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28/1/2020 10:54 am  #2101


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Album 561

New Order.........................................Low-Life   (1985}











Expanding on the new-wave mastered on previous album ‘Power, Corruption & Lies’, here each song is trying to outdo the last in terms of creativity as the group dabble with house, rock, and beyond. ‘Love Vigilantes’ is a folk-tinged wonder, ‘The Perfect Kiss’ is one of their pop highlights and ‘Elegia’ is an experimental masterpiece – this album will not sit still and will not be pigeon-holed.



Graphic designer, Peter Saville said:

The only sleeve with the band on it. I was at an impasse at the time – there was nothing conceptual I wanted to put forward – the unexpected thing to do was a photo of New Order, which for the band was beyond the pale: they didn’t even want to do a press shoot. They were photographed individually, so no one felt self-conscious, and we used a Polaroid film so they could see the pictures. As soon we got one they liked, we stopped. The tradition was that you would put the singer on the front, but I wanted the strongest image on the front and that was of Stephen, the drummer. Later, I found out that they never really believed those photos would end up on the cover. The next time I saw them, at a gig, they said, ‘You bastard.’ I don’t think they liked the sleeve. This was the nature of the relationship.



Will try and get "Psychocandy" done late tonight or early morning, dependant on what time I get in.
 


I don't know a lot, but I know what I like!
 

31/1/2020 12:21 pm  #2102


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Album 560.
The Jesus And Mary Chain...............................Psychocandy   (1985)











This album was one weird listen for me, the reason I've taken so long to post about is I couldn't get past the first 3 or 4 tracks without turning it off as I found it pretty painful on the old lugs. This went on night after night and I couldn't post without listening to the whole album, I did think there was good songs in there but the distortion/feedback/fuckin' noise/rammy that accompanied it was deffo not for me.


Now, I'd never listened to TJaMC before but I wasn't expecting that, could it just be me, that I hadn't listened to this genre before, and as they were seemingly the originators of Shoegaze (another term I hadn't come across before) and this style and should I persevere?


Well I did for another couple of nights and still couldn't finish the album, then the weirdest thing happened, my other halfs favourite saying is " I think (pick any area in the house) can do with a freshen up" there and then I know it's a "fait accompli" as usually she's already bought the paints and brushes/rollers but stashed them out of sight so she can pick her moment.


So I started pentin' the walls on the stairs (I'm sure they are a lot narrower these days with the ammount of coats she's made me put on them over the years) but that's when I had a bit of an epiphany moment, I thought might as well listen to some music while I'm at it, so decided to put this album on, fuck me what a revelation, now I don't know if I was in a different frame of mind, or because I was working away and not totally concentrated on the album, but I ended up playing it all the way through, not just once but several times on the trot.


I mentioned this to a mate down the pub, and he said he had a similar experience with a band called My Bloody Valentine, he said he listened to them through his earphones and couldn't hack more than a few tracks, but when he played it (without earphones) while working in his garage he ended up loving them, a strange phenomenon!


Anyways, what's the bottomline here, for me it's never listen to this band while sitting on your erse, but if I've got some work to do, slap this album on and enjoy, a cautionary note to self never listen through earphones, eventually I did enjoy this album but not enough to purchase it.


This album wont be going into my collection, but it will be getting downloaded as "her who must be obeyed" wont be finished setting me tasks any time soon.


BTW, loved the album cover, so iconic.





Bits & Bobs;
Brown Acid Black Leather: The Story Of The Jesus And Mary Chain's Psychocandy



Julian Marszalek , November 8th, 2011 06:49


Jim Reid and Douglas Hart give Julian Marszalek the low down on the making of one of the best rock albums of the 1980s, Psychocandy

The tension in the packed venue was not only palpable but also worrying. The date was September 9, 1985 and the Jesus And Mary Chain were scheduled to headline Camden’s Electric Ballroom, a date that was to be the culmination of a year of riots, violence and notoriously short sets that had been left in the band’s shambolic yet thrilling wake. That trouble was going to erupt was a given. With the release of Psycho!candy still two months away, the band’s music had only been tentatively revealed via a number of incendiary singles, most notably 1984’s ‘Upside Down’ and its follow-up, ‘Never Understand’. Swathed in feedback and all-out sonic terror, the noise that fuelled the singles somehow managed to compliment the melodies that lay at their heart.


 As a live band, the Jesus And Mary Chain had garnered a reputation for frustratingly compact shows that were high on belligerence and low on musical competence. The riot that accompanied their gig at North London Polytechnic in March of that year did much to seal their reputation as the enfants terribles of the British rock scene and the threat, or rather the promise of ructions at their gigs, did much to make sure that their music became a secondary concern in favour of increasingly violent and terrifying concerts.


 Arriving over an hour late at the Electric Ballroom, a drunken Jesus And Mary Chain played a 15-minute set of indeterminate white noise hampered by a faulty PA that added to painful din emanating from the stage. Having staggered from the stage, it wasn’t long before cans, glasses and bottles began to rain down upon the stage. At one point the lighting rig found itself loosened from its moorings as it hung ominously over a section of the audience towards the front of the venue. Soon, the stage had been mounted with disgruntled and drunken members of the audience smashing up the band’s equipment.



“My overriding memory is of this guy standing on stage waving part of the lighting rig around,” recalls Quietus scribe Steve Jelbert. “It was simultaneously memorable and unmemorable. If you listen to a tape of it, the most interesting part of it is the riot because the music sounded fucking terrible.”

 Unlike the well-organised and generally well-behaved gigs of the 21st century, concert going in the early 1980s were frequently fraught affairs. With tribalism at its height, punch-ups were a regular occurrence but there had been nothing like the mess that the Mary Chain had left behind. With their reputation preceding them, the Electric Ballroom was always going to end in tears but no one could have predicted just how violent this gig was going to be. Indeed, this writer, though a fan of the singles that had been released during the previous year, went with the intention of witnessing the trouble that was going to happen but didn’t expect anything quite on this scale. In addition the curious observers and voyeurs milling around the Electric Ballroom was a heavy contingent of squatters, people who’d dropped out of mainstream society in the wake of punk rock as well as some faces more at home fighting on football terraces rather than a gig.


 “It was great standing there knowing it was going to go off,” continues Jelbert. “I’d seen them before at the ICA and that really did stink; they were totally clueless. The atmosphere at the Electric Ballroom was very odd and I felt that it was almost like a pantomime riot; if there had been custard pies then they would have been thrown at the stage. People wanted to kick off because no one really knew the Mary Chain’s music. They came out late and there was this really horrible humming noise coming out through the PA all the way through which went over the racket the band was making.”


 Adding to the melee were members of the Metropolitan Police who came running into the venue as the violence increased in its intensity and with them came the realisation that things had come to a serious head. This was no longer the kind of event that generated column inches in the music press used to create a mythology around the band but a descent into darkness and uncontrollable chaos. Something had to give.


 “That was the end of that period and it had stopped being funny,” bassist Douglas Hart tells The Quietus. “[Band manager] Alan McGee had sorted out body guards for that gig but I remember that on the second date of that tour, one of them got knocked out with a scaffolding pole and he quit because he couldn’t handle the heaviness of it all. And I think he’d been ex-SAS and had been one of the guys who’d gone through the window at the Iranian embassy. He was like, ‘No amount of money can make me put up with this.’”


 It wasn’t until the release of Psychocandy in November 1985 that the Jesus And Mary Chain’s musical objective came gloriously into view. The hype, hoopla and carnage generated by both the band and manager Alan McGee obscured the fact that they were not only radical sonic visionaries but masterful songwriters capable of creating a classic debut album that not only captured the mood of the age but would also stand the test time while creating a new template for rock & roll.


 Politically and culturally, 1985 was a watershed year. After nearly 12 months, the miner’s strike collapsed in March. Bitterly divisive, the defeat of the NUM by Margaret Thatcher’s government was an event whose ramifications are felt to this very day. The violence that had marred the dispute slipped into other sections of society. Brixton and Tottenham in London and Toxteth in Liverpool were engulfed in riots within a week of each other in the autumn. Earlier in May, pre-match rioting between Liverpool and Juventus fans resulted in the tragic deaths of 39 Italian football fans when they were crushed to death at the Heysel Stadium in Brussels, an event that was broadcast live on TV.


 The pop landscape of 1985 had become increasingly grim. Daytime radio was fronted by any number of goons more concerned with their own increasing fame than the music they played and pop itself was becoming increasingly sterile. No longer a haven for outsiders and misfits, pop did its best to play safe as it increasingly relied on the promotional video becoming an end in itself. Smack in the middle of all this was Live Aid. As a genuinely altruistic event, Live Aid and its preceding single ‘Do They Know It’s Christmas’ by Band Aid, can’t be faulted. An incredible event, it was watched by a global audience of some 1.5 billion people and raised in the region of £40m for the starving of Ethiopia. At the centre if it was Bob Geldof. Though his own pop career with The Boomtown Rats had come to an end, Geldof’s Herculean efforts to do the job that governments had failed to do did much to alleviate the suffering of millions.


 Despite Geldof’s protestations, as a cultural event Live Aid was a stinker with huge implications for pop music. Suddenly, bands that should have been out to pasture – indeed, many of them had been – were now welcomed back with open arms, mainly by people for whom pop was little more than light entertainment. Millionaire hippies were back while others such as Queen and Status Quo who’d made money from African suffering by breaking the cultural embargo on South Africa and playing the segregated environs of Sun City were now supposed to be helping starving Africans. Their record sales were boosted as a result and none, if any, of the revenues generated made it to the starving millions. Disgracefully, the London leg featured just one black act in the shape of Sade and the whiff of self-satisfaction – witness Phil Collins jumping on to a Concorde so he could play on both sides of the Atlantic – was overbearing.


 “I was very suspicious of the whole thing at the time and I still am,” Mary Chain vocalist Jim Reid tells The Quietus. “If money came out of it that went to the right people then so be it but I think a lot of people did it for the wrong reasons.



 “It did create a change in people’s perceptions of what a pop could be and then it seemed alright to be an iconic figure. A lot of those bands became something that went from being a dinosaur to being iconic and a lot of people did it to sell records.


 “I remember at the time, I knew people who worked at the Virgin Megastore who’d say things like Simple Minds’ albums were selling five times the amount they were the week before and you were thinking, ‘Well, are they going to send that extra money to the starving millions? How can they live with that?’”


 “I remember the Live Aid thing,” adds Douglas. “We thought that punk had shaken things up; we really believed in that and we couldn’t believe it when we met people who said they were going to go to Live Aid and we’d be thinking, ‘What the fuck?’ I suppose we then tried to compete on their terms and it made us work harder. We figured that if you’d get kids listening to that kind of shit then you’d get kids hearing us. It made us more determined to be bigger.”

 For a generation that was too young to appreciate punk on its first outing but had grown up on pop charts that regularly featured outsiders, seemingly sexual deviants and the kind of acts that would have parents frothing at the mouth during Thursday night’s airing of Top Of The Pops, the Jesus And Mary Chain were a godsend. Combining the sonic fury and melodicism of The Velvet Underground – a band whose resurgence in popularity during the early 1980s cannot be overstated – and the sensibilities of pop at its most classic with a surliness that suggested that anyone could do this, JAMC’s seismic arrival in pop’s barren wasteland couldn’t come quick enough. Indeed, it was precisely this kind of vacuum that galvanised Jim and William Reid into action.


 “Music of that period pretty much appalled us,” says Reid as he recalls the motivating factors behind the formation of the band. “A lot of people talk about the things that we were into that caused us to form a band but it was as much the bands that we detested that caused it too.


 “I remember the NME going gaga about Kid Creole & the Coconuts and we thought, 'Fuck this!' That just didn’t make sense in the pages of the NME. I wouldn’t say that was the turning point but round about then there seemed to be so much garbage and we thought, 'Fuck it, there’s no one making the kind of music that I wanna buy so let’s go out and do it and make a band.'”


 Jim and guitarist brother William Reid were raised in the East Kilbride of the 1960s and 70s, one of the 14 New Towns built after the Second World War to help alleviate the problems of post-war inner city overcrowding. Though portrayed in books and TV as places of awful alienation, Jim’s early memories of his hometown aren’t as bleak as they’ve been subsequently made out to be though its isolation from the centre of the pop universe proved to be another catalyst in forming the band.


 “I’ve probably given East Kilbride a bad rap over the years,” he admits. “Basically, it wasn’t a bad place to grow up but it was maybe on the boring side. If you were into music, you couldn’t help but feel that the other side of the world was where it was all happening. We kinda read about punk through the NME and it seemed so remote to us; we bought the records but they seemed as if they were from another planet or something. It wasn’t a bad place but it wasn’t at the centre of things and that’s where we wanted to be. It was all right if you liked Rambo or Stock, Aitken and Waterman was your taste in music.”


 Though subsequent accounts of the band’s origins paint the brothers as a pair of wastrels zombified by hours of watching too much TV, the siblings had made previous attempts of moving to England’s capital with a view to starting a band though with little success.


 “Me and William had tried together and separately tried to move to London unsuccessfully,” he reveals. “We kinda went down there for a few months but we couldn’t get it together and ended up back in East Kilbride.”Famously given a Portastudio by their father who’d spent his redundancy money on it, the Reid brothers set about recording a series of demos in their bedroom. But, as Jim reveals, the classic Jesus and Mary Chain sound came about more through accident than design.


 “To be honest with you it was kind of a make-do sound,” he admits. “We were recording four-track demos in our bedroom. It wasn’t ideal and I think we had more of an orchestrated sound and there’s only so much you can do with a four-track, a guitar and a foot pedal in a bedroom and that was kind of it. We thought it would be enough to get people’s interest but it was a sketch of what we had in mind.”


 Finding kindred spirits in the provincial surroundings of East Kilbride was to prove problematic and it wasn’t until the appearance of bassist Douglas Hart that things began to take shape. Four years younger than Jim Reid, Hart shared the same taste in pop culture as the Reid brothers and despite a lack of musical proficiency, the trio soon bonded to form the nucleus of the Mary Chain.


 “I used to hand around with Jim and we kind of started a band,” recalls Hart. “William was around and had his own songs but they were living in a fucking tiny bedroom and fighting all the time. So me and Jim did this thing where we did two of Jim’s songs but at this stage not much was happening.”


 Though the core of the band had formed, the Reids and Hart, in common with many bands at the formation stage, still had the problem of finding a drummer.


 “We befriended Douglas Hart years early simply because there weren’t that many people in East Kilbride that were into the music or literature or movies that we were,” continues Jim. “It seemed that everyone was moving in the same direction and the people that moved in the opposite direction were easy to spot. There weren’t many of them. There were me and William and Douglas but we couldn’t get a drummer. We had Murray Dalglish and he was OK but he was just a kid and he wasn’t really like us and it was never going to work.



 With the initial line-up in place and a rough sonic blueprint in place, they set about attempting to get some kind of rehearsal into place in order to work on their sound. However, this being the Mary Chain, a band built on tension and antagonism, their rehearsals offered a prescient glimpse of what was to come.



 “We used to rehearse in a community centre and on Tuesday nights it’d be old ladies playing bingo and the following night the Jesus And Mary Chain would go in and rehearse,” laughs Jim. “It was about half a mile away from where we lived and we needed to get the guitars and amps down there. We stuck castors on the bottom of the amps and we’d wheel this stuff half a fucking mile with guitars piled on top. People would look out of their windows and see these skinny guys with sunglasses on pushing all this fucking stuff down the road. And we’d get there and argue for half an hour and then go home.”


 Having then recorded a set of demos on their Portastudio, the nascent rock group set about conquering their next challenge: playing a gig and attempting to attract record company interest. As was common, the Mary Chain’s pleas for gigs in Glasgow went unnoticed much to the band’s extreme displeasure.



 “We couldn’t get a gig in Glasgow. Nobody would give us the time of day,” explains Jim. “At the time in Glasgow there was an incestuous music scene that we were no part of; it was very difficult to get a foot in the door. They all wanted kind of white soul boy bands and we didn’t sound like that so no one would give us a gig. We were getting despondent about the whole thing and the McGee thing happened at the right time because I don’t know how much longer we could’ve kept going in the face of such a lack of enthusiasm.”


 The “McGee thing” – an all-important gig at the Creation Records club night at the Roebuck pub on London’s Tottenham Court Road - was crucial to the development of JAMC and vital to setting this event up was Bobby Gillespie. Gillespie’s part in their rise is essential for it was he that first spotted their potential when given a copy of their demo tape from a Glasgow promoter who declined to put them on.



 “We tried to get this gig in Glasgow and gave this guy a tape,” says Douglas Hart as he takes up the story. “We couldn’t even afford a new tape so the other side of this demo was a Syd Barrett compilation that we’d already made. The guy didn’t like us and didn’t want to put us on but he gave the tape to Bobby, more for the compilation rather than our songs. Bobby played our songs and loved them and my number was on the front of the tape. I got home from school one day and my mum said, ‘Some guy phoned you about the tape and I asked if he’d seen you and he said, "Not yet”’ and I took that as a good sign!”



 He continues: “When Bobby phoned us he said, ‘I really love your tape and I’ve got a friend in London, Alan McGee.’ So the next thing, he sends the tape to Alan who got us down there.”


 Even after the passing of the years, Jim Reid is still convinced that the Mary Chain secured the gig with McGee on the strength of his friendship with Bobby Gillespie rather than musical merit: “I think McGee initially did it as a favour to Bobby!”



 And so, taking a fraught and tense journey from Glasgow to London, The Jesus and Mary Chain headed off to London to play a gig that would soon pass into rock & roll folklore.


 “We went down there on the overnight coach with no sleep and loads of alcohol and fighting which then carried on to the stage,” explains Hart.


 Arriving drunk and tired in London, the band’s spirits were hardly raised when they discovered that their debut gig in the capital was to be in the function room above the Roebuck pub. To their minds, they were set to play among the bright lights of the big city and not a down-at-heel boozer.



 “Basically, it was a hot day and we were kicking around in London waiting for the time to do the soundcheck. Soundcheck? That was just a joke. It was a room above a pub and the PA was basically a stereo,” remembers Jim of the event. “We’d done the soundcheck and we’d been bickering all afternoon and at that point it was the hot weather, getting on each others’ nerves and we just started screaming and lunging at each other within two minutes of meeting Alan for the first time and he thought, Fucking hell! These guys are nuts! We started playing and we were so unmusical that he thought we were just insane.”



 According to reports, the band’s set consisted of a number of cover versions including virtually unrecognisable versions of Pink Floyd’s still-unreleased ‘Vegetable Man’ and Jefferson Airplane’s ‘Somebody To Love’. With the band hideously drunk and William’s amp feeding back beyond all control, the few people that caught the show were convinced that they had witnessed some kind of joke. Believing that they’d fucked up, the band was more than surprised when an overjoyed Alan McGee offered them a recording deal.


 “Alan used to get really animated when he got enthusiastic and he started screaming about ‘genius’,” continues Jim. “We thought we’d blown our chance and shot ourselves in the foot but he started going on about album deals and stuff like that. He was into it and that was good enough for us. Through that, plans were made to record ‘Upside Down’.”



 Given the band’s position as a surly quartet from East Kilbride with a history of rejection, McGee’s offer was initially viewed with scepticism that soon turned to joy.


 “We were naturally very suspicious of any kind of enthusiasm so we thought we’d never hear from McGee again but he was on the phone the next day. We were like, ‘Woah! This is actually gonna happen!’”


 Having played a few more gigs in London, the band was booked by McGee to record their debut single at Alaska Studios in Waterloo. Only a few months ago the band had yet to play its first gig and any recording experience had been limited to making demos in a small bedroom in East Kilbride. With a limited recording budget, they were forced to record throughout the night. Despite initial reservations, the band took to the sessions with enthusiasm but struggled to capture their live sound.


 “We’d work from midnight till about seven or something like that but we didn’t care; it was brilliant,” explains Jim. “The engineer that was there kept playing everything through these massive Tannoy speakers and everything sounded amazing. ‘Fucking hell!’ we thought. ‘We didn’t realise we sounded so powerful!’ We made this version of ‘Upside Down’ and when we played it back it sounded like Dire Straits! We couldn’t work out why until someone pointed out we’d been playing it through these mega fucking blow-out–the-neighbourhood speakers and they’d make anything sound like The Velvet Underground so we had to go back in and remix it.


 “And we tried to do that and we did that classic thing where everybody’s in the studio saying, “Turn this up!” “No, turn that up!” so it was then decided that William and Alan would go in and mix ‘Upside Down’.”


 The resulting single was one of the most thrilling rock & roll moments of the early 1980s. Though its reference points were obvious, its genius lay in mixing this heady stew together with the kind of onslaught that The Ramones had promised almost a decade earlier. Deadly in its simplicity, this was the ghost of a pre-army Elvis Presley reaching out to the living world through a vortex of terror and unrelenting feedback. Released in November 1984, ‘Upside Down’’s initial pressing of 1,000 soon sold out and reprints were quickly ordered. Selling around 20,000 copies, The Jesus and Mary Chain’s debut single put Creation Records on the map while finding itself in the No. 37 slot between The Smiths’ ‘Reel Around The Fountain’ and Cocteau Twins’ ‘Pandora’ in John Peel’s Festive 50 at the end of the year and with it came major label interest.


 “It was a weird thing because one part of me thought this would always happen but when it did happen it didn’t stop you going, ‘For fuck’s sake!’” laughs Jim. “I remember we played a gig in London – just before we did this Creation Records tour of Germany – and there were quite a lot of people at that and the music papers came down. The reviews came out in NME and Sounds and Bobby was reading the reviews on our way back from Germany and I thought he was taking the piss. The NME was over the top saying how we were the greatest thing since the Sex Pistols and the Sounds one said we were the worst band they’d ever seen. You couldn’t wish for anything better! After that, record companies were beating down our doors with blank cheques.”


 Before any of that was the small matter of the drummer. Always considered an outsider by the rest of the band, Murray Dalglish was fired from the group and replaced by Bobby Gillespie, a sticksman of no fixed talent but whose music tastes and attitudes were perfectly in tune with the Mary Chain.



 “Bobby joining was key moment. The songs were always there and there was insanity on stage but there was always something missing,” says Douglas Hart. “There was a great moment when we kicked Murray out of the band and got Bobby to do the drums. We went to Glasgow to rehearse with Bobby and it was quite freeform and I remember thinking, ‘This has really clicked’. That was the moment when it really became amazing. He could manage to play two drums standing up and it was great because we were always asking Murray to reduce what he had. And after Bobby joined, we didn’t really rehearse but the feeling was so good and it was magical. We knew we had something.


 “‘Never Understand’ was the first thing he recorded. It clicked and we then got to play cellars in Germany and wear leather trousers!”


 If the sessions for ‘Upside Down’ had proved problematic in attempting to capture the band’s ferocious sound, they were to have their vision put to the test by the BBC’s engineers after they’d been invited to record a prestigious session for influential Radio 1 DJ, John Peel. To the Mary Chain’s collective mind, things had hardly progressed since the days of lab coat-wearing engineers and what could and couldn’t be done in the studio.


 “When we did our first Peel session… it was a bit frustrating because the big stumbling block with the sessions was the producers and the engineers at that time,” explains Jim. “They had quite a snotty attitude towards us that we were these little kids who didn’t know shit so we didn’t record what we wanted to record. We wanted to record broken glass on one of the songs and they wouldn’t do it. We were like, ‘But we’ll break it in a bucket and it won’t go anywhere’ but the guy said, ‘No, we’re not going to do that in the studio, sonny.’ That’s the way it was then, we just had to make do.”


 Though the initial Peel session of ‘In A Hole’, ‘You Trip Me Up’, ‘Never Understand’ and ‘Taste The Floor’ failed to capture The Jesus and Mary Chain’s howling fury to their complete satisfaction, the songs did reveal a masterful grasp of melody that the live shows had prevented from getting through. Clearly, a battle was raging between the basis of the songs and the instrumental packaging that embellishing them. This dichotomy would be a source of frustration for the band.


 “The songs that were underneath the feedback people hadn’t really got yet. Live, it was a total sonic assault and it was difficult to pick those songs out,” sighs Jim. “And we did have that thing where we’d put on a show and we’d be like, ‘Well, what shall we try to push to the front this time? Shall we let people know there’s more to this than just a massive freak out?’ But more often than not it would be the noise that overtook everything and it was hard to keep that under control. It seemed to take on a life of its own really.”


 There also remained the issue of stagecraft. The band had gone from forming to performing to recording in a very short space of time and the roles within the band had been assigned more through accident than design.


 Jim continues: “The other thing was that we were kind of timid on stage and the feedback and the noise was something to hide behind. At that time, I felt very uncomfortable on stage; you know, I was just some kid who was signing on a few months earlier.


 “Plus, we’d formed the band before we’d even decided who was doing what. It was never said I was going to be the singer. We always said it was going to be me or William but as I recall neither of us wanted to do it. We had an argument as to who wasn’t going to be the singer and I lost that argument. I’m not a singer in the classic sense so I needed the feedback to cover my voice on stage. My confidence level was at rock bottom.”


 Riding high on the success of ‘Upside Down’, manager Alan McGee set about arranging a major label deal for his charges. Though ‘Upside Down’ had earned an impressive amount of money for Creation, McGee felt that his 20% management fee from any major deal would help sustain Creation while the band was keen to not only get themselves out of a perceived indie ghetto but were also under the impression that recording their debut album would need serious financial backing. In the end, The Jesus and Mary Chain signed with Blanco Y Negro, a subsidiary of Warners headed by Rough Trade founder Geoff Travis. Looking back, Jim Reid now questions this decision.


 “We would have recorded Psychocandy on Creation if Creation had actually had any money at that time. Creation then was nothing like what it became a few short years later,” he says ruefully. “Alan was basically bankrolling a few singles here and there and all the stock was in his back bedroom, you know? It was a very small-scale operation.”


 He continues: “At the time we had kinda thought, our heroes are like David Bowie and Marc Bolan and stuff like that and we wanted to be on Top Of The Pops and that we needed a bankroll behind us so we thought that it had to be a major. We thought we needed someone to spend money on the band. And the joke is that Psychocandy cost £17,000 to record – and that includes the b-sides as well as the singles – so that was peanuts really.”


 Allowing himself a chuckle, he says, “With the benefit of hindsight – I mean, wouldn’t it be great to go back and speak to yourself back then – we didn’t need to sign to a major; we didn’t get a lot out of it or many benefits. Warner Brothers didn’t exactly bend over backwards to promote the Jesus And Mary Chain. They hadn’t a clue what we were all about. We just couldn’t communicate with anybody down there so it probably wasn’t the best move we’d made.”


 With the deal in place, the band entered Island Studios with engineer Stephen Street who’d been making a name for himself through his work with The Smiths. Given his track record, the pairing seems odd to say the least and the attempts at recording ‘Never Understand’ came to nothing. According to bassist Douglas Hart, the sessions weren’t just to record the follow-up to ‘Upside Down’ but were originally planned to record Psychocandy.


 “We tried recording it with Stephen Street at Island Studios but that was like, ‘This is not working.’ It was such a mismatch. The harshness of Island Studios didn’t suit us so we went back and recording ‘Never Understand’ in the studio we did ‘Upside Down’ in.”


 Released in February 1985 on Blanco Y Negro, ‘Never Understand’ truly delivered on the promise made by ‘Upside Down’. Opening with Douglas Hart’s low bass rumble, the effect of William Reid’s grasp of studio dynamics and loops of feedback entering the fray with Bobby Gillespie’s minimalist drumming was akin to being a attacked by a swarm of bees on steroids while Jim’s laconic and reverb-drenched vocals hovered over the beautiful din with an almost delicate fragility. For those raised on 50s rock & roll, 60s girl groups, 70s chart music and the leather-trousered torch-bearers of the early 80s such as The Cramps and The Birthday Party, The Jesus and Mary Chain were the word made flesh.


 The combination of their recorded work to date and growing reputation for drunkenness and violence at gigs – a gig in Birmingham in January 1985 had been cancelled by police – meant that an offer of appearing on BBC2’s Old Grey Whistle Test was offered with kid gloves and strict conditions. The show was broadcast live but for their session, The Jesus and Mary Chain had to turn up at the BBC’s studios early in the morning and pre-record their contribution of ‘In A Hole’. If the producers were expecting a fresh-faced and well-behaved band, they were shocked to find four drunken musicians rolling up at 10am.


 Douglas Hart laughs at the memory saying, “For …Whistle Test, they had us in the morning to record that. We’d been up all night and it was just weird watching ourselves on telly later that night. We were all sat around this little fire with massive hangovers!”


 A gloriously nihilistic performance – the band really does look as it couldn’t give a shit about being on telly – it did at least prove that the band were capable of writing memorable songs under the insistent barrage that carried them. But it was what was to happen next that sealed the band’s reputation in the wider world.


 The Jesus and Mary Chain’s notorious riot gig at North London Polytechnic on March 15 has become the very stuff of legend. Oversold, overcrowded and underplayed – the band played for approximately 16 minutes – the resulting chaos saw the band’s gear trashed, the PA demolished and the arrival of police. Though Alan McGee lauded the event through a series of over-excited press releases – his claim that “…in an abstract way, the audience were not smashing up the hall. They were smashing up pop music” still manages to induces a smirk – the band themselves were now getting more than a little worried that matters were getting of hand.



 Yet contrary to their reputation, they took their music more seriously than they were credited for. On March 30, work began on Psychocandy at Southern Studios in Wood Green, North London. Established in 1974 by engineer John Loder and favoured by CRASS, the role of the studio and its founder cannot be overestimated. Here, at last, the Mary Chain found an engineer who not only tore up the studio rule book but encouraged the band to indulge in their musical excesses.


 “Geoff Travis suggested that we use CRASS’ studio,” says Douglas. “Not because we were fans of CRASS but because it was a totally low-key place. And it was a great sounding studio because, you know, it was like a shed in a garden and there was no pressure and it was cheap and John Loder could handle where we were coming from

."He was the first sympathetic engineer that we worked with. A lot of the times he would just disappear. Engineering-wise, he was absolutely perfect because he’d let us try to find the sound that was in our heads without saying, ‘You can’t do that!’”


 Jim Reid is equally fulsome in his praise of Southern Studios and its helmsman.

 “We tried a couple of studios but it just wasn’t working. We couldn’t find the right place to record Psychocandy. We’d been to several places and they were all terrible. You’d start trying to do a mix and sorting out the guitar level and you could see the engineer looking uncomfortable with what we were doing. He be going, ‘But it’s in the red!’ and we were going, ‘Fuck that, pal! Just go for a slash!’ We just had to get away from that kind of mentality that we got in every studio in London. There was always someone in these places that just didn’t like our music.


 “Southern Studios… was just fabulous because John Loder was there. He was the opposite of those other engineers; he was actually egging us on to go further. His attitude was to set the desk up and then go away. He’d just go to office and do his work. He’d have an intercom and he’d say, ‘If you have problems, just buzz me and I’ll come down and help you out.’ He did what was needed and he left us to our own devices.


 “We needed someone like John. He was essential purely because he let us get on with it. We had the sound in our heads and he tried to find a way to get that on tape. He did everything he could to help us get that sound.”


 Flying in the face of their increasingly fearsome reputation as belligerent drunkards, The Jesus and Mary Chain approached the recording of their debut with a focus that belied their public image. While the gigs may have ended in chaos, the band was acutely aware that this was their one chance of making a valid and coherent statement. This was make or break time.


 Douglas Hart is still proud of the band’s approach: “At the time, we made that album totally sober. We used put a lot of this mad, drunken energy into the gigs with this pent-up anger that was kind of a, ‘If we don’t do this, we’re gonna die’ attitude. So when it came to make the record, we were very conscientious and not drinking and not getting wasted.”


 He continues: “When it came to make the record, it was a release for us. We were a great band with great songs and we knew that if we didn’t do it right we’d probably kill ourselves. We were very hearty people; we’d slogged it out in the back of transit vans for years. It was a well-crafted record. It has a very free feeling.


 “You had the chaos of the live performances but when it came to the studio, none of us had been in bands before but they were well-crafted songs and we could all step up to the mark. We knew we could do it. We struggled on the first couple of singles, to be honest, but I think that after ‘Never Understand’ we knew we could make it work in that way. The bass and the drums and the guitar would all be recorded live and then add on overdubs so it has quite a live feel.”


 According the bassist, such was the Mary Chain’s almost puritanical work ethic that temptations were eschewed with an almost casual ease.


 “As I say, we were very conscientious. On-U Sound were recording at Southern Studios in the evening and we were there during the day. We’d come in and there’d be all these lines of speed that they’d chopped out but we’d totally ignore all that and go get some breakfast at the Wimpy where they’d serve those weird sausages that went round the eggs. And then we’d just get on with it. Obviously, when it came to mixing we’d stay longer but not like a crazy, late night session; not at all, not at all.



 “There certainly weren’t any tensions in the studio. In fact, I’d say it was a really joyful thing to do. Jim and William weren’t fighting at that time. I was there for the whole process and we’d been given a chance to make a record and it was joy to do.”


 For Jim Reid, the band knew that they were in the process of making a classic and one that would not only define 1985 but also stand the test of time.


 “I know it sounds big-headed, but we kinda had an idea,” he says. “We felt pretty good about the record as we were making it. We had it in mind that this was a record that would be like the kind of records that we bought; y’know, like The 13th Floor Elevators or something and you still listen to them 20 years after they were made and that’s what we were aiming for.


 “We weren’t aiming for a record that comes out in 1985 and then be forgotten in 1990. We wanted to make a record that, if you heard it 25 years later, it wouldn’t sound like a 25-year-old record. And if it appealed to little spotty anoraks in their bedrooms like we were, that was good enough for us. And if there were kids scattered around the place and hearing that record and thinking, ‘I can do that!’ and they start a band then the record’s successful.”



 Douglas Hart agrees with his former bandmate: “I remember we hung around William’s place and listened to it and we knew that we’d made a great record. By that time, we had a great load of songs together. It was something that we’d talked about earlier when we’d walked the streets thinking, ‘Just imagine if we could do that!’ But we nailed it and it was like a dream come true but we still didn’t know what people would fucking think of it. But there was definitely a moment when we looked at each other and went, ‘Fuck, yeah!’”



 Released in November 1985, Psychocandy was an instant classic. Not carrying an ounce of flab, every song was a killer. This writer’s memory of playing it for the first was a worry that, such was the quality of side one of the album, the second side would fail to match its magnificence. A false concern. Here at last was an album that wasn’t afraid of noise or playing guitars at crotch level unlike so much of the fey music that made its name at the time; its beautiful melodies, pumping basslines and almost childishly simple rhythms were bolstered by a red-hot blast of white noise. It was steeped in the quasi-homo-erotic outsider biker imagery redolent of Kenneth Anger’s Scorpio Rising. This outsider/biker feel permeates the grooves conjuring up black leather and buckled boots straddling roaring motorbikes racing past girls called Cindy and Honey, all the while attempting to articulate teenage angst. Crucially, Psychocandy was as much a pop album as it was a rock & roll one. For the Jesus And Mary Chain, the fusing of these two dynamics was the intention from the very beginning.


 “When I think back to the music that we listened to in East Kilbride, of course there were The Stooges and things like that but there was also The Shangri-Las,” says Douglas. “Those kind of disparate things gave us an elevated feeling. You know, you used to meet all these people then that were into punk but hated The Beach Boys and we found that so weird.


 “We couldn’t understand why people couldn’t love both things and that combination of melody and extreme noise was so obvious to us. And they were equally as important. And so was Motown. Take ‘Just My Imagination’ – that’s three chords with really strange reverb on it. Everybody talks about The Velvets but we were more than that. Nobody really mentions the Motown influences or glam rock. You know, stuff like Gary Glitter and that were a huge thing in our life when we were young. The first thing we bought was T-Rex.


 “We were totally in love with that and we wanted to be on Top of the Pops and in Smash Hits. I remember people looking at us as if we were weird for saying that and it’s amazing that we actually got into Smash Hits! And on the front cover! You look at that po-faced indie aesthetic which we hated. We were always in love with pop music.”


 That love of classic pop certainly shone through Psychocandy’s 14 gems, be it the heartache of ‘Taste Of Cindy’, the Phil Spector-indebted ‘Just Like Honey’ or the glorious ‘You Trip Me Up’, a track that in some alternate universe occupied the Number 1 slot in the singles charts for several weeks. Sadly, the airwaves of daytime radio were far from accommodating to their vision and they found themselves marginalised away from the mainstream much to the band’s chagrin.


 “It was more than frustrating; it was bloody annoying, actually,” Jim states “It was annoying because we wanted to have our music played on the radio and we couldn’t unless you listened to John Peel.”


 Released shortly after the violence that marred the band’s gig at the Electric Ballroom and the riots that had broken out in London, Psychocandy drew a line under the chaos that had come to be identified with the band. Indeed, the band itself was acutely aware that the aggression and carnage would have to stop in favour of their increasing skills as musicians and performers.


 “I always figured that if you antagonise people to that degree then you should expect a bop in the mouth,” says Jim who found himself on the receiving end of a kicking at a Nick Cave gig in 1985. “But I did worry that someone in the audience was going to get seriously injured. People would come along because they’d read that there would be a riot at the gig and you’d see some really nasty characters out there with clubs and you’d think, ‘Well, wait a minute, someone’s going to get their fucking head broken open’ and that’s when we decided that enough was enough.


 “There were a few gigs and the atmosphere was such that you knew people had just turned up for a punch up. The way we dealt with it was just not to play for a while and we then said, ‘If you’re coming to our gig for a fight then you’re an idiot.' It seemed to do the trick.”

 Changes were indeed underway and by the end of February 1986 Bobby Gillespie had quit the band to concentrate on Primal Scream and be replaced by Quietus writer John Moore. Their sets became longer and more musically accomplished and with ‘Some Candy Talking’ The Jesus and Mary Chain scored their first bona fide hit before having it banned by Radio 1 under the premise of its alleged promotion of drug use.


 But before all that, The Jesus and Mary Chain’s Psychocandy was declared NME's Album of The Year, an accolade shared with Tom Waits’ Rain Dogs. (They also topped the NME's Singles Of The Year poll with 'Never Understand'. 'Just Like Honey was at number two and 'You Trip Me Up' was at number six.) Looking back from the vantage point of the 21st century, both Jim Reid and Douglas Hart view Psychocandy’s legacy with a pride that’s several degrees apart.


 “I recently met The Vaccines and they spoke really fondly of the Mary Chain and the fact that it made them want to start a band,” says Douglas with a broad smile. “It’s quite weird for me but it makes me feel really good about it. Whatever people think of our legacy, the fact is that kids are still picking up guitars because of Psychocandy. You can’t ask for than that, I think. We were driven by things we loved and if one of those bands makes a great record then you can’t ask for more.”


 Jim is more circumspect than his erstwhile bassist saying, “It’s difficult for me to say. I don’t like to talk too much about what the music means to other people. We made the record and hopefully it has some significance to some people – and the more the better – but it’s up to other people to tell what they got from it.”


 With a Conservative government implementing savage public spending cutbacks, unemployment and job insecurity rising and rioters taking to the streets and pop music becoming little more than light entertainment, 2011 has more than a few parallels with 1985. With this in mind, could a Psychocandy and its attendant circus happen again and is the time right?


 “It probably is,” affirms Jim. “If it happened now, it would sound totally different. I think the attitude of Psychocandy was to do with not being satisfied with the status quo and trying to fuck things up a little bit. There’s always gonna be somebody who wants to do that and hopefully it’ll be different every time it happens.”


 The difference could indeed be crucial. With the benefit of hindsight, I wonders what the Jim Reid of today would say to the Jim Reid of 1985?

 “Oh, fucking hell!” he exclaims with a laugh. “I’d probably give myself a good slap!”


 And so it goes full circle to the violence once again…






At least at the beginning, there was no middleman: Starting from the ground up, the band did everything themselves. The Mary Chain was an autodidactic bunch, gathering materials on their own that would help them craft their image, aesthetic approach and performance style. The band created the interiors of their record sleeves, rounded up their friends for help, and took the photographs that would grace Psychocandy’s front cover in Jim and William’s shared bedroom in East Kilbride. (“Marc Bolan didn’t have to stuff the sleeves of his own records,” Jim remembers grumbling at one point.) They spent many late nights at Alan McGee’s flat in Tottenham wrapping up records in plastic bags, remembers Karen Parker, Bobby [Gillespie]’s then-girlfriend and soon-to-be-unforgettable vocalist on “Just Like Honey.”


By June 1984, the young band had already signed to Creation. But at the time, “musicians” was a loose term to describe them, at best. Bassist Douglas Hart notoriously thumped his bass with two strings, one of which actually worked. “Two is enough; it’s adequate,” he would say to interviewers years later. “Anybody can play this bass.” William Reid played guitar because he could do it only slightly better than his brother Jim, which meant he could hardly play at all. “He could barely hold down a bar chord,” remembers Jim of William’s guitar playing at the beginning. As for William’s guitar? “It’s totally out of tune, because my guitar’s for kicking,” he told video interviewers in 1985. Bobby Gillespie had been screaming in his first industrial noise band before joining as the Mary Chain’s drummer (his “drum kit” was comprised of two trash can lids).

 The younger, painfully shy Jim Reid had been relegated to the role of the band’s vocalist out of necessity because no one else would do it (he and William flipped a coin, and he “lost”). Originally, Jim tried to get Douglas — then the youngest member of the band, just a teenager — to sing. “I was like, 'Fuck, what?' I couldn’t believe it,” Hart recalls. “It was total shyness on his part. I was like, ‘Your voice is fucking amazing,' and he’s a good-looking bastard!”


 Their attempts at performing live had been minimally successful thus far, and their audience typically comprised their friend / superfan Bobby Gillespie, Alan McGee and a few confused onlookers, most of whom left after several minutes. Though they were booted off the stage at a psychedelic club night at Alice in Wonderland (in London’s Soho) in September 1984, they decided that the next show (at another venue, of course) would be different. Perhaps it helps that before their first show at the Living Room, they marched into the New Musical Express offices in London and announced to the tastemaking writers and editors that they, the Mary Chain, had arrived.


 “We went down and said, ‘We’re the Jesus and Mary Chain, we’re playing tonight [at the Living Room], and if you don’t come, you’re going to be pretending that you did in five years,’” Reid says. At first, McGee wasn’t too keen. “We explained to Alan that we were going down to the NME offices to invite them to the show. He was laughing and saying, ‘Fuck, that’s not how it works.’ But why isn’t it how it works?” says Jim Reid. “He was like, ‘You just can’t do that. They don’t know who you are.’ But we did it anyway.” Their boldness then caught the attention of an NME critic named David Quantick. This time, NME’s own Neil Taylor ended up going to their gig at the Three Johns on October 24, 1984. In his review, he touted the Mary Chain as “the best thing since the Sex Pistols.” This bit of press would prove critical to the band moving forward, even if the show itself was admittedly a mess.


 McGee remembers that particular show dissolving into spectacular chaos. “I don’t even know how to describe it. Every single one of them ... Gillespie was sort of having a nervous breakdown as they played,” he told Barbed Wire Kisses’ author Zoë Howe. “Douglas Hart was … well, I don’t know what drug he was on, but he was, like, pinned to the wall. Jim was having an epileptic fit, William was on his knees, and then they proceeded to smash their instruments up. Gillespie — the guy barely drank, but he was drunk, manically drumming away.”


 It was utterly punk to make something from nothing, and these chances are what made the Mary Chain. Even tensions bubbling up between the dueling brothers took a backseat to the Mary Chain mission. “We just had such a clear idea of, at the end of it, the words the Jesus and Mary Chain are going to be written on something,” Jim remembers. “We want to have control over that. It doesn’t have your name on the final product. It’s got our name. So, you know, we just want to make sure it’s done right.”


 Part of what set the Mary Chain [apart] was their early understanding that maintaining creative control over their product, even when making the move to major labels later on, was crucial to maintain a sense of stability and purity. Speaking to this, Jim recalls a later story about going to film the video for “You Trip Me Up” in Portugal, which they planned so that it would be sunny (naturally, it rained virtually the entire time the Scotsmen were there). What they could control of their music and its marketing, they did — and sometimes, it wasn’t received all that well by others.


 “It used to really annoy people how we were so hands-on. We edited the ‘You Trip Me Up’ video, and they were just so fucking annoyed with us,” remembers Jim. “We would just be randomly cutting up films and splicing them together, and they were so angry! And they would say, ‘Why don’t you go to the pub, and when you get back we’ll have edited your video?’ We would say, ‘No, you got it wrong. You go to the pub, we’ll have edited the video.’ That was our attitude, you know? We did everything ourselves.”


 Regardless, the Mary Chain would be consistently painted in the press as a group of self-indulgent, lazy retromaniacs. Due to their seemingly uncaring attitude and onstage antics, the Jesus and Mary Chain were almost immediately dubbed “Sex Pistols 2.0” by the British press upon the release of their first single in November 1984. The nickname was damning, and nods to the fellows’ polarizing performances, the band’s monosyllabic radio and television interviews and, of course, their ungodly name. They hadn’t even released a full album, and they were already pissing people off.


 In a 1986 Rolling Stone profile, Jim Reid grumbled, “We’ve been taken hold of by the media as if we were some kind of plaything. To a certain extent, we played up to that in the beginning. But it got to the point where we were being portrayed as drunken idiots. It’s completely untrue. Just because the music is loaded doesn’t mean we’re loaded.” Instead of being strung out and loaded on heroin, the Mary Chain’s idea of “loaded” was more along the lines of the eponymous myth that wrought the Velvet Underground’s final record, Loaded, a tongue-in-cheek decision made by Lou Reed at the insistence of a producer who urged the then-Velvets to make a record that was “loaded” with hits. "Loaded," of course, can also refer to a gun with a trigger ready to be pulled.



 

Review Summary: Conflict


 
Conflict is what defines The Jesus and Mary Chain’s career. It’s what drove the brothers Reid haphazardly through the spotlight over decades, and it’s what drove Psychocandy to encapsulate an ideal the brothers could never fully capture again - no matter whether they tried or not. It’s what drove an unhealthy marriage of proto-punk and pop music, apathetic morbidity set in the California beaches of 1965, trying too hard to look like they never tried hard enough. There are rarely more than three chords on any given track; hell, the Reids practically copy-pasted the first forty seconds of their now-seminal classic “Just Like Honey” just ten tracks later. Note for note, transposed down a tone or two. And yet, in this limited framework lies a simple, pleasurable creativity, intent on expressing love for the pop genre and maliciously twisting it all the while. Any retroactive critical acclaim, or influence on the scene of tomorrow, is just the icing on the cake.




Goth music could hear the angst of “God spits on my soul” or sexual frustration in “Eating up the scum” and go even further into despair. Shoegaze could take the deafening cacophony of tightly-controlled feedback and, by 1991, turn it into an alien and ethereal beauty. Yet there was never the sense of duality that Psychocandy encompassed, nor was there the sheer violence of the Reids’ will to record the album exactly as they wanted. It’s both a product of the sound and the personalities, but each collision of Jim Reid’s low register and William Reid’s explosive leads sounds like it could escalate into a brawl. Sometimes it actually does, when “Taste the Floor” drowns Jim out in the mix in favour of a feedback tsunami. It would be worrisome, yet the sweetness of old always brings a sense of comfort to the equation; how can we break into a riot now, when we’ve made something so fragile in the process?




Perhaps the crux of Psychocandy is that each listening experience is a conflict in its own right. The Reids go too far too often – where the introduction of “In a Hole” fails to resemble anything at all, except maybe tinnitus, and the ballads hit like a fire drill. Nonetheless, there’s a solemn reward in fighting through the Reids’ vision, fighting through the anger to reach a soft “I’ll be where you can’t see… my little underground.” It’s the never-ending struggle between audience and artist that makes this fleeting vulnerability all the more beautiful. For every embrace and optimistic “There’s something wrong,” there’s a snide remark somewhere later down the line that fires up conflict all over again. In that sense, Psychocandy is one of the most paradoxically accessible records in musical history; a little something for everyone who goes looking, and a sloppy middle finger for everyone no matter what, before stumbling back into the set.










 


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31/1/2020 1:21 pm  #2103


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The infamous gig at The Electric Ballroom in 1985, including the aftermath.


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31/1/2020 11:07 pm  #2104


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I'm pleased you (eventually) enjoyed Psychocandy a/c, but would never have thought of it as background or work music. Try listening to it loud when pished.

The band's distortion and feedback mixed with a surfing theme is offensive, unique and brilliant. Funny, I never thought of them as a 'shoegazing' band, but then when I first got into them, I don't think that term existed. It was when the Wedding Present did that 12 singles in 1992 record setting that I first heard of the term from a fellow United fan.

This wouldn't be my favourite JAMC album: normally I tend to like early LPs by bands, but Munki from the late 'nineties is top bracket for me (listen to that, A/C). In fact, I think they got better as time went on, excepting the reunion album a couple of years ago (still good right enough).

Wish hkarab in one of his or her forms was around to give his or her slant on this.

 

01/2/2020 12:30 pm  #2105


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Album 562
Simply Red..................................Picture Book   (1985)














The eighties threw up some very ordinary and some very safe music, but Simply Red offered something a little extra with a touch of genuine class.


Bang in the middle of the decade, Simply Red issued this album their debut long player. The opening 'hit' single didn't offer much 'Money's Too Tight' but the following singles were special, namely 'Heaven' and 'Holding Back The Years'.


Simply Red, as everyone knows, introduced Mick Hucknell's amazing voice to the world. A tremendously talented vocalist who chose to sing about the difficult times of the mid-eighties, and I remember a concert where he was very outspoken about the then tory government. It's always a bit tedious when rich recording artists bang on about any political party but there you go. They were a great live band!


Sadly Simply Red could not sustain the intensity on offer within this debut, and over the next few years turned in to a very commercial and very middle of the road act. Nevertheless this was a great debut album, and unlike much of the popular music from the eighties, it stands the test of time very well indeed.



 


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01/2/2020 12:33 pm  #2106


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PatReilly wrote:

I'm pleased you (eventually) enjoyed Psychocandy a/c, but would never have thought of it as background or work music. Try listening to it loud when pished.

The band's distortion and feedback mixed with a surfing theme is offensive, unique and brilliant. Funny, I never thought of them as a 'shoegazing' band, but then when I first got into them, I don't think that term existed. It was when the Wedding Present did that 12 singles in 1992 record setting that I first heard of the term from a fellow United fan.

This wouldn't be my favourite JAMC album: normally I tend to like early LPs by bands, but Munki from the late 'nineties is top bracket for me (listen to that, A/C). In fact, I think they got better as time went on, excepting the reunion album a couple of years ago (still good right enough).

Wish hkarab in one of his or her forms was around to give his or her slant on this.

Will give that munki a go tomorrow Pat, as back on pentin' duty


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05/2/2020 12:05 am  #2107


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PatReilly wrote:

This wouldn't be my favourite JAMC album: normally I tend to like early LPs by bands, but Munki from the late 'nineties is top bracket for me (listen to that, A/C).

I did Pat and I make you right, this album blew me away, like yourself I normally like the early raw stuff better, but this one seemed a tad less erratic/distortionery/feedbacky pish than Psychocandy and was all the better for it, in my humbles.

Already downloaded and played to death, probably to the detriment of the New Order album I'm about to slaver about, thanks again Pat.


And if anyone hasn't listened to this, please give it a go, I know it's about 70 minutes but get on with things while you listen, I think you'll find it well worth the time you invest

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05/2/2020 1:32 am  #2108


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Album 561

New Order.........................................Low-Life   (1985}











This album opened up with a great song that I'd never heard before Love Vigilantes, but unfortunately for this listener it then became track after track of repetitive synth orientated dopelganging music.


I found there was too much repetition, there's no way you wouldn't know it was New Order after 10 seconds of any of the tracks, now I'm not saying they are bad, but it seems to me on listening to my first New Order album that they have found their own popular niche (which they are very good at to be fair) and are not for changing (and why should they)


I wish I hadn't listened to this one as I liked New Order, Blue Monday, Confusion and Temptation are three tracks I really like and joining them now is Love Vigilantes, but on this showing I think a full album of New Order would be just too samey for me and I don't think it would last too long on the turntable, I would have to listen to them in small digestible chunks, no more than two to three tracks back to back.


This album wont be going into my record collection, I loved Joy Division but found this rather disappointing.





Bits & Bobs;


New Order was formed in 1980 by former Joy Division members Bernard Sumner, Peter Hook and Stephen Morris, following the suicide of vocalist Ian Curtis. Gillian Gilbert was the only new member added after the demise of their former band. She was invited to join New Order during the early part of October 1980. Gilbert had already played with Joy Division a number of times, filling in for both Curtis and Sumner playing guitar. She was also the girlfriend, (now wife) of Morris.


 
New Order's debut single "Ceremony Club" was actually one of the last songs Joy Division ever wrote. It hinted at a possible lightening up from their previous gloomy sound.


 
Peter Hook said that Ian Curtis was the main difference between their songwriting for Joy Division and New Order. "When we were Joy Division, myself, Bernard [Sumner] and Stephen [Morris ] would jam a lot and get our ideas that way," he explained. "Ian would be listening to us playing and would say, 'That sounds good, that bit is great, do that bit again...' he was like a conductor in that respect."



"As New Order it was very different because we had lost Ian, which meant we had to change our way of songwriting, and it also meant that we had to start doing the lyrics ourselves," Hook continued. "It took us a while to get used to doing that."



 
Their second album Power, Corruption & Lies (1983), was a dramatic change of sound, adding synthesizers and sequencers, and a substantial amount of melodicism to the traditional guitar, bass and drums. This established New Order's formula mixing early techno and guitar-based music.


 
"Temptation" is one of New Order's best-known recordings. This is in part due to its appearance in the Trainspotting movie where the lyrics are sung by Kelly MacDonald's Diane character while she's taking a bath.


 
"Blue Monday" is the best-selling 12-inch single of all time in Britain. However, as Factory Records were not members of the British Phonographic Industry association, it was not eligible for an official gold disc. The single wasn't issued as a traditional 7-inch until 1988, which helped boost sales of the 12-inch.


 
In their early days, New Order paid themselves £72.50 a week.



 The gentle lead guitar of New Order's 1989 single "Run 2" led some fans to cite an unlikely comparison: John Denver. When the the American singer-songwriter got wind of the tune, he took legal action claiming that the guitar break too closely resembled his song "Leaving On A Jet Plane." The case was settled out of court, and as a result the single can never be re-released in its original form.


 
New Order achieved their only UK #1 in 1990 when "World in Motion" topped the chart. The official 1990 England World Cup song, it was a re-working of the theme music to youth current affairs show Reportage. Released under the name of England New Order it featured several members of the 1990 English football team, as well as comic actor Keith Allen, who co-wrote the lyric.


 
The video for New Order's 2001 single "Crystal" depicted a young American band miming to New Order's music and words. The clip was directly responsible for the name of the American group The Killers, as that name was written on the bass drum of the fictional band.


 
Gilbert stopped touring with New Order in 1998 so that she could care for her's and Morris' two daughters. She took part in the recording of 2001's Get Ready after which she was replaced by Phil Cunningham in New Order's line-up. Gilbert rejoined New Order in 2011, after a 10-year hiatus.


 
New Order have had two lengthy sabbaticals. Between 1993 and 1998 the quartet worked on their own individual projects, before reconvening. In 2007, after Peter Hook left the band, Sumner and guitarist Phil Cunningham worked on their Bad Lieutenant group and the other members again pursued their own projects. The band reunited in 2011 without Hook, with Tom Chapman replacing the bassist.





Love Vigilantes

Track 1 from Low-Life by New Order. The song tells the story of a soldier fighting in Vietnam.
Bernard Sumner explained his approach to writing it:


I did that with “Love Vigilantes” where I decided to write a redneck song. It was quite tongue-in-cheek. It was about Vietnam. It was about a soldier that came back and his wife was sent a telegram to say that he was dead. You can take the ending one way or another. He’s either dead and he’s come back as a ghost and he sees her or he’s not dead and the telegram was a mistake. But his wife’s got it and killed herself.



The Perfect Kiss

 “The Perfect Kiss” was released in 1985 with a catalogue number of FAC 123. While it runs 8'46" in its full-length version, the song is most widely available in one of a few edits. The album edit which appears on Low-Life cuts the third verse and most of the instrumental outro to get down to 4'48", while the version on the Compact Disc release of Substance cuts about 40 seconds due to limitations of the CD format. The full version is only available on CD on the bonus disc of the Low-Life re-release.

 Peter Saville’s cover design features the title of the song embossed vertically onto the sleeve. The title wraps around, such that the front reads ‘perfect’ and the back ‘kiss The’.


 The music video for “The Perfect Kiss” was directed by Jonathan Demme and featured a new recording of the song played live in-studio. In typical Factory Records fashion, the video received its own catalogue number – the reverse of the single, FAC 321.



A Quick review I found;


Rising from the ashes of the great 70's gloomy dance rock Joy Division after the death of frontman Ian Curtis, New Order took on the role of depressing dance group in the eighties. Arguably the most copied band in history, New Order's sound consisted of synthesizers, drum machines, distorted bass and violent guitars. With the release of their most successful album Power, Corruption and Lies, New Order had a tough album to follow with. Making a more depressing sound helped with the creation of this album, and in 1985, Low-Life came to reality, and assisted in the growing music scene that was almost elegant, but catchy at the same time. Low Life signaled a new era in music; the eighties synth scene that dissolved in the nineties. New Order were the top at what they do, and here's an example of how brilliant they are.



New Order - Low-Life
Released 1985 Warner Brothers




Love Vigilantes: The first song on the album represents the album well. Starting with a pronounced bass, harmonica and eventually a faint guitar and drum machine. In comes the vocals, frail and almost sarcastic. The chorus is nothing especially different, but has a catchy bass hook and some nice, pleasant lyrics:
 Quote:I Want To See My Family, My Wife And Child Waiting For Me

This song repeats, but you should really listen to the whole thing, because it's really a spectacular and the first of only two happier songs on the album. An overall nice song, complete with a speed guitar outro.



The Perfect Kiss: The song that I originally hear and what got me into this album. A bass, dramatic keyboards, a drum machine and speed guitar occupy this song throughout the whole thing, and the result is pretty much the best song on the album. A little bass breakdown boasts a guitar solo riff but brings it down to fit the song, which again goes into the chorus with a stressed performance vocally, and a heavily fragmented bass pattern make this even more enjoyable, and create a real atmosphere for the album. A percussion break only can add to the song, and thats what the add with... frogs. A long lull of keyboards gradually erups into a bass-infested bridge, and a cowbell playing along, which exits the song with an instrumental part, which is what makes me love this song so much.




This Time Of Night: With claps, operatic keys and a fast paced drums, this technologically advanced piece makes it cool to be living in the eighties still. Which could be a problem, because you might get influenced to dance along to it, which would be a mistake seeing as you would look like an idiot. Enough filler, this song is a rather dramatic song that includes double bass pedals, and ailing vocals and a guitar playing a signature eighties riff. This song has some rather breathtaking elements, especially the faint keyboards, which make this song that much more enjoyable, and deep, Joy Division inspired vocals. Overlapping vocals at the end makes a dramatic ending. Another flawless song.




Sunrise: This song marks the midway point on the album. After about :40 of keyboard filled opening, the song erupts into a catchy, octavating bass pattern and rhythmic guitar playing chords. The vocals enter, and sound every bit as pained as the music. This song is another depressing song, that also inspires the eighties persona in all of us. A chorus filled with indivdual guitar and keyboards, and the introduction of the real first drumset. This song is 6:00, so there's bound to be something that can hold your interest in this song, and it's the bridge with talking-over type vocals, another tragic but wonderful bass pattern and a sole guitar playing up the neck gradually. Such an amazing song to listen to. This could have easily been the ending, because it's just that epic.




Eligia: Starting with creepy keyboards and a following guitar, this song has a rather beautiful side to it, complete with vocal-type keyboards and a guitar pattern that is similar to the bass pattern, a climbing pattern in the keyboard, and a lack of vocals. Before you know it, you're halfway done the song, and the whole thing continues on such an epic level that you have to sit and listen to the whole thing attentivley or you'll miss something. What else can be said about this song, other than that it's an instrumental epic with overlapping keyboards, similar bass-guitar riffs and the occasional synthesized symobls? Doesn't that just spell amazing? It does to me. It's over too soon, even though it hits a respectable 5:00.




Sooner Than You Think: Another rather mellow piece, Sooner Than You Think sounds like alot of the other songs, but adding jungle-esque percussion and even a 70's disco inspired keyboard riff, a distorted guitar playing scales and quiet but rewarding if you listen to it bass, this song has a chorus that showcases vocals more than anything else, hinting at "romantic" intentions:

Quote:Oh, you know what I need, yes you do

A breakdown from the guitar enters, and the song has a tendency to go right by quickly. An overall average song, but still nice to listen to. A guitar solo is the main interest holder here.




Sub Culture: This song features earlier bass patterns, most notably from Blue Monday, a Gloria Gaynor inspired keyboard pattern in the chorus, and sad lyrics. A breakdown features interesting chord changes and a kind of a continuation guitar riff that follows the keyboard. This song has really good elements musically, most notably a percussion break, a guitar solo, and a nice to listen to bass, but it's the lyrics and vocal stylings that keep you on this song. A powerful performance by New Order, and one of the most depressing songs on here.




Face Up: An upbeat song, this has some nice keyboard effects and bass patterns, but this is actually a step down from the other songs that made this album so brilliant and, essentially, trend setting. As stupid as this may sound, New Order can't really do happy songs that good, at least not as good as their more depressing songs. The extremely catchy bridge makes this song worth listening to. This concludes the album, which is a shame because a much more epic song such as The Perfect Kiss would be more suited to finish an album of this status.




Overall
This album has it's highs, which soar, and it's lows which aren't really that bad, but it all balances out to make an extremely enjoyable, gloomy, upbeat dance album that well continues the legend that bands such as Joy Division first made popular.



An Interview from 1985;


 This article originally appeared in the September 1985 issue of SPIN.



Jesus Christ, life is depressing. It’s surprising that anyone bothers to carry on with it. And when everything seems hopeless, someone tells you it’s bound to get worse. You know. You wear a pin that says “Life sucks, then you die.” The epidemic of teenage suicides in this country doesn’t shock you because youth is no excuse for living.

 You can understand why Ian Curtis hanged himself, aged 23, the night before Joy Division was scheduled to start its first American tour. His lyrics were haunting, his grief-filled voice unique. But who cares? When you’re hot, you’re hot; when you’re sad, you’re sad.


 The death of this unassuming singer with faraway eyes was considered Very Important Indeed. Joy Division was to England in the ’70s what the Velvet Underground was to America in the ’60s. Both bands attracted a fanatical cult following, and both had charismatic lead singers whose overriding artistic motivation was a fascination with the button labeled “Self-Destruct.” Some neurotics fulfill their own prophecy, others make Honda advertisements.


 You can hear Curtis’s suicide notes on the album—in the hypnotic despite of “Digital,” for instance: “I fee it closing in / Day in, day out / Day in, day out / Day in, day out.” Or “Isolation”: “I’m ashamed of the person I am / Isolation. Isolation. Isolation.


 The death-march quality of “Means to an End” makes it the gloom song to end all gloom songs. Joy Division’s music was stark, abrasive, sometimes simplistic, and (like the Velvet Underground’s) one of the most important influences of the era. You can hear it in Sisters of Mercy, you can hear it in the Smiths, you can hear it in Echo and the Bunnymen, you can hear it in Bauhaus. Now a whole generation of self-obsessed white wimps on Valium is plaguing us with its torment and loneliness. Hear Tears for Fears, for goodness’ sake: “I find it kind of funny / I find it kind of sad / The dreams in which I’m dying / Are the best I’ve ever had.


 Curtis’s death perpetuated the myth that was already beginning to shroud the band. “It’s the perfect end, isn’t it,” says bewhiskered and apparently undepressed bassist Peter Hook. “It’s like the Doors. It makes him perfect. It makes it all so glamorous and awe-inspiring. It makes the band really appealing.”


 The band is New Order now, of course, not Joy Division, but the early ’80s saw it doing little to destroy a carefully constructed legend. You don’t see beaming boys-next-door staring from New Order album covers. Indeed, Peter Saville’s classical packaging does not give the curious fan the benefit of credits, let alone a lyric sheet. “The songs are not statements,” explains Hook. “We don’t separate the lyrics from the music.”


 Factory was their fortress. That Manchester-based record company was founded by maverick entrepreneur Tony Wilson, whose gray-jowled policy relies on action: “We do something because we want to do it and find out the reasons for it after we’ve done it.”


 Independent labels weren’t unusual then, survival was. Set 200 miles from London (still the heart of the British music industry), Factory refuses to give bands contracts, advances, or hype. It believes that if you have talent, you can make it.


 New Order members reap 50 percent of the profit from their record sales, and since they are the world’s best-selling independent band, they are not badly off. No swimming pools, but “we can borrow money to buy cars,” laughs Hook, “and we can do a lot of things that other bands and independent record companies would like to do.”


 Like refuse to give interviews, for instance, something that helped the legend. They remain shy of the media, despite being the personal idols of most English music journalists. Consequently said writers, starved of bare facts, are inclined to eulogize the band and overintellectualize its output. When New Order played its first concert in London in 1981, Paul Morley told New Musical Express readers he “burst into tears” (not from boredom, presumably).


 Even recently, another writer called them the “driven snow of the soul.” Writers always felt there was a lot to say about New Order, but the band’s material did not always live up to that expectation. That’s because when it comes down to it, New Order is not grandiose or obscure. It is a down-to-earth group with a cute vocalist who sings nicely and a batch of charismatic dance tunes.


 “What appeals to us is simplicity,” says Hook. “Our music is complicated, but you get a nice, simple feeling from it.” That feeling is largely due to his bass lines, which married to precise drumming by the darkly domineering Stephen Morris, form New Order’s musical character.


 Bernard Sumner’s lead guitar usually takes second place. Their inclination toward sameness stems from unashamed use of disco rhythms, which spawned the commercial success of hits such as “Blue Monday.”

 With the release of Low-Life, the mist around this band may lift. They have placed their faces, albeit artistically distorted, on the sleeve, although it is typical that drummer Morris, and not vocalist and star-apparent Sumner, grace the front.


 The excellent video of “Perfect Kiss,” directed by Jonathan (Stop Making Sense) Demme, focuses point-blank on the individual members and their musicianship. “No models, no smoke bombs, no Mad Maxes here,” says Hook. Just three intense-looking men and a red-headed woman playing out their concentration spans in a Manchester rehearsal studio.


 Demme’s camera zooms in on their features and fingers, which, in keyboardist Gillian Gilbert’s case, are playing a melody comprising about six notes.



They are untrained and proud of it, like the old blues players who when asked if they could read music replied, “Not so it can hurt.”

 “It gives you more freedom to play what comes from within. Mind you, my fingers won’t go in the right places most of the time,” admits Hook. Adds Morris, “As long as what you’re doing is good, you don’t get frustrated.”


 The lyrics have always taken second place to mood and music. Sumner’s quavering tones are often mixed in production so they are heard below the instruments. Try to sing along to “Perfect Kiss.”

 “Often when a song is semifinished, we just go out and play it,” explains Hook. “We’ll jam the lyrics. It works quite well sometimes, but sometimes it’s really embarrassing. There’s always a string of obscenities. But as long as you look as if you mean it…as [Factory’s] Tony Wilson always says, ‘It’s Aaart.”


 This disorganization, which borders on arrogance, is, of course, endearing. Journalist Chris Bon, who toured with New Order in 1983, recalls a typical scene: Hook failed to show up at a concert in Washington, D.C., because he had passed out after drinking melon-ball cocktails.


 Manager Rob Gretton, who has a face like a leek, halfheartedly and unconvincingly stepped in. A couple of songs through the set, Hook turned up and greeted the audience cheerfully: “Hello, shitheads.”


 Now New Order is doing business with Qwest, Quincy Jones’ label, which boasts the considerable advantage of being distributed by Warner Brothers. They can look forward to the rerelease of Power, Corruption and Lies. MTV. An extensive summer tour. Back-to-back interviews. Paparazzi fighting over them. Will New Order become Pop Stars? Will they remember the fans who braved New York’s East Village to see them in the Ukrainian Home? Will they go on Solid Gold?


 “The single wasn’t engineered to be commercial,” says Morris in his North England burr. “We didn’t think, ‘Right, we’ve got to write a commercial song.'”


 “Anyway,” inquires Hook, “What does commercial mean? ‘I’ve heard it a lot of times and I like it,’ or ‘It doesn’t sound like Einstürzende Neubauten’?” No. Commercial means you could run the risk of becoming the next Police.”


 “The deal with Qwest is not what it seems to be,” explains Morris. “We’re not signed to them We’re not in a position where they can exert a tremendous amount of influence on us. They approached us. A lot of people who wanted to sign us didn’t want to give as much control as we wanted, and to compensate for that they offered us more money, but it didn’t seem a fair deal.”


 “The deal we got with Qwest seemed the best because of who they were and because they were interested in what we were gonna do.” And, adds Hook, “It’s quite flattering the Quincy Jones thinks our record, which we produced ourselves, ranks alongside his. That’s a compliment worth waiting for.”


 So what are their motivations now? They’ve been in the business for eight years, they’ve achieved adulation all over the world without having to wear silly clothes, they can play Hawaii because they want to. They’ve made money and put it back into their hometown (they own the local Hacienda nightclub).


 Morris: “We don’t really hope for anything, just that we will continue to be around and able to do this. It’s nice if people buy your records, you know, but you don’t desperately want it. All you want is the means to carry on with the next thing. I haven’t really got any illusions about stardom in America. It will just be more of what it is now, and we will have to deal with it pretty much the same way.”


 Sumner and the rest of New Order are too clever to want stardom—they always have been. They haven’t sold out, they are merely learning and progressing, which is (and I’m only guessing) what life is all about. That and optimism (“Let’s go out and have some fun,” sings Sumner on “Perfect Kiss”).


 Anyway, how can you doubt a guitarist who says, like Hook, that the highlight of his career “was this fight I had at the Factory. Me and this roadie had been out drinking. This kid hit this kid. I thought, ‘Fuck this,’ fell off the stage, and kicked the shit out of him. We got him to the back and he was yelling, ‘No, no, I’m a Joy Division fan.'”




Peter Hook on How New Order’s ‘Blue Monday’ Lost $100K;

 New Order’s 1983 synth classic “Blue Monday” is one of the most important and beloved songs of the new wave era. The nine-minute alt-dance opus influenced and inspired everyone from the Eurythmics’ Dave Stewart to electronic music pioneers Kraftwerk, and to this day it holds the record as the top-selling 12-inch single in recording history, shifting more than a million units in the band’s native U.K. alone. So how exactly did “Blue Monday” manage not only to make no profit but to actually lose a whopping $100,000?


 The Manchester group’s iconic founding bassist, Peter "Hooky" Hook, explains that it all came down to indie label Factory Records’ decision regarding the single’s very famous — but very expensive — packaging.








“[Graphic designer] Peter [Saville] came to the practice place, and he saw a floppy disk and he loved it,” Hook recalls, as he sat with Yahoo Music reflecting on his illustrious discography with both New Order and the band from which New Order sprang, the equally influential Joy division. “And he felt we should do the sleeve [to look] like this. … Unbeknownst to him, it had to be die-cut three times, which made the sleeve ridiculously expensive — which [New Order bandmate] Stephen Morris thought was hilarious, because you were paying for the bits that you didn’t get, the hole, where the card had gone!

 “But, yeah, the sleeve unfortunately cost 10p [approximately 20 cents] more than the record could earn, so every time we sold a copy of ‘Blue Monday,’ we were losing 10p,” Hook elaborates with a rueful chuckle: “It then went on to be the biggest-selling 12-inch of all time! I remember [Factory Records label head] Tony [Wilson] going to great trouble to cast a brass Factory symbol that said, ‘Well Done, Hooky!’ celebrating a loss of 50,000 pounds. … I suppose it really seals its place in history as a mythical being for that reason.”




Lastly a ticket and setlist from 1985;


 

1 Elegia

 2 Love Vigilantes 

3 Blue Monday

4 Thieves Like Us


5 Your Silent Face 

6 586

7 The Perfect Kiss

8 Sunrise

9 Face Up

10 Age of Consent

11 Ceremony 

12 Temptation

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05/2/2020 6:02 pm  #2109


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

I’ve got Low-Life on vinyl, and have always liked it, especially track 2 (The Perfect Kiss): there’s a bit on that song which has me taking my hands off the steering wheel and clapping (a double clap) every time I hear it……… in the car of course. In the house I just clap. Peter Hook’s bass lines on the song are great, especially when he plays high up the scales. And see in the video for this song, Gillian Gilbert is beautiful.
 
Always been a big fan of New Order, to the extent of buying DVDs too in the past: there’s only a few bands to which I stretched to that loyalty.
 
It’s an odd love affair I have with them: I don’t think Bernard Sumner is a particularly great guitarist, but the understated nature of his playing and singing compliments Hook on the bass, and one of the world’s best ever drummers for me, Stephen Morris. A great rhythm section!
 
Here’s a strange bit of information about Hook and Morris: they were taken into custody by the police on suspicion of being involved in the Yorkshire Ripper murders. Supposedly the touring schedule of Joy Division matched up with the police’s pattern of murders committed by Peter Sutcliffe.

 

06/2/2020 9:55 am  #2110


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Album 563
Dexy's Midnight Runners........................Don't Stand Me Down   (1985)









Though derided at the time for its long song lengths and rambling lyrics, Don’t Stand me Down has been looked back on as a cult classic. In this album, singer Kevin Rowland presents the listener with a musical conversation, giving the listener an insight into his life and thoughts.


 After releasing this album, the band continued to make new singles for another year before breaking up. There was no new material from the band until the 2010s, when they came back as Dexys.


 The album was rereleased, slightly restructured, in 2002. This is known as the ‘Director’s Cut’. It has the alternate cover with the band in the field. It includes the extra song Kevin Rowland’s 13th Time as track 1, and has several changes to track titles.


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17/2/2020 12:11 am  #2111


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Album 562
Simply Red..................................Picture Book   (1985)













Sorry about the sporadic posting, but this is what I hate about being a so called grown up, you can't do what you want when you want to, as life has a habit of getting in the way.


Anyways Picture Book,  I remember it a bit more fondly from when It first came out rather than my latest listen.

Back in '85 the girl I was going out with had this on cassette so obviously I liked it to (all these brownie points add up you know )


To be fair there are a few good tracks on this album and it's well produced, and yes he has a cracking voice, but it's just a bit meh for me these days, no' an album I had the willpower to listen to all the way through again until just now.


As  I said there were a couple of good tracks on here, I didn't realise that the tracks I liked the best Money's Too Tight (To Mention) and Heaven weren't written by him until today, how I didn't get the David Byrne song , Holding Back The Years is a solid tune but one I would be happy to hear only once or twice a year, it could become very grating after awhile.


So summing up, the abum was very mashed potatoes (pretty bland) Hucknall was/is a bit of an arse, another one who "If he was made of chocolate he'd eat himself" arrogant beyond belief, but he's rolling in it and Joe Cunt here has to get up at half five for the graft tomorrow, so I don't think he'll be too put out that I wont be buying his album.


This album wont be going into my collection (can you imagine that pus staring at you?)





Bits & Bobs;



Mick Hucknall FAQ

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  • When and where was Mick Hucknall born?
  • Mick was born at around 8.30 in the morning on June 8th 1960 at St Mary’s Hospital, Manchester, England.

  • How tall is he?
  • He’s 5 foot 11 inches tall.

  • What star sign is he?
  • He’s a Gemini.

  • Does he have any brothers or sisters?
  • No, Mick is a single child who was brought up by his father Reg with help from a local family (a lovely lady called Nellie Spike — who Mick refers to as his “Auntie Nellie” — and her 4 daughters).

  • Is he married?
  • No.

  • Does he have any children?
  • Yes, he has a daughter called Romy True Hucknall who was born in June 2007.

  • When did he form Simply Red?
  • In 1984.

  • Where did the name Simply Red come from?
  • People used to call Mick “Red” (because of his hair) so he was going to call the band Red but then he decided it didn’t sound right on it’s own so (after a few changes) he added the word Simply.

  • What does Mick have in his tooth?
  • At the time of writing it’s a diamond although this could always change! When Mick was a boy he saw a blues guitar player called Buddy Guy on TV. He had a diamond in his tooth and Mick thought it was the coolest thing. He decided if he ever had the money and the opportunity when he grew up he would do something like that. Mick initially had a ruby, but to celebrate the new millennium, he changed it to a diamond.


       10  Is Mick left or right handed?        He’s actually both! He writes and plays pool with his left hand but plays guitar and cricket right handed.





    In Defence Of Simply Red's Picture Book


    Wyndham Wallace , October 27th, 2010 06:49


    There are, it seems, many reasons to hate Mick Hucknall. He's arrogant, insincere, wealthy beyond our wildest dreams, a serial womaniser, a namedropper and – oh, the horror – red haired to boot. He's co-owned a restaurant with Sean Penn, had the gall to join the reformed Faces and sold over 50 million records of largely anodyne, dinner party soul. He's provoked Noel Gallagher to call him "Fanta-Pants… shit and fat" in an open letter to The Sun, been voted one of the Top 50 Worst Britons in a Channel 4 TV poll, and there's even a band called The Execution Of Mick Hucknall. The level of vitriol aimed at the man is perhaps best exhibited, however, on a website eruditely called Cunts Corner, where his inclusion is justified succinctly with the words "He is a talentless GINGER CUNT. Enough said." Clearly it wasn't enough: commentators refer to him as a "singing orang-utan", "Charlie Fuckin' Drake Cunt", "a hobbit-like cunt" and "even uglier than Adrian Chiles". You've got to work hard to earn an insult like that last one.


     All the same, Simply Red's debut album, Picture Book, is wonderful. You weren't expecting that, were you? No one, after all, has much good to say about the man who once claimed "Tony Blair's a friend. I've said to him, 'You should have waited on Iraq'. He listens." Obviously Blair didn't, but Hucknall's delusions of grandeur don't fade easily. At 2004's Vinitaly, the wine fair, he launched his own label, produced at his vineyard in Sicily and modestly named 'Il Cantante' (The Singer) with the words "I'm sure the wine will go down well with our Prime Minister, Tony Blair. He's a good friend of mine and, like me, loves your country." Such toe-curling comments are far from isolated: "I am one of the best singer-songwriters this country has produced," he's been frequently quoted as saying. "Ever. If people don't like me saying that, tough shit. You can't sell 50 million albums without something. Tom Jones told me only a few singers have got the pipes, and he's right. He has. Sinatra did. I have."


     It's clear that he does little to make himself likeable, obviously. But on Simply Red's debut album, Picture Book, he did. It's not a masterpiece, but it's still a great record. It's time to overcome your prejudices. There are arguably far more deserving candidates for such poison than a successful pop singer whose greatest crime appears to be that he's 'ginger'.



    Hucknall was raised in Manchester by his father, Reg, after his mother walked out on him when he was just three. He's said to have been one of the crowd at one of the two Manchester Free Trade Hall shows that the Sex Pistols played in the summer of 1976, the double whammy that inspired Joy Division and The Buzzcocks and was later immortalised in 24 Hour Party People. The art student went on to form The Frantic Elevators, but their post-punk sound never reached much beyond the city limits. It's perhaps not hard to hear why: 1979's 'Voice In The Dark' owes a heavy debt to The Buzzcocks, while the third of their four singles, 'Searching For The Only One' reveals a band torn between their punk inspiration and their own largely incompatible musical influences. Nonetheless, their second single, 'You Know What You Told Me', is an entertainingly bizarre racket of whistles, percussion and belches released by Erics in 1980, and 'I Am The Man', recorded for a 1981 Peel Session, reveals a love for reggae – later underlined by his admirable bankrolling of the critically acclaimed Blood & Fire label – before collapsing into an atonal noise jam. It was their fourth and final single, however – its front cover oddly depicting Hucknall with a gun in his mouth in an image eerily similar to the famous portraits of Kurt Cobain – that suggested the direction Hucknall was soon to take: 'Holding Back The Years' was released in 1982 and, above a surprisingly simple early rock 'n' roll arrangement, you can hear him testing his voice's limits, turning his back on the spittle-drenched posturing he'd attempted to date. The Frantic Elevators had gone as far as they could travel.

      By 1985 Hucknall's punk rock pretensions were nowhere to be heard, but few were predicting the gold-paved path he would soon take. Hucknall had paid his dues and his new band, Simply Red, included three former members of Durutti Column in their line up. Furthermore, his left wing inclinations were embraced by a music press eager, ironically, for credibility. This was, after all, a year in which western capitalist greed was arguably at its height – Margaret Thatcher was halfway through her second term, and January had seen Ronald Reagan's second inauguration as US president – but in which society was attempting to salve its conscience, beginning with Band Aid and USA For Africa and continuing in the summer with Live Aid. Hucknall's choice of debut single, therefore, was well timed, a slick cover of a 1982 disco tune, The Valentine Brothers' 'Money's Too Tight To Mention'. For the socially aware the tune was a godsend, a Top 20 hit that began with the lines "I've been laid off from work, my rent is due / My kids all need brand new shoes / So I went to the bank to see what they could do / They said "'Son, looks like bad luck got a hold on you'". Referencing Reaganomics and "that old man that's over the hill", Hucknall even managed a sly dig at Reagan's wife: "Did the earth move for you, Nancy?"


     Not everyone embraced the band wholeheartedly. Melody Maker reviewed Picture Book cautiously, advising readers to "forget the soul stuff and you've got one of the better debuts of the year". NME meanwhile declared that "Picture Book's soul-by-numbers is as cliché-ridden as the ugliest offspring of Gothic interbreeding." But both papers still put Hucknall on the front cover. If you wanted someone to smuggle contempt for the rich/poor divide into the mainstream, Simply Red looked like they offered safe hands. But there was more to the record than that. Whatever NME and Melody Maker might have said, Hucknall knew how to sing. He might have spent the next quarter of a century hammering that point home with all the subtlety of the insults that have since been thrown at him, but as he suggests Tom Jones told him, Hucknall has "the pipes". He's simply done everything he can since to turn the concept of soul into a series of meaningless, too-many-notes mannerisms.


     These days, of course, it's hard to divorce music from its creators, and if Picture Book is judged in the light of Mick Hucknall's subsequent slide into serial-shagging champagne socialist capable of disgusting even the coffee table owning, tabloid reading masses who buy his records then it's unlikely that it's going to get a fair hearing. The record itself, though, was born in a council flat to the unemployed, soul music-loving son of a man who had earned £75 a week cutting hair in Stockport, and it's in this context – if any has to be considered – that it should be examined. Hucknall knew what it was to suffer, and his new musical direction was far from a pose. Picture Book's mainstream production might not endear it to those who prefer their diamonds in the rough: such techniques are about the only part of the era's musical trappings that are yet to be revived, meaning that those who didn't grow up with the record need to overcome a double fist of prejudices, personal and stylistic.

      But amidst the contemporary pristine synths and jazz club brass backing lies an authenticity that Hucknall was never able to replicate, his financially strapped roots soon to be smothered by unimaginable riches, his social conscience increasingly removed from the lifestyle his newfound wealth afforded him. 'Sad Old Red''s "We don't have streets, just pure concrete" is hardly an exaggerated cry for pity and instead a surprisingly understated but evocative image, while on the bitter 'Look At You Now' he owns up to his ambition and its origins, something very much a common theme in the genre he was now exploring: "You threw me away like litter in the gutter / I had to pick myself up and find something better". Soul used to be characterised by people using music to raise themselves beyond their surroundings, articulating their plight with passion, and amidst the mainstream success of the likes of Billy Ocean and Philip Bailey, Hucknall actually helped restore, if briefly, the genre's conscience. The fact that Picture Book is also the sound of a man who, in learning how to articulate his feelings, forgot what it was he wanted to say, shouldn't detract from the one slab of vinyl where he succeeded. It's simply a tremendous album, a classic of the blue-eyed soul genre, full of both heartfelt sentiment and vicious anger. To call it a guilty pleasure is to damn it with faint praise. Hucknall deserves credit where credit is due.


     It starts with 'Come To My Aid', keyboards stabbed over a rolling bassline and tight guitar riffs before Hucknall comes in, his vocal discreetly low in the mix, its joyful tone masking lyrics that start out seemingly inclined towards the romantic – "Come to my aid, you're sweet as everything" – before revealing their true purpose, an attack on a benefit system that was failing the very people it was meant to support: "Prouder than wild, sad enough to sing / Come to my aid and care for social living". In fact the song is a rallying cry for socialist values, the words of its bridge transparent – "Why are we liable to die for survival / Why is our nation divided?" – and further emphasised by Hucknall's growing frustration as the song develops, his voice raised and then unravelling as he sings the final words of the second verse, "In the poverty stakes see just what it means / When welfare decimates you'd better care / About your fellow people". By the time he's inviting his audience repeatedly to "come on board" it sounds like he's writing slogans for a political party, and the theme of social injustice is carried over into the more abstract 'Jericho', seemingly a dialogue between a wealthy businessman and his son – "I'll make you a career in the business I'm in" – for whom money is "your only inspiration and your only meaning".

      Money, interestingly, is a common theme through Hucknall's work, something he shares with others who have risen from humble backgrounds to stardom, and his conclusion here that "if you ain't rich then you won't go to the ball" is surely something that helps explain why he's so willing to discuss what he's earned since. "I was on the dole for four years and living on £25 a week for that length of time is quite testing," he told The Times, before turning to the subject of investment. "I have a vineyard and villa in Sicily and an apartment in Milan, but my main property is a five-bedroom house in Surrey. It's got a swimming pool and recording studio and is set in five acres. I bought it in 1995 for £1.3m — it's worth £5m now." Smug though he may these days be, back in 1985 he was clearly livid at the fact that money seemed out of his reach, a reward for breeding rather than hard work, his use of the past tense in the song's disenchanted final lines only now somewhat ironic: "Money was a thing that I believed in".


     But it wasn't all about politics and money. 'Open Up The Red Box' may have hints that wealth for some may not bring happiness to all – "Why don't you look at the price I'm paying" – but, lyrically, it's more distinguished for its vicious attacks on individuals whose identities have sadly been somewhat lost in the mists of time:
     "Peer in, looking for that crasher again,
    You ruined Terry's party last night.
    An overweight greasy little man with a mouth
    That opens more than now and again"
     and, later on:
     "Lopez, I hate you for the state you're in,
    Lopez, your hair it washes out, it washes in.
    You ropey little fat boy, Lopez,
    Come on, get lost".
     Such levels of bile are rarely articulated in chart pop, but they're mirrored on 'Look At You Now', where he addresses a former lover – or, possibly, his mother – with the words "Look at you now, behaving like a fool / A long time ago you treated me so mean but / Look at you now" before rejecting attempts at reconciliation with "Don't talk about birthdays, that don't mean a thing to me / Don't throw it in my face, it's too sweet to sting". His sense of pride, yet to transform into arrogance, is palpable in the galloping pace of the track and Hucknall's triumphant delivery, a less than polite "fuck you" to a woman who's spurned him. A concise three minutes long, it distils the fury of one who has been hard done by and who has gone on to rise above it. You could read this as another foreshadowing of how Hucknall would soon abandon his righteous anger in favour of smooth self-righteous self-justification, but that would detract from the enjoyment of this skin-tight white funk and Hucknall's vocal acrobatics, which see him jumping octaves between his high-pitched delight in, and growling disgust at, the antics of his subject.


     Rather more vulnerable, however, is 'Sad Old Red', in which he revels, against a sublime nightclub jitter, in the self-pity of a man whose love has left. "I'm not glad when I get home / I'm sad old red, I don't wanna be alone," he wails, as the brass flares around him and the smoke curls up to the ceiling, and he goes on to describe this home in terms that would make Jimmy McGovern proud: "It's a cubic room, two holes peep through / Shadows on the wall of trees so tall / I think of her again, the joy she used to bring." No matter if he now owns a Surrey estate and a vineyard: that doesn't make the weight of these words any less.


     Such tenderness is also on display on a magical interpretation of Talking Heads' 'Heaven', which sees Hucknall slow down the pace and transform the track into a slow-burning, yearning slice of sweet soul, his epiphany that "It's hard to imagine that nothing at all / Could be so exciting" delivered with true conviction. And it's that conviction that is really the reason why Picture Book still sounds great a quarter of a century later: even if you've got no idea what Hucknall is singing about – "Here by the side of the book (we beseech thee, we beseech thee) / Here by the side of Piero's spirit", anyone? – he dazzles with his performance, getting under the skin of these songs, his voice astonishing, his backing as inch perfect as a Stax house band. Yep, you read that right: listen to the title track, its dub bass and snare drum echoing in a space that only Hucknall can fill, his voice swelling from its mumbled, somehow defeated opening lines to the defiance of its chorus, cracking in places as though he can barely breathe. Listen to his syncopated delivery on 'Open Up The Red Box', the way he can phrase things so that they sound completely natural even when their scansion is at odds with the overall rhythm of the tune, or the way he can scuttle through lines like "A long time ago you treated me so mean" and "Don't throw it in my face" (on 'Look At You Now'), then reach high with "I had to pick myself up" moments later.
      And then there's 'Holding Back The Years', that first-dance-at-a-wedding tune which, in actual fact, is a lament for his childhood. "Strangled by the wishes of pater," he sings, admittedly adopting a curious private school Latin for the sake of the rhyme, "hoping for the arms of mater… I've wasted all my tears / Wasted all those years / And nothing had the chance to be good." It's another perfectly poised piece of bitter-sweet soul, the strings restrained, the trumpet solo muted, Hucknall's voice wavering with emotion, slowly building towards a pained, defiant announcement that "I'll keep holding on, holding, holding, holding" before he crumples into an inarticulate heap and concludes "that's all I have today / That's all I have to say".


     It wasn't. Though in some ways it was. He's gone on to inflict another 24 years of largely bland, over-polished, watered-down slush into a world already overflowing with MacDonalds culture, his early beliefs defended with pompous and superficial comments like "I am not prepared to change my politics to suit my bank balance. You either believe in social justice or you don't" whilst bed-hopping with such regularity that no one could ever call him 'Sad Old Red' again. So you can hold him at least partially responsible for the hideous histrionics we suffer from the likes of X Factor diva wannabes, though there are plenty of far worthier targets for your revulsion. You can rail against him for daring to take on Rod Stewart's role in The Faces, though given what The Mod himself has since become over the past couple of decades that seems somewhat pointless. There's no law to stop you hating him for the colour of his hair, either, though the man has a more than fair point that this is akin to racism. And you can call him ugly, though that seems fairly pointless given the notches on the man's bedpost, and – like the torrent of abuse he faces for being 'ginger' – completely beside the point when considering his music.


     All these things do is demonstrate how little you care about music. The truth is, whether he's likeable or not remains irrelevant. What matters is, as with any musician, his legacy. And though that legacy is, for the most part, as valuable as the furry dice that swung above the car stereos that played most of Hucknall's records, it contains one record of substantial and long lasting value. Perhaps if he'd died young – as so many people seem to wish he had – such an opinion might be more widespread. So if it helps, picture him curled up in a puddle of his own vomit, blood dribbling from his nose, or perhaps leaping from a 15th floor window like Donny Hathaway. Perhaps you'd like to imagine that he was shot by his mother in some bizarre re-enactment of Marvin Gaye's murder, or crushed and left paralysed by falling lighting equipment. Do whatever it takes to consider Picture Book in isolation, because for its forty minutes and thirty three seconds' duration, Mick Hucknall was the real thing, hard though it might be now to believe. Cringe if you need at the glossy production, but at least give him props for not overdressing the shop window like the likes of Winehouse and Duffy. He inhabits these songs, teasing unexpected melodies and shapes out of them, feeling them, expressing himself with real candour. One can only wonder what he might have become if the fame hadn't gone to his head.



    "Moneys Too Tight (To mention)"

     
    This song was written and originally recorded in 1982 by The Valentine Brothers, which was the Columbus, Ohio duo of Billy and John Valentine.



    The song is about a guy going through some tough times financially, but getting no help from friends, family, or the bank. Many people would love to help, but are in the same position he is. America was going through a recession at the time, which triggered the song's lyric. "Our overall objective was to bring messages in our music that were in tune with what's going down today," Billy Valentine said. "That's certainly what's happened with 'Money's Too Tight.'"


     
    The original version of this song did well in the UK as an import, which led to a deal with Energy Records to release it in Britain. In 1983, it reached #73 UK and got the attention of Simply Red, who released it as their first single, with the stylized title "Money$ Too Tight (To Mention)." The song caught on in their native England, where a lagging economy made it an appropriate selection for the time. It made #13 UK and helped the Picture Book album rise to #2. Led by the dynamic lead singer Mick Hucknall, Simply Red became one of the most popular acts in the UK and also charted two #1 singles in America: "Holding Back The Years" and their cover of "If You Dont Know Me By Now."


     
    The Valentine Brothers had been through some financial hardship that helped inspire the lyric. When they moved from Ohio to Los Angeles, they had trouble getting a good job in the industry, so they took a lot of club gigs. They hooked up with the touring production of The Wiz in 1977 as musicians and understudies (Billy for The Wiz, John for the Tin Man). When the production closed in 1979, they once again struggled to make ends meet. Their first, self-titled, album was released later that year, and three years later the album First Take, featuring "Money's Too Tight," was issued.


     
    In the Valentine Brothers original, they mention Reaganomics, which is the term for US president Ronald Reagan's economic policies. Instead of altering the line, Simply Red doubled down on the Reagan bashing, with Mick Hucknall repeating these lines at the end of the song:


    We're talking about Ronnie Ronnie
    Did the earth move for you Nancy?




    Nancy is a reference to Reagan's wife, the first lady Nancy Reagan.





    I found this QI;

    Seeing Red
     Sat, Jan 27, 1996, 00:00

     SHEILA WAYMAN

    ARROGANT. Rude. Egotist. No concern for others. Judging by the identikit picture of Mick Hucknall, many of his talents lie in being obnoxious. Attracting nicknames such as Amply Fed and Simply Bed, even the physique of the Simply Red lead singer is considered a legitimate target for snide remarks.



     It's hardly surprising then that he tells all who care to listen how much he detests the press. Print journalists always have the last word, he moans. They're judge and jury.



     But with his personal wealth estimated at Pounds 10 million, and the five Simply Red albums having notched up sales of 26 million worldwide, the 35 year old Mancunian can safely say, a good press who needs it? Yet the misconceptions and prejudices he says certain British newspapers have perpetuated clearly still rankle. And even "silly books they write about me" have got in on the act, quoting disgruntled musicians who have served time in his band about how unpleasant he is to work with.



     But the flame haired master of funky soil and reggae mixes, is the first job admit he has no time for pretentious pleasantries or false modesty. "I'd like to just say I am good at what I do and I can prove it. Journalists don't like me because I have got an opinion." As for his reputation for firing musicians from his band, there's a misconception, he says, that the impetus for this always comes from him. Often it's other members of the band approaching him and saying they can't work with one particular player, he explains.



     Manipulative or misunderstood, it's irrelevant to the 60,000 plus fans who filled Europe's biggest indoor venue - the Nynex arena in Manchester - over three consecutive nights this week. He had them dancing in the tiers with the band's stupendous Life show.



     Backstage, on Monday afternoon, his prompt arrival for an interview with The Irish Times doesn't suggest a petulant star. Dressed in a Nike tracksuit of navy trousers and red, white and blue top, he strolls into the hospitality room with a small, delicate white china cup of espresso in his hand.



     The hallmark red tresses which frame his round face are tramelled in neat dreadlocks, considerably curtailed from the ostentatious lengths they once were. With hair that colour, it's no surprise to hear that this loyal Manchester United fan would be qualified to play soccer for Ireland.



     "My mother's family is Irish, and also my grandmother on my father's side I found out last year," he explains, with a flash of the ruby embedded in a front tooth. But before enterprising genealogists rush for the family trees in advance of the band's visit to Dublin next month, it must be said that he has no intention of seeking out his family roots. In fact, he doesn't even have any interest in looking up his own mother. As far as he is concerned, when Maureen Hucknall walked out of the family home in Denton, east Manchester, leaving her three year old son, she made a choice for life. He certainly wasn't impressed with a phone call out of the blue more than 20 years later, when he was number two in the charts, nor with a subsequent spread in the Sun. But isn't he maybe being a bit hard on her?



     I THINK it's very easy for people outside to make those kind of irresponsible judgments when they don't know the reality. I had a father who looked after me for 21 years, who was there for me every single day - a cooked breakfast, a cooked dinner every day. And I'm supposed to say to him, 'oh forget about all that. I'm just going to start a complete reunion with my mother who I've never met since I was three; I'm sure you're going to be absolutely fine about that'? Of course he was just devastated when she tried to get in touch with me. I've nothing against my mother, and my father never said bad things about her, just said she left because she wanted to leave. If I was plumber Mick living in Dent on, do you think she would be calling me up?



     "I didn't miss her when I was a kid," he stresses, explaining, how, from the age of three to 11, he was cared for by a neighbour, Aunt Nellie, and her four daughters, while his father, Reg, was out working in a barber's shop. "I had a really happy childhood."



     Yet undoubtedly the unconventional nature of his upbringing has coloured his adult attitude to life. While ridiculing the notion of a New Man tag, he has never had any preconceptions of women as old style wives. "I never had a woman to cook and clean for me when I was a kid."



     But confusion among his peers in the struggle between the sexes to understand their modern roles has provided the theme for one track on Life - Never Never Love: "So now we've got our independence, what are we gonna do with it?" he sings.



     "I have a theory that a lot of men when they search for their wives, they look for mummy replacements," he says. "I don't think that a lot of younger women these days are prepared to fill that role and I think you're going to see a temporary rise in homosexuality in both sexes - you're already seeing it actually - where both men and women are turning to the same sex for help, basically, for companionship, because they can't relate."



     Glibly labelled as a "man who loves women", his undoubted sex appeal has always mystified other men. His close friend and manager since 1980, Elliot Rashman is quoted as saying: "Even when he was an ugly runt at art school, girls always gravitated to him."



     UNDOUBTEDLY spoiled for choice, Hucknall says when he's not working he has had relationships that have lasted up to a year or two. Is that long? "One year, two year relationship without getting married? That's pretty good actually," and he smiles through his intense blue eyes. "I've had great relationships and the only reason they've ended is because of my work it's like, here he goes, one more time around the world. See you in a year and a half."


     But this is all going to change, he says. Planning to keep the Lee tour on the road until the middle of next year, "then I'm probably not going to do any more shows until, like 2001, 2002. And if I do any then, they will be small theatres and they will be shows that will base themselves totally on musical performance rather than show, show, show."



     Personal reasons, namely the biological clock, play no small part in this decision. Describing fatherhood, as still "a distant aspiration", one of the world's most eligible bachelors adds: "I'm definitely getting those hormonal things". And if he's going to be a parent, he wants to do it properly "like my dad did".




     "I realise when I come to have a family I'm going to sacrifice a part of my life, which will probably include a major part of my work. And I am prepared to do that. I just realise how much the real time you spend with your kids when they're younger benefits them when they're older. Also, like what is the point in having a kid if you're not going to be there when it grows up? That's the best time surely, to watch them grow, before they walk away from you."




     If his desire for hands on parenting is another legacy of his childhood, so too is his persistent sense of being an outsider and a loner. The combination of being the only redhead in class at Audenshaw grammar school and an only child, necessitated a defence of independence. Opting to study fine art in Manchester Poly and embracing the punk movement expressed that sense of being a teenager apart from his mates.



     It must have seemed rather presumptuous for the 21 year old lead singer of a struggling punk band, the Frantic Elevators, to say: "If I can sell records and remain reclusive, then that's my ideal". One band and 14 years later, Mick Hucknall has certainly achieved the former; but the latter, surely not?
      "I think I am very reclusive actually. I spend a lot of time on my own," he says of life on the move between his bases in Manchester, Milan, Paris and London. And that's when he's not on tour. "I very much enjoy solitude."



     It's certainly the flip side of what he'll be doing in a few hours' time when he goes out on stage to the adulation of thousands of ecstatic fans. Stretching out astonishingly long and bony fingers, he scribbles a diagram of the set. Its design reflects his belief that the performance is "not about me walking on the stage, saying 'look at me, I'm sexy and gorgeous and admire me'. It's about going out there and saying, 'hey you, you've just paid for your ticket and I'm going to cheer you up'." With an ingenious, treble clef shaped stage and That Voice, he achieves the impossible: an intimate show for the masses.



     From the hypnotic ballad of Holding Back The Years, to the raunchy The Right Thing and the foot stomping Money's Too Tight To Mention, he displays an astonishing vocal range, soaring from throaty growls to choirboy heights.



     Typical of the man, there is no gushing of: "It's great to be home". The only concession to the place that's in it is his announcement that Manchester United are 1-0 up at half time against West Ham. (And Eric Cantona, "a personal friend", scored.) Otherwise he treats the show as if it was anywhere else in the world. But it wasn't always like that.



     "Sometimes the home town thing can kind of hang you round the neck. I don't know if Bono feels that way when he is in Dublin, but for many, many years I have always felt like I had to prove myself here. The reality is they don't want that, they just want a show."


      And it's some show. There isn't a moment's sag in nearly two hours of non stop exuberance. Swaggering down the walkways in black, patent leather boots and a black, three piece suit with an open necked white shirt, he discards the jacket and then the waistcoat as he turns the heat up to a frenzied climax.



     Despite always coming off the stage on a great high, live performance isn't the part of the job that gives the consummate professional bandleader the greatest kick.



     "It's knowing that Mr and Mrs Bloggs yesterday went into the record shop and bought a copy of the Life album and like it - that's my award. I don't really care for anything else. To get awards from your contemporaries is nice, like when I got the Ivor Novello award in 1991 for songwriter of the year - that meant a lot to me." But he dismisses the British Phonographic Industry, responsible for the Brit awards, as "just a bunch of carpet salesmen".



     He says the record companies are totally out of touch with the technological developments which will make supply of music down the phone line to home computers the norm within five to 10 years. "They don't even know that the CD is already dead in the water."



     ASKED what, musically, he still wants to achieve, Hucknall pauses: "I see myself always trying to achieve musical excellence. That's what I was going for from my very first album (Picture Book, 1985). I'd like to leave behind seven or eight really good albums that can stand the test of time. None of the albums are in the deletion racks; they're still at top price and they're still selling. That's how bland it is," he adds with a sarcastic jibe at dismissive music critics. As far as he's concerned, the one in three British homes which has a Simply Red album can't be wrong. "If I'm bland, then the nation's bland I'm afraid," adds the staunch Labour supporter.



     Although he has written all the work both on Life and its predecessor, Stars (1991), he doesn't rule out recording cover tracks again. His writing is very much an inspirational process.



     "I think of them as slightly cosmic transcendental messages," he laughs. "I write my singing into a machine like this," and he points to the micro cassette recorder on the table. "You do sometimes think, where the hell did that come from?"



     All his writing is done in the quiet time between tours, during which he can also indulge in his love of entertaining friends, cooking, travel and sport. A regular visitor to Old Trafford he confesses, however, that he prefers to watch the games on television. "I like the analysis, I like the build up and, more importantly, I like the replays.



     Showing no signs of on the road excesses, his clear complexion glows with good health. The boyish red Pippin cheeks seem to have matured into leaner, tanned versions - "for today" he says, explaining that water retention can rapidly alter his appearance. Jogging is a regular part of his regime. What, without being pestered?



     "The secret is to keep moving," he grins as he stands up to terminate with a handshake what was a lengthy, courteous interview. The soundcheck for tonight is long overdue.



     Well, what about those accusations of an inconsiderate, loud mouthed lout? On today's evidence certainly, case dismissed.
     




    Here's the two songs mentioned earlier, see what you think, I know which ones I prefer!




     










    Gonna try and get back to the one album a day like I wanted to, might try and get Dexys done the night, and have a fresh slate tomorrow.   


    But  "The best laid plans of Mice and Men oft go awry"
     

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    17/2/2020 12:17 pm  #2112


    Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

    Album 564

    Scritti Politti.............................Cupid And Psyche 85   (1985)











    A shower of ridiculously dated, monstrously overproduced, squeaky-voiced, blue-eyed pap, this is nonetheless one of the greatest records to emerge from the eighties. Each song is a towering synth-pop spectacle that pounds and dazzles in equal measure and beneath the mindless pop exterior there is a hyper-keen intellect that truly sets it apart from the competition.



    The opener Word Girl is a straight up masterpiece. Over a cute reggae groove, Green Gartside excoriates ever so sensitively about the very use of the word 'girl' within the context of a pop song. The chorus is heavenly sweet and the haunted outro aches with an exquisite eternal longingness that is almost too painfully pretty to endure. Album centrepiece Perfect Way is a big, brash pop symphony that pulls out all the stops and then snaps and stamps on them for good measure. Absolute and Wood Beez are two anguished, Arif Mardin-assisted dancefloor stompers that still sound thoroughly massive to this day. The latter, positioned near the end of the record, is a completely ravishing show stealer.



    Besides the beefy hit singles, there are many other meaty moments to savour. Lover To Fall is a dinky little ditty with an amazingly addictive chorus and I Don't Work That Hard is a bright and breezy, effortlessly joyful pop gem. A Little Knowledge is a fantastically woozy ballad that plays a bit like a bizarre cartoon duet, perhaps for a Don Bluth movie, and Small Talk is a crunching whirlpool of finely programmed guitar and bleats and bloops. Hypnotize is a purposefully hollow hip hop excursion that wraps up the record in gleefully inane fashion. Perfect in its own way, Cupid & Psyche 85 thrives from its gaudy, disposable pop pretensions and becomes essentially one of the top 10 album releases of the decade.


    I don't know a lot, but I know what I like!
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    24/2/2020 4:13 am  #2113


    Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

    I've never quite understood the hatred for Mick Hucknall. Quite a talented guy imo. Good singer and I've actually never found him to come across as arrogant in interviews. I think there is a bit of snobbery at play regards him and maybe even a wee bit of good old fashioned jealousy.

    This is a great track and performance. And the song is only two or three chords. Not easy to do that btw (believe me I've tried). The line 'Strangled by the wishes of Pater...hoping for the arms of Mater'. That always hit me hard.


     

     

    24/2/2020 12:10 pm  #2114


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    Album 565.
    Elvis Costello And The Attractions............................Blood And Chocolate (1986)









    After the acrimony surrounding King Of America Elvis Costello took his backing band, The Attractions, into the studio in the summer of 1986 for a curtain call. As he closed the first decade of his career, Costello was making major changes both in his career and his personal life, and they all seemed to be coming to a head on Blood and Chocolate.


     Bringing things full circle, Nick Lowe was asked to produce in an attempt to get the album done as quickly as possible “…at something approaching stage volume,” according to Costello. The production and the tension in the band created probably the hardest edge to The Attractions' sound since 1978’s This Year's Model. From the 2005 liner notes, Costello states:

    “When the spill from bass channel bled onto the drum microphones, we simply turned down the direct signal in order to rebalance. This accounted for both the murky, booming sound of some tracks and our inability to play at a very low dynamic throughout this record. In fact it often made us sound as if we were playing wearing boxing gloves. But somehow this also became a virtue.”


     This would be the last time the band recorded together for another eight years and would provide fractures in Costello’s relationship with bassist Bruce Thomas that would never quite heal. The album showed the worst chart showing for Costello since his debut (No. 16 U.K., No. 84 U.S.), and it would be nearly three years before he put another album on record store shelves.


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    25/2/2020 12:33 am  #2115


    Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

    Album 563
    Dexy's Midnight Runners........................Don't Stand Me Down   (1985)












    Gonna make this quickish as I'm gonna try and get the next album done as well tthe night.



    No' really made my mind up about this platter, I've only played it once but can't make my mind up if it's utter shite or tainted genius, as most people know I hate long drawn out songs but the 12 minute This Is What She's Like has got something aboot it in my humbles.


    This for me was a departure from the previous albums and I'm no' sure if it's to my taste as there are a few long tracks and quite a bit of pish slavering, and yet I still feel like I should stick with it, so am going to download it and stick it on the subbies bench fir now.


    This album wont be going into my collection for now (but who knows later?)





    Bits & Bobs;


    Have written previously about this lot in posts #1647 & #1803 (if interested)



    This Is What She's Like


    The centerpiece of Dexys Midnight Runners' Don't Stand Me Down album, this mini-opera ran for just short of twelve and a half minutes. Trombonist Jim Paterson commented to The Guardian in 2014: "It's not really a pop song, more of a classical piece: three separate symphonies. When we play it live now it can be 22 minutes long."


     
    The lyrics came to frontman Kevin Rowland as he was going off to sleep. He recalled: "Those words – "What's she like? Tell me what's she like" – and melodies just came. It didn't sound like anything."


    "It's a love song, but it's got a s--tlist in there about the English upper classes," he added. "I wouldn't write that now, but back then I hated them very passionately."


     
    The 'Little Nibble' mentioned in the opening dialogue is a cafe in Bearwood Road, Smethwick in which the band used to meet up for tea-drinking sessions.


     
    The Don't Stand Me Down album was a commercial failure upon release, in part due to Kevin Rowland's stubborn refusal to release a single. Without anything being played on the radio, the LP died at the hands of the paying public. This song was eventually released as a single, but it was unable to kickstart any sales.


    Don't Stand Me Down is now considered something of a lost treasure: It was featured in the book, 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die, who refer to it as a "towering achievement, one that can be viewed as Pet Sounds for the 1980s."




    I Love You (Listen to This)



    Originally titled "Listen To This" on the 1985 release of Don't Stand Me Down, the song was given its new title on the 1996 "Director's cut" reissue of the album.


     
    Vocalist Kevin Rowland told The Guardian about the genesis of this song. "We'd been to America, doing interviews all day long, meeting the record company – and you're supposed to do a gig after that," he recalled. "It was demeaning. I was dragging the songs out live, trying to find an intensity in them that I never could, and it all seemed a bit empty really. I felt we were compromising."


    "Then I fell in love. I was torn: obsessed with her but not enjoying the band," he continued. "The opening line – 'I was thinking of a compromise when I saw the beauty in your eyes' – just came out."

     
    The Dexys performed this in September 1985 on the UK Channel 4 music show The Tube.





      “One Of The Greatest Records Ever Made”: Dexy’s “Don’t Stand Me Down”

    By Every Record Tells A Story.




    In March 1985, Kevin Rowland, lead singer and songwriter of Dexy’s Midnight Runners was facing total ruin. “Don’t Stand Me Down”, his labour of love and an album he had spent two years of his life writing, recording and mixing, might just have been burned in a fire at the record label’s office in New York, and lost forever. Two years work, and possibly the best album of the eighties might just have gone up in smoke…


     This news came just a few weeks after he had failed in an attempt to steal the tape back from the studio he was mixing it in after an unpaid bill meant it was being held to ransom. But both of these incidents were just two of a long line of setbacks in recording the follow up to the three million selling Too-Rye-Ay.


     The attempted theft happened, according to record producer Alan Winstanley * when Kevin and the band “allegedly grabbed the tapes, ran through the Electric Lady studio, straight through reception….got to the car, and the chauffeur had gone off for a cup of coffee…the door was locked! A studio employee foiled the getaway.”


     And the fire? After the tapes were released they were stored at the record company office in New York. The office below suffered a fire and for a week no one could enter Phonogram’s offices to see whether the tape had survived. We can only imagine Rowland’s state of mind for that week…


     The tape survived, as it happens. And although the album that resulted was, by all commercial measures, a failure, it remains an artistic triumph and one of the most important albums of the eighties.


     Some 29 years later, I was at a record fair thumbing through some Gerry Rafferty and Linda Ronstadt LPs with gloom in my soul, when my heart leapt. There it was: the purple cover of “Don’t Stand Me Down”. It’s a record rich in beach boy harmonies, a “Blonde On Blonde” vibe and Van Morrison-esque soul which has barely dated since its release in 1985, but which was born out of tremendously difficult circumstances and, as I hinted earlier, on release was almost entirely ignored by the general public.


     I should probably pause for breath at this point as you may find yourself in one of three camps:


    1  Those who know and love “Don’t Stand Me Down”.



    2  Those who thought Dexy’s split up after “Come On Eileen”.



    3  Anyone under the age of (roughly) thirty five, the vast majority of which will never have heard of Dexy’s Midnight Runners. (This is a strange fact, but one I have tested on many occasions. Whilst most people born in the eighties will generally be aware of Wham, Boy George and Adam Ant, very few in comparison will know Dexy’s Midnight Runners, despite how huge they were, particularly in the UK).



    I told the dealer I bought the record from how pleased I was to find it. “Well, it’s only one of the best albums ever made…” he said, as though this was received wisdom, akin to “The Beatles were a good band” or “never eat yellow snow”. Yet, like many people, this is an album I came to quite late.



     Let’s start from the beginning.



     In April 1983 “Come On Eileen” reached the top of the Billboard charts, knocking off Michael Jackson’s “Billie Jean”. The album sold millions. Yet whilst band leader Kevin Rowland had experienced success, it left him feeling unfulfilled. His reaction to this feeling was encapsulated in the making of “Don’t Stand Me Down” which began as a vision of Rowland’s socio-political view of Ireland but ended up being a more personal record. After nine months of writing, demos were made in the spring of 1984 featuring a band which included Atomic Rooster keyboardist Vincent Crane and ex-Spider from Mars Mick “Woody” Woodmansey. These songs were recorded, dumped, and re-recorded.

     Three weeks in the studio became six months. Two hundred boxes of tape reels revealed the lengths perfectionist Rowland was going to. There were tales of 120 versions of “This Is What She’s Like”. Eight months into recording, only two songs had been completed and the record company were getting a little nervous. Strangely, the turning point appeared to be when Al Green’s drummer Tim Dancy replaced Woodmansey. A flurry of songs were recorded by September 1984 and then Rowland began mixing the album – in New York. This took another two months, the release date was scheduled for spring 1985….


     Yet still Kevin Rowland wasn’t happy, and he spent another two weeks mixing the tapes at Electric Lady studio. The record company refused to pay the bills, and Electric Lady reputedly threatened to withhold the master tapes, leading to the incident that began this story.


     But what about the music?

     It is perhaps the twelve and a half minute suite “This Is What She’s Like” that most separates “Don’t Stand Me Down” from the foot-stomping rag-wearing cartoon version of Dexy’s that has been the traditional floor-filling staple of every party ever held since 1983. What a tune this is! Two minutes of studio chatter gives way to a killer first phase, which fades to a gorgeous a cappella “Pet Sounds” style harmony, which builds across a killer finale that knocks “Come On Eileen” into a cocked hat.


     Listen also to the “Satellite of Love” feel to the reflective “My National Pride”. Or even the absolute outright thievery of the excellent “One of Those Things”, a song which Kevin Rowland belatedly gave Warren Zevon songwriting credit to (it is a terrific song, but a complete lift of the latter’s “Werewolves of London”) saying in the liner notes to a later re-issue he was “embarrassed” he hadn’t credited Zevon before. There’s also the hit-single-that-never-was of “I Love You (Listen To This)”.


     Meanwhile the eight minute closing track “The Waltz” might have sat comfortably on “Tupelo Honey” without ever feeling like it had gate-crashed an Ambassador’s reception. This was an album released in 1985, which, to remind ourselves, was also the year of No Jacket Required, Songs From The Big Chair and Wham!’s Make It Big.

     Don’t Stand Me Down entered the UK charts at a lowly 22, three years after the release of Too-Rye-Ay. It would take many years before it was recognised as being one of the greatest albums of the eighties.



     


     


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    25/2/2020 2:35 am  #2116


    Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

    Album 564

    Scritti Politti.............................Cupid And Psyche 85   (1985)











    This is an album I had back in the day, and listening to it again brings back some brilliant images in my mind of the 80's. This couldn't be anything but an 80's album, very much of it's time and probably wont have aged well for some, but for me maybe nostalgically I loved every minute of it, like bumping into an old mate you'd lost touch with and still getting on like a house on fire.


    Kicking off with The Word Girl  (probably my favourite track) all the way through to Hypnotise every track on a scale of good to very good, I can see why some might think it a wee bit too poppy/sugary, but for me this was a great "take me back"  abum and I'm 'avin' it.


    This album will be going into my vinyl collection
    (nostalgia )






    Bits & Bobs;

    Founded by a group of Leeds, England-based art students in 1978, by the time of their first single, ‘Skank Bloc Bologna’, the nucleus of Scritti Politti was Green Gartside (Paul Julian Strohmeyer, 22 June 1956, Cardiff, Wales; vocals/guitar), Matthew Kay (keyboards) and Tom Morley (drums) and Nial Jinks (bass, departed 1980). At this stage, the band was explicitly political (Green had been a Young Communist and the band’s Italian-derived name translates roughly as ‘political writings’), encouraging listeners to create their own music in the face of the corporate record industry. Gartside also gained a reputation for convoluted wordplay within his lyrics. This early avant garde phase gave way to a smooth sound that brought together elements of pop, jazz, soul and reggae on songs such as ‘The Sweetest Girl’ (with Robert Wyatt on piano) and ‘Asylums In Jerusalem’/‘Jacques Derrida’, which appeared on their debut album for Rough Trade Records, produced by Adam Kidron.


     Morley quit the band in November 1982, by which time Gartside was Scritti Politti. Songs To Remember became Rough Trade’s most successful chart album; number 1 in the UK independent and, in the national chart, peaking at number 12 (beating Stiff Little Fingers’ previous effort at number 14). After moving on to Virgin Records, Green linked up with New York musicians David Gamson (keyboards, programming) and Fred Maher (drums), who formed the basis of the band that made a series of UK hits in the years 1984-88. Produced by Arif Mardin, these included ‘Wood Beez (Pray Like Aretha Franklin)’ (number 10), ‘Absolute’ (number 17), and ‘The Word Girl’ (number 6). A three-year silence was broken by ‘Oh Patti (Don’t Feel Sorry For Loverboy)’ (number 13), lifted from Provision, and boasting a trumpet solo by Miles Davis. Gartside again maintained a low profile for two years after ‘First Boy In This Town (Love Sick)’, failed to break into the UK Top 60 in late 1988. He returned in 1991 with a revival of the Beatles’ ‘She’s A Woman’, featuring leading reggae star Shabba Ranks, reaching number 20, while another Jamaican star, Sweetie Irie, guested on a version of Gladys Knight And The Pips’ 1967 hit, ‘Take Me In Your Arms And Love Me’.


     Gartside’s extended lay-off was eventually broken with the release of 1999’s eclectic Anomie & Bonhomie. The album reflected Gartside’s infatuation with hip-hop, and featured guest appearances from Mos Def and Meshell Ndegéocello. Another lengthy hiatus followed, during which the only sighting of Gartside was a duet on Kylie Minogue’s 2003 album Body Language. At the start of 2006 Gartside made his first live appearances in over 25 years, playing a number of promotional dates to preview his new album. White Bread, Black Beer marked the singer’s return to Rough Trade, and proved to be a much more low-key offering than previous albums. The set’s gentle charms repaid repeat listenings, however, and prompted its inclusion in the 2006 Mercury Music Prize list.




    Scritti Politti started out as a post-punk band in the UK in the late 1970s, inspired by theorists such as Antonio Gramsci; one of Scritti’s early songs, “Hegemony”, was named after the Marxist concept of one state or social class’s dominance over another. This working-class consciousness applied to a transparency in the band’s business practices as well. On the website Instant Team Work, original drummer Tom Morley says, “We were pioneers of DIY recording and inspired many other indie bands to make their own records by printing all the costs and names of cheap studios and pressing plants on our record sleeves.”


     By 1985, Scritti Politti was just Gartside and a producer, arranger, and phalanx of studio musicians that included Fred Maher (Lou Reed, Matthew Sweet) and EBN-OZN’s Ned “EBN” Liben. Cupid & Psyche 85 owed much of its soul and soft-rock sound to producer Arif Mardin, who had worked with The Bee Gees and Roberta Flack & Donny Hathaway in the 1970s and continued to be a sought-after name in the ‘80s.


     If Cupid & Psyche 85 sounded like a lot of other music on the radio, it was because of a relatively new piece of synthesizer technology called the Fairlight CMI. Designed in 1979, it became a fixture of every major recording studio because of its possibilities for sampling and sequencing and its ability to produce multiple timbres at once. On this album, the programming duties belonged to David Gamson, who, according to an interview on the GForce Software site, used the Fairlight and the TR-808, Linndrum, Oberheim system, and DX-7, among other gear. One of the Fairlight’s most recognizable sounds — on Cupid & Psyche 85 and elsewhere — is the ORCH5 sample, better known as the “orchestra hit.” Believed by many to be sampled from Stravinsky’s The Firebird, this assertive “stab” would show up in The Art of Noise’s “Close (to the Edit)” and Afrika Bambaataa’s “Planet Rock”. The most prominent use of the ORCH5 on Cupid & Psyche 85 is probably on the showstopper “Hypnotize”, adding a layer of aggression to Scritti’s lightly frisky funk.


     Not content to just be a collection of au courant sounds and lush vocals, Cupid & Psyche 85 uses Gartside’s interest in Marxism and deconstructionist theory to subvert the blissful, accessible pop with ideas about language, work, and capitalism. “There’s gonna be a day when the rich get theirs,” Gartside sings on “Lover to Fall”. “Don’t Work That Hard” is a love song, sort of, but even the title suggests an entreaty to not get crushed under the weight of labor demands. He sings, “I need love for the power” (flipping the script on “Hegemony” as sexual role-play?) and “I got a piece for the wicked/ Use it oh so fast” (“piece” being sexual in its own right). The phrase that “A Little Knowledge” name checks, per Phrases.org.uk, goes back further than the Alexander Pope quote it’s associated with (“…is a dangerous thing”), actually belonging to an anonymous author in 1698: “Twas well observed by my Lord Bacon, That a little knowledge is apt to puff up, and make men giddy, but a greater share of it will set them right, and bring them to low and humble thoughts of themselves.”



     The lyrics of “Small Talk” reference a World War II propaganda campaign; “Careless Talk Costs Lives” becomes “Careless talk costs more than you bargained for” in a song that actually seems to glorify the act of small talk as a remedy for “prophesying,” perhaps owing to what Gartside told NME: that he was beginning to consider a “bankruptcy in Marxism to deal with ideology or any artistic community.” That quote in particular was Gartside’s take on “Wood Beez (Pray Like Aretha Franklin)”, Scritti’s song about “the whole question of what pop is; its relationship to language, power and politics.” In “Wood Beez”, Gartside is happy to proclaim himself “a would-be” and sounds proud when he sings, “Nothing/ Oh, nothing” in the pre-chorus. Scritti’s answer to what pop is does revolve around the word “nothing”; there’s nothing that Gartside wouldn’t do to be with his girl, “nothing” as a welcomed form of inertia, “nothing” as a deconstructionist scorched-earth policy denying the assignation of meaning to, well, anything.


     Gartside’s wispy voice mirrors Michael Jackson, who was still on top of the world in 1985, even without a full-length follow-up to 1982’s Thriller. Cupid & Psyche 85’s biggest influence comes from the urban-oriented music of the 1980s. Gartside told Simon Reynolds in an interview for the Totally Wired book that David Gamson, the record’s synthesizer player, programmer, and arranger, had grown up with black radio stations in New York and was a fan of Parliament-Funkadelic. Gartside says Cupid & Psyche 85 was largely about expressing that fandom, especially hip-hop, which would emerge as a greater force in Scritti’s subsequent releases.


     Whether consciously or subconsciously, Cupid & Psyche 85 also echoed a growing trend in UK indie known as “twee”: in 1986, NME would release a cassette called C-86 as a document of things happening in music at the time, and what people would grow to love about that tape was the artists’ appreciation of what AllMusic would call “the jangly guitar pop of The Smiths, the three-chord naiveté of The Ramones, and the nostalgic sweetness of the girl group era.” In indie circles, twee was thought of as “shambling” or “anorak,” but it had a presence in slick mainstream music, especially with Strawberry Switchblade’s 1985 synthpop hit “Since Yesterday”, which must have been on Gartside’s radar that year. “New Pop,” post-punk’s challenge to itself to renounce its austerity, had been in the air a few years as well, and Jess Harvell at Pitchfork believes writer Paul Morley was responsible. In the NME‘s 1980 year-end issue, [Morley] recoiled from the cassette-trader feebleness post-punk had arrived at with a call to “bring life back to the radio, to make the single count” and a push towards “overground brightness.”



    Scritti Politti, insofar as they’re remembered at all, are remembered primarily in the UK press for their early exploits in DIY and irreverent post-punk songs such as “Jacques Derrida”. In America, they’re more of a trivia question, although “Perfect Way” does show up in some of the better karaoke systems. It’s a shame that Cupid & Psyche 85 isn’t widely regarded as a classic of its time, especially with a renewed interest in the Fairlight — or at least a grudging acceptance from the rock community that Fairlights, Linndrums, and 808s were an undeniable force in some of the most acclaimed records of the 1980s. While very few people are going out of their way to emulate Cupid & Psyche 85 — Max Tundra being one of them — it feels very much a piece of the Beyoncé-and-Bruno pop landscape of 2014. If Gartside’s new job as the face of Faber causes people to revisit Scritti’s triumphant crossover out of curiosity, they will find that it feels fresher than ever.



    Green Gartside: The brainiest man in pop (apart from Brian Eno)



    Scritti Politti introduced critical theory to the top 10. Now frontman Green Gartside is too sensitive to listen to pop – or finish his songs


     Any touring band is used to fans who turn up backstage with old singles, photographs and bits of ephemera to be signed. When Scritti Politti toured America for the first time in 2006, as part of their first live dates of any kind in 26 years, something different would happen. Earnest young men would approach Green Gartside – since 1977 Scritti's singer, songwriter-ideologue and sole constant member – and show him their published works of philosophy, claiming that they owed their interest in critical thought to Scritti's music.


     "The ratio of tactically deployed pop banality to smartarse references to Kant and Gramsci was occasionally uncomfortably high," admits Gartside of his band-cum-vehicle's commercial zenith in the mid-80s, when hits such as Absolute and The Word Girl snuck such subjects as unconditional reality and semiotics into the pop charts. Or rather he reads it because, brilliantly, Gartside has brought prepared notes to our interview, from a talk he's giving later at The wire magazine's Off The Page Festival in Whitstable. More pop stars should do this.


     The life of the mind figures highly in the Scritti canon, which is now ripe for revisiting with the release of a greatest hits album, Absolute, next week. Gartside is, famously, joint-holder with Brian Eno of the title Cleverest Man in Pop. As we enjoy an afternoon pint in the Pembury Tavern near his home in Hackney – fittingly for a man who recorded an album called Cupid & Psyche, the beers are called Zeus, Dionysus and Sparta – Gartside describes yesterday's hangover as "a moment of emotional lability". Later, he explains that one of the reasons he left Rough Trade Records in 1983 was a concern over the "reification of indie. These are not the words of someone who subscribes to modern rock's lumpen suspicion of thought, but neither is Gartside a pretentious individual. He just knows what he's talking about.


     A well-read and inquiring mind whose background as a Young Communist in South Wales segued smoothly into the squat-scene theoretics of the punk era, Gartside set out his own mission statement on Scritti's reputation-making 1982 single The Sweetest Girl. Drawing attention to the loaded nature of pop language, he put inverted commas inside the title. "The weakest link in every chain, I always want to find it," he sang, "The strongest words in each belief, and find out what's behind it." The tension between Gartside's appetite for deconstruction and his longing to abandon himself to the wordless joys of pop have nourished and tormented him ever since.


     "I still look for disorienting moments in pop," he says. "Sometimes music can still be too powerful to deal with. It might just be an old Motown hit on the radio that is at the same time asking too much of me, and giving me too much. It happens to my wife, too. We'll have to stop listening to it because we'll be floored, or we won't be able to sleep. The Jacksons' Victory album for instance, the other day – we actually had to turn it off."


     The compilation Absolute begins in exactly that kind of delirious pop daze, with a five-track assault from Scritti's period of peak popularity. He recorded them in New York with Arif Mardin, the pasha of R&B who had produced such premium soul products as Anita Baker, Patti LaBelle and the Bee Gees. To work with such an elite craftsman was an outrageous move for anyone of the DIY punk generation, but Gartside did it anyway. "I wanted to know how it felt to make a record like that."


     'Cocaine was briefly a problem'


     In those days you had to declare any previous membership of the Communist party on your US visa application. Though Gartside had helped out at the party's HQ in Covent Garden ("Interesting times . . . there were letter bombs going off while I was organising gigs with Aswad and Sham 69"), he had never been a full adult member of the party. On his first visit to America, US immigration delayed him for hours for a different reason: an official had clipped a note with the word WEIRD on his passport. "I was wearing a tricorn hat at the time," Gartside recalls.


     The New York sessions were the making of Scritti. "The same will behind my desire to make punk was behind my desire to make big beat pop," Gartside explains. "The idea of the critical privileging of rock music as the unmediated, the truthful and honest as against pop as the derivative, mediated, commercial and superficial . . . that interested me. After the album came out I got endless stick for making bourgeois pop music, but stick has never bothered me."


     Mardin proved to be a "charming, delightful gentleman" who nurtured Gartside even though the singer knew he was out of his depth. At the end of each session they would repair to the producer's apartment on Central Park West where he would prepare his "Mardinis". The result was the planet-eating gorgeousness of Cupid & Psyche 85, but also pop stardom for Gartside, a burden he found insupportable. "A genuine breakdown ensued," he says, and the hastily recorded 1988 follow-up album Provision flopped.


     "Promoting Cupid & Psyche knocked chunks out of my already fragile psyche," says Gartside. "I was in a poor state, physically and psychologically. I was living in various hotels and apartments in America. Cocaine was briefly a problem. After promoting Provision, that's when the complete collapse happened."


     He returned to South Wales, to Usk, and the lost years began, whiling away the days in local pubs. His drinking was never a problem but nor was it an irrelevance. "I've always enjoyed beer," he says. "Drink is a recurring issue with me and it is something I continue to battle." Ironically given his rural seclusion, it was the most urban music of all, hip-hop, that brought him back to musical life.


     "It was the beats of hip-hop that made me love it," he says. "There was no jaunty teleological drive from A to Z over three minutes. There was a lack of tonal melody, of the hyperbolic pop excitement that had been my undoing." Hip-hop imports proved surprisingly easy to obtain in Usk, energising him to make the 1999 album Anomie & Bonhomie, the title of which bigs up Emile Durkheim's theory of societal normlessness.


     Towards the end of Absolute there's an annexe of what Gartside calls "juvenilia and pre-history" including the pre-pop anti-music of Skank Bloc Bologna from 1978. The early Scritti divided its audience savagely. Chris Cutler, drummer with one of Gartside's favourite bands Henry Cow, mailed his copy of Skank Bloc back to Scritti at their squat with a message that they should leave the music business to the professionals. ("At least he sent it back in one piece. Most people smashed it first.") The song alluded to political upheaval in Italy and specifically Gramsci's theory of the historical bloc of the underclass. In the 21st century civil unrest is back on the agenda, not just in old Europe but the previously repressed Middle East, and Scritti Politti are back on Rough Trade Records. Has Gartside's world gone full circle?


     There's nowhere near enough rioting or dissent in the UK, he thinks, but then again Gramsci did say that civil society could absorb incredible economic or political shocks and people would carry on as normal. Gartside still thinks of himself as a man of the left, primarily because the alternative doesn't bear thinking about. "But it's a question of, which left do you want to be part of? I'm a political apostate, really. I just drifted away, as many people do."

     Flirting with Pseud's Corner


     A few streets away in Hackney, the area Gartside credits with reviving him a second time after another few lost years, there are hundreds of new Scritti Politti songs in unfinished digital form. Gartside admits he suffers from completion anxiety. "But I'm convinced that I have to keep making music," he says, "and that I haven't come close to making the best music that I can. Though I've had a very low opinion of myself, the fact that the best work I've yet done is sitting unfinished on a hard drive back home must be good."


     Then he falls back to talking about hip-hop, the musical love that still sustains him. Gartside can rhapsodise about DJs and MCs as few others can. Where can the 50-plus chap go to nod his head to a DJ Premier beat, he wonders? There should be a club for guys like him. He can still be transported by the crunch and grit of a snare sample or the smack and clang of a bass drum. "Or a chopped piece of guitar that was chucked in there as some kind of Duchampian objet trouvé."


     You're flirting with Pseud's Corner now, Gartside. "Fuck it, I've never been afraid of that," he replies with a smile. And then we have another couple of pints of Dionysus.




     
     The Word Girl
    According to Scritti Politti leader Green Gartside, this song is about the word "girl," and what it represents.

     
    This was Scritti Politti's biggest UK hit.



    The Welsh born singer-songwriter derived the band’s name from ‘Scritti Politici’ – the political writings from 1910-1920 by the Italian Marxist theorist Antonio Gramsci. Gartside made the name of the band more ‘charts friendly’ by changing the last part into Politti.



    Gartside said;

    ‘The Word Girl’ lyrics are about the language in pop music, for example, the ubiquity of the word ‘girl’ in pop music, its reasons of meaning, its emptying out of meaning. The lyrics are filled with references to the ideas of Ludwig Wittgenstein and Julia Kristeva. There came a point, though, about the end of the ‘Provision’ album, that I became fed up with the whole post modern philosophy; Baudrillard, Léotard, Derrida, Foucault etc. At the same time I also became fed up with pop music and I was only interested in hip hop and trying to go back to basic questions of Epistemology. I was fed up with the whole Postmodern and Post-structuralism tradition.





    Wood Beez (Pray Like Aretha Franklin)




    "Wood Beez (Pray Like Aretha Franklin)" is the first hit single for British soul group Scritti Politti. It is, as the title says, a tribute to Aretha Franklin and displayed the group's smooth soul and R&B sound to a wide commercial audience, at least in the UK, where the single peaked at #10 in the charts, becoming the group's first Top 10 entry. This song appears on the group's album Cupid & Psyche 85 and was produced by Arif Mardin.
    The song appears in Grand Theft Auto: Episodes From Liberty City's fictional radio station Vice City FM.



     






     


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    25/2/2020 12:15 pm  #2117


    Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

    Album 566.
    Afrika Bambaataa And The Soul Sonic Force........................Planet Rock----The Album   (1986)











    Planet Rock: The Album is an old school hip hop album by Afrika Bambaataa & Soulsonic Force, released in 1986 as a collection of previous singles. The song “Planet Rock” was one of the earliest hits of the hip hop music genre and remains one of its pioneering recordings. The single’s liner notes include members of Kraftwerk with the songwriting credits. In creating the track, portions of Kraftwerk’s “Numbers” and “Trans-Europe Express” were interpolated (re-recorded in the studio, rather than through the use of a digital sampler), along with portions of songs by Captain Sky and Ennio Morricone.


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    25/2/2020 4:27 pm  #2118


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    “Don't Stand Me Down”
     
    What a let down this was for me, as I’d enjoyed everything Dexys had done before this, so in keeping with the maxim of only commenting at any length about stuff I enjoyed, let’s leave it at that.
     
    “Picture Book”
     
    I’m one of the folk who think of Mick Hucknall as a cunt, so that’s enough.
     
    Cupid And Psyche 85
     
    This was an album I liked way back 35 years ago, and unusually, my soon to be (at that time) wife enjoyed Green Gartside’s songs as well. It was unusual, for she probably like Simply Red as well, and generally her musical tastes are far removed from mine.

    This album was the ‘absolute’ peak of the band’s output, with work before and since never gaining any great commercial success. Lots of singles off it too, and Gartside seemed to be destined to become one of the most sought after musicians of the ‘eighties, collaborating with top artists, but he was on the brink at that point. Looked it up: he became more reclusive, eventually suffering a mental breakdown and living alone in an isolated cottage.
     
    Yet he’s out playing again with a new Scritti Politti line up, and has been for most of the 21st century: I never knew that.

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    28/2/2020 1:08 am  #2119


    Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

    Album 565.
    Elvis Costello And The Attractions............................Blood And Chocolate (1986)












    When I seen another Costello album I can't say I was very excited, this will now be the fifth album by this artist in the book and I feel overkill would be an understatement.


    As previously stated I much preferred his earliest work, but in saying that, this offering is an upgrade from that last album Imperial Bedroom but nowhere near as good as his first two albums My Aim Is True and This years Model, whch in my humbles were by far his finest works.


    On this album he teamed up once more with Nick Lowe (maybe trying to reinact previous glorys), but this really didn't do much for me, although there was the usual acerbic well formed lyrics it failed to make any impression and for me wasn't worth the entrance fee, "I Hope You're Happy Now" was a pretty good number and "Next Time Round" was quite enjoyable but that may have something to do with it being the last track, I don't know?


    What I do know is five albums by this artist is far too many, and also I wont by purchang this one, this album wont be going into my collection.





    Bits & Bobs;


    Have written previously about this artist in posts, #1406, #1442, #1616 and #1795 (if interested)




    Blood And Chocolate        November 6, 1986 5:00AM ET
     
    By  Rob Tannenbaum




    With the release of Blood & Chocolate, Eivis Costello’s credibility problem matches that of Neil Young. Earlier this year, Elvis announced that he was returning to his given name of Declan MacManus to “divorce myself” from the snarling reputation of Elvis Costello. He dismissed his previous album Goodbye Cruel World, recorded with his perennial band, the Attractions, as “a waste” and “a load of wank,” and proclaimed an era of New Sincerity by recording the warmer, less inscrutable King of America with a pickup band of session veterans. This new guise lasted about as long as one of David Bowie’s haircuts. On this album, his thirteenth in nine years, he reclaims the Costello name, and reunites with the Attractions and producer Nick Lowe, who guided Elvis’s first six albums. The return isn’t merely nominal: Blood & Chocolate recalls the venom of This Year’s Model and the artiness of Imperial Bedroom, but the result is as tentative as Trust.


    Costello’s earlier forays into country, soul and psychedelia were probably inevitable, given his and the Attractions’ mastery of pop forms, and although some will see Blood & Chocolate as a return to basics, similar to Talking Heads’ Little Creatures, Costello is still exploring an alternative to pop. The spiteful bashing of “I Hope You’re Happy Now” could be an outtake from 1978, but the Attractions don’t match the hook-a-rama of their first efforts (keyboardist Steve Nieve and bassist Bruce Thomas sound almost harnessed). “Uncomplicated” is ruined by psychedelic clutter and punkish clatter, the latter in the form of Costello’s awful guitar playing. Several songs have sudden, incidental sonic details, and the last part of side two is almost impenetrable. This is an odd turn, since Lowe used to be the most unaffected producer in pop. But it suggests that even though Costello has abandoned the stylistic experiments of recent years, he still doesn’t have complete confidence in the songs. The annoyingly breathy oversinging that peaked on “Don’t Let Me Be Misunderstood” from King of America also continues here, providing a redundant emphasis to the grim cityscape of “Battered Old Bird.” Not since Phoebe Snow has a singer puffed so much breath into each syllable.

      For all the signature wit and wordplay of Costello’s lyrics, the songs are too frequently glib or sketchy. His reliance on one-liners continues on “Uncomplicated,” in which he sings, “When you’re over me/There’s no one above you.” His attempted tour de force, “Tokyo Storm Warning,” is a grisly dispatch — it sounds like the young Dylan singing with Iron Butterfly — that reports from Alabama, the Falklands and Japan, but unites the bloody images only with the observation that “death wears a big hat.” And although no one else could reveal the lyrical link between George Jones and the Smiths, as Costello does in the midnight melodrama of “Home Is Anywhere You Hang Your Head,” a psychological miniature like “Blue Chair” is just another addition to his long resumé of songs full of guilt and bile.



     The best song on Blood & Chocolate is “I Want You,” the record’s one pure invention, and as good a performance as Costello has ever recorded. Beginning with the simple emotion of the title, Elvis unblinkingly adds jealousy, malice, desperation and all the other facets of desire, until his confession ranges beyond obsession and into danger. It’s here that Costello reclaims the stunning rush of his first releases by trading on the tension between his spiteful and sincere modes. Like so many of the characters on his new album, Elvis Costello seems to be circling his possibilities, hiding a fear of the future behind an infatuation with the past.






     When Elvis Costello reconvened the Attractions in early 1986, the band was on the verge of breaking up. Things has not gone well the last time the four guys had recorded together.

     That session was for King of America, a rootsy effort that Costello had almost completed with other musicians by the time he called in his long-running backing band. The Attractions – drummer Pete Thomas, keyboardist Steve Nieve and bassist Bruce Thomas – didn’t enjoy being sidelined, nor did they take to the buddy-buddy friendship Costello had struck up with producer T-Bone Burnett in their absence. Their time in the studio yielded only one track, albeit one of the record's standouts, "Suit of Lights."


     Instead of letting the bad feelings fester, Costello rounded up the Attractions for another project just after King of America hit stores in February 1986, and only a few months after the catastrophic previous session. Costello brought on Nick Lowe to produce, not only because he could help capture the raw sounds Elvis envisioned for the new album, but because he had a history with the band (having produced the first four of the LPs Costello made with the Attractions).


     Lowe happily “agreed to an approach that would get the music recorded before the band and I fell out completely,” Costello wrote in 2002. The somewhat strange plan was to play the new songs as a unit in the studio, without headphones, almost like the band would on stage. It was experimental, in a very primitive way, and it prevented the boys from getting too cute with any arrangements.


     “If we tried anything fancy it sounded like we were playing wearing boxing gloves,” Costello reflected in 1995. “This suited most of the songs perfectly.”


     True to Lowe’s nickname, "Basher,” Costello and the Attractions bashed out these tracks, rarely requiring more than three or four run-throughs to capture a master take. Two of the album’s longest songs, “I Want You” and “Tokyo Story Warning,” were captured in one take, with minimal overdubs stitched on immediately afterward.


     Although Blood & Chocolate is indeed a blaring rock record, it’s not without bizarre little touches. For instance, in the closing moments of sinister ballad “I Want You,” the Attractions’ tracks are slowly switched off. The ghostly echo of a band that perseveres is a result of the sound bleeding through to Costello’s vocal mic. Meanwhile, leadoff track “Uncomplicated” had been Costello’s “latest failed attempt to write a song based on one chord” (although Nieve’s organ spruces it up a bit).


     There’s also some pretty melodic stuff on the record, such as “Blue Chair” (which Costello says was inspired by Prince’s poppier tunes) and the chiming “Crimes of Paris” (which features backing vocals from Elvis’s soon-to-be bride, Pogues bassist Cait O’Riordan). “I Hope Your Happy Now” bounces with a Beatle-esque beat – a little joy to disguise the “murderous intent” Costello originally intended.


     On Blood & Chocolate, some of Elvis’s nasty feelings are masked, and some aren’t. Sometimes the humor and rage come in equal doses, as on “Tokyo Storm Warning,” in which Costello sneers his way through an international tour, but still finds a moment to laugh about the “God-Jesus robots” that work as magic eight-balls for lovesick Japanese teenagers.


     The sessions for the album finished in May and the album was released on Sept. 15, 1986 (less than seven months after the very different-sounding King of America). Although the album was attributed to Costello on the cover, which he painted, he was credited as “Napoleon Dynamite” on the album, amidst other notes that were written in Esperanto (“for reasons I can no longer remember,” Costello wrote in 1995).


     While critical reaction was kind-to-enthusiastic – Robert Christgau called it “a return to basics with a decade of growth in it” – the public wasn’t as thrilled. Blood & Chocolate became Costello’s lowest-charting LP on both sides of the Atlantic, that is, until he went orchestral in 1993. It didn’t produce a hit song, although “I Want You” became a fan favorite via live performances.


     The record also marked the end of an era, in a few ways. It was Costello’s final album with Columbia Records in the States. Elvis signed a big contract with Warner Bros. and would make his next six records with the label. The album also was the last Costello disc to include Lowe as a producer (although he and Elvis would collaborate in other ways).


     While the Attractions toured with Costello to support Blood & Chocolate, the band wouldn’t record a session together for eight years. Even then, it was only for part of an album because of bad blood between Costello and Bruce Thomas. Steve Nieve and Pete Thomas would end up with Costello for the long haul, eventually becoming part of his new backing band, the Imposters, in 2001.




     


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    01/3/2020 12:19 am  #2120


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    Pretty fucked and fucked off so gonna put the next album up and do the double tomorrow.


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    01/3/2020 12:45 am  #2121


    Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

    Album 567.
    The Beastie Boys...........................Licensed To Ill   (1986) 










    The front cover itself has the tail of a plane adorning a Beastie Boys logo similar to the Harley Davidson one, plus the Def Jam one next to the number "3MTA3" ("EAT ME" mirrored)

    Opening the gatefold shows the aircraft is crashed into a mountain. Producer Rick Rubin suggested something with aircraft inspired  by Led Zeppelin's private Boeing "Starship":


    "At the time, I had just read Hammer of the Gods, a wild biography about Led Zeppelin‘s rock excesses. In the book there is a photograph of the Led Zeppelin private jet and the idea of this cover came from that. The Beastie Boys were just a bunch of little guys and I wanted us to have a Beastie Boys’ jet. I wanted to embrace and somehow distinguish, in a sarcastic way, the larger than life rock ‘n’ roll lifestyle.


     The whole thing was done by David Gambale by painting over a collage of various airplane parts with water soluble crayons. One fan got an early draft for $12,000. And adequate to the band’s comedy, viewing the full cover upside down turns the image phallic as well.












    Although they had been making records since 1981, Licensed to Ill is the Beastie Boys’ debut full-length album.

     Originally a four-member hardcore punk band, music entrepreneur Rick Rubin took interest in the group after their bizarre dance track “Cooky Puss” found success on college radio. He signed them to his label, but without founding member Kate Shellenbach, officially making them an all-male three member rap group.



    After the trio released two standalone singles – “Rock Hard” and “She’s On It”, they dropped “Hold It, Now Hit It” in the summer of 1986 in advance of their upcoming album, which was originally intended to be titled Don’t Be A Faggot (something they would later apologise for). The song reached #55 on the US Hip Hop/R&B chart.


     Licensed To Ill followed that November as “It’s The New Style” and “Paul Revere” also appeared on the Hip Hop/R&B chart. However, it was the satirical frat-boy anthem “(You Gotta) Fight For Your Right (To Party!)” that launched the band into international stardom, reaching the top 20 in five countries in early 1987. Within weeks, “She’s On It”, “No Sleep Till Brooklyn”, “Girls” and “Brass Monkey” also found scattered international chart success in its wake.


     Licensed To Ill became the first hip hop record to reach #1 in the US, topping the Billboard 200 for seven weeks and ultimately staying on it for 73 weeks as the group headlined their Licensed To Ill Tour for several months.



     


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    01/3/2020 7:13 pm  #2122


    Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

    Blood & Chocolate

    From being a big Elvis fan over his early albums, I couldn't find much to like by the time he got to Blood & Chocolate.


    Licensed To Ill

    I know you've not done this album yet, but I think about the famous Stutter Rap by Morris Minor & the Majors every time I hear of this album.


     

    04/3/2020 12:49 am  #2123


    Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

    Album 566.
    Afrika Bambaataa And The Soul Sonic Force........................Planet Rock----The Album   (1986)












    From the off I have to confess this is a genre I know absolutely fuck all about, I don't know why it passed me by but maybe a genarational thing I don't know, but maybe for the young people of the time it was like the first time I heard punk, it was so different, not everybody liked it (always a bonus when your young,) and for me it was the music of my youth and has stuck with me through thick and thin and is always my goto feelgood genre.


    So this was  fresh ears listening to this album and on first listen it was the music that stood out for me rather than the lyrics, this may be as there was some interpolating of Kraftwerk involved, to be honest I enjoyed this one and have to say it gave me a bit of a buzz, seemingly this is a collection of hit 12" tracks which makes sense to me as I enjoyed all the tracks bar none.


    Anyways I liked this album more than I ever thought I would, favourite track?............probably the title track"Planet Rock" closely followed by "Renegades Of Funk" but to be fair this may change on subsequent plays, but for now that somes up this somewhat eyeopener, also the Dundee/Scottish connection also helps, if you listen to the opening/title track (added at the bottom of these slavers) at about 4:27 he chants " Everybody say eech meech hens keech"................ tell me em wrang?


    So will I buy this album.............no' fir now, fir me this is no' an album you sit doon to listen to, probably fit the bill at a perty, be great to listen to on your headphones fir working out to, but fir now a download is probably the best option for me, this doesn't detract from the fact this genre has been quite the nice surprise , so far.

    This album wont be getting added to my collection, yet.










    Bits & Bobs;



    Afrika Bambaataa & The Soulsonic Force: 'Planet Rock'Classic


    Tracks | Producer: Arthur Baker



     For mixing Kraftwerk's synthetic beats and simple melodies with New York rap, 'Planet Rock' can be credited with creating an entirely new genre: hip-hop. This is how it happened...



     Photo: David Corio/Redferns




    Man and machine, transporting rap to electro.



    That, within the historical context of popular music, was what the 1982 single 'Planet Rock' was all about, transforming rap by blending breakbeats, a vocoder and one of the first Fairlight synths in America, to create computerised, futuristic, robotic funk that paved the way for dance, trance, techno and house, whilst also being the first hip–hop/R&B track to utilise a Roland TR808 drum machine.


     Three men were mainly responsible for breaking this new ground: Afrika Bambaataa, the pioneering South Bronx DJ who helped establish hip–hop during the early '80s with his Soulsonic Force ensemble; producer and dancefloor doyen Arthur Baker; and keyboard player John Robie. Inspired by the sounds of German electro–pop outfit Kraftwerk, Bambaataa and Baker recruited the services of Robie to help them take their music in a new direction, and on 'Planet Rock' they achieved this with the assistance of a couple of Kraftwerk numbers: 'Trans–Europe Express', from which they borrowed the melody, and 'Numbers', whose rhythm track they re–recorded.



     The Dawn Of Hip-Hop
    A seminal figure on the New York breakdancing scene, Afrika Bambaataa had been a founding member of Bronx street gang the Savage Seven (later the Black Spades) before a life–changing trip to Africa encouraged him to form Zulu Nation and offer kids a streetwise form of music as an alternative to gang life. His entry onto the recording scene was as the producer of the Soulsonic Force's 'Zulu Nation Throwdown', and following several more production credits, utilising other groups such as the Cosmic Force and Jazzy 5, Bambaataa was then signed to Tommy Boy Records in early 1982 and debuted as an artist in his own right with the single 'Jazzy Sensation'. His next release was 'Planet Rock'.


     "Back then, there was no such thing as hip–hop," says Arthur Baker. "It was basically just rapping over beats, and most of the beats that people used were either from disco tracks or funk tracks. There was no segregation between disco, funk and rap. It was called rhyming. People were just rhyming over breaks The first time I heard rappers was up in the Bronx, where people were in the park, talking over records. [Latin R&B artist] Joe Bataan had told me about them, and he was like, 'Man, someone's gonna make a million dollars on this.' I, myself, certainly thought it was interesting stuff. You know, I didn't laugh at it, because I was all about finding out what was happening on the streets."



    Rock To Rap


     A native of Boston, Baker grew up as a fan of mainstream rock by anyone from David Bowie and the Allman Brothers to Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones. At the same time, he also enjoyed the Jackson 5 and the Philadelphia soul productions of Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff. In 1973, while studying and adquainting himself with synths at Hampshire College in Amherst — an experimental liberal arts university known for its electronic music studio which, back then, had more toys than any pro facility — he began DJ'ing, using a mixer and two turntables to play a selection of early disco records. After returning to Boston, Baker then took an engineering course at Intermedia Studios (where the first Aerosmith album was recorded) and got into production, helming a number of records that helped raise his profile when they were played at legendary New York City club the Paradise Garage. Among them was Northend's 'Happy Days'.


     Moving back and forth between Boston and New York during the late '70s and early '80s, Baker soon became involved in the burgeoning hip–hop scene and, after producing a number of unsuccessful singles, he finally enjoyed some success helming the rap novelty hit 'Rap–O–Clap–O' for Joe Bataan. Tom Silverman subsequently asked Baker if he wanted to head up a project on his new Tommy Boy Records label. This turned out to be Afrika Bambaataa's aforementioned 'Jazzy Sensation' (a cover of Gwen McCrae's 'Funky Sensation', recorded with the Jazzy 5), which featured an early remix by Shep Pettibone. Baker then took the solo production reins for 'Planet Rock'.


     "On 'Jazzy Sensation', I went into the studio with the band that had played on Northend's 'Happy Days'. They were a crew of really good young musicians from Queens, including the keyboard player André Booth, the guitarist Charlie Street and drummer T–Funk, who played with James Brown for a while. Bambaataa and the Jazzy 5 had the choice of two records to rap over," Baker recalls. "These were Tom Tom Club's 'Genius of Love' and Gwen McCrae's 'Funky Sensation', and I decided that, since someone else would probably be doing 'Genius of Love', we should go with 'Funky Sensation' and call it 'Jazzy Sensation'. As things turned out, we actually cut two versions: a funky one, known as the 'Bronx version', and then more of a disco one, known as the 'Manhattan version', which my then–wife Tina B sang on. The group were really happy with the results, and so was Tom [Silverman], because we'd picked a very hot record to cover and it ended up selling 30,000 to 40,000 copies. A case of doing an 'answer record' in the R&B tradition and people buying it."




    Intergalactic


     "At that point, no–one was using drum machines. We just went in with some fine musicians who cut a great track and the production was good — the record's call–and–response was really important, because from day one I thought it was vital to introduce some live element of seeing rappers live. Then, when Tom was happy with what we did, he said, 'Okay, next up is Soulsonic Force. They're next in line.'"


     

    Arthur Baker today



    As with 'Jazzy Sensation', studio time for 'Planet Rock' was booked at Intergalactic, later made famous by the Beastie Boys. Located around the corner from where Tom Silverman lived, it housed a classic Neve console, Studer 24–track tape machine and Urei monitors, in addition to a Lexicon PCM41 digital delay, Sony reverb and the aforementioned Fairlight — which nobody else then had.


     "It wasn't like they had walls of outboard gear and walls of keyboards," Baker remarks. "They only had a few things, and so we basically got all of our effects out of the Lexicon PCM41, including Bambaataa's electronic vocal vocoder sound. That came through a really, really tight delay, almost like a tight electronic phasing, and then there was the state–of–the–art Sony reverb. However, other than that, there weren't a whole load of effects on that record


    ."Bambaataa wanted to use the keyboardist who had played on a record that he liked, and this turned out to be John Robie, who is now my oldest friend. John played everything by hand, nothing was sequenced on 'Planet Rock' — we didn't have a sequencer at that time. I was still working in Long Island City, sweeping the warehouse floors of a record distributor called Cardinal One–Stop, and when we went out for lunch and sat around the projects I'd always hear 'Trans–Europe Express'. Its melody was more eerie than usual in that setting, reverberating off the buildings. Then again, on Saturdays I also used to hang out on Fulton Street in Brooklyn, where I lived in those days, and I'd go into a record store called Music Factory with these brothers, Donnie and Dwight, to see what was selling. They were always playing 'Numbers' in there, also by Kraftwerk, which was really up–tempo, and so it was my idea to use a combination of those two numbers for Bambaataa's next record, because the beat on 'Trans–Europe Express' was too slow.


     "Bambaataa suggested using the break from 'Super Sperm', and there were a few other elements — Tom definitely played an ideas cassette, which I think we totally ignored. Anyway, since we were basically trying to emulate the Kraftwerk sound, when we went into the studio we decided we needed a drum machine. What's more, after hearing an 808, we knew that was what we wanted, so I looked in the Village Voice and saw an ad stating, 'Man with drum machine, $30 a session.' His name was Joe and he had an 808, so we paid him to come in and do the beats.


     

    Afrika Bambaataa in New York, early 1980s.Photo: Janette Beckman/Redferns



    "We played him 'Numbers' and asked him to copy the beat, and then Bambaataa asked him to copy the beat from 'Super Sperm', so that's what we did first. Intergalactic was on the eighth floor of this building, and on the day of the session the elevator wasn't working. So John Robie and I had to walk up eight flights of stairs with his keyboards — a Micromoog and a Prophet 5 — and once there we bonded really quickly. In fact, we realised we might get sued by Kraftwerk if we used the 'Trans–Europe Express' melody, so John performed a different string melody just in case — it was on one of the tracks on the same tape — and that was what we ended up using for 'Play At Your Own Risk'."



    Happy Accidents"We did all of the music for 'Planet Rock' and 'Play At Your Own Risk' in one session and on the same piece of tape. Not later on the tape — we actually used the same drums and everything. The rappers weren't there that first night, so there was no rap, but afterwards, when I took 'Planet Rock' home and played it for my wife, I told her, 'We've made musical history tonight.' I knew it. There wasn't a doubt in my mind. From the start, I was definitely into the record being a merging of cultures, and I said, 'We've done what Talking Heads have been trying to do, but our record is going to sell uptown and downtown.' Working in a record warehouse, I was really educated as to what people on the streets were buying, and whenever I heard 'Numbers' being played at the Music Factory in Brooklyn I saw black guys in their twenties and thirties asking, 'What's that beat?' So I knew that if we used that beat and added an element of the street, it was going to work.


     "In trying to copy what Kraftwerk did, I totally got it wrong due to the odd way that I hear things, but it still turned out to be right. You know, like having the bass locked in with the kick drum — I had Robie play the bass with the kick all the way through the record, and since we couldn't program it we slowed the tape down so that it would be really tight. Then there was the idea of removing the snare and just having the kick and the handclaps. No one had done that, and the same applied to a number of things on that record. Twenty–six years later, the kick–and–handclap thing is still being used on hip–hop records — it creates a vibe — but that just came about when I was mixing.


     "There were a lot of happy accidents when we were making these kinds of records. Like the orchestra hit. We were going through the sounds on the Fairlight, which, although it was worth over a hundred thousand dollars back then, probably only had what a thousand–dollar computer can do these days. You couldn't sample on the Fairlight, it was all pre–sampled sounds, so we used an explosion, the handclaps and the orchestra. Once we heard the orchestra, which I think Tom hit, we thought, 'Oh, that's amazing. We've got to use that.' None of those things were planned, we just discovered or came up with them as we went along. But after I'd hopped on the subway to Brooklyn that first night, I knew we had done something special, and that was even before the rappers had done their thing."


     MC |PoppingAs it happens, the rappers absolutely hated 'Planet Rock'. Indeed, the main reason for them wanting to work with Afrika Bambaataa and Arthur Baker was that they had been responsible for 'Jazzy Sensation'. This was totally different, boasting a weird beat that they just couldn't get to grips with. That was, until MC G.L.O.B.E. came to the rescue.


     



    The original track sheet for 'Planet Rock' and 'Play At Your Own Risk', which were recorded together on the same section of tape."He was the genius of the group," Baker asserts, "and he worked out that they should do the track half–time as opposed to a regular rap that would be right on the beat. The beat was so fast, it would have been difficult for them to rap right on the beat, so he created a new style which he called 'MC Popping'. He'd say, 'We don't rap, we MC Pop.' So, they MC Popped their way around the beat, and what with the fantastic lyrics, the whole thing really took shape. To this day, I don't know where the title 'Planet Rock' came from, but what I do know for a fact is that G.L.O.B.E. wrote all of the lyrics except for the choruses, which I wrote: 'Rock rock to the Planet Rock, don't stop.' And the reason I'm so sure about it is that I stole the idea from another record, 'Body Music' by the Strikers, which was a great dance track and had the line 'Punk rock to the punk rock, don't stop.'"


     Looking For The Perfect Beat
    In all, with Bob Rosa taking care of some overdubbing, about 30 hours were spent recording and mixing 'Planet Rock' before the single was mastered and then remastered. Arthur Baker took the acetate into the Music Factory record shop in Brooklyn and quite literally blew up the speakers there, due to excessive low–end. Still, all's well that ends well. In return for a $900 outlay, 'Planet Rock' helped establish the Tommy Boy label and projected hip–hop into the mainstream, while opening the doors to a flood of electro hits and the related dance genres that followed in their wake.


     Released in June 1982, the single didn't make the Top 40 but did reach number four on the R&B chart, certifying it as a true hip–hop classic alongside Afrika Bambaataa's next release, 'Looking For The Perfect Beat', which Baker now describes as being "just as good and totally original."


     "Nothing on that record was borrowed from anyone," he says. "After 'Planet Rock' came out, there were a hundred other records sounding just like it, and we even put out 'Play At Your Own Risk' after adding the vocals and some more music. It was basically our second 'Planet Rock' and it sold about 300,000 copies. But then, sitting around in Robie's apartment, we were saying, 'What are we going to do?' There was a lot of pressure on us to keep delivering, not only from Tom but also ourselves and everyone else. All eyes were on us, and I remember saying, 'Man, we're looking for the perfect beat and we've already found it.' It quickly dawned on me that this was a good song title, and so I again handed G.L.O.B.E. the task of writing the lyrics, and he nailed it, while I added some of the incidental things like the barking, 'beat this' and 'looking for the perfect beat.' Instead of having Jay Burnett do it [see 'Shout Out' box], I made a jerk out of myself.


     "John basically co–produced 'Perfect Beat' with me, and going from the mega high–point of 'Planet Rock' and doing something that, to me, was creatively even more interesting and yet not a flop was quite an achievement. Often, after people enjoy a high point, they go back into their cage and come up with something that's unlistenable. However, we did something that was really experimental and yet commercially still successful."



    After Afrika


     In the wake of his success at Tommy Boy, Arthur Baker formed his own Streetwise Records label and, in 1982, signed New Edition. The following year, he then scored a club hit with New Order's 'Confusion', and continued working in the rock mainstream as a producer and/or remixer with artists such as Diana Ross, Jeff Beck, Hall & Oates, Debbie Harry, David Bowie, the Pet Shop Boys, Cyndi Lauper and Al Green through the mid–1990s. Thereafter, since relocating to the UK he has worked on projects by an eclectic array of artists, ranging from Babylon Zoo to Robbie Williams, while among his most recent assignments has been a compilation for the Ministry Of Sound label as part of its Masterpiece series, writing the script for a film entitled Paintbox, and DJ'ing in the US this October.


     "As dance music took off, I basically got remix gigs that paid me loads of money and meant that I didn't have to deal with rappers," he says, half–jokingly. "I remember when I asked MC G.L.O.B.E. if he could write a rhyme about 'Renegades Of Funk', he was like, 'Artie, I ain't writing no rap about a renegade.' I said, 'Well, wait a minute. Malcolm X was a renegade, Martin Luther King was a renegade.' I put him in that direction and he came up with really great lyrics. John and I co–produced 'Renegades Of Funk' [1984] and it was one of the last things we did with Bambaataa. After that, we did 'Frantic Situation', which pretty much sucks, but among all the records I've made I'd have to say that 'Planet Rock', 'Looking For The Perfect Beat' and 'Renegades Of Funk' are the three I'm most proud of."



    Shout Out


     



    A list of places to be name-checked in 'Planet Rock' were jotted on the back of the track sheet."The idea of naming different cities was adapted from James Brown who'd always say things like, 'Yo, Atlanta,' or whatever. I figured this was going to be an international record, and so if we're talking about the planet then let's write down all of these cities, and not just in America, which is why we ended up using Berlin, Lisbon, London and so on. Still, we had to have somewhere on the record that featured Bambaataa, and it was my idea to have the call-and-response. We did that on the first three records with Soulsonic, because I just felt that people would relate better.


     "Without the rap I think the track would have been groundbreaking, changing the direction of music, but an element would have been missing and it wouldn't have been a hit. As it is, everything on the record played a part, as did everyone who was involved in its making, including Jay Burnett, who did a great job of engineering and whose voice is the one going 'rock rock to the planet rock, don't stop.' He actually begged me, 'Can I do it? Can I do the voice?' I said, 'Oh, sure,' and then a couple of months later he wanted points on the record! He didn't come up with the idea, so on Bambaataa's next record, 'Perfect Beat', I did those little vocal parts to ensure nobody came after me for points."


     Machine Music


    "In the end, dance music became a sort of socialist art form", explains Arthur Baker. "Everyone now has the same equipment, and so they just use their creativity and see what they can come up with. You know, someone was going to make the first record that heavily used machines, and it just happened to be us by virtue of the sound and the drum machine. If it hadn't been us, at some point someone else would have inspired people to go out and buy drum machines and synths. When we used them, we didn't try to make them sound like real instruments, whereas the likes of Human League were trying to get a machine–oriented record such as 'Don't You Want Me Baby' to sound like a real band. That's not what we were aiming to do.


     "When we did 'Planet Rock', we weren't trying to be different. It just turned out that way and initially we decided to keep going with it. However, we then went in another direction with 'Looking For The Perfect Beat', going for that crazy, mad professor vibe while others were busy making rap records. That's what I meant by 'beat this'. We were definitely laying down a challenge to Sugarhill, Def Jam and all the other labels — 'You won't be able to figure out what we're doing here.' Sure, it was an ego thing, but at the end of the day, when I listen to 'Perfect Beat' I think I get even more chills than when I listen to 'Planet Rock'."




    "Planet Rock" (1982)

     Peaking at #48 on the Hot 100 in September 1982, "Planet Rock" was just the third rap song on that chart, following "Rappers Delight" by The Sugarhill Gang (#36, 1979) and "The Breaks" by Kurtis Blow (#87, 1980). But compared to other rap songs of the era, "Planet Rock" was in a different galaxy. Built around synthesizers and electronic elements, it was the template for a different class of hip-hop.



    Bambaataa (birth name: Kevin Donovan) was a New York DJ with an encyclopedic knowledge of music. One of the songs he often played in his set was a 1977 track by the German Electro band Kraftwerk called "Trans-Europe Express." After Bambaataa signed with Tommy Boy Records, their chairman, Tom Silverman, suggested using the song as the basis for a new composition. In a 1988 interview with Keyboard magazine, Silverman explained how it came together: "I thought it would be a great idea to use those rhythms and that kind of a sound in a black record, so Bambaataa and I went into the studio with Arthur Baker as the producer. We needed a guy to put synthesizers down, and somebody recommended John Robie, who had a danceable rock record out on this disco deejay service. He came over and we went into Intergalactic Studio, which, for $35 an hour, included a Neve board, a Fairlight, a Memorymoog, and a Roland TR-808. That was pretty much all we used. We had these giant orchestra hits in the tune, played in polyphony to make them sound even bigger. They were stock sounds from one of the Fairlight disks. Today, those chords are still the basis for samples on about 50 other records!"


     
    Even though this interpolated Kraftwerk's song "Trans-Europe Express," it didn't sample it directly. The three credited writers of "Planet Rock" are Bambaataa, producer Arthur Baker, and John Robie, who played the synthesizer.


     
    Arthur Baker, who produced this song, used many of the same musical elements on another project he was working on around the same time: an electro cover of Eddy Grant's song "Walking On Sunshine" by his group Rockers Revenge. "Sunshine" wasn't a hit in the US, but made it to #4 in the UK. Baker compared what he was doing to jazz, which was taking familiar hooks and adding something new to them. He also knew that Kraftwerk was popular with kids in New York City, but their record company wasn't pushing them there, which left the market open.


     
    The proving ground for this song was a New York City club called The Funhouse, which drew a diverse crowd of about 2,500 revelers on Friday and Saturday nights. Bambaataa's label, Tommy Boy Records, would play their songs there to see if they were release-worthy.


     
    Released as a 12" single, Tommy Boy Records claimed that the song sold about 700,000 copies, making it one of the best-sellers ever in that format. The song was wildly popular in New York, where there were radio stations that played the song, but throughout the rest of the country, few stations would touch it. Since the Hot 100 was based on radio play and reports from selected record stores, "Planet Rock" achieved a meager chart position relative to its impact.


    A year earlier, Afrika Bambaataa released a song called "Jazzy Sensation" on Tommy Boy, this time with his rap crew dubbed "The Jazzy 5." The song was based on "Funky Sensation" by Gwen McGrae, and teamed Bambaataa with producer Arthur Baker for the first time. When they released "Planet Rock" the next year, it was with a different set of MCs: The Soulsonic Force. This was a time when the DJ was considered the star and the rappers could be interchangeable.


     
    In addition to "Trans-Europe Express," elements of another Kraftwerk song, "Numbers," also appear in this song, as does some of the synthesizer arrangement from the 1972 cover of "Theme From For A Few Dollars More" by the group Babe Ruth. For A Few Dollars More was a 1965 Western with the theme written by Ennio Morricone.



    Regarding the Kraftwerk influence, Bambaataa said in The Face: "I don't think they even knew how big they were among the black masses back in '77 when they came out with 'Trans Europe Express.' When that came out I thought that was one of the best and weirdest damn records I ever heard in my life... That's an amazing group to see – just to see what computers and all that can do."


     
    Note that Bambaataa took us to "Planet Rock," not "Planet Rap." Early practitioners of hip-hop considered their music an offshoot of rock, with rapping just one aspect of the art. Bambaataa was a DJ, so it made sense that his planet would rock, not rap. Over the next few years, Run-D.M.C. proclaimed themselves "King of Rock," LL Cool J Rocked The Bells, and Whodini got spooked in the "The Haunted House Of Rock."


    The term "rap" came to describe this music to a broad audience after "Rapper's Delight" was released in 1979, focusing attention on the rappers, not the producers or the DJ. In 1970, the term was used in song to describe a guy who smooth talks women: "The Rapper" was a #2 hit for The Jaggerz.


     
    Kraftwerk took issue with the group using the samples without permission and sued the record label. The settlement gave the German band a dollar for every record sold, leading Tommy Boy to charge more for the single to offset the loss.



    "Looking For The Perfect Beat"

    For the follow-up to Afrika Bambaataa & The Soulsonic Force's groundbreaking electro hip-hop tune "P|lanet Rock," producers Arthur Baker and John Robie were literally looking for the perfect beat.



    "We had a problem coming up with one beat that could compete with the beat we had done from 'Planet Rock' which everyone was sort of doing," Baker told Red Bull Music Academy in a 2014 beat:repeat episode. "I just wanted to do something different. That's where 'Looking for the Perfect Beat' came from." Like its predecessor, the tune is regarded as an influential track in the early hip-hop canon for its pioneering use of the Roland TR-808 drum machine and other electro instrumentation.


     
    Robie explained how the galactic-funk track came together in an unconventional fashion. "Tradition usually dictated that you'd have like a sequencer part, a chord part, a bass part," he said. "This was just a free-for-all. Lots of sixteenth notes doing whatever they wanted to do it. And, you worked it out later."



    The producers also built the arrangement while they were mixing it live. "We actually constructed new patterns by pulling things in and out of the mix selectively," Robie explained. "Editing was a very important part of those mixers 'cause nothing was linear. That created an element of surprise."

     
    Like "Planet Rock," this track features the Roland TR-808 drum machine, which the producers were eager to explore further. Said Robie: "It wasn't like other conventional drum machines where you'd establish a beats per minute and then you'd have to listen to a click track then play a drum along with the click. You can basically play and change your mind and add. It was very, very liberating. It wasn't like work, it was like play."



    He continued: "After the 808 beats are put onto tape, we can manipulate those beats even further by pulling things in and out of the mix or adding effects to the individual drums. The mixing board becomes an instrument in itself. You're playing it like a piano or a guitar."



    The TR-808 became a fixture in hip-hop and dance tracks for its booming bass drum rhythms. Kanye West paid tribute to the TR-808 in the title of his 2008 album, 808s and Heartbreak, which prominently featured the classic drum machine.


     
    Afrika Bambaataa, a Bronx-born DJ and leader of the electro-funk ensemble, explained the meaning behind the song in a 2012 interview: "'Looking for the Perfect Beat' is that everybody got something in their heart that they're looking for which is that perfect beat, whether you're dealing with mathematics, science, or anything that you look for in life with that perfect beat. And at the other side of the record, when you saying each other country was looking for the perfect beat, and they didn't listen, like they still not listening today, and at the end you hear that big 'BOOM' go."


     
    In another interview from 2018, Baker explained how the song was a jab at Sugar Hill Records founder Sylvia Robinson. She was also the renowned record producer behind Soulsonic Force's rival rap group Sugarhill Gang, who recorded the seminal hip-hop classic "Rappers delight." He said: "I came up with the concept of looking for the perfect beat and 'beat this.' It was almost a taunt at Sylvia, because there was definitely competition between us and Sugar Hill. It was like a challenge. It was really adventurous. I didn't wanna do a typical rap record."


     
    This has been sampled several times, including on Bomb the Bass' hip-hop/house track "Beat Dis" (1987), Moby's "Bodyrock" (1999), LL Cool J's "Control Myself" (2006), and DJ Khaled's "Holla At Me" (2006).






    Universal Zulu Nation Changes Leadership After Afrika Bambaataa Allegations


     “At the end of day we still have unsubstantiated claims from alleged victims who all have seemed to be more focused on self promotion, sensationalism, revenge and some form of payment,” DJ-producer’s lawyer says

    By Daniel Kreps




    The Universal Zulu Nation announced Friday that they have undergone extensive changes in their leadership a month after its founder and hip-hop pioneer Afrika Bambaataa was accused of sexually abusing a teenager in the early Eighties. “As part of this restructure ALL accused parties and those accused of covering up the current allegations of child molestation have been removed and have stepped down from their current positions,” the hip-hop awareness organization said in their statement Friday.

     Although the announcement did not mention Bambaataa by name, it did allude to his current situation. “As an organization we are in a very difficult position because we are being asked to condemn one of our founders based on testimony through social media alone. We cannot do this,” the organization said (via Pitchfork).

     Following the Universal Zulu Nation’s announcement Friday, Bambaataa’s lawyer Charles Tucker Jr. said in a statement to Rolling Stone, “Bambaataa has not been part of the leadership for years. At the end of day we still have unsubstantiated claims from alleged victims who all have seemed to be more focused on self promotion, sensationalism, revenge and some form of payment. There can’t be a cover-up from acts that never occurred.

     “The real tragedy is that this has drawn attention away from real victims who are abused every day in our country. There was never a pursuit for any kind of justice in this and it stinks all the way around. The agendas of those involved are quite clear, Zulu Nation will continue to do the great work that they do and Bambaataa will continue to work tirelessly combatting all forms of violence and giving a voice to those real victims of violence in communities across the nation of who many in the media seems to have forgotten about.”


     In April, a man named Ronald Savage claimed to the New York Daily News that, at the age of 15, he was molested by Bambaataa while serving as a “crate boy” for the producer in the early Eighties. Savage, who detailed the allegations in a recent memoir, also revealed to the newspaper that he was offered $50,000 by unnamed members of the Zulu Nation to keep his claims against Bambaataa quiet.


    In a statement to Rolling Stone, Bambaataa called Savage’s claim “baseless” and a “cowardly attempt to tarnish my reputation and legacy.”


     “I, Afrike Bambaataa, want to take this opportunity at the advice of my legal counsel to personally deny any and all allegations of any type of sexual molestation of anyone,” Bambaataa continued. “These allegations are baseless and are a cowardly attempt to tarnish my reputation and legacy in hip-hop at this time. This negligent attack on my character will not stop me from continuing my battle and standing up against the violence in our communities, the violence in the nation and the violence worldwide.”

     In the ensuing weeks, three other people stepped forward alleging they were sexually abused by Bambaataa.

     Despite not outright condemning their founder, the Universal Zulu Nation organization didn’t disregard those making the allegations against Bambaataa. “We also cannot dismiss the comments of parties asserting they have been harmed. We have a duty to search for truth. We also need to be mindful that if these allegations are true that victims discussing this in a public forum has not come easily,” they added.


    “We the Universal Zulu Nation wish to extend great sympathy to anyone affected by such issues. We know that respect and compassion need to be at the forefront of how we deal with such topics in the future, this has been a lesson in learning for us… We are saddened by current events. Not only because of the trial by social media of which we have been subjected to as an organization, but because until now the previous leaders and founders have been ineffective at being able to respond in a way which our members and associates deserve of us.” 


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    04/3/2020 11:47 am  #2124


    Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

    Album 568.
    Metallica.....................Master Of Puppets (1986)









    One of the most influential heavy metal albums of all time. This album and the previous are the reasons Metallica is often regarded as one of the top 10 metal bands of all time.


     It follows a similar track sequencing to Ride the Lightning; first an up-tempo song with acoustic opening ("Fight Fire with Fire" and "Battery"), then the lengthy title track ("Ride the Lightning and "Master of Puppets"), then as the fourth track a power ballad ("Fade to Black and Welcome Home (Sanitarium"), then closing the album with an epic instrumental piece ("The Call of Ktulu and "Orion") and a fast thrash metal song ("Creeping Death" and "Damage Inc"), only in reverse order for Ride the Lightning.


     The topics of the lyrics range from an homage to the band’s fans (“Battery”), to drugs (title track), to the H.P. Lovecraft monster Cthulu ("The Thing That Should Not Be), to inmates in an insane asylum (“Welcome Home (Sanitarium)”), to corrupt generals in wars (Disposable Heroes), to corruption in religion ("Leper Messiah) and, finally, to destructive corporations (“Damage Inc.”).


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    04/3/2020 3:22 pm  #2125


    Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

    Listened to record 566 there, only really enjoyed the opener, which is prescient of more recent mash-ups.

     

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