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Clark like every single player in our squad without any exceptions are trying to prove themselves at this level. Some are trying to re-establish themselves (Reynolds and Connolly) but the rest are basically championship players making the step up.
Some will go on to be a successful and some won’t in this division but when Clark was missing from our team last season through his injury he picked up yon day at Maryhill, our form nosedived.
Clark is easily our best at taking set pieces which are huge part of any Scottish game, he wins plenty of headers for his height, wins plenty of free kicks up the park, works his arse off and more importantly scores goals. I also couldn’t give a fuck if the baw hits off his face as long as he directs it to goal.
All in all 3 points this weekend will make work slightly easier tomorrow for all of us. shed rule.
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Shedtastic wrote:
I don't 'have it in' for any United player, I want them all to do well but I'm afraid Clark is a championship player at best, yesterday he took a good penalty and a deflection hit him in face, I challenge anyone to state what else positive he did in the game.
Shankland three times played a ball to him looking for a 1-2 and every time Clark couldn't make the pass, folk saying he's there to link the play are kidding themselves, If he's not good enough to play as a striker then he's simply not good enough imo.
Utter dross
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Shedtastic wrote:
yesterday he took a good penalty and a deflection hit him in face, I challenge anyone to state what else positive he did in the game.
Don't know where to begin with this. Even if he weren't doing anything else, the most important thing is goals. They all count, and it's exactly what you want from your striker.
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So if he's not scoring his biggest attribute is closing players down?
Basically running towards the player with the ball.
Any decent spaniel would do that with very little coaching.
Okay before some get their boxers in knots that was tongue in cheek, like I said before when we have other options available we'll see if MM agrees with me or not but I think Nicky will have to do with a bench slot at best.
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We've not paid a healthy loan fee for a player of McNulty's calibre to sit on the bench.
He and Shankland will always be our front two when both are fit.
I don't think anyone can deny that Clark has contributed this season, but he's never a creative midfielder so he'll be a sub or fill in when either of the front two are suspended/injured.
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Shedtastic wrote:
I suggest you watch him a bit closer the next game, yes he's done well (goal wise) but the other suggestions are just nonsense.
Bollocks
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Clark's goals puts Mickey in a difficult, but welcome, situation. He's got to make a decision on his forward choices, given he probably has Shankland and McNulty to fit in to the eleven. Chances will be limited now for other forward players such as Appéré, or anyone who might provide more speed and width. But form will come and go, and I'd expect to see Louis or Logan Chalmers get a run again at some point too.
It's not one thing or another with Clark, he's neither essential or disposable. I actually agree with Shedtastic about his failure to play 1-2s a few times on Saturday, yet without his goals we'd be in a far worse position this season. He's a useful player to have, but I don't expect him to play every week over the season.
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Clark is dividing opinion.
He's tagged the 'matchwinner' after the Ross County game.
But I could have scored both his goals myself.
Talking of pens I'd be happier if LoA was taking them.
It increases his stock which is going to be important in the future.
What happens when McNulty & Chalmers come back in this week?
I wouldn't say we've got a glut of strikers but throw in Appere as well & we're starting to perm 2 from 5.
Friday's St Mirren selection should be interesting.
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I think Clark is working as hard as he can and the goals do help massively, but I still don't see a Premier league player there....
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I'm not a massive fan of Clark. His limitations are plain for all to see and I do think comparatively speaking this is a tough league for him and I don't think he'll improve that much as a player so happy to see him drop to the bench when McNulty is fit. That said, football is about scoring goals and Clark scores goals. You can't take that away from him. I expect to see him play some part in most if not all games and I'm happy with that.
I can't help myself from comparing our results and squad to our last season in the prem. Incidentally, in 2015/16 we got our 1st home win and 2nd in total, on Halloween vs Ross County.
We're far more solid and capable of picking up points than that team. Proof is in the pudding and we have 16 points from 13 games, including 4 wins.
It took us until 20th February to get 16 points in 15/16. That was 26 games!
My point is Nicky Clark is now part of a team that is comfortably mid table in the Premier league so if that doesn't make him a PL player, I don't know what does.
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Goodie Conway 2 wrote:
I can't help myself from comparing our results and squad to our last season in the prem. Incidentally, in 2015/16 we got our 1st home win and 2nd in total, on Halloween vs Ross County.
We're far more solid and capable of picking up points than that team. Proof is in the pudding and we have 16 points from 13 games, including 4 wins.
It took us until 20th February to get 16 points in 15/16. That was 26 games!
My point is Nicky Clark is now part of a team that is comfortably mid table in the Premier league so if that doesn't make him a PL player, I don't know what does.
Excellent post. We are already halfway to surviving our first season back in my opinion.
I have always liked strikers who score goals ( call me old fashioned) and Nicky is our leading goal scorer this season despite being written off at this level by many. I don't care if it bounces in off his puss, arse or right foot so long as the net bulges. Keep up the good work Nicky 👍
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Goodie Conway 2 wrote:
I can't help myself from comparing our results and squad to our last season in the prem. Incidentally, in 2015/16 we got our 1st home win and 2nd in total, on Halloween vs Ross County.
We're far more solid and capable of picking up points than that team. Proof is in the pudding and we have 16 points from 13 games, including 4 wins.
It took us until 20th February to get 16 points in 15/16. That was 26 games!
My point is Nicky Clark is now part of a team that is comfortably mid table in the Premier league so if that doesn't make him a PL player, I don't know what does.
Good post. The other thing that irks me is ‘championship squad’. The players played in the championship, some of them haven’t played in the premiership but are the vast majority of them any worse than county, livi, accies, St Mirren or killie players on the whole? Nope.
Therefore, we have a mid table premiership team which is being proven by the week with the inconsistencies that tag will bring. Every single hibs and Aberdeen player would start for us. A lot of Well players too. We’ve got catching up to do. That’s underway.
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Shedtastic wrote:
So if he's not scoring his biggest attribute is closing players down?
Basically running towards the player with the ball.
Any decent spaniel would do that with very little coaching.
Okay before some get their boxers in knots that was tongue in cheek, like I said before when we have other options available we'll see if MM agrees with me or not but I think Nicky will have to do with a bench slot at best.
Baffling, waffling shite.
Its a squad game. No one is here saying Clark is the Scottish Zlatan ffs. But McNulty was injured and Clark scored 2 goals. What more do you want him to do?
Fwiw, he started all 3 of them against St J. Just because he isnt in everyone's "first 11" doesnt mean he isnt an important player for us. Ole Gunnar Solksjear (sp?) Is one of Man United's all time greats and he barely started a game in his puff for them.
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An affy lot of abuse and swearing just because someone has a difference of opinion, is that not what forums are about?
BTW I'm not a sensitive soul so don't think I'm offended by anything, I'm not, just pointing out a fact.
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Shedtastic wrote:
An affy lot of abuse and swearing just because someone has a difference of opinion, is that not what forums are about?
BTW I'm not a sensitive soul so don't think I'm offended by anything, I'm not, just pointing out a fact.
Nothing up with your point of view just that most don't agree with you it would seem.
A few agree with some points you have made regarding the one twos.
Life would be very boring if we all had the same point of view.
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Shedtastic wrote:
An affy lot of abuse and swearing just because someone has a difference of opinion, is that not what forums are about?
BTW I'm not a sensitive soul so don't think I'm offended by anything, I'm not, just pointing out a fact.
Yes it is what forums are about.
You're no pointing out a fact, you're talking garbage and that's a fact !
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Just on the repeated thing that we're a Championship side:
- No we're 5th in the premier, well worth it and improving.
- Any shortcomings Mick's aware of and addressing as borne out by his comments, workrate Saturday and visible team togetherness.
- 5th is about right given our mix of players. - Fair enough we've a few out there who've played solely in diddy division which we won by 11 lengths. We've three current and former internationals + I don't know how many have played for Scotland at younger levels - Chalmers is certainly established U-21. (Louis ?) We've plenty ex Premier players. Tbf we've some dross whose continued selections are a mystery to me (Connolly.)
- Our top goalscorer's scored more than the three internationals combined.
- Think on Livi, who worked their way up from lowest of low diddy division and have established themselves in Premier, albeit with shite football. No tae mention St. Mirren, RCounty. Haccies complete and utter shite - no intention of playing football.
So, no, I havnae a problem with our pool of players - that's for the other team to worry about
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Shakey Isles Arab wrote:
Shedtastic wrote:
An affy lot of abuse and swearing just because someone has a difference of opinion, is that not what forums are about?
BTW I'm not a sensitive soul so don't think I'm offended by anything, I'm not, just pointing out a fact.Yes it is what forums are about.
You're no pointing out a fact, you're talking garbage and that's a fact !
Well you're a cheery buggar aren't you?
I suppose the few guys kinda agreeing with me are talking garbage as well then?
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One man's facts are another one's garbage.
Dinnae think you can talk for other guys.
Just sayin like.
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Clark is limited and his goals are more from free kicks and pens.....yet he still has to score them. Before Christmas, albeit in a different league, shanks and Clark had a very strong understanding and we suffered when he was out of the team....
I'm still not sure how we accommodate all 3 strikers unless mcnulty is comfortable playing out wide and cutting in?
For me the bigger issue is seeing what fuchs can do. Shanks goals have significantly dried up which I think is a combination of our tactics and lack of quality in the middle. Even if he can be the defensive midfielder and allow harken or butcher to play in an attacking sense, we will improve.
On a side note - in these financial times, there's a lot of difference in prize money. A top 6 finish, however unlikely, could make a massive difference to us next year
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Gonna say it......
Im starting to like Ryan Edwards, seems more settled, wins everything, will become a good player for us imo
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^agree.
It’ll sound daft, but the goal & clean sheet v Kelty was maybe what he needed.
He’s taken his time but we might be about to see the player Mellon wanted.
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SuperMario wrote:
Gonna say it......
Im starting to like Ryan Edwards, seems more settled, wins everything, will become a good player for us imo
Yes I believe your right there.
There was a general level of hysteria that he was shite after Ryan Kent took him to the cleaners and the West coast meedja went into overdrive when he had the temerity to put a small cut on tubby Moroleos's knee.
Any CH who wins a lot of headers is an asset in the SPFL.
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SuperMario wrote:
Gonna say it......
Im starting to like Ryan Edwards, seems more settled, wins everything, will become a good player for us imo
I agree, though I think his obvious lack of pace is why he's perhaps more comfortable in a 3/5 at the back. County's goal at the weekend is decent evidence for this.
I have no issue with us playing 3 at the back tbh, we are tremendously lacking in creativity regardless of what formation we play so I don't see why there's usually a lot of complaints about it.
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Aye, Edwards looked slow at the goal, but I'm surprised Reynolds has escaped any blame, as he had, to me, a better view of the danger and was too late to react.