Tekel Towers » Qots v dundee utd sat 11th aug

bowers · 12/8/2018 12:05 pm

Played very well first half but total opposite 2nd half a good win to get at a tough place to go

Billy_Hainey · 12/8/2018 8:14 pm

Just as bamboozled as everychunt else about the reported contrasts between the performance in the 1st and 2nd halfs. But yeah chuffed, over the moon we the result. Hopeful? Well mibbee a bit, but still dinna think Slabbers the man for the job, but love to be proved wrong. We'll ken in the next three or four weeks.

lifesanocean · 12/8/2018 8:45 pm

Billy_Hainey wrote:
Just as bamboozled as everychunt else about the reported contrasts between the performance in the 1st and 2nd halfs. But yeah chuffed, over the moon we the result. Hopeful? Well mibbee a bit, but still dinna think Slabbers the man for the job, but love to be proved wrong. We'll ken in the next three or four weeks.

It's because the fitness levels are shite because the training is garbage with no sprints or gym work (Csaba doesn't believe in this LOL), only one-paced middle distance aerobic runs. There's no explosiveness to anything they do. Keatings seemingly told him it was shite and said he wouldn't play for him again.The senior players said the same to him in a meeting and daftworks told them he was right and they were wrong.

Tek · 12/8/2018 8:53 pm

As much as i think Laszlo is fucking useless and i want him gone as soon as possible, who the fuck is Keatings to tell any cunt he isnae playing for them?

The supporters facilitate his (comfortable, i'm sure) lifestyle. And so far he hasn't kicked a fucking ball for us.

The players should go to the Chairman with their concerns if Csaba is blanking them.

But saying you won't play for the team? Mon ta fuck.

Beardy23 · 12/8/2018 9:19 pm

Good of Keatings to say he's no going to play for us, otherwise how would we know?

lifesanocean · 12/8/2018 9:30 pm

Maybe most of them are wary about running to the Chairman to slate the manager about a month after he signed them.

Beharder · 12/8/2018 9:37 pm

Im sure Shambles had the same training methods last year as this year.
Im sure all the players who signed this year would no what CL was all about.
His methods may not be to everyones taste especially players who are not startimg

Tek · 12/8/2018 9:48 pm

lifesanocean wrote:
Maybe most of them are wary about running to the Chairman to slate the manager about a month after he signed them.

I doubt it's the players he's just signed who are unhappy though. Or at the very least the one's who've voiced their opinions.

It'll be McMullan, Keatings, Scobbie, Murdoch etc , probably.

They could have a point btw. Because we so often fade in games and Laszlo brought in his own fitness guy.

But saying you are not playing for the club till he goes (if that's what's happened) is not the way to go about things from Keatings.

annanarab · 12/8/2018 10:58 pm

Don’t blame Keatings entirely. We as fans have identified Csaba as a numptie. I suspect that professional football players will have come to a similar conclusion. What do you do, do you just follow orders knowing they are wrong (send 3 and four pence we’re going to a dance) and that they could damage the club and careers or speak out and risk getting banished to the reserves or keep quiet and go through the motions until Csaba gets his jotters. In both cases United lose. As long as Martin blindly backs his manager and doesnt make any attempt to investigate/challenge failings (eg Teks observation about 2nd half collapses) there will be problems of this type

PatReilly · 13/8/2018 12:04 am

Alarming to read lifesanocean's revelations, and it's still a huge mistake from MM, in my view, to keep Csaba on. But it's happening, and we're stuck with it.

It just means I'll go to less matches if Csaba's going, and the same will apply to others.

japanarab · 13/8/2018 12:12 am

lifesanocean wrote:
Billy_Hainey wrote:
Just as bamboozled as everychunt else about the reported contrasts between the performance in the 1st and 2nd halfs. But yeah chuffed, over the moon we the result. Hopeful? Well mibbee a bit, but still dinna think Slabbers the man for the job, but love to be proved wrong. We'll ken in the next three or four weeks.
It's because the fitness levels are shite because the training is garbage with no sprints or gym work (Csaba doesn't believe in this LOL), only one-paced middle distance aerobic runs. There's no explosiveness to anything they do. Keatings seemingly told him it was shite and said he wouldn't play for him again.The senior players said the same to him in a meeting and daftworks told them he was right and they were wrong.

If he's so unimpressed with the training methods why doesn't he stay behind and do his own routine as he's obviously far better informed than the manager. Pretty sure Cristiano Ronaldo's conditioning is 100 percent down to his attitude and will to win rather than the fitness coach at various clubs. Sound like our team is full of average never beens who think they're better than they are. Getting sick of these rumors.

Finn Seemann · 13/8/2018 10:15 am

I've got to agree with Japan here. Here's a lad that apparently has had one good season in the Championship (and his team didn't want to take him up with them) and a couple of OK seasons at Hibs when he was fit to play. He's then had some mental health issues which are clearly not great and he has my sympathies there - however that doesn't excuse being a dressing room disruptor. However I don't see anything in his past that allows him to by the billy big baws and make posts like 'fit but not selected'. If he's that good surely an under pressure manager would be forced to play him. Also he played his part in the 6-1 defeat at Falkirk - he might have been carrying an injury for part of that game but it was (for one of our senior players) one of the least professional performances I've ever seen. He could only have hidden more if he'd crouched behind me at the back of the stand. United is far from perfect, but if your not one of us James, please leave. Csaba is on a stay of execution - it's not for the players to take over.

As for the 2nd half collapse, their manager said that our tactics took them by surprise but they changed to counter that and got back control of the game. So good on Csaba for gettting the tactics right from the start. Now he just needs to learn to adapt them when the other side have sussed things out...and get the team fitter!

Last edited by Finn Seemann (13/8/2018 10:21 am)

blackandtangerine · 13/8/2018 11:35 am

Finn Seemann wrote:
I've got to agree with Japan here. Here's a lad that apparently has had one good season in the Championship (and his team didn't want to take him up with them) and a couple of OK seasons at Hibs when he was fit to play. He's then had some mental health issues which are clearly not great and he has my sympathies there - however that doesn't excuse being a dressing room disruptor. However I don't see anything in his past that allows him to by the billy big baws and make posts like 'fit but not selected'. If he's that good surely an under pressure manager would be forced to play him. Also he played his part in the 6-1 defeat at Falkirk - he might have been carrying an injury for part of that game but it was (for one of our senior players) one of the least professional performances I've ever seen. He could only have hidden more if he'd crouched behind me at the back of the stand. United is far from perfect, but if your not one of us James, please leave. Csaba is on a stay of execution - it's not for the players to take over.

As for the 2nd half collapse, their manager said that our tactics took them by surprise but they changed to counter that and got back control of the game. So good on Csaba for gettting the tactics right from the start. Now he just needs to learn to adapt them when the other side have sussed things out...and get the team fitter!

Agree 100%

kdyteejay · 13/8/2018 4:52 pm

Finn Seemann wrote:
I've got to agree with Japan here. Here's a lad that apparently has had one good season in the Championship (and his team didn't want to take him up with them) and a couple of OK seasons at Hibs when he was fit to play. He's then had some mental health issues which are clearly not great and he has my sympathies there - however that doesn't excuse being a dressing room disruptor. However I don't see anything in his past that allows him to by the billy big baws and make posts like 'fit but not selected'. If he's that good surely an under pressure manager would be forced to play him. Also he played his part in the 6-1 defeat at Falkirk - he might have been carrying an injury for part of that game but it was (for one of our senior players) one of the least professional performances I've ever seen. He could only have hidden more if he'd crouched behind me at the back of the stand. United is far from perfect, but if your not one of us James, please leave. Csaba is on a stay of execution - it's not for the players to take over.

As for the 2nd half collapse, their manager said that our tactics took them by surprise but they changed to counter that and got back control of the game. So good on Csaba for gettting the tactics right from the start. Now he just needs to learn to adapt them when the other side have sussed things out...and get the team fitter!

Agreed.

RRDH · 13/8/2018 5:15 pm

where are we getting this Keatings information from? Havent seen anything on it. I know the manager might be a duffer but he can fuck RIGHT OFF if this is true.

Finn Seemann · 13/8/2018 5:23 pm

I'm just going on the tweet that would appear to be his on the topic of his fitness and not being selected. (Doubt he's said he wont play for CL again - unless it is the actually the other way about). The performance point is just my own eyes and having never seen him really make a difference that a player of his 'stature' should be making. I'd like him to knuckle down and be the player he apparently can be for us, but if his attitude is close to what it appears to be then he should go. Of course that's dependent on someone coming in for him....

MockChop · 13/8/2018 5:36 pm

I was told exactly that.

He told Laszlo he won’t play for him. He criticised his training & feels his ‘bespoke pre season’ has been mismanaged.

Negligence, was the word used.

MockChop · 13/8/2018 5:41 pm

He also thinks Laszlo has been lying saying no clubs are in for him. Keatings reckons 3 clubs have enquired.

Apparently called him a liar in front of the players. Came in one day & his training gear was moved.

Laszlo isn’t blameless but Keatings sounds like a pain in the arse. Was told he was like that at Hibs too.

TheShed · 13/8/2018 6:02 pm

If a player has said he won’t play for the manager then that would constitute breach of contract and we could just get rid surely.

Csaba is a clown and I’ve no doubt his training is crap, I have no problem with folk questioning their managers ways, however if the boss sticks to his ways it’s up to the player to accept it and get on with it.

Beardy23 · 13/8/2018 6:16 pm

so, keatings says 3 clubs have tapped him?

will he stand up in front of an SFA inquiry and repeat that?

TheShed · 13/8/2018 6:56 pm

wylie1 wrote:
TheShed wrote:
if the boss sticks to his ways it’s up to the player to accept it and get on with it.
Unless it is clearly screwing up the player's chances of career growth...

Then he hands in a transfer request.

Throwing a tantrum and refusing to play is hardly helping his career grow.

IF he has done that.

RRDH · 13/8/2018 7:16 pm

TheShed wrote:
wylie1 wrote:
TheShed wrote:
if the boss sticks to his ways it’s up to the player to accept it and get on with it.
Unless it is clearly screwing up the player's chances of career growth...

Then he hands in a transfer request.

Throwing a tantrum and refusing to play is hardly helping his career grow.

IF he has done that.

Exactly, if all that's true I'd have sympathy for him but he's going about it the wrong way and will upset the dressing room. I feel for him in some ways because it sounds like he's got some internal demons. You just wonder if he's got people around him telling him what he needs to hear or advising him in some way.

japanarab · 14/8/2018 12:17 am

Bespoke pre season? Imagine a Jim McLean dealing with this guy!!

Swing_kinker · 14/8/2018 12:57 am

TheShed wrote:
If a player has said he won’t play for the manager then that would constitute breach of contract and we could just get rid surely.

Csaba is a clown and I’ve no doubt his training is crap, I have no problem with folk questioning their managers ways, however if the boss sticks to his ways it’s up to the player to accept it and get on with it.

You've no doubt about training based on rumour but when players actively say training has been thorough and good like Stanton did you won't buy that? Probably a different view from each player too tbf

TheShed · 14/8/2018 7:43 am

Swing_kinker wrote:
TheShed wrote:
If a player has said he won’t play for the manager then that would constitute breach of contract and we could just get rid surely.

Csaba is a clown and I’ve no doubt his training is crap, I have no problem with folk questioning their managers ways, however if the boss sticks to his ways it’s up to the player to accept it and get on with it.

You've no doubt about training based on rumour but when players actively say training has been thorough and good like Stanton did you won't buy that? Probably a different view from each player too tbf

I’ve no doubt based on what I’ve seen with my own eyes and what I’ve heard from people I know who have also witnessed it.