Goodwin will get a lot of things right, he will get a lot of things wrong.  That's life.

Last night the starting 11 and the tactics were wrong.

There are also some players I felt suffered from things just not going their way.  If that was down to team selection, tactics, bad luck, or something else, I don't know.

He changed things up at half time and at times we looked like a team possessed.

It feels worse cos it was against them.

Never liked the Scottish Cup anyway.

Dalby and Moult together wasn't what I would have started with (See page 1 if you think that might be hindsight) As Finn says Middleton and Dalby maybe should have started with the option of adding Trapanovski and Moult later. Most of our recent success has come off the flanks and Strain was off it leaving Ferry to carry that task on his own.

The makeshift midfield never fired up.
Yes we pressed later in the game but even losing that early goal we could have been level by HT if we had tried to play some football instead of punting it up to Dalby and Moult for 60 minutes.

An opportunity lost.
Wonder what Fiorini is expecting.

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That result was coming. Derbies are levellers and sooner or later they were going to win one.

As to Dundee FC they edged it and will be happy. I can handle a defeat. But just how desperate and malevolent does a player need to be to be constantly throwing themselves to the ground? The whole game!
Simon Murray is a fucking disgrace and needs to have a look at himself.

Tbf we improved from the start of the second half.

Just because he didn't make subs doesnt mean he didn't change things.

Tangy wrote:

Tbf we improved from the start of the second half.

Just because he didn't make subs doesnt mean he didn't change things.

Agreed, but by not having a go earlier we permitted Dundee's game plan.  Get a goal, defend like feck, ride our luck and hope to get another on a break away (which they probably should have).  We needed to get on terms as quickly as possible after their goal and Goodwin failed to do anything needed to do that until the start of the second half at best but in reality it only really changed on the 71st minute when we went from competing better to dominating.

I agree with others that Goodwin is potentially justified in thinking that our penchant for scoring late goals would come good, but it didn't and this is Dundee, put them to bed in the first half and party the second!

Finn Seemann wrote:

Tangy wrote:

Tbf we improved from the start of the second half.

Just because he didn't make subs doesnt mean he didn't change things.

Agreed, but by not having a go earlier we permitted Dundee's game plan.  Get a goal, defend like feck, ride our luck and hope to get another on a break away (which they probably should have).  We needed to get on terms as quickly as possible after their goal and Goodwin failed to do anything needed to do that until the start of the second half at best but in reality it only really changed on the 71st minute when we went from competing better to dominating.

I agree with others that Goodwin is potentially justified in thinking that our penchant for scoring late goals would come good, but it didn't and this is Dundee, put them to bed in the first half and party the second!

 
100% this. Like Raith last season late goals are great but when you start to rely on them there's an underlying problem.

Murray commuted at least three fouls last night that IMO were bookings.

He was part of the worst Utd I’ve ever seen in 2015/16 and the way he signed for Hibs still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

Glad we didn’t re-sign the bnb.

Tek wrote:

He's an annoying fucker Murray. A diver and a bit of a gobshite and fake hardman.

But he's exactly the type of player we need. Has pace, can run the channels and can score.

It still disappoints me we never pushed the boat out for him last January when it was an open secret he wanted to move to one of the clubs in his home city. We instead paid a fee for VDS.

Sometimes the most obvious answer is right under your nose.

 
He would be the perfect partner for Dalby or Moult. Just a nippy little shite.

Shakey Isles Arab wrote:

Another thing comes to mind looking at corner that they got the goal from.
Now Goodwin had been too see Dundee Celtic game midweek so you'd think he'd know the Dee boy had a lethal corner in him.
With that in mind mebbe Sevelj would have been better employed standing 9 1/2 yard off him and jumping to stop it at source. Certainly better employed than covering Murray 2 or 3 inches taller.
Even after goal we seemed to have no answer to the boys corners.       Duaaah

Exactly.  That's why I thought he'd put on 4 CHs.  But none of them were involved in a textbook ball and run off the front post.  Fair play to the Dees their corners caused us lots of problems.  I thought the boy Robertson was supposed to be shit?  He seems to have a peach of a delivery.  On that note, Sevelj consistently produces quality crosses in open play - why's he not on the dead ball kicks?

Tek wrote:

He's an annoying fucker Murray. A diver and a bit of a gobshite and fake hardman.

But he's exactly the type of player we need. Has pace, can run the channels and can score.

It still disappoints me we never pushed the boat out for him last January when it was an open secret he wanted to move to one of the clubs in his home city. We instead paid a fee for VDS.

Sometimes the most obvious answer is right under your nose.

Sorry Tek mate, Let’s be real here – he’s overachieving in a dreadful squad, nothing more. He’s nearly 33 and riding a wave of mediocrity. If we’d signed him, I’d have been absolutely livid. The Funsters are content scraping by in 8th or 9th place – avoiding relegation is a parade-worthy achievement for them. That’s their ceiling, and they love it.We’re operating on a whole different level, with ambitions of consistently securing 3rd or 4th place, challenging for Europe, and building something meaningful. That clown wouldn’t even come close to meeting our standards. The thought of him at our club is genuinely embarrassing – he’s not and never has been remotely capable of producing anything close to what we need. 

Conway11 wrote:

Tek wrote:

He's an annoying fucker Murray. A diver and a bit of a gobshite and fake hardman.

But he's exactly the type of player we need. Has pace, can run the channels and can score.

It still disappoints me we never pushed the boat out for him last January when it was an open secret he wanted to move to one of the clubs in his home city. We instead paid a fee for VDS.

Sometimes the most obvious answer is right under your nose.

Sorry Tek mate, Let’s be real here – he’s overachieving in a dreadful squad, nothing more. He’s nearly 33 and riding a wave of mediocrity. If we’d signed him, I’d have been absolutely livid. The Funsters are content scraping by in 8th or 9th place – avoiding relegation is a parade-worthy achievement for them. That’s their ceiling, and they love it.We’re operating on a whole different level, with ambitions of consistently securing 3rd or 4th place, challenging for Europe, and building something meaningful. That clown wouldn’t even come close to meeting our standards. The thought of him at our club is genuinely embarrassing – he’s not and never has been remotely capable of producing anything close to what we need. 

I'm with you in never wanting Murray and that's because he has very little footballing talent.  However he absolutely gets the most out of his limited talents and you've got to grudgingly admire that.  He's a better footballer than when he left us too.  Still happy that we didn't push the boat out for him in the summer, but he would have on a short term basis have solved our lack of pace issue.  Jumping to Hibs also counts against him as well as clearly hating us...

Finn Seemann wrote:

Conway11 wrote:

Tek wrote:

He's an annoying fucker Murray. A diver and a bit of a gobshite and fake hardman.

But he's exactly the type of player we need. Has pace, can run the channels and can score.

It still disappoints me we never pushed the boat out for him last January when it was an open secret he wanted to move to one of the clubs in his home city. We instead paid a fee for VDS.

Sometimes the most obvious answer is right under your nose.

Sorry Tek mate, Let’s be real here – he’s overachieving in a dreadful squad, nothing more. He’s nearly 33 and riding a wave of mediocrity. If we’d signed him, I’d have been absolutely livid. The Funsters are content scraping by in 8th or 9th place – avoiding relegation is a parade-worthy achievement for them. That’s their ceiling, and they love it.We’re operating on a whole different level, with ambitions of consistently securing 3rd or 4th place, challenging for Europe, and building something meaningful. That clown wouldn’t even come close to meeting our standards. The thought of him at our club is genuinely embarrassing – he’s not and never has been remotely capable of producing anything close to what we need. 

I'm with you in never wanting Murray and that's because he has very little footballing talent.  However he absolutely gets the most out of his limited talents and you've got to grudgingly admire that.  He's a better footballer than when he left us too.  Still happy that we didn't push the boat out for him in the summer, but he would have on a short term basis have solved our lack of pace issue.  Jumping to Hibs also counts against him as well as clearly hating us...

He scored 20+ goals for Ross County last season.

And is on something like 15 this season, already, so looking like another 20+ goals season .He brings goals and pace.

Meanwhile we spent money on VDS who brings neither. 

Anyway that ship has sailed, but my point is more one that sometimes we don't have to over complicate recruitment.
 

I think most of us can at this point agree, that Murray would offer more than VDS and with injuries, Moult as well.

However, even allowing for him coming from Ross County, it would've been at a fair cost, so in hindsight, yes he'd have been better option than what we currently have, but we'd have been disappointed if we spent daft money on him, remember we're still paying the inflated wages of an ageing striker as well.

We gambled on the fitness of Moult and unknowns in Dalby and VdS, come the end of the season we'll see if that was right.