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15/6/2023 1:54 pm  #76


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

Tony Watt is not my kind of player, not a team player and lazy.

Players who need to pull their sleeves over their hands infuriate me let alone snoods and women's leggins won't cut it at Gayfield, Somerset and Cappielow.

Still nae idea what his strengths are or where you play the guy. Get him fit and pay him off in August is my guesstimate.

 

15/6/2023 6:43 pm  #77


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

Alex Iacovitti, Keith Watson, David Cancola and Dominic Samuel all released from County. Watson would certainly be a good signing for the championship but too injury prone, Iacovitti was good whenever I seen him play, Cancola looked decent enough and no idea about Dominic Samuel tbh.

 

15/6/2023 10:42 pm  #78


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-united/4479829/jim-goodwin-admits-dundee-uniteds-top-players-are-wanted-men-and-some-could-move-on-this-summer/

Another interview with Goodwin regarding transfers, wants 5 or 6 in, the chairman is fantastic, talking about the type of player we need, some players will leave but no suggestion at all that anything incoming is imminent…..

Pre season begins next Thursday…

Last edited by Snacks94 (15/6/2023 10:42 pm)

 

16/6/2023 9:05 am  #79


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

Arab87 wrote:

Alex Iacovitti, Keith Watson, David Cancola and Dominic Samuel all released from County. Watson would certainly be a good signing for the championship but too injury prone, Iacovitti was good whenever I seen him play, Cancola looked decent enough and no idea about Dominic Samuel tbh.

Would jump at the chance to sign Iacovitti but can't see him dropping down - he was by and away their most consistent player all season, and feel will head back down the road. Dominic Samuel had a decent career started down south but is known for having an attitude problem so probably not another one we need to add... I reckon Keith Watson would do for a season but that would be it then he'd need replaced should we get up. 

 

16/6/2023 11:33 am  #80


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

Snacks94 wrote:

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-united/4479829/jim-goodwin-admits-dundee-uniteds-top-players-are-wanted-men-and-some-could-move-on-this-summer/

Another interview with Goodwin regarding transfers, wants 5 or 6 in, the chairman is fantastic, talking about the type of player we need, some players will leave but no suggestion at all that anything incoming is imminent…..

Pre season begins next Thursday…

 
In hindsight it was pretty fanciful to expect a massive clearout. We have a lot of mediocre players who simply will not get offers elsewhere even close to what we’re paying them, (Niskanen, McMann, Middleton, Watt to name but a few) so we are likely stuck with them till their contracts are up. It is vital though that we get rid of the boys that actively cost us points, even if we have to bite the bullet and pay them off. Birighitti and Mulgrew are two such players. Biro will defo be gone, Goodwin tried to persevere with him but even he had to drop him after one fuck up too many. He knows he’s a clown and can’t be trusted. Mulgrew I’m less sure we’ll be rid of, but we’ll see.

Levitt & Behich will defo be gone, their agents will be working on getting them moves as we speak, just a case of waiting for teams to firm up their interest. We were always gonna have to wait until boys leave to start making signings, our wage budget was too high in the Premiership, so in the Championship it’s gonna be downright unsustainable. A slow start to the summer was always gonna be on the cards, as Ogren won’t release funds till we free up wages.

Goodwin’s just got to get most of his signings right, in terms of personality as much as anything. Dunne and Grimshaw, who’ve been mentioned are probably a good start. A few more of these types that graft and put in the hard yards might help bring out the best in some of the fairies in our squad.

Last edited by JerryDungle (16/6/2023 11:34 am)

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17/6/2023 2:35 am  #81


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

JerryDungle wrote:

Snacks94 wrote:

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-united/4479829/jim-goodwin-admits-dundee-uniteds-top-players-are-wanted-men-and-some-could-move-on-this-summer/

Another interview with Goodwin regarding transfers, wants 5 or 6 in, the chairman is fantastic, talking about the type of player we need, some players will leave but no suggestion at all that anything incoming is imminent…..

Pre season begins next Thursday…

 
In hindsight it was pretty fanciful to expect a massive clearout. We have a lot of mediocre players who simply will not get offers elsewhere even close to what we’re paying them, (Niskanen, McMann, Middleton, Watt to name but a few) so we are likely stuck with them till their contracts are up. It is vital though that we get rid of the boys that actively cost us points, even if we have to bite the bullet and pay them off. Birighitti and Mulgrew are two such players. Biro will defo be gone, Goodwin tried to persevere with him but even he had to drop him after one fuck up too many. He knows he’s a clown and can’t be trusted. Mulgrew I’m less sure we’ll be rid of, but we’ll see.
.   ..... A few more of these types that graft and put in the hard yards might help bring out the best in some of the fairies in our squad.

Twisting your words here a wee bit mate but we're no gunning for top six, we're aiming to get out o diddy Div.  McCann and Niskannen, + Middleton maybe are exactly the sort of players we're after 

 

17/6/2023 5:21 am  #82


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

JerryDungle wrote:

We were always gonna have to wait until boys leave to start making signings

We've just let go of SEVEN first team players. All of them on a BIG wage.

Not to mention the few young players who have been binned (who the club haven't mentioned yet).

See if we genuinely need to bin more players before a signing is made, ask yourself this? Everyone. Every Utd fan.

Is this the Owner of the club you want? Keep asking yourself this question over the course of the coming months.

Let's see how many say 'YES', come the January window.


 

 

17/6/2023 6:27 am  #83


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

Tek wrote:

JerryDungle wrote:

We were always gonna have to wait until boys leave to start making signings

We've just let go of SEVEN first team players. All of them on a BIG wage.

Not to mention the few young players who have been binned (who the club haven't mentioned yet).

See if we genuinely need to bin more players before a signing is made, ask yourself this? Everyone. Every Utd fan.

Is this the Owner of the club you want? Keep asking yourself this question over the course of the coming months.

Let's see how many say 'YES', come the January window.


 

 
We’ve still got Watt, Levitt, Behich, Fletcher & Mulgrew on between 3-5k+ a week, the first two on the higher end of that scale. Birighitti, Niskanen, Middleton and a few others won’t be too far behind that. We’ve not paid those sorts of wages since the Ian McCall days where Derek McInnes was making 8 grand a week with us. From 2010-2015, I don’t think Stephen Thompson ever paid anyone over 2k a week, and think of the players we had in that time.

Whether Ogren’s the owner I want or not, no one’s gonna want to be paying those kinds of wages in the Championship, so he’ll definitely be wanting them off the wage bill before committing even more money. Yeah it’s his own stupid fault for agreeing to those types of wages in the first place with no relegation clauses, but he’ll be waiting to see who he can offload first.

That’s why I’m surprised Goodwin’s talking of even keeping Fletcher, as much as he puts in a shift for us and doesn’t hide, he really doesn’t offer us the goals that you’d pay that sort of money for. You could comfortably sign 2/3 good players for the championship for the money he’s on.

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17/6/2023 6:31 am  #84


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

Shakey Isles Arab wrote:

JerryDungle wrote:

Snacks94 wrote:

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-united/4479829/jim-goodwin-admits-dundee-uniteds-top-players-are-wanted-men-and-some-could-move-on-this-summer/

Another interview with Goodwin regarding transfers, wants 5 or 6 in, the chairman is fantastic, talking about the type of player we need, some players will leave but no suggestion at all that anything incoming is imminent…..

Pre season begins next Thursday…

 
In hindsight it was pretty fanciful to expect a massive clearout. We have a lot of mediocre players who simply will not get offers elsewhere even close to what we’re paying them, (Niskanen, McMann, Middleton, Watt to name but a few) so we are likely stuck with them till their contracts are up. It is vital though that we get rid of the boys that actively cost us points, even if we have to bite the bullet and pay them off. Birighitti and Mulgrew are two such players. Biro will defo be gone, Goodwin tried to persevere with him but even he had to drop him after one fuck up too many. He knows he’s a clown and can’t be trusted. Mulgrew I’m less sure we’ll be rid of, but we’ll see.
.   ..... A few more of these types that graft and put in the hard yards might help bring out the best in some of the fairies in our squad.

Twisting your words here a wee bit mate but we're no gunning for top six, we're aiming to get out o diddy Div.  McCann and Niskannen, + Middleton maybe are exactly the sort of players we're after 

 
A poor player’s a poor player though. McMann’s no gonna suddenly gain an extra yard of pace cause he’s in the championship, likewise Niskanen’s no gonna suddenly find a final ball down there. Middleton might turn out to be a no bad player, but Goodwin had better whip the fat wee phucker into shape first, so he’s at least capable of lasting more than 60 minutes without breathing out his hoop.

Last edited by JerryDungle (17/6/2023 6:32 am)

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17/6/2023 6:47 am  #85


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

JerryDungle wrote:

Tek wrote:

JerryDungle wrote:

We were always gonna have to wait until boys leave to start making signings

We've just let go of SEVEN first team players. All of them on a BIG wage.

Not to mention the few young players who have been binned (who the club haven't mentioned yet).

See if we genuinely need to bin more players before a signing is made, ask yourself this? Everyone. Every Utd fan.

Is this the Owner of the club you want? Keep asking yourself this question over the course of the coming months.

Let's see how many say 'YES', come the January window.


 

 
We’ve still got Watt, Levitt, Behich, Fletcher & Mulgrew on between 3-5k+ a week, the first two on the higher end of that scale. Birighitti, Niskanen, Middleton and a few others won’t be too far behind that. We’ve not paid those sorts of wages since the Ian McCall days where Derek McInnes was making 8 grand a week with us. From 2010-2015, I don’t think Stephen Thompson ever paid anyone over 2k a week, and think of the players we had in that time.

Whether Ogren’s the owner I want or not, no one’s gonna want to be paying those kinds of wages in the Championship, so he’ll definitely be wanting them off the wage bill before committing even more money. Yeah it’s his own stupid fault for agreeing to those types of wages in the first place with no relegation clauses, but he’ll be waiting to see who he can offload first.

That’s why I’m surprised Goodwin’s talking of even keeping Fletcher, as much as he puts in a shift for us and doesn’t hide, he really doesn’t offer us the goals that you’d pay that sort of money for. You could comfortably sign 2/3 good players for the championship for the money he’s on.

We've just got rid of 7 players on a wage of  anywhere between £100,000 to £200,000 a year. Basic.

That is a huge saving in the budget. Not long off the back of the Owner receiving the Harry Souttar windfall (something he has inherited).

So, again. How many more players need to leave or be sold before we make a signing?

And, again. Is this the type of owner everyone wants?

Seems almost taboo to raise this subject.
 

 

17/6/2023 11:07 am  #86


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

Personally, I want the sheihk to turn down man united and take dundee united instead but you can only p!ss with the cock that you've got.

We've been relegated which means a massive downturn in income, cutting our cloth accordingly doesn't really seem as bad a suggestion as you are making it out to be?

What would you rather he did?


If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.
 

17/6/2023 10:21 pm  #87


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

Tek wrote:

JerryDungle wrote:

Tek wrote:


We've just let go of SEVEN first team players. All of them on a BIG wage.

Not to mention the few young players who have been binned (who the club haven't mentioned yet).

See if we genuinely need to bin more players before a signing is made, ask yourself this? Everyone. Every Utd fan.

Is this the Owner of the club you want? Keep asking yourself this question over the course of the coming months.

Let's see how many say 'YES', come the January window.


 

 
We’ve still got Watt, Levitt, Behich, Fletcher & Mulgrew on between 3-5k+ a week, the first two on the higher end of that scale. Birighitti, Niskanen, Middleton and a few others won’t be too far behind that. We’ve not paid those sorts of wages since the Ian McCall days where Derek McInnes was making 8 grand a week with us. From 2010-2015, I don’t think Stephen Thompson ever paid anyone over 2k a week, and think of the players we had in that time.

Whether Ogren’s the owner I want or not, no one’s gonna want to be paying those kinds of wages in the Championship, so he’ll definitely be wanting them off the wage bill before committing even more money. Yeah it’s his own stupid fault for agreeing to those types of wages in the first place with no relegation clauses, but he’ll be waiting to see who he can offload first.

That’s why I’m surprised Goodwin’s talking of even keeping Fletcher, as much as he puts in a shift for us and doesn’t hide, he really doesn’t offer us the goals that you’d pay that sort of money for. You could comfortably sign 2/3 good players for the championship for the money he’s on.

We've just got rid of 7 players on a wage of  anywhere between £100,000 to £200,000 a year. Basic.

That is a huge saving in the budget. Not long off the back of the Owner receiving the Harry Souttar windfall (something he has inherited).

So, again. How many more players need to leave or be sold before we make a signing?

And, again. Is this the type of owner everyone wants?

Seems almost taboo to raise this subject.
 

 

Precisely. Ogren has made no apology for, his appointments. He refuses to be accountable. He has demonstrated no duty of candour. If anything he just wants to subjugate anyone attempts to criticise his appointees.

I think many people only see the fact that he ploughed £13m into United, therefore he is above criticism.

It has been obvious for a long time, that, he will put no more of his money into the club.

 

18/6/2023 9:31 am  #88


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

What's the plan then Tek?

The only thing I want from an owner is success, and clearly we didn't get that last season, and people rightly concerned about the future.

But even if I was certain we need a new owner how do we go about that in a way that makes the club stronger?

 

18/6/2023 11:18 am  #89


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

Seen on twitter that Hinchcliffe has left United earlier so if true a much needed new gk coach to be brought in.

Hinchcliffe yet again proved to be a disaster so will be no loss as it surely can not be hard to get a superior replacement in.

I wonder who it will be though.

 

19/6/2023 6:04 pm  #90


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

Ross docherty signed from partick

Good signing, exactly the type we need

 

19/6/2023 6:10 pm  #91


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

Docherty Is a good start to the essential rebuild. As I said a few weeks back on here we should be looking to sign the best current players in the Championship.

 

19/6/2023 6:22 pm  #92


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

SuperMario wrote:

Ross docherty signed from partick

Good signing, exactly the type we need

 
150 games in the championship, played well for Partick last season, hopefully toughen up our midfield.

 

19/6/2023 6:45 pm  #93


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

Kevin Holt.

Left back. But has played LCB, would replace Mulgrew

 

19/6/2023 8:59 pm  #94


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

Heard tonight Jim’s held talks recently with 3 players,  guessing Docherty is one of them.

 

19/6/2023 9:01 pm  #95


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

RogerTheAlien wrote:

Heard tonight Jim’s held talks recently with 3 players,  guessing Docherty is one of them.

 
Hopefully a solid CH and a tricky winger are they other two.

 

20/6/2023 12:00 pm  #96


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

MockChop wrote:

Kevin Holt.

Left back. But has played LCB, would replace Mulgrew

 
Not sure on that one if I am being honest.

 

20/6/2023 1:17 pm  #97


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

Seen on Mad someone say Fletch is considering retirement. On Twitter to fans saying they’ve heard Sibbald is away to Killie.

Losing both them would be gutting.

 

20/6/2023 2:39 pm  #98


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

Think losing Fletcher would be a blow but potentially saving a shit load of cash on wages which we should be able to bring in two strikers with.

As for Sibbald, like the rest of the squad nobody got pass marks for me for last season. I think he was just the least worst of an extremely bad bunch. He is bang average.

I want to see a few young guys coming in that have eyes on moving on to bigger clubs with a bit of hunger and pace.

 

20/6/2023 3:13 pm  #99


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

Sounds like docherty is in the same mould....thistle fans saying he covers every blade of grass.

Sibbald was better than I thought he would be by far but think he struggled to see 90 minutes out. Whether that was a temporary fitness issue or something he just can't do, I don't know


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20/6/2023 4:18 pm  #100


Re: Rebuilding United in the Championship

RogerTheAlien wrote:

Seen on Mad someone say Fletch is considering retirement. On Twitter to fans saying they’ve heard Sibbald is away to Killie.

Losing both them would be gutting.

 
Agreed, Fletcher retiring would be a disaster tbh and sibbald is a good player- got asked to do the job that docherty will be doing this season which isn’t his game, reckon he’d be better if he was able to go further forward

 

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