Shedtastic wrote:

Conway11 wrote:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/jim-goodwin-reveals-dundee-united-36372240

Just read the following article.

We are making a very big mistake giving Goodwin dough in January. This will leave our new manager in June with his hands tied and stuck with his crap.
 
This could spell the beginning of the end for Ogren if he released funds. Goodwin will piss it up the wall. Remember last Januarys remarkble recruitment drive?

Utter sh!te.

IF Ogren had any brains he should relieve Goodwin of his duties and back the next manager from January onwards.

Mark my words we could be in deep sh!t giving him another window.

My god you really hate him, don't you?
 

I want what is best for the club. As our manager? No I don't rate him

Conway11 wrote:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/jim-goodwin-reveals-dundee-united-36372240

Just read the following article.

We are making a very big mistake giving Goodwin dough in January. This will leave our new manager in June with his hands tied and stuck with his crap.

This could spell the beginning of the end for Ogren if he released funds. Goodwin will piss it up the wall. Remember last Januarys remarkble recruitment drive?

Utter sh!te.

IF Ogren had any brains he should relieve Goodwin of his duties and back the next manager from January onwards.

Mark my words we could be in deep sh!t giving him another window.

 
January’s a terrible window to sign players in. You either have to pay way over the odds, or if you’re a club like ours, you’re just picking up the shite that teams don’t want. I wouldn’t be hanging much hope on January signings saving our season.

I think folk are being a bit OTT with the talk of relegation. We’re in a really bad run of form just now, and it’s hard to see where it ends, but Dundee and Livingston are much worse than us this season. That’s still not good enough, we should be aiming much higher than that, but I can’t see us finishing the season beneath either of them.

We need to sort out the goalkeeper, midfield, and defence though, in that order. Hopefully the latter two can be accomplished with a change in shape rather than signing players in January.

I think the performance at Motherwell has spooked Goodwin into binning the 4-3-3, which is the wrong call for me, I think it’s the system that’s most likely to get us out this mess, and I think a lot of that night was down to Motherwell finding a terrific coach and just being a much better team than us.

Last edited by JerryDungle (10/12/2025 10:22 pm)

Finn Seemann wrote:

Conway has always hated Goodwin.  He's entitled to that opinion, but we only hear it when we are in a slump.

I was at Killie and St Mirren.  We were the better team at Killie and the game was evenly matched at the SMISA (like every game I have seen there - this one fortune fell their way - if Sapsford had scored his one on one then I think we go on to win that one).  I missed our good performance against The Rangers.

Our main issue is the defence.  Both keepers look prone to the odd error or two and Bert doesn't win enough aerials for me to be the main CH.  Ross Graham will help the latter point, but it is clear he's going to need a few games to get up to match level and also to get to know playing with his new teammates in a match scenario. We  need to stop losing soft goals. Goodwin managed that last year with a boy who is currently rooting Ross County to the bottom of the Championship (not to mention last years best midfielder).  

There is a wee bit of a panic due to form, but knee-jerk reactions from Ogren are not what we need.  My confidence of him choosing someone better than Goodwin for the role is at zero.  We need to remember what Goodwin has done behind the scenes as well as on the park.  For that he gets more time for me.  Top six looks beyond us at the moment, but consolidation as the best of the rest is good enough for me this season.  Significantly below that and questions will rightly be asked and relegation = inevitable regime change.

I think we probably need a keeper in January although I'm OK with Kuch coming back if his confidence isn't shot.

 

 
I mostly agree with this. I think binning Goodwin based on this run of form is chucking the baby out with the bath water. He’s not perfect, but he’s done a lot of good in his time here, enough to have my belief that he’ll get us out of it.

I don’t think top 6 is achievable this season either, Hearts, Hibs and Aberdeen are better than us, as they should be given the money they’ve spent, and Motherwell happen to have found themselves a really good manager who’ll have them above the rest of the teams in the league this season.

We gambled again with the goalkeeping situation, and yet again it’s not paid off. We need to get someone solid that isn’t liable to chuck stupid goals in first and foremost. This should help the defence without needing to go signing a load of new centre halves in January.

I’d like us to sign another centre midfielder more than anything (aside from a goalkeeper). I think Pappoe’s injury scunnered Goodwin’s plans for the 3-4-3 this season. Him and Camara in there would’ve likely given us the legs to negate having a man less than a lot of teams in the middle of the park. Sevelj has been weirdly terrible this season for whatever reason.

JerryDungle wrote:

Finn Seemann wrote:

Conway has always hated Goodwin.  He's entitled to that opinion, but we only hear it when we are in a slump.

I was at Killie and St Mirren.  We were the better team at Killie and the game was evenly matched at the SMISA (like every game I have seen there - this one fortune fell their way - if Sapsford had scored his one on one then I think we go on to win that one).  I missed our good performance against The Rangers.

Our main issue is the defence.  Both keepers look prone to the odd error or two and Bert doesn't win enough aerials for me to be the main CH.  Ross Graham will help the latter point, but it is clear he's going to need a few games to get up to match level and also to get to know playing with his new teammates in a match scenario. We  need to stop losing soft goals. Goodwin managed that last year with a boy who is currently rooting Ross County to the bottom of the Championship (not to mention last years best midfielder).  

There is a wee bit of a panic due to form, but knee-jerk reactions from Ogren are not what we need.  My confidence of him choosing someone better than Goodwin for the role is at zero.  We need to remember what Goodwin has done behind the scenes as well as on the park.  For that he gets more time for me.  Top six looks beyond us at the moment, but consolidation as the best of the rest is good enough for me this season.  Significantly below that and questions will rightly be asked and relegation = inevitable regime change.

I think we probably need a keeper in January although I'm OK with Kuch coming back if his confidence isn't shot.

 

 
I mostly agree with this. I think binning Goodwin based on this run of form is chucking the baby out with the bath water. He’s not perfect, but he’s done a lot of good in his time here, enough to have my belief that he’ll get us out of it.

I don’t think top 6 is achievable this season either, Hearts, Hibs and Aberdeen are better than us, as they should be given the money they’ve spent, and Motherwell happen to have found themselves a really good manager who’ll have them above the rest of the teams in the league this season.

We gambled again with the goalkeeping situation, and yet again it’s not paid off. We need to get someone solid that isn’t liable to chuck stupid goals in first and foremost. This should help the defence without needing to go signing a load of new centre halves in January.

I’d like us to sign another centre midfielder more than anything (aside from a goalkeeper). I think Pappoe’s injury scunnered Goodwin’s plans for the 3-4-3 this season. Him and Camara in there would’ve likely given us the legs to negate having a man less than a lot of teams in the middle of the park. Sevelj has been weirdly terrible this season for whatever reason.

 

Firstly, I am a Goodwin fan. What he has achieved in the last couple of seasons has been beyond the expectations of just about everyone. At the end of last season, if we were honest, we all thought: is this is as good as it gets for Goodwin?

A completely new squad was assembled at the close of the season. It was not a squad designed to avoid relegation, but, actually to build on what had already been achieved. Naturally this was going to take time. Unlike Jimmy Thelin and Jens Bertel Askou we were not bringing in a European coach and backing a “philosophy”, we were relying on a Scottish coach to adapt to a multinational squad.

This brings me on to what I think is our biggest problem is - the role of the Chairman/Owner. Ogren is an investor, who delegates the running of the business to others. Contrast this with Dave Cormack. He acts as counsellor to the manager, mediator, conduit between club and fans, ultimate decision maker, all round bad guy, figure of ridicule, but most importantly he is present and accountable. For Goodwin, I think he would benefit from Ogren taking him out for lunch, reassuring him, asking him what he can do to help. If I were Ogren, I would have phoned Walton and Benjy and asked them their thoughts on Mathers. If they both said he was good, then maybe we need a new keeper, but, if they said he didn’t offer much then he needs to be replaced. Regarding Head of Sports Science, I think I would have replaced him.

Even Andrew Cavanagh at Rangers, had the gumption to fly over, sack both the Sporting Director and CE, in person and deal with the media. That demonstrated leadership and accountability.

I don’t know how this pans out for Goodwin, but, if we reach the “he’s got to win the next game” “ beleaguered” stage, it’s possibly too late.

BMT wrote:

I think winning only 3 games this season and 10 games total this calendar year in the league isn’t good enough. We really need atleast 6 points from the next 3 home games or there won’t be any doubt we are in a relegation battle.

Thing is though (and i know this is a stretch from a certain point of view) is that some of the results have been taken from a win to a draw, or a draw to a defeat due to individuals having a brainfart or a loss of concentration that have resulted in us conceding.  Brainfarts are not something that can be coached out of a player very easily.

Macho Man wrote:

BMT wrote:

I think winning only 3 games this season and 10 games total this calendar year in the league isn’t good enough. We really need atleast 6 points from the next 3 home games or there won’t be any doubt we are in a relegation battle.

Thing is though (and i know this is a stretch from a certain point of view) is that some of the results have been taken from a win to a draw, or a draw to a defeat due to individuals having a brainfart or a loss of concentration that have resulted in us conceding.  Brainfarts are not something that can be coached out of a player very easily.

 
I understand where you’re coming from and agree about individual errors but all that matters is results and we are simply not winning enough games. Hopefully a good performance and 3 points tomorrow sets them up for the rest of the season.

Upping our game to get draws against better opposition but consistently losing to lower table clubs is a process that moves you down the table.
The worrying part is that some of those performances have been completely unacceptable. We need to throw in a victory or two but looking at the fixtures where is it coming? So it might as well be today.
Gallagher Graham and especially Kevin Holt marshalled that defence last season in a rock solid way. They didn't need much coaching and they were warriors you wouldn't fancy coming up against as a striker.
The defensive players we've signed have got worse as the season has progressed and that's a very bad sign. Youd just love to line up against Bert Iovu and KK  wouldn't you? After you pal!
As many have said, when this happens you reset into a solid back 4
Will he do it? If he doesn't and we leak goals again today I think his stubbornness might be the end of him.

Personally I'd leave Iovu and Bert out, and partner Graham with Sam Harding in a 4. If not today for Sam, then what is the point. This is why you have a back up CB, he's a fan, he's one of ours, get him in there Goodwin.
Stop playing your fantasy football with Dundee United FC  and start dominating teams at home.

Last edited by redford_must_score (13/12/2025 12:05 pm)