Tekel Towers » Dundee United Champions ?

Beharder · 11/4/2020 9:48 am

PatReilly wrote:
Beharder wrote:
We would have done exactly what Hearts and Patrick have done no club would vote to damage itself. Dundee have nothing to gain here, except trying to get one up Utd. In my lifetime(more than a few years) that has been their raison d'etre.
They have nothing else to ever celebrate or get excited about. Sad really.
What about our last three seasons? Dundee are looking after themselves, the same as ICT and Falkirk as examples this season.

I don't think they are simply holding on voting to fuck over United, we'll be going up whatever happens.

There is no set of circumstances where Dundee will get promoted here. They are 3rd. ICT & Falkirk are 2nd. Airdrie 3rd in league 3 voted yes as they know they have nothing to gain. This is to get the moronic element of their support excited.
We are in the middle of the worst health crises for a century and still maybe trying to squeeze a few quid extra in your clubs coffers is your number one priority

History will not look back too kindly on this sort of antics

Tek · 11/4/2020 9:53 am

Kheredine from BBC saying his understanding is Dundee signed and dated the NO slip but didn't tick the box saying NO.

Meaning they can change their vote anytime in the next 28 days.

What we are seeing here is pure corruption.

Let's not dress it up any other way.

PatReilly · 11/4/2020 9:55 am

Tek and Beharder, I don't know what Nelms is trying to achieve, and haven't seen official information on SPFL or club websites indicating the aspirations of DFC.

Where have you read he's trying to stop promotion?

At a guess, he'd be happy for United to be out of next year's league, and Hearts to stay out the Championship too.

Lancashire-Arab · 11/4/2020 10:07 am

While I agree that al clubs are voting with there best interest and we would be no different i think the statement released by the fun doesn't stand up.

In stating no club should be worse off and delaying the resolution and prize money allocation are they not making clubs worse off. When 78.6% of the clubs have already voted in agreement with proposals and of those who have already voted against are probably either voting to avoid relegation or feel they have a chance of promotion or winning the title.

And in terms of no team should be worse off well a counter argument is that those teams who have invested to win the league and gain promotion will be and may not be able to sustain for another season and will be worse off.

With my tangerine tinted specs on i do feel that this position may be more about who is coming down from the SPL, if it was Hamilton would it be the same? who knows! My feeling is that the fun leadership and owners reckon they have a better chance of promotion against us than they do against a team with the resources of Hearts?

11/4/2020 10:14 am

Fun's issue is that cumulatively all member clubs would £3.5 - £4 million worse off under the proposal.
Which may or may not be true?
But that's what their statement says.
It's financial & not political according to them.

Beharder · 11/4/2020 10:15 am

My belief as I said Dundee can't be promoted. So it's either to force some extra money, or keep Utd down so he can benefit from 2 away section sellouts next season.

I don't think it's hyperbole to suggest some other clubs are desperate for the final placing cash. For personal gain DFC don't give a shit about others. All those companies they shafted in 2 (two) admins won't be surprised to know that.

TheShed · 11/4/2020 10:57 am

smedDUm wrote:
Fun's issue is that cumulatively all member clubs would £3.5 - £4 million worse off under the proposal.
Which may or may not be true?
But that's what their statement says.
It's financial & not political according to them.

Presumably they’re meaning the money lost from not playing games, lost gate money, hospital etc.
Wonder if they’ve taken the cost savings into account, no police to pay, no stewards to pay, savings on wages of furloughed staff?

There’s no way the £4m was just pure profit after all costs if it was Scottish football wouldn’t be nearly in as much of a mess as it is.

Tek · 11/4/2020 10:58 am

PatReilly wrote:
Tek and Beharder, I don't know what Nelms is trying to achieve, and haven't seen official information on SPFL or club websites indicating the aspirations of DFC.

Where have you read he's trying to stop promotion?

At a guess, he'd be happy for United to be out of next year's league, and Hearts to stay out the Championship too.

Various newspaper's have ran with the story about Nelm's own resolution he wants tabled. Including the Dundee Press.

Tek · 11/4/2020 11:03 am

TheShed wrote:
smedDUm wrote:
Fun's issue is that cumulatively all member clubs would £3.5 - £4 million worse off under the proposal.
Which may or may not be true?
But that's what their statement says.
It's financial & not political according to them.

Presumably they’re meaning the money lost from not playing games, lost gate money, hospital etc.
Wonder if they’ve taken the cost savings into account, no police to pay, no stewards to pay, savings on wages of furloughed staff?

There’s no way the £4m was just pure profit after all costs if it was Scottish football wouldn’t be nearly in as much of a mess as it is.

They do indeed mean the loss of revenue from the remaining games that should have been played.

It is laughable they have reached that figure though. And are quoting it.

Particularly as it's being mooted that Dundee are one of the clubs who are insured in the event of a pandemic.

PatReilly · 11/4/2020 11:48 am

Tek wrote:

Various newspaper's have ran with the story about Nelm's own resolution he wants tabled. Including the Dundee Press.

I can't find one which indicates Nelms has a preferred resolution which would result in United not being promoted.

Tek · 11/4/2020 11:56 am

PatReilly wrote:
Tek wrote:

Various newspaper's have ran with the story about Nelm's own resolution he wants tabled. Including the Dundee Press.

I can't find one which indicates Nelms has a preferred resolution which would result in United not being promoted.

Eh?

His resolution was to call the season now. Whoever is top are 'champions'. But there would be no relegation or promotion.

PatReilly · 11/4/2020 12:34 pm

Tek wrote:
Eh?
His resolution was to call the season now. Whoever is top are 'champions'. But there would be no relegation or promotion.

Nelms never tabled any resolution to that effect. "The Sun" ran a story suggesting he was drafting a plan, using the 'SunSport understands' excuse (ie, they made it up).

I linked to the story on Thursday, for a laugh.

PatReilly wrote:
"Dundee chief John Nelms could table resolution to end leagues with NO promotion or relegation"

If you want a giggle, have a look at this article in the sun: https://tinyurl.com/um6e55c

bowers · 11/4/2020 12:35 pm

The whole thing is a complete shambles and a laughing stock.

Nelms has made a total cunt of himself imo.

Along with the fun fans who are now claiming that all clubs voted for them to get a 25 point deduction when they went into admin for the 2nd time.

Arabdownsouth · 11/4/2020 12:39 pm

bowers wrote:
The whole thing is a complete shambles and a laughing stock.

Nelms has made a total cunt of himself imo.

Along with the fun fans who are now claiming that all clubs voted for them to get a 25 point deduction when they went into admin for the 2nd time.

Fun huns, always the victims.

Fuck them and their Glasgow cousins!

Whichever way this pans out, we will get our deserved promotion and they will stay down. Now we just get to laugh a bit more at their desperate straw clutching 🤣

Tek · 11/4/2020 3:28 pm

PatReilly wrote:
Tek wrote:
Eh?
His resolution was to call the season now. Whoever is top are 'champions'. But there would be no relegation or promotion.

Nelms never tabled any resolution to that effect. "The Sun" ran a story suggesting he was drafting a plan, using the 'SunSport understands' excuse (ie, they made it up).

I linked to the story on Thursday, for a laugh.

PatReilly wrote:
"Dundee chief John Nelms could table resolution to end leagues with NO promotion or relegation"

If you want a giggle, have a look at this article in the sun: https://tinyurl.com/um6e55c

Pat.

Again. Various papers have stated that indeed was Nelms proposal. Including (and this is the important bit) Dundee press.

If this was Rangers acting in this way i think you might not be philosophical about their actions.

Beharder · 11/4/2020 4:13 pm

The Rangers 2012 have demanded an Independent inquiry in Doncaster and the SPFL board.
They have uncovered worrying evidence of serious corruption and intimidation
Takes one to know one

Beardy23 · 11/4/2020 4:21 pm

Beharder wrote:
The Rangers 2012 have demanded an Independent inquiry in Doncaster and the SPFL board.
They have uncovered worrying evidence of serious corruption and intimidation
Takes one to know one

aye, all they rules bent and totally ignored tae get sevco back in the league. dodgy as.

Tek · 11/4/2020 4:47 pm

Beharder wrote:
The Rangers 2012 have demanded an Independent inquiry in Doncaster and the SPFL board.
They have uncovered worrying evidence of serious corruption and intimidation
Takes one to know one

They have to reveal it then.

PatReilly · 11/4/2020 5:42 pm

Tek wrote:

Pat.

Again. Various papers have stated that indeed was Nelms proposal. Including (and this is the important bit) Dundee press.

If this was Rangers acting in this way i think you might not be philosophical about their actions.

No point in falling out: I don't see Nelms having submitted a resolution, or even a proposal, you think otherwise. We can agree to differ.

Funny you mentioned the Ibrox club, and they pop up with another complaint! To go to the extent they have, while they have a brass neck to raise such integrity issues, you'd think they have more than the usual bluster and sense of entitlement to back themselves.

And just because it is Sevco doesn't mean we should dismiss their grievance.

Tek · 11/4/2020 5:55 pm

PatReilly wrote:
Tek wrote:

Pat.

Again. Various papers have stated that indeed was Nelms proposal. Including (and this is the important bit) Dundee press.

If this was Rangers acting in this way i think you might not be philosophical about their actions.

No point in falling out: I don't see Nelms having submitted a resolution, or even a proposal, you think otherwise. We can agree to differ.

Funny you mentioned the Ibrox club, and they pop up with another complaint! To go to the extent they have, while they have a brass neck to raise such integrity issues, you'd think they have more than the usual bluster and sense of entitlement to back themselves.

And just because it is Sevco doesn't mean we should dismiss their grievance.

I'm not going to fall-out with you.😆

But you've kind of proved my point there. You have a wee pop at the Rangers for their stance on 'sporting integrity', something that was also mentioned by Dundee in their lengthy statement yesterday.

A statement that included no dismissal and in no way refuted the claims that Nelms wanted to table a 'no promotion' resolution.

They're just as corrupt as each other, in truth.

PatReilly · 11/4/2020 6:34 pm

Tek wrote:

I'm not going to fall-out with you.😆

But you've kind of proved my point there. You have a wee pop at the Rangers for their stance on 'sporting integrity', something that was also mentioned by Dundee in their lengthy statement yesterday.

A statement that included no dismissal and in no way refuted the claims that Nelms wanted to table a 'no promotion' resolution.

They're just as corrupt as each other, in truth.

You've lost me there, Tek, I've no idea what you mean by the statement including 'no dismissal'. Anyway, events have overtaken our discussion. This is purportedly Dundee's voting slip from yesterday:

Curiouser and curiouser indeed.

Tek · 11/4/2020 6:40 pm

PatReilly wrote:
Tek wrote:

I'm not going to fall-out with you.😆

But you've kind of proved my point there. You have a wee pop at the Rangers for their stance on 'sporting integrity', something that was also mentioned by Dundee in their lengthy statement yesterday.

A statement that included no dismissal and in no way refuted the claims that Nelms wanted to table a 'no promotion' resolution.

They're just as corrupt as each other, in truth.

You've lost me there, Tek, I've no idea what you mean by the statement including 'no dismissal'. Anyway, events have overtaken our discussion. This is purportedly Dundee's voting slip from yesterday:

Curiouser and curiouser indeed.

I meant there was no dismissal of the wide spread media allegations that they were trying to pass a counter resolution for voting that would involve Utd getting stiffed.

Their statement would have given them the opportunity to refute the allegations if they weren't true. Anyway i feel we won't see eye to eye on this one so i'll leave it there.

p.s. that photo (if it's legit) clearly show's Dundee voted NO. Their vote should therefore stand. No need for another 28 days of limbo.

The SPFL and Doncaster have A LOT of explaining to do now. Particularly in light of the Rangers allegations of wrong doing.

Doncaster won't survive this (and shouldn't).

p.p.s i wonder if the SPFL are being cute here and dismissing the vote as a 'technicality' because it's not in black ink? Or is it because it doesn't actually read 'Dundee'? Looks like Punder or Dunder.

SuperMario · 11/4/2020 7:21 pm

Scot gardiner saying on the radio the day that Inverness Dundee and partick were in a whatsapp group, seems all very weird to me!

Beharder · 11/4/2020 7:22 pm

Looking forward to this
In the blue corner The Rangers 2012
In the red corner Doomcaster and the SPFL
Bring it on
🍺🍿
🥊🥊

Beardy23 · 11/4/2020 7:49 pm

Beharder wrote:
Looking forward to this
In the blue corner The Rangers 2012
In the red corner Doomcaster and the SPFL
Bring it on
🍺🍿
🥊🥊

huns wouldn't even be in the league if the cockwomble hadn't bent over for charlie green