Tek wrote:

Going back to my post.

What exactly is Dundee City Councils involvement in any new stadia?

Are they mooted to be part funding it?

Must be imo if they want Utd using it too to maximise revenue streams from it.

I don't like the sounds of all this btw.

 

Their discussions will have been with DCC planning department when shaping their plans to suss what their commitments might entail.

DCC are not intending to fund a private enterprise, there's no benefit to the public purse and no funds allocated in the capital planning foward spend.......they have enough on their plate at Caird Park which remember DFC bailed on them on.

They Yanks will need their own funding and £2 don't go far.

The United question is mischief making by Nelms, probably was actually asked by a planner in discussions but being made out by Dee C Thomson to be bigger and more important.
It was possibly a worried Dee who posed the comment?

Mr Nelms also states that DUFC will only be involved on "their terms"  ...........feck that, we'll be held to ransom.

Tek wrote:

The whole affair is convuluted further when you remember that Dundee and Nelms don't actually own Dens Park.

John Bennett does.

So any potential funding of any new Stadia would have to be funded outwith the sale of Dens.

I can't see how they could possibly fund it without the financial support of both United and DCC.

My worry is that Thompson see's the potential sale of Tannadice as his only 'out'.His only way to pay off the debts and (more importantly) recoup some of his inheritance that he seems to think him and Justine are due.They will never afterall sell their shares for what they seem to think they're worth.

Now Tesco,Sainsbury's or Morrisons probably wouldn't consider buying Dens and building there as the land is too small to build a supermarket and adjacent car park.

If the land to both Dens and Tannadice are sold however...

I can't help but feeling (as Bennison alluded too above) that something's been 'brewing' behind the scenes for awhile.

But then again maybe I'm jumping the gun.

Still, would be nice for Utd to come out and dismiss this 'offer' out of hand and reassure the support our future lies at Tannadice regardless of where Dundee FC play.

 

Agreed.

Not sure if there is a desire also by the supermarkets to go into this location either, bigger better locations in town and possible market place saturation as it is.

The Norco across from Dens is a long time gone and could have been snapped up if the big players saw a market opportunity in this area.

A statement from our Chairman would have been nice .....but he's very quiet this week and not making any headlines 

I'm sure Aldi or Lidl would be happy with the Dens land area.

Billy_Hainey wrote:

tangerine terror wrote:

I'm sure Aldi or Lidl would be happy with the Dens land area.

Of coorse tt. Dens includes it's own supply of trolleys.
 

All that's been done is a scoping report and passed to the council.

As said above building a new stadium when we have two dated ones, led to the United playing there question, no more no less, Nelms has twisted it to sound like it's in the pipeline.

Anyone tried to negotiate Fountainbleau Drive/Forfar Road/Morrisons junction at peak times? It's a real hoot, The Scottish Office? refused permission to the developers to build flyovers, junctions etc off the trunk road network for that, that's why it remained roughly the same but they changed it from a circle to a traffic light controlled junction and made the entrance off Fountainbleau.

Anyone tried accessing that retail park when the pictures are coming out when there's ice hockey on?

Why not chuck 8,000 football fans and associated traffic into the mix?

And have any of you put your names down for any of the rumoured houses that will be up for grabs on the same site?

Perhaps we could share Tannadice and they could help pay for some renovations.

SlatefordArab wrote:

Tek wrote:

The whole affair is convuluted further when you remember that Dundee and Nelms don't actually own Dens Park.

John Bennett does.

So any potential funding of any new Stadia would have to be funded outwith the sale of Dens.

I can't see how they could possibly fund it without the financial support of both United and DCC.

My worry is that Thompson see's the potential sale of Tannadice as his only 'out'.His only way to pay off the debts and (more importantly) recoup some of his inheritance that he seems to think him and Justine are due.They will never afterall sell their shares for what they seem to think they're worth.

Now Tesco,Sainsbury's or Morrisons probably wouldn't consider buying Dens and building there as the land is too small to build a supermarket and adjacent car park.

If the land to both Dens and Tannadice are sold however...

I can't help but feeling (as Bennison alluded too above) that something's been 'brewing' behind the scenes for awhile.

But then again maybe I'm jumping the gun.

Still, would be nice for Utd to come out and dismiss this 'offer' out of hand and reassure the support our future lies at Tannadice regardless of where Dundee FC play.

Aye that's why I mentioned the cooncil initially, couldn't see any way that they wouldn't be involved in this somehow, but Tangerine'n'Black seems to know his stuff here and certainly appears that they aren't involved.

I'm sure I read somewhere that the land Dense is built on is toxic or something making it virtually worthless?

There's been a long standing suggestion that ground conditions in and around Dens are not good and if true, remediation costs could be substantial and would devalue the ground for whatever purpose intended.

A statement from our Chairman would be nice but with his track record on u turns a denial statement from him is more likely to give us all the fear.......think Armstrong and GMS!

DCC will have a vested interest in what's going on here and in surrounds of development so may see a smaller opportunity in conjunction with plan i.e. in Camperdown or road infrastructure leading in.

David Blunketts on ball that Volume of traffic will be a major hurdle to them also and currently indicated access and egress on the plan is a non starter straight out onto Dundee's main arterial route at a single T junction.

Given that this has not been allowed on any other major development along the length of the Kingsway it seems unlikely to be allowed here.....traffic delays on event days would bring the Kingsway to a standstill.
Alternatives to improve this are major obstacles and cost.

 

Can see the American's plans.

1. Buy over a large piece of land in Dundee
2. Promote it, labelling dens as "19th century product" and too old to re-develop
3. Have planning permission granted for stadium and training pitches
4. Have both clubs as tennants
5. Sell stadium rights for £££
6. Use as a multi-functional stadium for sports, concerts etc
7. Sell their stake in Dundee
8. Buy up other land/property in Dundee.

Tim Keyes and his old man made money in property, they coulc not give 2 shits about "soccer". Dees fail to see this but these yanks are not to be trusted.

Arab87 wrote:

Can see the American's plans.

1. Buy over a large piece of land in Dundee
2. Promote it, labelling dens as "19th century product" and too old to re-develop
3. Have planning permission granted for stadium and training pitches
4. Have both clubs as tennants
5. Sell stadium rights for £££
6. Use as a multi-functional stadium for sports, concerts etc
7. Sell their stake in Dundee
8. Buy up other land/property in Dundee.

Tim Keyes and his old man made money in property, they coulc not give 2 shits about "soccer". Dees fail to see this but these yanks are not to be trusted.

 
Looks to me the problem with that plan is the New stadium is going to cost X number of million. How long would it take to either recoup the outlay or who would buy it so they make a profit?  The numbers just don't add up.

http://democracy.york.gov.uk/documents/s19763/Annex%205%20Community%20Stadium.pdf

Another online bit of reading ....many options, all north of £1000 a seat !

It would benefit nelms and his holdings firm To get many on board as possible to help fund it. Whilst recouping over the years from rent to the fun and for any other thing they can hold at it concerts etc maybe?
We better go nowhere near renting it i would imagine that being the end for alot of utd fans.

Interestingly enough Keynes and Nelms need the funsters (through their society) to agree any change to where they play their home games - bad news of course is that gives them good reason to keep any proposal to share (as opposed to hints at a tenancy) quiet.

If the Dundee United Supporters Foundation are putting money into the club they might want to insist on a similar clause.

Am sure our chairman wouldn't mind...

Last edited by scarpia (24/8/2017 12:56 pm)

Think folk are also forgetting that the Dees have a long lease with Benet on Dens and they would have buy themselves out of that, more cash spent for no return....