Shocking record to have, absolutely not good enough!

Our next away game is against the Pars who have won all their home games so far this season...

Don't see this changing anytime soon unfortunately. Hopefully I'm proved wrong!

smedDUm wrote:

Ex Houston Arab wrote:

Not including playoffs
Both pishy 1-0 efforts
One against the mighty Ayr and the other against ICT

McNamara-esque effort from 'the cardigan'
Probably haven't played the same team consecutively either in that period.

Attacking his dress sense now?
A cardi's quite eloquent I think.
As it gets colder tho he'll need something warmer.
Maybe our performances will warm up too.
 

 
Wasn't attacking, merely Observing he likes a cardigan.
I think you mean elegant not eloquent.

Nice to see that is your main takeaway though and not his shocking away record.

Yeah sorry EHA, I'll let you off with observing, not attacking. Maybe a wee snider tho...?
And I couldn't wait til I got in to work this morning to correct my vocabulary, hit me like a battleaxe whilst waiting at the lights. Elegant or sartorial but defo not eloquent.
General point tho, we're not where we expected to be after one third of the first half of the season, game 6 out of 18. After a further 12 games (Dec 23) there will be a decision to be made. I don't think 'the cardigan' needs told that. I hope that he stays then cos it'll mean that we've got a whole lot better.

2017.....we have won 7 games out of 23 (excluding play offs and cup). 
In that time we've won by more than ONE goal ONCE. 
And goal difference in same period is minus 5.With the 2nd biggest league budget last season and the biggest this season.

smedDUm wrote:

Yeah sorry EHA, I'll let you off with observing, not attacking. Maybe a wee snider tho...?
And I couldn't wait til I got in to work this morning to correct my vocabulary, hit me like a battleaxe whilst waiting at the lights. Elegant or sartorial but defo not eloquent.
General point tho, we're not where we expected to be after one third of the first half of the season, game 6 out of 18. After a further 12 games (Dec 23) there will be a decision to be made. I don't think 'the cardigan' needs told that. I hope that he stays then cos it'll mean that we've got a whole lot better.

 
The reason i highlighted your  grammatical error was to demonstrate how focusing on something irrelevant rather than addressing the point of the post can be somewhat frustrating.
With regards to your point, I'm not where I'd hope to be after over a year of ray in charge.
We play turgid stuff. There is no attempt to attack. This is not good enough for the big team in the league.
What do you see based on his record or on recent form that gives you hope things will turn?
Even if no team pulls away, end of December could be a tall order for a new incumbent to get us promoted.

Another question, how do you think ray would do in the prem if he got us promoted?

Ex Houston Arab wrote:

smedDUm wrote:

Yeah sorry EHA, I'll let you off with observing, not attacking. Maybe a wee snider tho...?
And I couldn't wait til I got in to work this morning to correct my vocabulary, hit me like a battleaxe whilst waiting at the lights. Elegant or sartorial but defo not eloquent.
General point tho, we're not where we expected to be after one third of the first half of the season, game 6 out of 18. After a further 12 games (Dec 23) there will be a decision to be made. I don't think 'the cardigan' needs told that. I hope that he stays then cos it'll mean that we've got a whole lot better.

 
The reason i highlighted your grammatical error was to demonstrate how focusing on something irrelevant rather than addressing the point of the post can be somewhat frustrating.
With regards to your point, I'm not where I'd hope to be after over a year of ray in charge.
We play turgid stuff. There is no attempt to attack. This is not good enough for the big team in the league.
What do you see based on his record or on recent form that gives you hope things will turn?
Even if no team pulls away, end of December could be a tall order for a new incumbent to get us promoted.

Another question, how do you think ray would do in the prem if he got us promoted?

I guess I'm just a cock-eyed optimist EHA....

Question back at you then. What makes you think a replacement manager/head coach will do anything?
I give you JM, MP & RM. The majority of our support were chuffed with all 3 appointments, don't deny it. BUT if our club had known how the newly-appointed manager/head coach was going to fare, if they'd had a crystal ball, they would NOT have appointed 13 of the last 15 since JYM. Frying pans & fires & all that - getting rid of RM for ?? would be tantamount to getting rid of JM for MP. Looking back we might have fared better had we kept JM after McDiarmid tho admittedly his position had been compromised cos of contract leak.
 

smedDUm wrote:

Ex Houston Arab wrote:

smedDUm wrote:

Yeah sorry EHA, I'll let you off with observing, not attacking. Maybe a wee snider tho...?
And I couldn't wait til I got in to work this morning to correct my vocabulary, hit me like a battleaxe whilst waiting at the lights. Elegant or sartorial but defo not eloquent.
General point tho, we're not where we expected to be after one third of the first half of the season, game 6 out of 18. After a further 12 games (Dec 23) there will be a decision to be made. I don't think 'the cardigan' needs told that. I hope that he stays then cos it'll mean that we've got a whole lot better.

 
The reason i highlighted your grammatical error was to demonstrate how focusing on something irrelevant rather than addressing the point of the post can be somewhat frustrating.
With regards to your point, I'm not where I'd hope to be after over a year of ray in charge.
We play turgid stuff. There is no attempt to attack. This is not good enough for the big team in the league.
What do you see based on his record or on recent form that gives you hope things will turn?
Even if no team pulls away, end of December could be a tall order for a new incumbent to get us promoted.

Another question, how do you think ray would do in the prem if he got us promoted?

I guess I'm just a cock-eyed optimist EHA....

Question back at you then. What makes you think a replacement manager/head coach will do anything?
I give you JM, MP & RM. The majority of our support were chuffed with all 3 appointments, don't deny it. BUT if our club had known how the newly-appointed manager/head coach was going to fare, if they'd had a crystal ball, they would NOT have appointed 13 of the last 15 since JYM. Frying pans & fires & all that - getting rid of RM for ?? would be tantamount to getting rid of JM for MP. Looking back we might have fared better had we kept JM after McDiarmid tho admittedly his position had been compromised cos of contract leak.
 

 
Nothing wrong with optimism.
I thought we were nailed on for promotion this year and was as optimistic as I allowed myself to be in a long while.
What has followed has been a nasty realisation that the manager is too negative and doesn't try to win games - just not lose them.
You must move in different circles from me as honestly, the people I talk to thought it was the cheap option every time.
For JM - it should have been Derek McInnes
Mixu - Tommy Wright
Ray - fuck knows but not happy with ex players, but we'll give him a chance.
They were genuinely non hindsight opinions going around the folk I go to the games with.
As it stands - I don't know who I'd get in just now. I want someone with a winners mentality that plays attacking football and has the team well organised.

JerryDungle wrote:

smedDUm wrote:

Yeah sorry EHA, I'll let you off with observing, not attacking. Maybe a wee snider tho...?
And I couldn't wait til I got in to work this morning to correct my vocabulary, hit me like a battleaxe whilst waiting at the lights. Elegant or sartorial but defo not eloquent.
General point tho, we're not where we expected to be after one third of the first half of the season, game 6 out of 18. After a further 12 games (Dec 23) there will be a decision to be made. I don't think 'the cardigan' needs told that. I hope that he stays then cos it'll mean that we've got a whole lot better.

 
Why do you insist that he gets till Christmas though? He's not improved whatsoever in his 15 months in charge, what makes you think he'll change so drastically in the next 3?

The definition of insanity is to keep trying the same thing over and over, and expecting different results. What's the point in waiting till December when we know Raymond's not gonna get us any close to winning the league by then? Why not make the change now and give the new manager time to get us up to where we need to be?

FWIW, I have no personal agenda against Ray, he seems like a decent enough guy, if a bit dour. The only problem I have with him is that he's not doing an acceptable job of managing Dundee United.

How can you say the new guy is going to turn round our fortunes?  We do have a history of appointing managers who turn out to be duds. The Fun are worse by the way. It's a MASSIVE gamble. Someone like Jon Daly might turn out to be Sir Alex tho there's more chance he'd be a Craig Brewster (sorry Craig).
 

I was delighted when we signed RM as he was doing a great job with Raith. However I cannot now see him able to turn things around as I fear he has lost the dressing room. I think we need to get rid now so a proper job can be done to evaluate potential replacements. I would also put e.g. Scott McDonald in charge whilst we get a replacement manager. IMHO of course.

kdyteejay wrote:

I was delighted when we signed RM as he was doing a great job with Raith. However I cannot now see him able to turn things around as I fear he has lost the dressing room. I think we need to get rid now so a proper job can be done to evaluate potential replacements. I would also put e.g. Scott McDonald in charge whilst we get a replacement manager. IMHO of course.

Would Scott McDonald not be more of a problem than a solution?