Tekel Towers » Fraser

Ex Houston Arab · 06/12/2017 10:28 am

Will baldemort have learned his lesson or will his one weakness (temptation) come to the fore again
From BBC Gossip:

Wigan are keen on Dundee United midfielder Scott Fraser and could make a January offer for the 22-year-old, who is out of contract in the summer. (Daily Express, print edition)

Not sure how the boo boys are going to feel about this - will they be hoping we get rid of 'soft as shite' 'plays too much with his hair' Scotty or will they be hoping he stays and drives us to promotion.

I would question my motivation for turning up on Saturday if we sold him, that's for sure

bowers · 06/12/2017 11:24 am

with a large loan repayment due in the new year I can see Thompson cashing in on someone maybe 2 in January unless he gets another loan.

BigAndyFTD · 06/12/2017 3:24 pm

He’ll be awa.

This is the first real time since he broke inti the 1st team that he’s played in his favourite/best position and we’re seein now the talent that many coaches at United huv spoke aboot fir 2/3 years. The problem fir us is he should never oh been in the situation war his contract is expiring because we’ll no be able to compete with a club like Wigan and eh expect mare teams come January.

Why should the laddie want ti stiy and play in front oh fans that huv at times went way over the tap in their criticism of um, but now he’s playing where he should they think he will sign a new deal, Nay chance imo.

kdyteejay · 06/12/2017 5:04 pm

BigAndyFTD wrote:
He’ll be awa.

This is the first real time since he broke inti the 1st team that he’s played in his favourite/best position and we’re seein now the talent that many coaches at United huv spoke aboot fir 2/3 years. The problem fir us is he should never oh been in the situation war his contract is expiring because we’ll no be able to compete with a club like Wigan and eh expect mare teams come January.

Why should the laddie want ti stiy and play in front oh fans that huv at times went way over the tap in their criticism of um, but now he’s playing where he should they think he will sign a new deal, Nay chance imo.

My thoughts exactly.

Tek · 06/12/2017 5:14 pm

BigAndyFTD wrote:
He’ll be awa.

This is the first real time since he broke inti the 1st team that he’s played in his favourite/best position and we’re seein now the talent that many coaches at United huv spoke aboot fir 2/3 years. The problem fir us is he should never oh been in the situation war his contract is expiring because we’ll no be able to compete with a club like Wigan and eh expect mare teams come January.

Why should the laddie want ti stiy and play in front oh fans that huv at times went way over the tap in their criticism of um, but now he’s playing where he should they think he will sign a new deal, Nay chance imo.

Because he's not ready yet for first team football in England.

PatReilly · 06/12/2017 5:42 pm

Tek wrote:
BigAndyFTD wrote:
He’ll be awa.

This is the first real time since he broke inti the 1st team that he’s played in his favourite/best position and we’re seein now the talent that many coaches at United huv spoke aboot fir 2/3 years. The problem fir us is he should never oh been in the situation war his contract is expiring because we’ll no be able to compete with a club like Wigan and eh expect mare teams come January.

Why should the laddie want ti stiy and play in front oh fans that huv at times went way over the tap in their criticism of um, but now he’s playing where he should they think he will sign a new deal, Nay chance imo.
Because he's not ready yet for first team football in England.

At 22, he'll be ready for the wages on offer down south.

Ex Houston Arab · 06/12/2017 5:42 pm

Tek wrote:
BigAndyFTD wrote:
He’ll be awa.

This is the first real time since he broke inti the 1st team that he’s played in his favourite/best position and we’re seein now the talent that many coaches at United huv spoke aboot fir 2/3 years. The problem fir us is he should never oh been in the situation war his contract is expiring because we’ll no be able to compete with a club like Wigan and eh expect mare teams come January.

Why should the laddie want ti stiy and play in front oh fans that huv at times went way over the tap in their criticism of um, but now he’s playing where he should they think he will sign a new deal, Nay chance imo.
Because he's not ready yet for first team football in England.

Because he's not developed as he should have under us and has had multiple managers that were literally on the cusp of having him headed to the soccer scrap heap. Only recent changes have got him back on track. I doubt we could make a reasonable claim to having his development at heart or one that he would agree to based on the last couple of years.
He might see moving to a bigger organisation with more focus on coaching and training as a better alternative

06/12/2017 8:31 pm

Laddies career has been held back by injuries and he is finally showing some good things.

Suspect he'll want the money and cant blame him - also suspect he'll not cope with the physical side of things down there.

Given that Keatings and Smith are probably at their best in the same position and given what we know of our finances don't see the club standing in the way of a sensible offer.

Can't quite make up my own mind about him - if I thought we'd use the wage freed up and the fee (or some of it) to strengthen elsewhere ( say a good no.9) I'd be ok with him going

CCX2 2010 · 06/12/2017 9:50 pm

Most United fans I know have seen there's a player in there for years however nobody can deny that the lad in the past has been to easily brushed aside when on the ball.

He was part of the side that were relegated and nobody from that squad were exempt from getting a bit of stick.

Arabnophobia · 06/12/2017 11:01 pm

CCX2 2010 wrote:
Most United fans I know have seen there's a player in there for years however nobody can deny that the lad in the past has been to easily brushed aside when on the ball.

He was part of the side that were relegated and nobody from that squad were exempt from getting a bit of stick.

Fair point CCX2.

Ex Houston Arab · 06/12/2017 11:17 pm

Arabnophobia wrote:
CCX2 2010 wrote:
Most United fans I know have seen there's a player in there for years however nobody can deny that the lad in the past has been to easily brushed aside when on the ball.

He was part of the side that were relegated and nobody from that squad were exempt from getting a bit of stick.

Fair point CCX2.

I'd disagree - most of the complaints have been about his tracking back and defensive side of the game, not being brushed off the ball.
Also, while he shouldn't be absolved of criticism he was a junior member of the squad in his first proper full season but was the main focal point for abuse. Boys like rankin meanwhile were absolved because the ran about a lot and cried when we got relegated.
For what it's worth although I think his work rate has let him down in his development he never shys away from the ball tries to be a positive outlet and drives at the opposition with the ball. A lot of his more experienced colleagues hid from the ball the season we went down

Arabnophobia · 07/12/2017 12:36 am

Ex Houston Arab wrote:
Arabnophobia wrote:
CCX2 2010 wrote:
Most United fans I know have seen there's a player in there for years however nobody can deny that the lad in the past has been to easily brushed aside when on the ball.

He was part of the side that were relegated and nobody from that squad were exempt from getting a bit of stick.

Fair point CCX2.

I'd disagree - most of the complaints have been about his tracking back and defensive side of the game, not being brushed off the ball.
Also, while he shouldn't be absolved of criticism he was a junior member of the squad in his first proper full season but was the main focal point for abuse. Boys like rankin meanwhile were absolved because the ran about a lot and cried when we got relegated.
For what it's worth although I think his work rate has let him down in his development he never shys away from the ball tries to be a positive outlet and drives at the opposition with the ball. A lot of his more experienced colleagues hid from the ball the season we went down

No sure how you can disagree with that. Most complaints were not about his tracking back.

His online critisisms on here anyway I think were based on pussying out of challanges which added to playing with his hair in interviews and looking like a self inflated Utd lad on good money without doing the basics didn't help when he needed to nuckle down. Badly managed though.

Also think he has man'd up and proved himself to be up for a battte there despite his worries of getting injured again and added a more disciplined tactical approach and had instructions to carry out and carried them out to his benefit.

I stand by my reservations regarding his negatives and hope we can keep him as he's brushing off the concerns by proving himself recently.

Folk mind the opinion of the few online and quote as the support en mass. We are only a
315 member slice of 20 odd thousand fans and 20-40 regular posting opinions.

Mad isnae too different when you look at post rates despite the number of members.

Players should not read forums. Match day shouts are no different than they were during JYM's days.

Being brave comes with being successful and he hssn't been either. Having tactical play and following good tactics helps too.

Hope to fuck we keep him and get the eventual benefit.

Tek · 07/12/2017 12:46 am

I will be honest I ain't too bothered if Fraser leaves. I always think he's flattered to deceive a bit.

Only shows in flashes what he can do and doesn't score a enough at this level for a player of his reputed talent.

He is starting to take a game for us but still has a lot to learn and if as is rumoured he has no intention of sticking about then I am ok with selling him in January if money to get 2 or 3 players in is given to Csaba.

At the end of the day attacking Central midfield is the one position we actually have a bit of competition in (Stanton, Keatings, Fyvie).

Arabnophobia · 07/12/2017 12:50 am

Tek wrote:
I will be honest I ain't too bothered if Fraser leaves. I always think he's flattered to deceive a bit.

Only shows in flashes what he can do and doesn't score a enough at this level for a player of his reputed talent.

He is starting to take a game for us but still has a lot to learn and if as is rumoured he has no intention of sticking about then I am ok with selling him in January if money to get 2 or 3 players in is given to Csaba.

At the end of the day attacking Central midfield is the one position we actually have a bit of competition in (Stanton, Keatings, Fyvie).

He's been a game winner lately and a stand out but it all depends who we replace him with. Don't think we will best replace him with a current squad member.

RRDH · 07/12/2017 12:58 am

Tek wrote:
I will be honest I ain't too bothered if Fraser leaves. I always think he's flattered to deceive a bit.

Only shows in flashes what he can do and doesn't score a enough at this level for a player of his reputed talent.

He is starting to take a game for us but still has a lot to learn and if as is rumoured he has no intention of sticking about then I am ok with selling him in January if money to get 2 or 3 players in is given to Csaba.

At the end of the day attacking Central midfield is the one position we actually have a bit of competition in (Stanton, Keatings, Fyvie).

I'll have to disagree with this. Will be another case of not knowing what you have until it's gone. He's bags of ability and starting to really apply himself. He's also our best asset from a business standpoint at the moment. Sell him as a Championship side and no chance we get a proper return for him. Lets get up and then we'll see...

We've enough of this league, we need to go up at all fucking costs. Selling him now would not only impact our chances of doing that but send a terrible message throughout the club at a time when we're starting to see a bit of fucking positivity..

I remember a few folk werent all that bothered we let Stuart Armstrong go.

Edit, out of contract in the summer - still wouldnt do it.

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dufcrule · 07/12/2017 1:15 am

Really hope Fraser stays till the end of season as he's Utd's best player this season. Definitely won more points with Fraser in the team than out. Believe he'll be the difference whether or not Utd go up this season.

Find it hard to understand people saying they be wouldn't be bothered if he went in January??

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Tek · 07/12/2017 1:16 am

RRDH wrote:
I remember a few folk werent all that bothered we let Stuart Armstrong go.
.

I was.

A terrific player.

Don't get me wrong I would prefer Fraser stayed but if he goes I don't think it will be fatal to our title push.

We are fairly well covered in central midfield and his transfer money may allow us to get a physical striker, winger and fullback in.

Just playing Devils Advocate mate (pinched from Slateford).

Arabnophobia · 07/12/2017 1:24 am

dufcrule wrote:
Really hope Fraser stays till the end of season as he's Utd's best player this season. Definitely won more points with Fraser in the team than out. Believe he'll be the difference whether or not Utd go up this season.

Find it hard to understand people saying they be wouldn't be bothered if he went in January??

No sure any more than the folk backing their ain previous online opinions to be proved right would happily see him gone.

We've a different chat than StMurrn in the same respect as McGinn. Whoever goes out of the pair will have a huge influence on winning the league and going up.

January will be fkn awful or a saving grace.

lifesanocean · 07/12/2017 8:06 am

Morgan?

kiwiarab · 07/12/2017 8:12 am

"I remember a few folk werent all that bothered we let Stuart Armstrong go. "

Every united fan I know was gutted that day and still is.

Arabnophobia · 07/12/2017 9:59 am

lifesanocean wrote:
Morgan?

Aye, thats the lad I mean.

Lewis Morgan.

SlatefordArab · 07/12/2017 11:24 am

kiwiarab wrote:
"I remember a few folk werent all that bothered we let Stuart Armstrong go. "

Every united fan I know was gutted that day and still is.

Yep, he was the biggest miss out of all the players that were sold in that period.

I see a lot of Celtic fans are starting to turn against him now after some poor performances this season.

bowers · 07/12/2017 1:16 pm

I cant say i know any utd fan who wasnt gutted and or raging when Armstrong left.
Cant remeber if anyone on fan forums werent bothered but i do remember alor of rage regarding it.

annanarab · 07/12/2017 1:46 pm

From Frasers point of view I hope both Fraser and his advisors take the long term into view. It shouldn’t just be about short term gain. Somebody with his talent should be thinking about playing at a high level possibly EPL and the national team and whatever he does now should help him realise his potential. He needs regular game time, to be played in his best position and a coach manager who appreciates his strengths instead of focusing on his weaknesses.
He’s not really had that kind of deal at Tannadice til now and it may well be in his interests as well as ours to hang around for another season to enhance his reputation and get more and better offers and be in a better position to take advantage of them. Unfortunately for him and us, his agent will be needing him to move now. Think we have a cheek expecting a Dev Fee when we’ve done so little to bring him on

BigAndyFTD · 07/12/2017 2:15 pm

Eh dina get how people are saying they dina mind if he goes.

We huv nay**** in the current squad that will replace um, Keatings Stanton Smith McMullan King aren’t near as good as Fraser playing #10

And this chat of using the money ti bring in a big striker, wa ever the Big striker is will only be a backup player, Csaba hus said he prefers 1 upfront and to win midfield battles, we’ve been dane that the past few gems, Scott McDonald will be oor #1 striker , therefore ed rather we keep oor best player and continue how we’re playing.