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17/10/2022 2:14 am  #1


Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

What Utd 1st XI would you like to see for this huge match for the club?

 

17/10/2022 8:54 am  #2


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

I’d probably give birighitti, mulgrew, djoum and Fletcher a start

Birighitti
Edwards mulgrew mcmann
Freeman djoum levitt behich
Middleton Fletcher watt

 

17/10/2022 9:28 am  #3


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

SuperMario wrote:

I’d probably give birighitti, mulgrew, djoum and Fletcher a start

Birighitti
Edwards mulgrew mcmann
Freeman djoum levitt behich
Middleton Fletcher watt

 
I don't agree with moving Edwards from his favoured central role nor moving Watt out onto the left now he's actually scoring again. My thoughts on the keeper are well documented too.

 

17/10/2022 11:04 am  #4


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

Eriksson

Edwards
Mulgrew
McMann

Freeman
Sibbald
Levitt
Behich

McGrath

Watt
Fletcher

They are a big, big side. Probably going to need a bit more physicality. Might even bring Graham in for McMann, harsh as it is.
 


Too much commotion
 

17/10/2022 11:36 am  #5


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

Given how close we are to a trip to hampden I would like to see our strongest possible team.
Maybe bring Graham in for McMann for the extra height.

During the world cup break I am sure we will have plenty of bounce games to try and sharpen some players returning from injury no need to use the cup for that.

 

17/10/2022 12:10 pm  #6


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

lifesanocean wrote:

Eriksson

Edwards
Mulgrew
McMann

Freeman
Sibbald
Levitt
Behich

McGrath

Watt
Fletcher

They are a big, big side. Probably going to need a bit more physicality. Might even bring Graham in for McMann, harsh as it is.
 

 
Watt has to play centrally, if that means he can't play with Fletcher in our current formation then so be it. The defence is settled and I'd not changing it barring injury. Plenty of options from the bench though which is nice for a change.

 

17/10/2022 1:19 pm  #7


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

Arabdownsouth wrote:

lifesanocean wrote:

Eriksson

Edwards
Mulgrew
McMann

Freeman
Sibbald
Levitt
Behich

McGrath

Watt
Fletcher

They are a big, big side. Probably going to need a bit more physicality. Might even bring Graham in for McMann, harsh as it is.

Watt has to play centrally, if that means he can't play with Fletcher in our current formation then so be it. The defence is settled and I'd not changing it barring injury. Plenty of options from the bench though which is nice for a change.

You are able to play 2 up front together you know?

3-4-1-2
 

 

Last edited by lifesanocean (17/10/2022 1:20 pm)


Too much commotion
 

17/10/2022 2:41 pm  #8


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

Will be our 4th game in just 10 days.

Would be utter folly not to threshen things up a bit. But not too much.

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17/10/2022 6:58 pm  #9


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

We do need to freshen up a bit however the keeper and the defence shouldn't be touched.

I also would not be entertaining any thoughts of dropping Watt, the guys is on form a finally is starting to fulfill the promise he had when he signed from Motherwell.

Midfield is where we can drop one or two and rotate a bit, not fussed who but definitely need yo start Levitt.

Financially the tie I'd worth quite a bit of cash especially if the OF are drawn together in the semi, so fingers crossed we get through to Hampden for the first time in ages.

 

17/10/2022 7:10 pm  #10


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

lifesanocean wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

lifesanocean wrote:

Eriksson

Edwards
Mulgrew
McMann

Freeman
Sibbald
Levitt
Behich

McGrath

Watt
Fletcher

They are a big, big side. Probably going to need a bit more physicality. Might even bring Graham in for McMann, harsh as it is.

Watt has to play centrally, if that means he can't play with Fletcher in our current formation then so be it. The defence is settled and I'd not changing it barring injury. Plenty of options from the bench though which is nice for a change.

You are able to play 2 up front together you know?

3-4-1-2
 

 

 
Is that our current formation though? Because that is what I said

 

17/10/2022 9:46 pm  #11


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

Tek wrote:

Will be our 4th game in just 10 days.

Would be utter folly not to threshen things up a bit. But not too much.

Mulgrew, Fletcher, Meekison
 

 

17/10/2022 9:59 pm  #12


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

Is this Laffertys last game before his hearing?

 

18/10/2022 9:44 pm  #13


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

Truly awful performance. What’s happened to Levitt?  Killie are mince too.

 

18/10/2022 10:19 pm  #14


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

That was hard to watch. Phuckin boufin. Didna seem to be any decent plan oe attack.

We seemed to start slowin doon right efter we equalised, even tho we the better side in the 1st half.

Then we were pretty flat for the 2nd half of the gehm. and we basically thu the gehm awa.

The 2nd was a pretty shitey goal to lose, and the Subbies were made too late.

Too much pusy-in aboot at the back again. I mean in the last minute oe the gehm, Ericksson passes the ba oot to Smith to be given it right back again. I mean WTF.

Seems to be our mantra ATM.

 

18/10/2022 10:30 pm  #15


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

Beaten by the better side.
Going to be tight in bottom six this year.

 

18/10/2022 10:34 pm  #16


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

I was away last week and delighted with the results. Thought maybe Fox had got us in better shape, but that performance both on the park and from Fox himself was deplorable. Can we practice stopping crosses into the box?

Positives - Djoum looks like the player we have been missing to break up play in the middle. Ericsson despite the farting about at the back (which he’s not capable of) is looking more like a keeper that won’t flog too many games. Middleton had a decent game.

Negatives - centre defence not solid enough. Edwards, McMann and Smith were OK, but if our full backs can’t stop crosses they’ll eventually get found out. Levitt, I mean what the actual f…. Why is he so deep?  Behich was pish. WTF is he doing at the goal?  McGrath - Twitter seem to think he’s our best player.  Really?  He’s lazy as feck and contributed nothing to the game. Watt is taking the piss. Horrible performance.  Cudjoe looks like my son at 12 playing against men. Why?

Seems my holiday hopes were well off the mark

 

18/10/2022 10:57 pm  #17


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

That was extremely disappointing, just not enough aggression from far too many of our players.

They quite simply wanted it more and the deserved to beat us.

It's everywhere on the pitch in my opinion not just in the midfield. I listened to McInnes after the game and he pointed out what most of us are all too familiar with, it's easy to get balls into our box and when you do we struggle to deal with them.

St Mirren will copy this on Saturday so Behich and Freeman(if he is lucky enough to start) had better show just a bit more determination to put there bodies on the line. I know they ain't the only ones but the need to set the standard.

At the right center back and right wing back its so weak, the reluctance to attack headers and tackles is shocking. Both Freeman and Smith need to toughen up.

One other wee thing I noticed tonight in the first half when Erikson was trying to set up his wall, Lafferty stood right in front of him to block his view, what captain or team mate would let this happen? Lafferty should have been dragged by the scruff of his knock out the way. That just about said it all about us tonight, not streetwise and too easily bullied/ pushed over.

Finally for Liam Fox, I listened to him after the match.  There was nearly a fuckin 1000 of us there tonight for a match which was on the TV, not a mention of the fans who had to watch that punchless performance.  A blind man could the second goal coming, you were miles too late with your subs. Together/united we might just get out of this shitshow that you have been part of the season, try and create that togetherness that we will need.

Getting a team on the park that matches the commitment of the fans and you won't be far away.

 

19/10/2022 1:26 am  #18


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

Fucking awful 'performance' in a very winnable Cup Quarter Final, with a trip to Hampden at stake.

Yes, we were fucked over by Clancy with the Killie pen (why is he still allowed to oficiate Utd games after the Ciftci incident in Inverness?), but truth be told we were powderpuff all night long.

One shot on target (which was our goal). Nowhere near good enough.

Liam Fox has to take his share of the blame for tonight too.

Hindsight is something none of us have the luxury of, but most agreed that we should make changes for tonight and freshen up the team, in what would be our 4th game in 10 days. As it was his only change was dropping Sibbald for Djoum. Btw what was the point in signing Djoum? To play DCM presumably?

Then why of why is Dylan Levitt playing deeper than him tonight?  He is so deep these days that he is just in front of the back 3. It's bizarre and a total waste of the boys talents. He should be about 40/50 yards further up the pitch ffs (where he has scored all his goals for Utd).

He also made subs far too late, and the wrong subs too. Game was crying out for Sadat Anaku, a direct, pacey player who we could hit over the top too. Instead he bizarrely let's Djoum and Watt play the entire 90 (both poor and slow on the night). And the Cudjoe sub just bizarre. The lad hasn't featured for weeks n weeks and brought on tonight from nowhere in a game we're chasing.

We look miles away from being a team that will be back at Hampden anytime soon, sadly.

We have some good players, but the squad imbalance is awful and we are shoehorning too many similar players into the team and just hoping that 'quality' wins the day. 

The team has no real style of play or identity. All rather depressing tbqh.

P.S. One last thing. Where the fuck is Peter Pawlett? Featured against Aberdeen (and looked good). Tonight not even on the bench. Tell me he's not injured already ffs.

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19/10/2022 2:40 am  #19


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

CCX2 2010 wrote:

One other wee thing I noticed tonight in the first half when Erikson was trying to set up his wall, Lafferty stood right in front of him to block his view, what captain or team mate would let this happen? Lafferty should have been dragged by the scruff of his knock out the way. That just about said it all about us tonight, not streetwise and too easily bullied/ pushed over.
.

Mate, the Keeper is a big guy himself. WTF is he not either just standing in front of Lafferty, pushing him the fuck out of the way or screaming at the Ref to draw attention to his actions? He just took it lying down.

Same as our players coming out the tunnel and getting slapped by the wee prick with that goalies glove. Only Tony Watt tried to whack it out the way (only thing he done all night tbf).

Soft, soft, soft. 

But i do agree, a good Captain drags Lafferty the fuck out the way until the Ref is forced to intervene.

Edwards? Not a Captain. One of the first who's heads go down.
 

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19/10/2022 3:09 am  #20


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

How is the Dundee United Lab coming along?

Hope they teach the kids to stop crosses. It was obvious after 5 minutes what Killie were doing.

took too long to change formation second half

Last edited by douglas arab (21/10/2022 10:17 am)

 

19/10/2022 8:32 am  #21


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

Fox needed to make more changes to starting 11 last night, we looked like a team that had played 4 games in 10 days, we were completely outworked

When we actually passed the ball about we looked ok, but the constant punting up the park was eye bleeding stuff

Massive game Saturday now

 

19/10/2022 8:33 am  #22


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

Tek wrote:

CCX2 2010 wrote:

One other wee thing I noticed tonight in the first half when Erikson was trying to set up his wall, Lafferty stood right in front of him to block his view, what captain or team mate would let this happen? Lafferty should have been dragged by the scruff of his knock out the way. That just about said it all about us tonight, not streetwise and too easily bullied/ pushed over.
.

Mate, the Keeper is a big guy himself. WTF is he not either just standing in front of Lafferty, pushing him the fuck out of the way or screaming at the Ref to draw attention to his actions? He just took it lying down.

Same as our players coming out the tunnel and getting slapped by the wee prick with that goalies glove. Only Tony Watt tried to whack it out the way (only thing he done all night tbf).

Soft, soft, soft. 

But i do agree, a good Captain drags Lafferty the fuck out the way until the Ref is forced to intervene.

Edwards? Not a Captain. One of the first who's heads go down.
 

I take your point about the keeper but when is standing at his.posts trying to set the position of the wall and an opposition player is taking the piss, I think the players just didn't fancy mixing it with Lafferty.

Seen some videos of the tunnel incident when I got home, so many of them just accept it. Grab the item off the wee dick.

Maybe it's just the modern game and maybe I am a dinosaur but the amateur teams I played in not so long ago would never have been bullied the way we are.

On our midfield,  it's bugs the life out of me just how eager they are to get the ball off the defenders toes but go missing at the other end where it really matters.

 

19/10/2022 10:18 am  #23


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

Thought the first half was pretty even really, second half absolute garbage from us.   Thought all the players looked very leggy and tired, Behich in particular who has been full of energy the last three games looked like he was running in treacle. 

Don't get the subs either.  Djoum has hardly kicked a ball for months, stays on for the full 90 and Sibbald is only brought on with 10 to play. 

Hopefully we can get back to the type of performance on Saturday that we've seen in the Aberdeen and Hibs games.

 

19/10/2022 12:50 pm  #24


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

The subs were bizarre.

Ok bringing Fletcher on and going to a back 4 was fair enough, but it was reactive rather than pro-active.  It should have been done sooner.  It would have forced their Lafferty/Taylor sub earlier and crucially before the goal.  Lafferty was just a nuisance to our defence the whole night as we can't stop crosses at source.

Cudjoe was just bizarre.  Granted McGrath was pish and deserved to be hooked much earlier.  But what did Fox tell Cudjoe?  Run about like a headless chicken bouncing off Killie players with no positive effect on the ball? Because that is what he did.  Maybe there was a scout up looking at him?  I can't see any other reason for bringing him on at all.  

Anyone could see that Levitt's skills are totally wasted playing so deep and it is not as if he is needed there to provide defensive cover as he's rubbish at that anyway.  So when I saw Sibbald about to come on I'd assumed that Djoum (who I thought had a decent game but was breathing out of his arse by then) would be hooked and Sibbald would slot in where Levitt was and he would push forward. No, he hooks Levitt and leaves the knackered (and on a yellow) Djoum on the pitch.  Only then we see Sibbald actually bet a player and move forward with the ball (something that no other midfielder achieved all night).

Genuinely worry that we are going to suffer badly due to Fox's naivety/inability.  Why did he not play Djoum deeper than Levitt?  Could he not see that the wing backs weren't able to stop crosses?  Could he not see that Watt on his own up front was a waste of time.  I'm assuming McGrath has shown up in the previous three games (I've been out of the country) as he was total pish last night and on that form should be nowehere near the first XI.

...and at least I don't have to watch Premier Sports again this season - what a terrible picture quality.

Last edited by Finn Seemann (19/10/2022 12:53 pm)

 

19/10/2022 1:00 pm  #25


Re: Killie v Utd - League Cup Quarter Final - Tuesday 18th October

The subs were very naive last night. Would’ve had Fletcher, Sibbald and Graham on earlier for Watt, Djoum and McMann. We needed energy and height.

He got his man in Stevie Crawford but would like to see an experienced coach beside him like Tony Docherty, Gordon Forrest etc.

 

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