mirren has 7 league goals and his team ain't tearing up the league.

The boy at Motherwell is a good player but he has 5 league goals, his team are currently in free fall.

.

That's 7 and 5 goals more than VDS, respectively.

Mahswanhise is probably hamstrung slightly that he's playing up top with the World's laziest player (Tony Watt).

My point was more one that we need a different option in the final third to be able to change up our play.

Morphman above is sort of correct in his assumption that if you stop Will Ferry getting forward you negate a huge part of our attacking intent. And it's unrealistic to expect him to play every week at such a high standard.

Can't understand not looking for cover for him.

Anyway, looks like no more incoming now, so no point fretting. Just need to hope we can somehow start scraping together some wins post-Celtic.

Tek · 02/2/2025 9:43 pm

redford_must_score wrote:
I like Jim Goodwin and overall he has done a great job but he HAS TO find a way of playing which includes football as it was designed to be played..

'If you want entertainment, go to the cinema'.

redford_must_score · 02/2/2025 9:51 pm

Tek wrote:
redford_must_score wrote:
I like Jim Goodwin and overall he has done a great job but he HAS TO find a way of playing which includes football as it was designed to be played..
'If you want entertainment, go to the cinema'.

Kinda figured that part of my post would be singled out by someone.
I'm not asking for entertainment I'm asking for my football team to be able to construct a simple football move through midfield with more than 2 passes before it breaks down.

Tek · 02/2/2025 10:51 pm

redford_must_score wrote:
Tek wrote:
redford_must_score wrote:
I like Jim Goodwin and overall he has done a great job but he HAS TO find a way of playing which includes football as it was designed to be played..
'If you want entertainment, go to the cinema'.

Kinda figured that part of my post would be singled out by someone.
I'm not asking for entertainment I'm asking for my football team to be able to construct a simple football move through midfield with more than 2 passes before it breaks down.

Mate, I'm with you.

Just quoting someone else from this forum.😎

Always_United · 02/2/2025 10:56 pm

Tek wrote:
redford_must_score wrote:
I like Jim Goodwin and overall he has done a great job but he HAS TO find a way of playing which includes football as it was designed to be played..
'If you want entertainment, go to the cinema'.

Totally agree.

Let's get back to playing ugly, and winning. Even if it's 1-0 with an own goal.