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Dundee United » The disaster that was the January Transfer Window » Today 10:32 am |
We were screaming for fresh faces in January and when they were announced we were all pretty chuffed remember.
But if we hadn't signed anyone we'd still be screaming yet.
You cannae win.
Dundee United » Rangers vs DUFC - Wednesday 14th May » Today 10:27 am |
Arab87 wrote:
dufc5 wrote:
Have to go there and defend deep and not let our goal difference take a battering imo. Hopefully Celtic do us a favour then it's everything to play for somehow on Saturday.
We need Hibs to do us a favour first and beat St Mirren.
Hoping that other teams beat St Mirren to benefit us. What a fall from grace United.
A draw will be fine in that game can't see St Mirren getting anything on trophy day at Parkhead. Agreed though what a mess to leave ourselves in.
Dundee United » United vs St.Mirren - Saturday 10th May » Today 10:26 am |
Finn Seemann wrote:
Hen Broon wrote:
Not angry with that, the squad makeup has simply caught up with us. Holt, Stephenson and Graham out, Gallagher not the only one playing through injuries, a midfield without Sevelj. Rough.
Team is a banger running on fumes.That's pretty much where I am, but you have to blame the management and the really poor winter window - Holt shouldn't have been allowed to go and we should have pushed for Stephenson to play until the end of the season. When you look at the athletes that Saints had up front and we can bring on Paton who is so far off it it is embarrassing for the lad. How big a flop must Fiorini be if he can't get game time ahead of the patched together midfield?
Ultimately the boys in the park have been let down by recruitment and injuries. I feel a bit sorry for them to be honest.
Liverpool were never going to let Luca not be ready for pre-season. Easy in hindsight to say about Holt as we had a ready made replacement in Ross Graham to come in but he's been plagued with a harmstring injury since February. Summer window will be interesting as there is talk Goodwin is going to be playing a high line in the new season. Last time we had a manager that tried that he didn't see August out.
Dundee United » Rangers vs DUFC - Wednesday 14th May » Today 10:23 am |
dufc5 wrote:
Have to go there and defend deep and not let our goal difference take a battering imo. Hopefully Celtic do us a favour then it's everything to play for somehow on Saturday.
We need Hibs to do us a favour first and beat St Mirren.
Hoping that other teams beat St Mirren to benefit us. What a fall from grace United.
Dundee United » Rangers vs DUFC - Wednesday 14th May » Today 10:12 am |
Have to go there and defend deep and not let our goal difference take a battering imo. Hopefully Celtic do us a favour then it's everything to play for somehow on Saturday.
Dundee United » January Transfer Window » Today 9:41 am |
Conway11 wrote:
Finn Seemann wrote:
Conway11 wrote:
Fair points, Finn, but I’m not sure waiting until the summer is wise. January doesn’t need to be a big overhaul, but just 1-2 key additions—especially in defense or midfield—could be the difference between 3rd and fading away. I for one cannot wait for Tony Watt to be off the books saving us £5k a week.
On Babunski, I get the concerns about his engine, but fitness is something we can improve. His creativity is something we lack elsewhere. If Goodwin can tweak the system to put him at the heart of our attacking play, we’d be much more dangerous.Can't argue with that!
pity he never tweaked it.
Fiorini and Paton have been disastrous and Campbell has just given us some legs but hasn't been capable of replacing Stephenson or Sevelj in midfield. Holt going and Stephenson checking out early have been a nightmare.
I do come back to a lack of pace up front being the thing that kills us. We have no ability to stretch a game and make defenders scared of the space behind them. The number of times our passes are behind players shows that we are not practising putting them into space in front of players as they have no legs.
For me it all comes down to budget though and tight purse strings have meant that we've run out of steam. We're just now relying on Hibs and Celtic to ensure we get something out of the season as I don't see us getting any more than a point v Aberdeen
Dundee United » January Transfer Window » Today 9:24 am |
Finn Seemann wrote:
Conway11 wrote:
Finn Seemann wrote:
Suspect we are not actually that far apart here. I'm all for proactive recruitment, I'm just not sure we'll succeed in getting to many in in January. I suspect we may go down the pre-contract route but that means replacements for the aging stars are not going to be in the building until the summer.
I like Babunski, but I'm not convinced that he has the engine to compliment his undoubted talent. I am not sure that we will ever see his potential because he's actually not fit enough for this league. So I stand by my view and unfortunately I think he'll also be away in the summer.
I'd be happy enough with JR coming in short term (and understand that is not out of the question) but still think we need pace first. Stirton is probably a couple of seasons off being a regular so we need someone else to tide us over and no guarantees Stirton makes it.
I don't agree on your view of big push v incremental changes. Realistically the best we can do in the league is 3rd and we're currently 4th. Now if some of the club's suitors end up bolstering the war chest, that becomes a different matter, but until someone has greased the Ogren palm there isn't going to be a big push. That doesn't mean the team's progress must fizzle out. Granted, I agree that we are probably in an over-inflated position but I just don't see enough clubs figuring us out to that extent and, in any case, I think Jim is still learning as he goes too.
But I actually don't wildly disagree with you - planning and proactivity is a must and I'm reasonably confident that is what is happening - just not with new bodies (bar a couple) in January.
Fair points, Finn, but I’m not sure waiting until the summer is wise. January doesn’t need to be a big overhaul, but just 1-2 key additions—especially in defense or midfield—could be the difference between 3rd and fading away. I for one cannot wait for Tony Watt to be off the books sa
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Dundee United » United vs St.Mirren - Saturday 10th May » Today 9:23 am |
Hen Broon wrote:
Not angry with that, the squad makeup has simply caught up with us. Holt, Stephenson and Graham out, Gallagher not the only one playing through injuries, a midfield without Sevelj. Rough.
Team is a banger running on fumes.
That's pretty much where I am, but you have to blame the management and the really poor winter window - Holt shouldn't have been allowed to go and we should have pushed for Stephenson to play until the end of the season. When you look at the athletes that Saints had up front and we can bring on Paton who is so far off it it is embarrassing for the lad. How big a flop must Fiorini be if he can't get game time ahead of the patched together midfield?
Ultimately the boys in the park have been let down by recruitment and injuries. I feel a bit sorry for them to be honest.
Dundee United » January Transfer Window » Today 9:21 am |
redford_must_score wrote:
Conway11 wrote:
Moving players on who our out of contract - I would tell the following that they are not getting a new deal
Gallagher
Moult
Holt
Docherty
Newman
Middleton
Would give Babunski another year - he would be great with a new manager in a proper system, played in his ideal position.
The ones above are not good enough if we really do want to be a top 5 side.
Would go for Stuart Findlay and Danny Armstrong (both OOC at Killie in the summer) to replace Gallagher and Middleton
Had to read that twice to check it wasn't a wind up.
New manager? Seriously?
Gallagher and Holt have been immense and one of the reasons we'vebeen so successful.
Agree we're not seeing the best of Babunski though and I agree why.
But results are everything and right now we are getting them.
Morning Redford - current thoughts?
Dundee United » The disaster that was the January Transfer Window » Today 8:36 am |
Arab99 wrote:
BMT wrote:
And it’s even more pathetic that we aren’t able to call on any academy players to step up.Am assuming you mean the players who have come through the 'Academy'. I'm sure players like Thompson, Stirton Adams and perhaps O'Donnell and Dewar are good enough to be involved. I'm not sure now their loans are over they're back to being United players. Even allowing for this the gaffer's got to want them involved regardless.
They can't play for United this season under SPFL rules, but hopefully next season we'll see more of them.
Dundee United » The disaster that was the January Transfer Window » Today 8:08 am |
BMT wrote:
And it’s even more pathetic that we aren’t able to call on any academy players to step up.
Am assuming you mean the players who have come through the 'Academy'. I'm sure players like Thompson, Stirton Adams and perhaps O'Donnell and Dewar are good enough to be involved. I'm not sure now their loans are over they're back to being United players. Even allowing for this the gaffer's got to want them involved regardless.
Dundee United » Rangers vs DUFC - Wednesday 14th May » Today 7:53 am |
Ferry is sitting one yellow away from suspension. Correct? If he gets a yellow on Wednesday is it automatic for the next game or seven days later meaning he’ll be available for the Aberdeen game?
Dundee United » The disaster that was the January Transfer Window » Today 7:14 am |
Shakey Isles Arab wrote:
Arabdownsouth wrote:
Always_United wrote:
It has been pretty bad, but specifically on St Mirren they've only actually gained 5 points on us since February. When the league is so tight that can happen very quickly and mid table teams can shoot up and down the league at a rate of knots.
There is no getting away from the fact that the January transfer window wasn't a success though. For all the talk of fatigue, there are a host of fresh players signed this season who rarely play or have been put out on loan - you don't need me to name them. Because they aren't good enough, the same players get wheeled out every week.
It's really been a disappointing last few months, bar the three wins in quick succession.
They've gained 7 points on us in the last three games, it's pointless talking about February. It comes down to them having the fucking minerals and us......not so much.Mind ae ADS replying to a post saying: ----- When have we ever had a good transfer window ? ------
- Can't say more.
And it’s even more pathetic that we aren’t able to call on any academy players to step up.
Dundee United » Rangers vs DUFC - Wednesday 14th May » Today 7:14 am |
Walton
SCH Gallagher manny
Strain sevelj docherty sibbald ferry
Dalby moult
Dundee United » The disaster that was the January Transfer Window » Today 7:05 am |
Arabdownsouth wrote:
Always_United wrote:
It has been pretty bad, but specifically on St Mirren they've only actually gained 5 points on us since February. When the league is so tight that can happen very quickly and mid table teams can shoot up and down the league at a rate of knots.
There is no getting away from the fact that the January transfer window wasn't a success though. For all the talk of fatigue, there are a host of fresh players signed this season who rarely play or have been put out on loan - you don't need me to name them. Because they aren't good enough, the same players get wheeled out every week.
It's really been a disappointing last few months, bar the three wins in quick succession.
They've gained 7 points on us in the last three games, it's pointless talking about February. It comes down to them having the fucking minerals and us......not so much.
Mind ae ADS replying to a post saying: ----- When have we ever had a good transfer window ? ------
- Can't say more.
Dundee United » Rangers vs DUFC - Wednesday 14th May » Today 7:00 am |
Got to be the best team available but I’m not sure what that is anymore as a draw there would set us up for Saturday.
Dundee United » United vs St.Mirren - Saturday 10th May » Today 6:57 am |
Personally I don't think Middleton should be near the team but to leave him on the right wing all 2nd half when he's not got a right foot & almost everything was breaking down when he got the ball rather than sticking him on the left (where he looked dangerous 1st half) is mental.
That said, I reckon the last 2 managers have tried to put an arm round Middleton's shoulder and tbh, I'm getting sick his huffy, half-arsed performance s. It's about time someone booted his lazy, fat arse out the door.
Dundee United » United vs St.Mirren - Saturday 10th May » Today 6:52 am |
I've got nothing.
Only thing I can add is I wish we'd 3 more Craig Sibbalds
Dundee United » Rangers vs DUFC - Wednesday 14th May » Today 12:15 am |
Honestly not sure, i'd maybe rest Ferry, Dalby, Sevelj, Docherty, thrown in Campbell, Fiorini, start Van der Sande and Patorn/Moult upfront.
Not expecting anything other defeat, but crucially one eye for us fans anyway is on Pittodrie, we lose 3-0 Aberdeen lose 2-0 and it's still a showdown on Saturday. As defeatist as that sounds it's realism re our current form/injury/confidence standpoint.
Unfortunately, our recent form has us relying on Hibs going to whatever St Mirren's stadium is called this week and doing us a favour.
For all the talk of Celtic taking it easy, resting players for the cup final, they won't want to do anything other than put Aberdeen in their place ahead of the Hampden showdown and they won't have their baffies on, on flag day.
We'd all have bitten hands off for a last day showdown to get Europe, or even be sitting in European spot going into the last game back in August, it's just that so much more could've been had, had we not fallen away.
I think the whole situation was best summed up by this post on Twitter...
I think it's more we earned the right to dream by showing we are capable. The disappointment is we've really fallen away. But form is variable and of course top 6 is better than expected in July but it's not better than what they put in their reach. It's ok to feel frustrated.
Dundee United » Rangers vs DUFC - Wednesday 14th May » Yesterday 11:45 pm |
I think we're all braced for a sore one on Wednesday night.
Rangers have nothing to play for but pride, but can play without pressure, and i'm sure will be looking forward to making us suffer.
We meanwhile seem finished, both physically and mentally.
What XI and formation gives us the best chance at damage limitation if nothing else? (the goal difference taking a battering would all but end our chance for 4th even if we somehow beat Aberdeen).
Would you play our strongest XI or bring a few in from the cold and rest a few for Aberdeen match?
Dundee United » United vs St.Mirren - Saturday 10th May » Yesterday 11:25 pm |
We were shite, however, given how patched up, and off the pace we seemed, we still should've taken the lead, that Dalby header was exactly the chance you want and exactly who you want it to fall to.
Maybe the game plays out the same, but we'd have taken confidence from it, maybe won, maybe only drew.
Not blaming Dalby for the defeat, but it's mental that he could direct that header on target from a pish cross v Hearts, yet miss a bread and butter chance.
Also, the lazy lumps into the box and constant long throws were pointless and never looked like working, Ferry is obviously told to go on throws and I can excuse him for the lumps, he looks fucked, he's playing through the pain.
Very few if any got pass marks yesterday, Docherty isn't gonna be reliable, Sibbald isn't good enough and Manny is still the bombscare that often comes up with the odd plum moment.
Middleton though, bar the cross for Dalby above, it was lazy clipped balls every time, taking no responsibility, there's folk who say he just needs an arm around the shoulder, needs re-assured, well let him do it at St Johnstone or fucking Kelty Hearts.
The manager is not escaping here either, the midfield was pish yesterday, constantly getting overrun, if Harding was fit enough for the bench, he was fit enough to start and it he wasn't able to last or had to come off early, that's when you move Sevelj back there, we lose so much of what we're about when he's not in there.
Rant over......now for a positive moment.
Aberdeen's tanking today set us up for a 90 minute shoot-out on Saturday, I don't expect St Mirren to beat Hibs or take any points v Celtic, so I'm still expecting 5th, but all we need is 1 more 90 minutes, one last performance, from guys who for the most part of the season ran through brick walls and never gave up.
Mon United, into these sheep shagging bastards!
Dundee United » The disaster that was the January Transfer Window » Yesterday 11:24 pm |
Always_United wrote:
It has been pretty bad, but specifically on St Mirren they've only actually gained 5 points on us since February. When the league is so tight that can happen very quickly and mid table teams can shoot up and down the league at a rate of knots.
There is no getting away from the fact that the January transfer window wasn't a success though. For all the talk of fatigue, there are a host of fresh players signed this season who rarely play or have been put out on loan - you don't need me to name them. Because they aren't good enough, the same players get wheeled out every week.
It's really been a disappointing last few months, bar the three wins in quick succession.
They've gained 7 points on us in the last three games, it's pointless talking about February. It comes down to them having the fucking minerals and us......not so much.
Dundee United » The disaster that was the January Transfer Window » Yesterday 9:27 pm |
It has been pretty bad, but specifically on St Mirren they've only actually gained 5 points on us since February. When the league is so tight that can happen very quickly and mid table teams can shoot up and down the league at a rate of knots.
There is no getting away from the fact that the January transfer window wasn't a success though. For all the talk of fatigue, there are a host of fresh players signed this season who rarely play or have been put out on loan - you don't need me to name them. Because they aren't good enough, the same players get wheeled out every week.
It's really been a disappointing last few months, bar the three wins in quick succession.
Dundee United » The disaster that was the January Transfer Window » Yesterday 8:45 pm |
Tek wrote:
Illustrated here is just how disastrous our transfer dealings were in January.
1st February.
United sit 3rd
St.Mirren 9th
We should have strengthened the side strongly and went all in for our best finish in 15 years.
Instead it's absolutely killed us.
Frightening. We brought in players for positions we didn't need and didn't sign players for areas we did need.
Ogren's penny pinching hurts us too.
Dundee United » The disaster that was the January Transfer Window » Yesterday 7:21 pm |
Illustrated here is just how disastrous our transfer dealings were in January.
1st February.
United sit 3rd
St.Mirren 9th
We should have strengthened the side strongly and went all in for our best finish in 15 years.
Instead it's absolutely killed us.
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