Tekel Towers » Will tomorrow be D-Day?

SlatefordArab · 08/4/2020 10:06 pm

Tek wrote:
Sevco (surprisingly) asking that.

1) The season be finished
2) The SPFL prize monies be released now to ALL member clubs.

Can't believe i'm saying this but this is actually a good statement from them.

https://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/club-statement-93/

Disagree with your reading of that mate. I think The Rangers 2012 know what we all know deep down - this season is done. However, they cannot admit that to their moronic fans and can’t be seen to just surrender the title to Celtic - even though they know they were never going to catch them.

To me they are saying “play the rest of the games” (which they know won’t happen) or void the league - oh but either way give us the prize money anyway as we are fucked just like the rest of the clubs outside of Celtic if we don’t play a game for 6-8 months.

PatReilly · 08/4/2020 10:07 pm

Tek wrote:
Sevco (surprisingly) asking that.

1) The season be finished
2) The SPFL prize monies be released now to ALL member clubs.

Can't believe i'm saying this but this is actually a good statement from them.

https://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/club-statement-93/

Forked tongues. The SPFL Board drew up the proposal, and put it to clubs. The SPFL Board consists of 6 members representing their leagues. There are three from the powerful Premiership. One of these is Stewart Robertson (club, Rangers).

Therefore Rangers are arguing against the proposals which were, in part, drawn up by their representative.

The statement itself, on the surface, reads sensibly. But there's a longer game being played here by the SPFL Board.

Tek · 08/4/2020 10:21 pm

SlatefordArab wrote:
Tek wrote:
Sevco (surprisingly) asking that.

1) The season be finished
2) The SPFL prize monies be released now to ALL member clubs.

Can't believe i'm saying this but this is actually a good statement from them.

https://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/club-statement-93/

Disagree with your reading of that mate. I think The Rangers 2012 know what we all know deep down - this season is done. However, they cannot admit that to their moronic fans and can’t be seen to just surrender the title to Celtic - even though they know they were never going to catch them.

To me they are saying “play the rest of the games” (which they know won’t happen) or void the league - oh but either way give us the prize money anyway as we are fucked just like the rest of the clubs outside of Celtic if we don’t play a game for 6-8 months.

Oh I have no doubt that their motives are selfish and alterior Slateford (and along the lines of what you suggested).

But I actually agree with the premise of what they are saying, whether they actually mean it or not (well they will definitely mean the part about getting their prize money).

Tek · 08/4/2020 10:25 pm

The main issue as I see it is (clubs and fans alike) want to know their clubs can get the prize monies they need to keep them going.

This should have been the SPFL's ONLY consideration in the days since this virus put a halt to our lives as we know them.

That they are still sitting on them and now (for all intents and purposes) holding a metaphorical gun to clubs heads by trying to force them to accept their proposals or run the risk of no revenue till August is shameful. Utterly shameful.

It's high time the supporters in this country done something about this organisation led by the grossly incompetent Neil Doncaster.

Tek · 08/4/2020 10:28 pm

PatReilly wrote:
Tek wrote:
Sevco (surprisingly) asking that.

1) The season be finished
2) The SPFL prize monies be released now to ALL member clubs.

Can't believe i'm saying this but this is actually a good statement from them.

https://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/club-statement-93/
Forked tongues. The SPFL Board drew up the proposal, and put it to clubs. The SPFL Board consists of 6 members representing their leagues. There are three from the powerful Premiership. One of these is Stewart Robertson (club, Rangers).

Therefore Rangers are arguing against the proposals which were, in part, drawn up by their representative.

The statement itself, on the surface, reads sensibly. But there's a longer game being played here by the SPFL Board.

There is an outside chance that Robertson didn't agree with the SPFL proposal and was voted down (I know, i know).

But if this is the case (that the Rangers are playing politics here) then I sincerely hope more than anything that the season is concluded.

PatReilly · 08/4/2020 10:39 pm

Tek wrote:
But if this is the case (that the Rangers are playing politics here) then I sincerely hope more than anything that the season is concluded.

The bit underlined sums Sevco up.

Beardy23 · 09/4/2020 12:30 am

looking a the list of clubs/people who are against this (The Rangers, Anne Budge (hearts), BNBs and Tek It's a yes from me, Simon.

David_Blunkett · 09/4/2020 1:46 am

In an ideal world football starts when it's safe to do so and we're all happy, but the timeframe won't allow it.

Reading between the lines.

The lockdown is likely to last 3 months minimum, that's what the Govt have committed to thus far in terms of propping up businesses, unless a cure miraculously appears, we're in this for the duration.

We've just started week 3, so we're looking at about the middle of June before life starts the journey back towards normal, that's when players can finally start training together, they then have to rebuild their match fitness and do conditioning.

So players start what would effectively be a pre-season in the middle of June, give them 3 weeks to get ready, but they've now got 8 league games to see out and playoffs, Dundee if they finish 4th, now have 14 games to play if they make the final.

14 games, 2 games a week - 7 weeks, that's us into the last week of August.

So Dundee have now played 14 games and go right into the following season after their crushing play-off humiliation.

They're now away to play 36 championship games and cup games on the back of 14 games from the previous season.

Even something simple like the fixture list can't drawn up as they'd have to factor in that both Dundee teams could be in the top flight or not, same with the leagues below, it would be a right mess.

How do you sell season tickets when you don't know where you are playing?

Cue Big Tony "Lads, it's £350 to buy it now, but if we're promoted we're gonna need an extra £40 from you on top!"

Then you have to consider that in the summer it's Euro 2021, the league campaigns were due to finish early to give players a break, now they're now running almost 4 weeks behind.

As much as i'd prefer us to win the league in the proper manner, I simply can see any way at all that it's doable.

What I will add is, I personally would've waited until the lockdown review next week, we know they're gonna just bump another 3 weeks on and when that becomes official, we were into May and the season finishing looks even more unlikely.

TheShed · 09/4/2020 5:01 am

See this “we’ll discuss reorganisation of the leagues later if you agree” thing. It’s gonna be adding 2 colt teams into league 2 and punting 2 teams up each league, take it or leave it.

bowers · 09/4/2020 8:46 am

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Arab87 · 09/4/2020 12:10 pm

What I may suggest others may disagree with.
Finish the season. Each league has surpassed the 75% mark.
Give titles to Celtic, us, Raith and Cove.
Instead of relegation, increase the premier league to 14 teams and have us and ICT promoted into it.
Promote Raith and Falkirk into the championship.
Promote Cove and Edinburgh City into league 1
Promote Brora and Kelty into league 2.

Next season Premier league - play each other twice (26 games) then have a top 7 and bottom 7 split. Within the split, you again play those in your part of the league twice (12 games) Total games -38
Bottom 2 are automatically relegated into the championship, 3rd bottom play 3rd top in the championship in a 2 legged playoff.

Championship - top 2 promoted into premier automatically, 3rd place play 3rd bottom in the premier in play off. Team that finish 10th are automatically relegated, 2nd bottom play play off with 2nd in league below.
League 1 and 2 will have same set up as Championship except 1 up and 1 down automatically and 1 play off place each.

More exciting for fans, better chance for championship clubs to get into the premier league. Keeps everyone happy.

David_Blunkett · 09/4/2020 12:35 pm

That's a better proposal that one where the league splits 8-6 and they borrow teams from the leagues to make it work.

JerryDungle · 09/4/2020 1:27 pm

David_Blunkett wrote:
That's a better proposal that one where the league splits 8-6 and they borrow teams from the leagues to make it work.

Also means that with an odd split, there’ll always be one team in each half with a free weekend, which will help with fixture congestion and possibly eradicate the need for a winter break.

Really believe this is the most sensible solution, and works for mostly everyone. So obviously it won’t happen.

bowers · 09/4/2020 4:16 pm

https://livingstonfc.co.uk/livingston-football-club-statement-spfl-resolution/

Tek · 09/4/2020 5:10 pm

It is becoming clearer today from Chairmen of Livi and Falkirk that it has been intimated to them that the season couldn't be extended till the Autumn because of the contractual obligations to Sky and Premier.

Fucked off with the whole thing now tbh. Common sense never seems to be applied in Scottish football. Everything always mired in red tape and beauracracy.

gaz73 · 09/4/2020 6:02 pm

Just announced Scottish football suspended till At least June 10th , this may make some teams decision up for them for the vote tomorrow

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blackandtangerine · 09/4/2020 6:03 pm

Tek wrote:
It is becoming clearer today from Chairmen of Livi and Falkirk that it has been intimated to them that the season couldn't be extended till the Autumn because of the contractual obligations to Sky and Premier.

Fucked off with the whole thing now tbh. Common sense never seems to be applied in Scottish football. Everything always mired in red tape and beauracracy.

What's the fascination with getting the games played?
It's over. Time to accept it and move on.

SFA saying june 10th as it stands before training can start. Then 6 weeks before games can be played. Perfect time to start a new season in the top league for us.

Tek · 09/4/2020 6:05 pm

blackandtangerine wrote:
Tek wrote:
It is becoming clearer today from Chairmen of Livi and Falkirk that it has been intimated to them that the season couldn't be extended till the Autumn because of the contractual obligations to Sky and Premier.

Fucked off with the whole thing now tbh. Common sense never seems to be applied in Scottish football. Everything always mired in red tape and beauracracy.
What's the fascination with getting the games played?
It's over. Time to accept it and move on.

SFA saying june 10th as it stands before training can start. Then 6 weeks before games can be played. Perfect time to start a new season in the top league for us.

I thought you couldnae be arsed debating it?

To answer your question. It's not a 'fascination'. It is just my preference.

And i've already answered you as to why.

blackandtangerine · 09/4/2020 6:15 pm

Tek wrote:
blackandtangerine wrote:
Tek wrote:
It is becoming clearer today from Chairmen of Livi and Falkirk that it has been intimated to them that the season couldn't be extended till the Autumn because of the contractual obligations to Sky and Premier.

Fucked off with the whole thing now tbh. Common sense never seems to be applied in Scottish football. Everything always mired in red tape and beauracracy.
What's the fascination with getting the games played?
It's over. Time to accept it and move on.

SFA saying june 10th as it stands before training can start. Then 6 weeks before games can be played. Perfect time to start a new season in the top league for us.

I thought you couldnae be arsed debating it?

To answer your question. It's not a 'fascination'. It is just my preference.

And i've already answered you as to why.

That was last night.

In light of sfa statement I thought I'd mention it again. 👍

Tek · 09/4/2020 6:22 pm

blackandtangerine wrote:
Tek wrote:
blackandtangerine wrote:

What's the fascination with getting the games played?
It's over. Time to accept it and move on.

SFA saying june 10th as it stands before training can start. Then 6 weeks before games can be played. Perfect time to start a new season in the top league for us.

I thought you couldnae be arsed debating it?

To answer your question. It's not a 'fascination'. It is just my preference.

And i've already answered you as to why.

That was last night.

In light of sfa statement I thought I'd mention it again. 👍

Fair enough.

To clarify. If it is a plain choice between the season ending up 'null and void' and it being canned early with Utd being declared winners. Then my preference is (of course) the latter. As it's the fairest outcome and i say that even unbiasedly (i'd agree Cove and Celtic should be also declared champions in that event, for example).

But my preference was to finish the season as i just feel it's the 'right thing to do'. I believe in sporting integrity, wherever and whenever it can be applied (and i realise that these are very difficult days to apply it).

I also (like Pat) worry about what is about to be pulled by the SPFL in the reconstruction talks. They are using the situation to their benefit imo and are using the prize money as collateral in their pursuit to push this through.

bowers · 09/4/2020 6:33 pm

I would like to see the games completed but realistically its not happening.
Its mid April now.
Clubs need to start planning for 20/21 season, selling season tickets, releasing kits, selling kits, hospo, sponsorship etc to generate money for players etc.
The cant do this the way it is just now.
We have all wanted to see us win this league and we have. Just no lift the trophy at tannadice come May but its no happening sadly.

PatReilly · 09/4/2020 11:01 pm

"Dundee chief John Nelms could table resolution to end leagues with NO promotion or relegation"

If you want a giggle, have a look at this article in the sun: https://tinyurl.com/um6e55c

And in the local rag (for me) today, the Falkirk Herald, one of the suggestions was that promotion could be decided by ..............

................. wait for it.................

average crowds.

Arabdownsouth · 09/4/2020 11:23 pm

I really wanted us to win the league on merit and am gutted that there will be no real celebration, but there is absolutely no way that we don't deserve our promotion just as Celtic deserve their title and Raith and Cove also. Those who are bottom are also their by their own hands so can stop griping. Average points accumulated over the season is a fair reflection of who should be where. Dundee, Sevco and The rest can basically go fuck themselves IMO. Also as an aside, if I can get the chance to laugh at Falkirk along the way in return for the 6-1 humiliation then so be it 😋

TheShed · 09/4/2020 11:26 pm

PatReilly wrote:
"Dundee chief John Nelms could table resolution to end leagues with NO promotion or relegation"

If you want a giggle, have a look at this article in the sun: https://tinyurl.com/um6e55c

And in the local rag (for me) today, the Falkirk Herald, one of the suggestions was that promotion could be decided by ..............

................. wait for it.................

average crowds.

Average crowds, holy fuck. We’d honestly be aswell just saying that’s it, we had a good run, but during this lockdown invent a new sport to play because footballs done. They’re all idiots and completely petty as fuck.

An opportunity to force proper change in Scottish football, force a more even share of the money and not one of the 40 clubs have the sense to even suggest putting everything else aside and forcing the 2 to take what they’re offered or fuck off.

Fucking average crowds.

PatReilly · 09/4/2020 11:56 pm

^ section from today's FHerald.