Tekel Towers » Jack Ross gone

TangerineDream · 30/8/2022 11:11 am

Been a disaster for Ross and especially us. FFS terrible few weeks since AZ at hame.

Anyway, onwards and upwards now hopefully. Players massively culpable in all this and someone strong required to sort them and the mess out. Get rid of a couple of pretenders hopefully and some urgent signings that we all know are needed.

Billy_Hainey · 30/8/2022 11:12 am

Not entirely surprised. Think Arsegas should be oot on his @rse tae.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jack-ross-sacked-dundee-united-27852031

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Billy_Hainey · 30/8/2022 11:19 am

On fishul.

https://www.dundeeunitedfc.co.uk/news/7465/CLUB-STATEMENT-JACK-ROSS.html

dufc2019 · 30/8/2022 12:03 pm

United Arab Emarite wrote:
All my sympathies are with Jack Ross. He'll be a good man with a family with his career now in tatters.
I hope the players have red faces at St Andrews this morning but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't, we really don't know the dynamic.
But incresaingly the redest face in the Club should belong to A.N.Other as all warnings & rumours are slowly coming home to roost.

is that black roost ?

AlwaysUnited · 30/8/2022 12:03 pm

This is a dark day for the club, but sadly the correct decision. When the manager loses the dressing room it is only right that the board acts quickly.

The next appointment is huge. Luckily there is still a lot of time to turn things around, starting tomorrow.

Finn Seemann · 30/8/2022 12:07 pm

When he came in my hope was that Ross had fought for an element of control that Courts didn't have. Actually I think he maybe did get that as we ditched Courts targets and Tony splashed out for some more 'established' names that Ross seems to have approved.

What I didn't anticipate was that he actually needed to look at the dressing room for his enemies.

The whole saga has been an absolute embarrassment for our once revered club. All of this ultimately sits at the door of the Sporting Director who is responsible for engineering Courts promotion, departure (as well as Neilson and Mellon) and hiring Ross. How many times do we allow Tony to get it wrong? Ogren has to bite the bullet here and clear out the bad apples including the Asghars.

Macbonzo · 30/8/2022 12:08 pm

AlwaysUnited wrote:
This is a dark day for the club, but sadly the correct decision. When the manager loses the dressing room it is only right that the board acts quickly.

The next appointment is huge. Luckily there is still a lot of time to turn things around, starting tomorrow.

Simple question: Do you believe in the Sporting Director model for running the club?

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dufc2019 · 30/8/2022 1:11 pm

United Arab Emarite wrote:
dufc2019 wrote:
United Arab Emarite wrote:
All my sympathies are with Jack Ross. He'll be a good man with a family with his career now in tatters.
I hope the players have red faces at St Andrews this morning but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't, we really don't know the dynamic.
But incresaingly the redest face in the Club should belong to A.N.Other as all warnings & rumours are slowly coming home to roost.

is that black roost ?

Saw on EF a reference to Black Rooster Gang.
Anyone explain?

The clique that allegedly got Ross the sack

AlwaysUnited · 30/8/2022 1:14 pm

Macbonzo wrote:
AlwaysUnited wrote:
This is a dark day for the club, but sadly the correct decision. When the manager loses the dressing room it is only right that the board acts quickly.

The next appointment is huge. Luckily there is still a lot of time to turn things around, starting tomorrow.

Simple question: Do you believe in the Sporting Director model for running the club?

Yes.

AlonsMosely · 30/8/2022 1:20 pm

If there is a clique that got the manager the sack, a clique which ultimately is behind the embarrassment of the 7-0 & 9-0, a clique that obviously do not value the colours and our badge...then they should be the ones the sporting director should sort put pronto....fakes and phonies to a man.....

RogerTheAlien · 30/8/2022 3:56 pm

If rumours about certain players are true, it’s time we get them to fuck.

CCX2 2010 · 30/8/2022 3:59 pm

AlwaysUnited wrote:
This is a dark day for the club, but sadly the correct decision. When the manager loses the dressing room it is only right that the board acts quickly.

The next appointment is huge. Luckily there is still a lot of time to turn things around, starting tomorrow.

It's the same guy picking the head coach and recruiting players.

The squad of players is so unbalanced, middle of the park and CH positions are urgently requiring additions and that's after we need to get someone who can actually catch a football.

In pursuit of our 5th manager in three years is costing the owners a small fortune, I hope they don't come back again with the begging bowl.

Rick Dagless · 30/8/2022 5:20 pm

Canadian Arab wrote:
This whole thing feels like Heggy and Mo getting handed their stuff in a black bin bag, all over again.

Jack Ross seems like a decent, honest guy and he was on "a different level" as a coach when we hired him 2 months ago. Today's statement from the club is pretty terse. I think Jack Ross deserved a more respectful comment than that.

I have no idea what sort of an individual is going to want to come into the middle of this mess and take over. Personally, I'd be very happy with Levein. Some of the players might not be though.

I am completely out of the loop wrt the word on the street about player cliques. Can anyone enlighten me?

The black rooster gang is Mulgrew Watt and others who frequent that establishment often.

The rumour is Mulgrew had it very cushty under Tam having a say on tactics and even the training he took part in. When Ross came in he put a stop to that and told him he was a player, not a coach. And if he didn't like that to go elsewhere.

Charlie apparently led the players meeting a couple of weeks back saying he had no faith in Ross' methods and Watt chipped in backing him up.

All rumour of course.

Morphman · 30/8/2022 5:41 pm

Rick Dagless wrote:
Canadian Arab wrote:
This whole thing feels like Heggy and Mo getting handed their stuff in a black bin bag, all over again.

Jack Ross seems like a decent, honest guy and he was on "a different level" as a coach when we hired him 2 months ago. Today's statement from the club is pretty terse. I think Jack Ross deserved a more respectful comment than that.

I have no idea what sort of an individual is going to want to come into the middle of this mess and take over. Personally, I'd be very happy with Levein. Some of the players might not be though.

I am completely out of the loop wrt the word on the street about player cliques. Can anyone enlighten me?
The black rooster gang is Mulgrew Watt and others who frequent that establishment often.

The rumour is Mulgrew had it very cushty under Tam having a say on tactics and even the training he took part in. When Ross came in he put a stop to that and told him he was a player, not a coach. And if he didn't like that to go elsewhere.

Charlie apparently led the players meeting a couple of weeks back saying he had no faith in Ross' methods and Watt chipped in backing him up.

All rumour of course.

In fairness, I thought Mulgrew was brought in under a player-coach/advisor role. Courts even speaks about it in this article:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/charlie-mulgrew-receives-warm-dundee-24326391

I back the club on sacking him, even if you do believe the rumours of some sort of player led coup, losing the backing of senior players after a few months and half a dozen games in the job is real amateur stuff. Player power is part of the modern game at every level, whether you like it or not.

Refusing to play a defensive mid despite being absolutely battered in the middle of the park for week absolutely reeks of poor tactics in addition to poor man management.

lifesanocean · 30/8/2022 6:18 pm

Rick Dagless wrote:
Canadian Arab wrote:
This whole thing feels like Heggy and Mo getting handed their stuff in a black bin bag, all over again.

Jack Ross seems like a decent, honest guy and he was on "a different level" as a coach when we hired him 2 months ago. Today's statement from the club is pretty terse. I think Jack Ross deserved a more respectful comment than that.

I have no idea what sort of an individual is going to want to come into the middle of this mess and take over. Personally, I'd be very happy with Levein. Some of the players might not be though.

I am completely out of the loop wrt the word on the street about player cliques. Can anyone enlighten me?
The black rooster gang is Mulgrew Watt and others who frequent that establishment often.

The rumour is Mulgrew had it very cushty under Tam having a say on tactics and even the training he took part in. When Ross came in he put a stop to that and told him he was a player, not a coach. And if he didn't like that to go elsewhere.

Charlie apparently led the players meeting a couple of weeks back saying he had no faith in Ross' methods and Watt chipped in backing him up.

All rumour of course.

Do Black Rooster do a good vegan menu?

Rick Dagless · 30/8/2022 6:20 pm

Morphman wrote:
Rick Dagless wrote:
Canadian Arab wrote:
This whole thing feels like Heggy and Mo getting handed their stuff in a black bin bag, all over again.

Jack Ross seems like a decent, honest guy and he was on "a different level" as a coach when we hired him 2 months ago. Today's statement from the club is pretty terse. I think Jack Ross deserved a more respectful comment than that.

I have no idea what sort of an individual is going to want to come into the middle of this mess and take over. Personally, I'd be very happy with Levein. Some of the players might not be though.

I am completely out of the loop wrt the word on the street about player cliques. Can anyone enlighten me?
The black rooster gang is Mulgrew Watt and others who frequent that establishment often.

The rumour is Mulgrew had it very cushty under Tam having a say on tactics and even the training he took part in. When Ross came in he put a stop to that and told him he was a player, not a coach. And if he didn't like that to go elsewhere.

Charlie apparently led the players meeting a couple of weeks back saying he had no faith in Ross' methods and Watt chipped in backing him up.

All rumour of course.

In fairness, I thought Mulgrew was brought in under a player-coach/advisor role. Courts even speaks about it in this article:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/charlie-mulgrew-receives-warm-dundee-24326391

I back the club on sacking him, even if you do believe the rumours of some sort of player led coup, losing the backing of senior players after a few months and half a dozen games in the job is real amateur stuff. Player power is part of the modern game at every level, whether you like it or not.

Refusing to play a defensive mid despite being absolutely battered in the middle of the park for week absolutely reeks of poor tactics in addition to poor man management.

I think everyone is agreed his position was untenable. There was no way back from those results, he had to go.

But the players need to take a long hard look at themselves. They were the ones not putting the effort in on the pitch. When you've got players clearly not bothering to do the basics on Sunday, then questions need to be asked of their professionalism. It reflects badly on them, the manager and more importantly to us, the club.

A season that started with reasonable optimism is in dire straits and we are still in August. A mess of a situation.

Morphman · 30/8/2022 7:23 pm

Rick Dagless wrote:
Morphman wrote:
Rick Dagless wrote:

The black rooster gang is Mulgrew Watt and others who frequent that establishment often.

The rumour is Mulgrew had it very cushty under Tam having a say on tactics and even the training he took part in. When Ross came in he put a stop to that and told him he was a player, not a coach. And if he didn't like that to go elsewhere.

Charlie apparently led the players meeting a couple of weeks back saying he had no faith in Ross' methods and Watt chipped in backing him up.

All rumour of course.

In fairness, I thought Mulgrew was brought in under a player-coach/advisor role. Courts even speaks about it in this article:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/charlie-mulgrew-receives-warm-dundee-24326391

I back the club on sacking him, even if you do believe the rumours of some sort of player led coup, losing the backing of senior players after a few months and half a dozen games in the job is real amateur stuff. Player power is part of the modern game at every level, whether you like it or not.

Refusing to play a defensive mid despite being absolutely battered in the middle of the park for week absolutely reeks of poor tactics in addition to poor man management.
I think everyone is agreed his position was untenable. There was no way back from those results, he had to go.

But the players need to take a long hard look at themselves. They were the ones not putting the effort in on the pitch. When you've got players clearly not bothering to do the basics on Sunday, then questions need to be asked of their professionalism. It reflects badly on them, the manager and more importantly to us, the club.

A season that started with reasonable optimism is in dire straits and we are still in August. A mess of a situation.

Think something that stood out to me, relating to bit you've said that I've put in bold, is that on Sunday I felt we looked even worse after half time. For a manager to give 15 minutes of a team talk and the team come out worse, that to me says that the team were confused by what he said, or lacking any real belief in what was conveyed.

That doesn't forgive some of the laziness, starfelt goal springs to mind, but the reaction said to me that the entire team had lost faith in what they were asked to do.

I wonder if the players didn't rate Ross from the off, and found his tactics and methods confusing. The suggestion of a split between Mulgrew and Ross seems to further suggest this, as a senior player with vast experience, and by all suggestions a model professional at every club he's been at, to (apparently) turn heel and lead a group of players to oust the manager surely takes something fairly serious to occur in the dressing room.

SuperMario · 30/8/2022 7:36 pm

Craig levein ruled himself out, as he couldn’t work at tannadice under the regime he hinted at on the radio there

Danzaa · 30/8/2022 9:40 pm

I'm not going into detail and as much as I detest Tony, trust me when I say the reason Craig can't work for United right now has nothing to do with the club, its not even football related.

Shakey Isles Arab · 30/8/2022 11:20 pm

Had to happen but I feel for the guy I really do.
Took on a poison chalice and failed.

Best of luck to you mate.

Arabdownsouth · 31/8/2022 1:20 am

Shakey Isles Arab wrote:
Had to happen but I feel for the guy I really do.
Took on a poison chalice and failed.

Best of luck to you mate.

Poison chalice? The arse has completely fell out of the team that finished 4th and was hard to beat, in the space of 2 months under his leadership

Shakey Isles Arab · 31/8/2022 4:15 am

Arabdownsouth wrote:
Shakey Isles Arab wrote:
Had to happen but I feel for the guy I really do.
Took on a poison chalice and failed.

Best of luck to you mate.

Poison chalice? The arse has completely fell out of the team that finished 4th and was hard to beat, in the space of 2 months under his leadership

The same team ? .... No
Time to put together a team ? .... No
Team went out and performed at Dundee United all time lows ? Yes.
But as I, I say I feel for the guy given the shithouse cards he was dealt.

Arabdownsouth · 31/8/2022 5:55 am

Shakey Isles Arab wrote:
Arabdownsouth wrote:
Shakey Isles Arab wrote:
Had to happen but I feel for the guy I really do.
Took on a poison chalice and failed.

Best of luck to you mate.

Poison chalice? The arse has completely fell out of the team that finished 4th and was hard to beat, in the space of 2 months under his leadership
The same team ? .... No
Time to put together a team ? .... No
Team went out and performed at Dundee United all time lows ? Yes.
But as I, I say I feel for the guy given the shithouse cards he was dealt.

He got far more money to spend than his predecessor though, so arguably a better team on paper

BMT · 31/8/2022 7:06 am

Apart from the obvious Reasons Jack's refusal to play the academy players contributed to the decision to get rid of him as the owners have said there is no plan B so if they are not playing who's going to buy them.

Stillliving · 31/8/2022 7:50 am

BMT wrote:
Apart from the obvious Reasons Jack's refusal to play the academy players contributed to the decision to get rid of him as the owners have said there is no plan B so if they are not playing who's going to buy them.

Refusal to play academy players?
There were 3 in the line up for the Celtic massacre.