SNP, its the only choice, even though they are generally a massive disappointment at the moment.

Tek wrote:

How are you voting?
 

Posted over a week ago and no votes for Labour, yet.

Wow.
 

Cannae see how anyone can consider voting for the Tories given their performances on the telly in recent days.

If you vote Tory tomorrow you are voting for four more years of austerity, the NHS getting sold off bit by bit, and a shambolic 'No Deal' Brexit getting pushed through.

You are also voting for a man who views Scots with utter disdain.


 

Really can’t get my head around why anybody in Scotland would vote for the Conservative Party and what it has become over the last 10 years or so.  Ok, let’s say Scotland did leave the UK, I could understand people who think of themselves as conservative would vote for a Scottish only Conservative Party.

But why anybody in Scotland would vote for that bunch of absolute horrible cunts in Westminster really is incredible.  You only have to take one look at that video Tek posted there to see what they think of us.

Excellent.

North East Fife back to Lib Dem. at least we haven’t given poor Nicola her ‘mandate’ for independence here at least.

Tek wrote:

Labour are finished in Scotland.

Their only way back is if they adopt a neutral stance on Scottish Independence. They won't.

They never learn.

Not that it really matters if Scots vote for them.

If all 59 Scottish seats had went to Labour it would still have been a Tory Government (albeit minority).

And this is why we need out of this shit. We will be lumbered with an English Tory Government forever until we do.

They adopted a neutral position on Brexit: that hindered them. They are ambiguous over Trident which costs billions. That also failed them. To be neutral on Scottish independence would attract failure too.

A large group within Labour is in favour of independence, and I think the Scottish party will split into two quite soon, with one group supporting 'Yes' in a forthcoming referendum. 

Really struggling to understand the rhetoric of some people.   Westminster is broken Scotland rarely gets the government we vote for.   Independence is the only alternative.   The tories will cause further misery to Scotland we all know that.  Whilst I don't agree with everything the SNP do I am in favour of independence in the hope it comes then the best politicians from across the parties come together to form a government.  Or am I missing something?  

Tek wrote:

Pat.

They won one seat in Scotland.

In what possible way could Scottish Labour remaining neutral on Indy attract more failure?

They are literally dead in the water.

 

Having no policy on an important issue isn't a feasible option, surely? It's because the Tories appealed to the voter who wanted to 'Get Brexit Done' down south that they defeated the Labour party. Labour sat on the fence and had the biggest percentage negative vote slump of all parties in the UK. But the system has once again failed the majority, and not only in Scotland.

The Lib Dems actually had the UK's biggest positive increase of the parties, 4.2%, and of course they had a definite policy of deactivating Article 50. But they lost a seat.

As an aside, it takes the Lib Dems hundreds of thousands more votes than the other parties to secure a single seat.

2019 figures:
Tories needed 38,300 per seat;
Labour needed 50,700 per seat;
LibDem needed 334,122 per seat.

Had Corbyn and Swinson swallowed their pride, they together could have stopped Brexit simply on the bare figures of votes cast. A minority of voters in 2019 went for parties with a clear 'Leave' standpoint, and that, along with the 'needed per seat' figures, surely points to First Past The Post not being fit for purpose.

So yet again, Scotland is getting a government and a Brexit it didn't vote for, but plenty down south didn't vote for it either. In fact, the majority in 2019 didn't vote for the Tories or Brexit: unfortunately the media will not widely report on these stark facts.

B_Bombscare wrote:

Really struggling to understand the rhetoric of some people.   Westminster is broken Scotland rarely gets the government we vote for.   Independence is the only alternative.   The tories will cause further misery to Scotland we all know that.  Whilst I don't agree with everything the SNP do I am in favour of independence in the hope it comes then the best politicians from across the parties come together to form a government.  Or am I missing something?  

What we are missing is that we are being conned, B_B. The party with the most seats, in this case the Tories, isn't the majority party in terms of voters, yet the likes of Gove, as I pointed out earlier, is prepared to use figures in a limited manner to suit his agenda. But he and the Tories have won the game as set out the rules. 

Billy_Hainey wrote:

During the whole campaign, I never once heard bowfin Bo-Jo or any of his cohorts say 1 thing about the poor, poverty, disabled fowk, the under privileged, or phuck all else that matters. The fact that fowk voted for this, no other way oe saying it, phuckin idiot, and his band oe merry men, says a lot about their mentality.

Friday the 13th right enough. A phuckin catastrophe, with this freak show in office.
 

See, Billy, quite a lot of folk liked Boris Johnson, but hated Corbyn because he was a terrorist anti-semite, hated Swinson for her accent, hated Sturgeon because she's nippy. So no matter what way it had gone, people would have been displeased by the personalities (I realise you are criticising the party for their disdain of the poor).

I'm no different, was hoping to see Johnson and the slimy Gove slither away today into a bunker. But we possibly should rise above all that. I'm hoping that a legal approach can be made to ensure another referendum can take place on Scottish independence, and I'd like to think the 'divide and conquer' angle isn't continued by opponents, as seems to have occurred over the last few years: looking at the Conservatives again, they are sleekit enough to exploit the religious divide which is a blight on parts of the country. See my comments on Gove earlier today as a warning, and I'll leave you with this link: "Michael Gove happy to sing The Sash"
http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2019/06/11/news/michael-gove-has-long-held-orange-affiliation-1638896/?param=ds441rif44T  

kingdomarab wrote:

 
You could then make the same point about the SNP as the Conservatives as only 45% of Scots voted for the SNP. The unionist vote is divided and in an IndyRef2 I think I no vote is highly likely.

I made the same point at 8:59am this morning, kingdomarab.

PatReilly wrote:

Also, noting Gove this morning saying the SNP only got 45% of the vote in Scotland means that majority here want to stay in the UK. He's not applied that principle to the Tories and their mandate, as they got even less of the UK vote overall at 43.6%.
 

Not only the SNP are aiming for Independence, the Greens should be considered too, while various splinter groups within Labour, such as 'Labour for Independence' and 'Labour for Scottish Independence' are also supporters. Add in other Socialist groups. Then there are the non-political romanticists who would support a cause without a thought of Westminster or Holyrood. And organisations with specialist interest such as Women for Independence and Business for Scotland. 

Some appear to believe the SNP leadership is holding back moves to break links with Westminster.

Beharder wrote:

I think wee Niks reaction to Swinson losing her seat may hinder her in the future. Not very statesman like behaviour. She should have kept her get in right up you reaction to herself.

She was celebrating a huge SNP gain in a seat that was one by a young Lady who is a cancer survivor.

She had every right to celebrate and that it seems to have stuck in the craw of so many of her detractors is highly amusing.