CCX2 2010 wrote:

Who would you prefer to see partner the big man in front.

Paton, a wee bit more mobile and that's probably down to age.

Moult, one of they guys that will bury 50% of the chances created for him and sometimes just creates something out of nothing himself.

For me once he's back fit it's a very easy decision to make but does Jim see Paton adding further to the work ethic and now sees Moult as an impact player from the bench?

 
Neither, I'd like to see Jort given a run.

CCX2 2010 wrote:

I just don't see it with Jort, sorry.

Not saying he doesn't have a small role to play but that's all it would be for me.

I don't think he's as bad a player as we have had up top over the years,  miles ahead of McNulty, Grieve etc. However you need to fo more than run about banging into folk.

 
He is far more than running about and banging into people. He holds the ball up well and also brings others into play with good layoffs. However if he never scores his minutes on the park will be limited.

lifesanocean wrote:

I thought Paton was poor yesterday. Continually was caught on his heels when balls were played into him. Considering he's been here for about 5 weeks his lack of sharpness was concerning. He looked out of his depth.

Thought the same here as well LOA. Pressed the ball without ever looking like he would nick it off their defenders, then was pretty loose with possession when he did get it to feet.

Actually think that the general consensus on this forum when he signed as been an accurate portrayal of his time so far; a decent penalty box forward who could probably score goals, but doesn't fit in to our system, or offer much different to what we already had.

If we were playing two up top I think at the moment my choice would be Jort, at least he links play together fairly well, some of his touches yesterday to bring in the midfielders, especially the wee backheel flick to Ferry, were very good. Think Moult and Dalby is just too immobile for me. Wouldn't be against giving Fotheringham a chance up top though as a few other posters have mentioned in other threads over the past few months.

CCX2 2010 wrote:

Who would you prefer to see partner the big man in front.

Paton, a wee bit more mobile and that's probably down to age.

Moult, one of they guys that will bury 50% of the chances created for him and sometimes just creates something out of nothing himself.

For me once he's back fit it's a very easy decision to make but does Jim see Paton adding further to the work ethic and now sees Moult as an impact player from the bench?

 
Moult, paton won't score a goal and be away end of season

Paton or VDS for me, always preferred a wee man/big man partnership.

Didn’t think Moult and Dalby worked that well together

We don't need to play 2 strikers in the starting lineup if we have width and a supporting number 10. Don't think we have performed well when starting Dalby/Moult or Dalby/Paton.

We were adding a second striker later in games when we'd fallen behind or went looking for a winner. Goals were coming from players arriving late into dangerous areas. We seem to have stopped doing this and we need to start getting back to it.

Get some width back into the starting 11 on Wednesday with Middleton on the left, add Trapanovski later in the game.

The other thing that strikes me is that nowadays there seems to be the attitude that the starting 11 isn't necessarily you're best 11, rather an 11 to get a feel for shape and, performances on the day. If we do get a goal up win ugly. If we don't we bring on Jort and wider players and scrap to the death.     Which to be fair has got us in the good position we're in now.

For me, best starting 11 every time, dinnae worry about the opposition.   As much width as possible most especially Middleton in front of Ferry where down that left flank we get 2 guys that'll skin the opposition every time.

Last edited by Shakey Isles Arab (24/2/2025 9:23 pm)

Shakey Isles Arab wrote:

The other thing that strikes me is that nowadays there seems to be the attitude that the starting 11 isn't necessarily you're best 11, rather an 11 to get a feel for shape and, performances on the day. If we do get a goal up win ugly. If we don't we bring on Jort and wider players and scrap to the death.     Which to be fair has got us in the good position we're in now.

For me, best starting 11 every time, dinnae worry about the opposition.   As much width as possible most especially Middleton in front of Ferry where down that left flank we get 2 guys that'll skin the opposition every time.

Agree with you on both counts Shakey. (1) It's a 15-man selection and (2) Width, width & more width. The team that hits the byeline more will emerge victorious. Weengers, left & right. Weengbacks, left & right.
 

CCX2 2010 wrote:

United Arab Emarite wrote:

Shakey Isles Arab wrote:

The other thing that strikes me is that nowadays there seems to be the attitude that the starting 11 isn't necessarily you're best 11, rather an 11 to get a feel for shape and, performances on the day. If we do get a goal up win ugly. If we don't we bring on Jort and wider players and scrap to the death.     Which to be fair has got us in the good position we're in now.

For me, best starting 11 every time, dinnae worry about the opposition.   As much width as possible most especially Middleton in front of Ferry where down that left flank we get 2 guys that'll skin the opposition every time.

Agree with you on both counts Shakey. (1) It's a 15-man selection and (2) Width, width & more width. The team that hits the byeline more will emerge victorious. Weengers, left & right. Weengbacks, left & right.
 

I think it's hoarses for courses as they say, tomorrow night Moult is injured so thus might just be the chance the VDS has been waiting for and against a team of giants he might get the nod ahead of Paton.

I much prefer watching us shen Middleton is playing but would take a winning performance over style every day of the week.

Mate I 100% cannae disagree.  Jim certainly 100% agrees with you.
 
- But I want 90 minutes of attractive fitba.
- I want to see best 11 on park for starters, use the best ammunition we have from the opening whistle instead of in desperation 1/2 way through 2nd half.   
- I want to go at 100 miles an hour from the beginning instead of this canny stuff (I'd love to see a stat on when we scored opener)
- 100% wins are what I want.       
- Attack isnae wanting yer cake an eating it.    It should be habit.

Now we've had some thrillers wi last minute winners no doubt - but 3 nil against Ross County is the biggest win we've had.   What I'm saying is winning ugly is one thing but bangin in the goals should be the habit - I'd rather be 3 v 0 up scoring attractive football after 60 than 0 v 0 after 80.   

- You get used to goalscoring the rest takes care of itself
 

Last edited by Shakey Isles Arab (25/2/2025 11:19 pm)

The way I see it the more open we become the less likely we are to win this match.
We have to play to our strengths. There is a lack of pace all over the park in our current squad.
Hibs also have more technical players in their midfield than we do,
Until Newel got sent off in the last game we were 2nd best all over the park.
We all would like to see attacking football but JGs job depends on getting results.

Stillliving wrote:

The way I see it the more open we become the less likely we are to win this match.
We have to play to our strengths. There is a lack of pace all over the park in our current squad.
Hibs also have more technical players in their midfield than we do,
Until Newel got sent off in the last game we were 2nd best all over the park.
We all would like to see attacking football but JGs job depends on getting results.

Is Newell not injured for tonight?

CCX2 2010 wrote:

Shakey Isles Arab wrote:

CCX2 2010 wrote:

I think it's hoarses for courses as they say, tomorrow night Moult is injured so thus might just be the chance the VDS has been waiting for and against a team of giants he might get the nod ahead of Paton.

I much prefer watching us shen Middleton is playing but would take a winning performance over style every day of the week.

Mate I 100% cannae disagree.  Jim certainly 100% agrees with you.
 
- But I want 90 minutes of attractive fitba.
- I want to see best 11 on park for starters, use the best ammunition we have from the opening whistle instead of in desperation 1/2 way through 2nd half.   
- I want to go at 100 miles an hour from the beginning instead of this canny stuff (I'd love to see a stat on when we scored opener)
- 100% wins are what I want.       
- Attack isnae wanting yer cake an eating it.    It should be habit.

Now we've had some thrillers wi last minute winners no doubt - but 3 nil against Ross County is the biggest win we've had.   What I'm saying is winning ugly is one thing but bangin in the goals should be the habit - I'd rather be 3 v 0 up scoring attractive football after 60 than 0 v 0 after 80.   

- You get used to goalscoring the rest takes care of itself
 

 
I don't think there's a fan of any club on the planet the doesn't want what you describe above.

The reality is though that half this squad were assembled to come out on the right side of a square go down at Cappilow on Tuesday night in December. And it shows through they refuse to be bullied by anyone and the league table proves it.

Probably for another thread on another day but I don't think a Jim Goodwin side will ever play that brand of football that I have rarely seen in my 35 years of going to watch United.

Love the fitba'.
Love these discussions.