And see this narrative that these lockdowns are to protect the strain on the NHS. Don't make me laugh.

The Louisa Jordan was the biggest white elephant GLasgow has seen since they built the Glasgow Tower i.e. the attraction that was never open because the lifts never worked.

It sat there completely empty until it's closure and that was when the 1st wave was at it's peak.

Tek wrote:

3 jags in a year to just sit in the hoose.

Nae bother Sturgeon 🖕

 

You’re not having to sit in the hoose though are you?  You can still go out, got to a boozer, cinema, cafe, restaurant etc.  yes it’s gutting about the football but I think the government are just shitting themselves about the worst case scenarios they are being presented with.

Now you can argue they are being way over the top, however I certainly wouldn’t want to be the person making these decisions.   Do nothing and potentially have essential services - supply chain, emergency services, utilities etc essentially shut down because half the staff are off sick, or put restrictions in place and piss most of the population offs so much that they simply ignore you.  Glad it’s not me making that decision.

SlatefordArab wrote:

Tek wrote:

3 jags in a year to just sit in the hoose.

Nae bother Sturgeon 🖕

 

You’re not having to sit in the hoose though are you? You can still go out, got to a boozer, cinema, cafe, restaurant etc. yes it’s gutting about the football but I think the government are just shitting themselves about the worst case scenarios they are being presented with.
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Legally, you can, yes.

But this constant fearmongering and urging people not to socialise and stay indoors is bordering on ridiculous now.

The death and hospitalisation rates are the only two factors that should be taken into consideration now. Both are currently lower than they were in September when we had almost 13,000 supporters in Tannadice for the derby.

The SNP are erring far too much on the side of caution. 
 

Tek wrote:

SlatefordArab wrote:

Tek wrote:

3 jags in a year to just sit in the hoose.

Nae bother Sturgeon 🖕

 

You’re not having to sit in the hoose though are you? You can still go out, got to a boozer, cinema, cafe, restaurant etc. yes it’s gutting about the football but I think the government are just shitting themselves about the worst case scenarios they are being presented with.
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Legally, you can, yes.

But this constant fearmongering and urging people not to socialise and stay indoors is bordering on ridiculous now.

The death and hospitalisation rates are the only two factors that should be taken into consideration now. Both are currently lower than they were in September when we had almost 13,000 supporters in Tannadice for the derby.

The SNP are erring far too much on the side of caution. 
 

Yep, that was the point I was making - its not just death and hospitalisation that is being factored in with Omicron given how infectious it appears to be.  If say half the people that worked in the supply chain were all off work at the same time with covid symptoms, what would happen?  Or people that produce food?  Or the police?  Or fire service?  Or the power companies?   

I'm not saying the Scottish Government had got things 100% correct here, I am just thinking that if the scientific experts were telling you omicron could potentially devastate these things that society relies on to function, then I think most government's would err on the side of caution.  I have absolutely no doubt that if Sarwar or Ross were FM (yes I know, try not to laugh), they would be doing exactly the same things as Sturgeon.
 

Was reading a article last week talking about pandemics from late 1800s which they reckon were the source of what is now considered to be one of the common cold viruses. At the time it was horrendous but a virus's ultimate goal is to survive (killing everyone is not good for a virus) so eventually this one mutated into a much milder form of itself that people could live with. Hopefully that is what we are seeing with Covid.

I've been checking the all the covid figures in Scotland pretty much daily since this began as these things really fascinate me - causation/predictions based on current data etc.  Not that I fully understand it all of course.

I am sure most folk have seen this page, the info and the way it is presented is fantastic:

https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/

Just looking at the latest stats there as there was a gap between Christmas Eve and yesterday.

The number of folk in hospital being treated for covid has been hovering around the 450-550 mark for the last month or so.

Yesterday it was back up to 679 which is up around 180 since Christmas Eve.

At its highest peak it was just over 2000 at the end of Jan 2021 (pre most folk having the vaccine) then it peaked again in September after all the last lot of restrictions were lifted in the summer at just over 1000 (post most folk having at least one vaccine).  It was around 1500 in April 2020 when we were just a few weeks into the first lock down and the first batch of cases were at the end of their... cycle - no vaccinations back then either obviously. 

If that circa 200 new admissions this week continues at the same rate then we'd be back at the September peak this time in two weeks?  and then back at last Jan's peak by the end of Jan/start/mid of Feb again.  Will be very interesting to see if that actually happens or if the peak will be really short and sharp as per some expert's view.

Of course the numbers in ICU are important too - at that 2000 peak in Jan there were around 160 in ICU, at the moment there are 36 out of the 679 figure.  At the April 2020 peak there were 167 in ICU out of the 1500 total.

Also interesting to see what age-groups are returning the largest positive test cases and how that might change after all the inter-generational mixing there will have been going on at Christmas.




 

Last edited by SlatefordArab (30/12/2021 12:48 pm)

Honest questions (I'm in NZ):

1/ How do stats compare vs England/Ireland & what regulations are in place there ?
(great site btw Slateford)

2/ D'you reckon we'll get a restart come Jan 18th ?

Question 1 - facts/references not opinions

Last edited by Shakey Isles Arab (31/12/2021 10:32 pm)

Shakey Isles Arab wrote:

Honest questions (I'm in NZ):

1/ How do stats compare vs England/Ireland & what regulations are in place there ?
(great site btw Slateford)

2/ D'you reckon we'll get a restart come Jan 18th ?

Question 1 - facts/references not opinions

 

I think a comparison to Ireland and England is really hard to make over the course of the whole pandemic.  There have been peaks and troughs all the way through in each country.  There also seems to have been very different rates of infection/hospitalisations in different regions in each country over the course of this.  Each new variant seems to take hold in London first though then spreads throughout the rest of the UK over a month or so.

As for getting back in on the 18th.  I really don’t know.  Given how catious Sturgeon has been I would not be surprised if the 500 rule is carried on for another few weeks…

I was listening to a guy on Radio 5 yesterday who is on the JCVI  and he was confident this surge will be very short though (compared to the previous waves) so who knows.

Last edited by SlatefordArab (01/1/2022 10:19 am)

Think we'll find out today if we will be back in Tannadice next Tuesday?  Saw a few tweets yesterday having a go at Leitch after newspaper reports saying he was hinting that we'll still be limited to 500.  Thing is, I heard the interview those papers were reporting on and he never said such a thing...

Looking at yesterday's figures - we now have 1432 in hospital, that's up by circa 1000 since Xmas Eve...  mental.  54 in ICU - that's up around 20 since Xmas Eve.    The number of cases seems to be on the down-turn now though and comparison trend between cases and hospitalisations is nothing like last January so just shows how well the vaccines are breaking that link.

Canadian Arab wrote:

Are these trucker protests in Ottawa getting any news coverage in the UK?

Not that i've seen CA.

All i have seen of the footage has been on Twitter.
 

Tek wrote:

Canadian Arab wrote:

Are these trucker protests in Ottawa getting any news coverage in the UK?

Not that i've seen CA.

All i have seen of the footage has been on Twitter.
 

Still next to nothing on UK news regarding Trudeau's tyrannical reaction to the protests.
 

Tek wrote:

Still next to nothing on UK news regarding Trudeau's tyrannical reaction to the protests.
 

Just saw this, Tek.

Protests were nothing to do with truckers and vaccination mandates. The truckers (what few there were that actually attended) were just unwitting cover for the real protestors, who were/are a bunch of far-right extremists intent on overthrowing an elected government. Residents in downtown Ottawa were being abused and assaulted - many were racially-motivated attacks. A convoy protest blocking the Canada/US border south of here, organised by people with direct links to the Ottawa protest, was broken up by police after a nighttime raid (following a tip-off) found a large cache of semi-automatic weapons, ammunition and flak vests etc., and plans to ambush and kill police officers in a gun battle. Ottawa protestors were stockpiling enough fuel to cause a massive explosion and there were rumours of weapons in that convoy too. Trudeau was far more patient than most people wanted him to be, and was pretty lenient when the federal govt eventually stepped in.