I'd argue Tek that they've always been like that. They only seem more silent these days because things have been shit. Not had a peep out of them since they went on the euro jolly to the dam.

They seem more than happy to let Asghar be the decision maker and run the club as he sees fit.

Arabdownsouth wrote:

Tek wrote:

Is it acceptable to Utd fans that they are becoming ever more silent owners and seem to only appear when things are going well?

Surely the fans deserve to hear from them and get some indication that they are aware of the huge mess we are and take some culpability for vetoing the decisions that have been made?

Because at the moment it looks to me like they are in hiding.

 
The owners have pumped a fortune into the club, and you want to find something to have a go at them for?

Firstly, they want every penny of their money back and then some.

Secondly they are in charge of the absolute clusterfuck we currently are as a club.

So, you're damn right i'm having a go at them.
 

Arabdownsouth wrote:

Just remember where we'd be right now if they hadn't spunked a fucking fortune though.

Where would we be? Do tell.
 

Arabdownsouth wrote:

People on here have said there would have been other investors but yet to hear of who they were?

4 minute mark. 

'There were a number of people we were speaking too'.



 

CCX2 2010 wrote:

If the Ogrens do read this forum then have a wee listen to the Scottish football podcast today on BBC radio Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0d444ck

Listen for 7 minutes from the 30 minute mark where Craig Levien, Darryl Broadfoot and Kenny Miller detail exactly what most of us seen coming months ago with regards to the recruitment (timing and personnel).

We are the only team out of 42 professional clubs without a league win.

Alarm bells MUST be ringing if if they ain't then you don't know what you are doing.

We are going down without urgent change, no leadership off the pitch and evidently nothing on it either.

The only positive we have is that 2 or 3 clubs are still as poor as they were last season and we could still get out of this if You start showing some leadership. This is when we need you here, not on a jolly to Amsterdam when things are all rosie in the garden.

You could do a lot worse than giving Levein a call he knows a thing or two about getting us up the table.

Brilliant post.👏
 

Tek wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

People on here have said there would have been other investors but yet to hear of who they were?

4 minute mark. 

'There were a number of people we were speaking too'.



 

 
OK but when the club use the same line about candidates for the Manager's job it gets dismissed as bullshit.

So forgive me for not being convinced 👍

I'd also point out that the interview mentioned other American investors (unnamed) so that still doesn't really answer my question. One American, two Americans, three Americans, what's the difference? If it had been a different investor you'd still be wanting them out by now.

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AlwaysUnited wrote:

What we are seeing now is an unfortunate blip. The structures of the club remain sound, the academy is thriving and the team is jam packed full of internationals.

It goes without saying that results haven't been great, but I've started seeing some green shoots of recovery, and I fully expect us to beat Aberdeen on Saturday.

 
Seriously, shut the fuck up now eh?

Arabdownsouth wrote:

Shakey Isles Arab wrote:

CCX Podcast sums it up perfectly.
Bring on Morton, Cove, Hamilton etc.
Utterly despondent.

Edit:  Fed up hearing about how Ogren came in and saved the club.
We were up Shit Creek then, we're up Shit Creek now.
 

 
But Ogren did come in and save the club though.

This is a bit of a fallacy to be honest.  Thompson was not going to let his family money disappear.  Granted we had cut our cloth, but we were not going to go bust any time soon.  Now we are £10M down to a guy who expects a return on his money and only wants to be involved when the good times are around.  Meanwhile he's left us in the incapable hands of a self-aggrandizing charlatan.

That may be your idea of saved.  It's not mine.

Arabdownsouth wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

 
But Ogren did come in and save the club though.

This is a bit of a fallacy to be honest.  Thompson was not going to let his family money disappear.  Granted we had cut our cloth, but we were not going to go bust any time soon.  Now we are £10M down to a guy who expects a return on his money and only wants to be involved when the good times are around.  Meanwhile he's left us in the incapable hands of a self-aggrandizing charlatan.

That may be your idea of saved.  It's not mine.

 
4th in the Prem and into Europe was my idea of saved as opposed to getting humiliated by Ayr, Alloa, Arbroath, Falkirk etc. Are you actually saying you'd have preferred to keep Thompson?

I think I'm ambivalent on Thompson to be honest.  I think we are, financially, in a more precarious position now.  

That said, I am grateful for Mr Ogren's investment, but he should have had the club in a much healthier position both on the park and financially for his £10M.  He's just chosen the wrong people to spend it (and spend it they have).

I'm not seeing a lot of positives in getting schooled by Celtic, Hearts, Motherwell, St Mirren and St. Johnstone.  Maybe just a better class of humiliation?

The 4th place was, as most people thought, a bit of a fluke though.  Certainly it does appear that Aberdeen, Hibs, St Johnstone, St Mirren and Ross County are better teams this season.  I was willing to forgive on the European front.  It was a great night at Tannadice (although the lack of a defensive midfield was glaringly obvious that night). The manner of the defeat in Holland was embarrassing, but we were never getting throught that tie anyway.

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Lancashire-Arab wrote:

AlwaysUnited wrote:

What we are seeing now is an unfortunate blip. The structures of the club remain sound, the academy is thriving and the team is jam packed full of internationals.

It goes without saying that results haven't been great, but I've started seeing some green shoots of recovery, and I fully expect us to beat Aberdeen on Saturday.

Can you ellaborate on your view the academy is thriving as i dont see it the same way and wanted to understand your view in more depth?  Also would say a team full of internationals doesnt mean you will win every week.

Having worked for American companies a lot I can say they dont mess around and I am certain the pressure will be on Asghar to deliver more on what was promised or else he is likely to be on his way, however they would not come out and publicly say this the pressure will be applied behind closed doors. 

With this in mind i hope Asghar does not try to influence or apply undue pressure to fox because he is in the owners spotlight -   

As the sporting director, if all things football are not performing as expected and he has had the chance to improve them then the buck has to stop somewhere, in business I have seen this many times where an MD or a CEO gets the opportunity to restructure to improve performance before they are exited.  I would not be surprised if the Ogrens have done this at United.

You may have a point here.  One view of Asghar is (although he has burnt through cash he didn't need to) that on the face of it we have improved on the park up until now (at least in league standing - albeit anyone who knows football knows that other than some fine performances (0-3 at Easter Road) the standard of the football has been deplorable).  

If what you say is true, I'm glad he's knuckling down to the pressure by jetting off to, no doubt, talk pish in places like Seville, possibly at Ogren's expense.  That'll improve us.  Fingers crossed you are right though and the clock is ticking.

Tek wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

Tek wrote:

4 minute mark. 

'There were a number of people we were speaking too'.



 

 
OK but when the club use the same line about candidates for the Manager's job it gets dismissed as bullshit.

So forgive me for not being convinced 👍

I'd also point out that the interview mentioned other American investors (unnamed) so that still doesn't really answer my question. One American, two Americans, three Americans, what's the difference? If it had been a different investor you'd still be wanting them out by now.

No.

You questioned that there were even other potential buyers at all.

I have provided you with evidence from the Horses mouth (Utd's Chairman at the time) and you have now switched to some kind of childish stance of 'oh people don't believe Tony Asghar, so i won't believe Mike Martin'. For no other reason than you don't want to back down from your false narrative that the Ogren's 'saved' Utd.

As for your last point that i would want any or all of the other potential buyers out by now also. Pure make belief stuff.

I didn't even say i wanted the Ogren's 'out'. I said i would like them to be held accountable and not be faceless towards the support when the club is going through times of strife (they are afterall, happy to do interviews etc when the club is doing well). The club needs strong leadership right  now and needs it's leader to be seen to want to be present.
 

 
I said I'd yet to hear who they were, those were my actual words yes? I still don't know who they were.

At which point was my post childish? If anyone is having a hissy fit here it's you mate. My point was perfectly valid.

Whether you like it or not, Ogrens money got us out of the championship and kept us afloat throughout covid. I'd pretty much say that saved us from going under. But you just carry on with your agenda though.

Oh and on the Mike Martin thing, I've no doubt you believe everything he had to say but that doesn't mean everyone has to take his words as gospel whilst dismissing everything the club comes out with now as bullshit.

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Arabdownsouth wrote:

Tek wrote:

Arabdownsouth wrote:

 
OK but when the club use the same line about candidates for the Manager's job it gets dismissed as bullshit.

So forgive me for not being convinced 👍

I'd also point out that the interview mentioned other American investors (unnamed) so that still doesn't really answer my question. One American, two Americans, three Americans, what's the difference? If it had been a different investor you'd still be wanting them out by now.

No.

You questioned that there were even other potential buyers at all.

I have provided you with evidence from the Horses mouth (Utd's Chairman at the time) and you have now switched to some kind of childish stance of 'oh people don't believe Tony Asghar, so i won't believe Mike Martin'. For no other reason than you don't want to back down from your false narrative that the Ogren's 'saved' Utd.

As for your last point that i would want any or all of the other potential buyers out by now also. Pure make belief stuff.

I didn't even say i wanted the Ogren's 'out'. I said i would like them to be held accountable and not be faceless towards the support when the club is going through times of strife (they are afterall, happy to do interviews etc when the club is doing well). The club needs strong leadership right  now and needs it's leader to be seen to want to be present.
 

 
I said I'd yet to hear who they were, those were my actual words yes? I still don't know who they were.

At which point was my post childish? If anyone is having a hissy fit here it's you mate. My point was perfectly valid.

Whether you like it or not, Ogrens money got us out of the championship and kept us afloat throughout covid. I'd pretty much say that saved us from going under. But you just carry on with your agenda though.

Oh and on the Mike Martin thing, I've no doubt you believe everything he had to say but that doesn't mean everyone has to take his words as gospel whilst dismissing everything the club comes out with now as bullshit.

I need to remember to stop interacting with you on here.

A completely pointless exercise.