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28/6/2019 10:41 am  #1926


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

PatReilly wrote:

Didn't pay too much attention to Porcupine when it came out: for some odd reason, this was to do with travelling up and down on the train with groups of 'casuals' from other clubs (Motherwell and Hibs mostly) to matches, not actually sitting beside them please note: I was turned off from EatB for a number of years. This because they seemed one of the 'in' bands with these fancy Dan golfing clad types.

Aware of the singles of course, but on listening to the album properly it is a mini classic of the time, and the songs have aged quite well. 

Reading that NME review by Barney Hoskyns (published the same day John Clark made his starting debut for United as a superfluous fact), he criticises excessive overproduction while being blissfully lacking in self awareness of his own flowery literary style.

Overall, I enjoyed EatB's later stuff, when I had become less of a musical snob in dismissing certain bands and artists by association.

Good post Pat


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28/6/2019 10:43 am  #1927


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Album 527.
Eurythmics..........................(Sweet Dreams Are Made Of This)   (1983)













Blurb to follow as running late for an appointment. 

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30/6/2019 2:14 am  #1928


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

'Porcupine' has indeed 'aged well'.

 

 

01/7/2019 7:26 am  #1929


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Been down South for the weekend, so will catch up the night when I get home.


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02/7/2019 11:39 pm  #1930


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Album 526.
ZZ Top.............................Eliminator   (1983)












I don't know about the rest of you, but when I think o' ZZ Top I think of the videos and the glamorous women.
When this album came out I would have been about 25 and having the time of my life, I have a vague feeling that video juke boxes were just coming out, and there was a pub (for the life of me I can't remember it's name) on the corner of The Seagate if memory serves, that had one and that's where I first saw the ZZ Top Videos. We never had MTV in meh hoose as my old man said it was full of poofs (go dad,) but if anyone can remember the name o' that pub I'd be much obliged.


Anyways to the album, "Gimme All Your Lovin' " is a crackin' way to start an album I can still recall vividly the boy in the garage's face when the 3 girls get oot the motor in the video, this and "Sharp Dressed Man," along with "Legs," (another great vid btw) are stand out tracks but the whole album is full of great tracks, Billy Gibbons earthy vocals and non-showayaffy  but superb guitary stuff, Dusty Hill's throbbing bass and Frank Beards incessant drumming, this was a truly mighty trio.


I liked this album, and although this one had 3 superb singles on it I also liked "Tres Hombres," (the other ZZ Top album so far in this book) so I'm gonna download both and listen to them as much as I can in the next week and then make a decision on which one to put into my collection.





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Have already written about ZZ Top in post #1144 (if interested)


ZZ Top, ‘Eliminator’ZZ Top's Eliminator was the hands-down party album of the decade, pleasing hard-core boogie freaks and New Wave ironists alike with its bluesy vamping, tawdry lyrics and chic, trashy videos. You practically had to be in a coma not to have found some opportunity to dance to "Legs," "Sharp Dressed Man" and "Gimme All Your Lovin'" in 1983. ZZ Top had enjoyed million-selling albums in the Seventies, but Eliminator outsold all the band's previous releases. Most amazing of all, the album suddenly made the Texas trio with two of the longest beards in Christendom the hippest and hottest thing in rock & roll.


 "We still sometimes wonder what exactly did transpire to make those sessions dramatically different," says guitarist Billy Gibbons. "I suppose it might have been a return to playing together as a band in the studio as we did onstage."


 Many of the songs were written backstage during the Deguello tour. "Those dressing-room sessions that so many traveling bands talk about really are invaluable to creating a body of studio work," says Gibbons. The band was determined to keep that dressing-room ambience alive when it went in to record. Eliminator was cut at Ardent Recording, in Memphis, a city whose musical heritage of Stax-Volt soul and Beale Street blues rubbed off on ZZ Top. "There was quite a stirring of sentiment around 1983 in Memphis," Gibbons recalls. "The city is steeped in a very time-honored and strong tradition. It's in the air. There was a soulful element in that period of time that affected the way we were playing."

 A trip to England prior to the sessions yielded its own influences, with the band taking in synth pop and the intense fashion consciousness of its "new romantic" practitioners. The modern technology inspired the band members to have a go at synths themselves, while the cool threads they had seen on the streets of London inspired them to write "Sharp Dressed Man."


 The synthesizers the band began noodling around on at Ardent happened to be primitive analogue models, with lots of wires and dials and no presets. "When we finally did return from England to get our work done, I think curiosity was a real magnet to turning on those things," says Gibbons. "What you got was a bunch of cowpokes on blues twisting knobs from outer space." But it worked: The synthesizers — layered organically amid guitars, bass and drums — contributed to Eliminator's dense, bluesy feel. "Synthesizer meets soul was a good combo," Gibbons says.


 Often lyrics were inspired by real-life situations. "Legs," for instance, came about one rainy day on the way to the studio. "There was a young lady dodging the raindrops, and being obliging Southerners, we spun the car around," says Gibbons. "No sooner had we turned around to pick her up — boom! — she'd vanished. And we said, 'That girl's got legs, and she knows how to use them.'"


 Another song, "TV Dinners," was inspired by seeing those very words stenciled on the back of a woman's jumpsuit on the dance floor of a funky nightclub on the east side of Memphis. "I was stunned," says Gibbons, deadpan. "It was just that moment — there it is, a gift. I mean why, other than to inspire us, would she have walked past sporting TV Dinners on her jumpsuit?"


 As Eliminator gathered steam, Gibbons and bassist Dusty Hill's flowing, belt-length beards became a visual symbol of ZZ Top. At one point, the Gillette company actually offered to pay them to shave off their beards on national television. "Our reply was 'Can't do it, simply because underneath 'em is too ugly,'" says Gibbons, guffawing.



"Gimme All Tour Lovin' "


This was the first ZZ Top single to use synthesizers; the new sound made them a huge commercial success. Lyrically, the song is a variation on a common theme for the band: sex.


 
Van Halen followed ZZ Top's lead a few months later when they used synthesizers on their album 1984. Most of their fans didn't mind, since it still featured the guitar of Eddie Van Halen.


 
The video was ZZ Top's first and also the first to have a sequel. Wildly successful on MTV, the clip showed a mechanic/gas station attendant who is working when three beautiful women appear in "The Eliminator," which was a 1933 Ford Hot Rod owned by Billy Gibbons. Our hero gets the keys to the car, and goes for a ride with the ladies, who return him some time later.




In a brilliant move, they left room for a sequel, as he sees the car driving off. The story picks up in the video for "Sharp Dressed Man," where the guy is now a valet. Establishing the car and the girls as iconic images of ZZ Top helped them wow the younger generation. The car was so popular that Gibbons had another one made to take on tour.


 
This was the first single from the Eliminator album, which went Diamond, meaning it sold over 10 million copies.


 
The video for this song helped pay off the car that starred in it. Billy Gibbons estimates that he spent about $250,000 buying and restoring the car, and was deep in debt on the vehicle. By putting the car in the video, it became a business expense, and thus a write-off. The car was used on the album cover and became a personification of the band.



The video was directed by Tim Newman (Randy's brother), who did all of the ZZ Top videos with the girls and cars. By using these props, he defined the band's image without making them work very hard. Newman said in the book I Want My MTV: "The song seemed to be about a horny, yearning kid. So I had the idea to base it around a guy who worked at a gas station in the middle of nowhere. I would not be making a huge demand on ZZ Top's acting ability if I cast them in the role of mythological characters."


 
That famous ZZ Top hand gesture started with the video for this song. It wasn't planned: The band had to do several takes as the car drove by, and they were instructed to watch it. With about 20 minutes between each take, they came up with the gesture out of boredom.


 
One of the girls in the video was Jeana Keough, who was Playboy's Miss November in 1980. She starred in all four videos featuring the Eliminator.



"Sharp Dressed Man"

ZZ Top were never considered sex symbols or fashion icons, but they were convincing in this song about how rich, well-dressed men are irresistible to women. This being the '80s, a silk suit was considered fashionable, although ZZ Top were much more comfortable in denim.



In a 1985 interview with Spin magazine, bass player Dusty Hill explained: "Sharp-dressed depends on who you are. If you're on a motorcycle, really sharp leather is great. If you're a punk rocker, you can get sharp that way. You can be sharp or not sharp in any mode. It's all in your head. If you feel sharp, you be sharp."


 
According to Billy Gibbons, he got the idea for this song when he saw a movie and a character was listed in the credits as "Sharp-Eyed Man" (possibly the 1981 film The Amateur).


 
The music video was the first that was a sequel. It picked up the story from the "Gimme All Your Lovin'" video of the down-on-his-luck gas station worker who is swept away by three beautiful women. In "Sharp Dressed Man," he's a valet, and he encounters the same three girls and is once again given the keys to the Eliminator, Billy Gibbons' 1933 Ford Hot Rod.


 
This was one of the first ZZ Top songs to use synthesizers. Mixed with Billy Gibbons' distinctive guitar, it gave them a new sound without alienating their old fans. It also helped that ZZ Top used their synths for bass, keeping the sound more heavy and less Human League. Gibbons called it "a successful marriage of a techno beat with bar band blues."


 
After the second chorus, Billy Gibbons solos on guitar for over a minute before the third verse appears. He filled this section with lots of twists and turns to keep it interesting, and layered two guitars to create a compound track. For one of those guitar lines, he played a Fender Esquire with a slide; the other he played on his 1959 Les Paul ("Pearly Gates") in standard tuning.



The final chorus ends three minutes into the song, followed by another minute or so of instrumental outro.



These instrumental sections were truncated on the single, which was cut down to 3:01 from the 4:13 album version. The video used the full song.


This song attracted a slew of new fans to ZZ Top when the video ran constantly on MTV. Their long beards made them instantly recognizable and the babes certainly helped, but the car was the real star.


 
Previous ZZ Top albums had a Tex-Mex vibe, but when it came time to sort out visuals for the album, the hot rod was finally ready - Gibbons had been working on it for years. It was good timing, giving them an MTV-friendly focal point just when they needed it. They had never made videos before and had no acting experience, but their videos provided everything MTV's target audience craved: girls, rock and roll, and a really sweet ride.


 
ZZ Top performed this at the 1997 VH1 Fashion Awards while male models walked the runway. In order to keep up their strictly heterosexual image, a bunch of beautiful women danced around the band during the performance.


 
The video vixens included Jeana Tomasino and Danièle Arnaud - nobody seems to know the identity of the third girl. Tomasina would later become Jeana Keogh and star in The Real Housewives of Orange County.




"Legs"

In a 1985 interview with Spin magazine, ZZ Top guitarist Billy Gibbons explained the inspiration for this song: "I was driving in Los Angeles, and there was this unusual downpour. And there was a real pretty girl on the side of the road. I passed her, and then I thought, 'Well, I'd better pull over' or at least turn around and offer her a ride, and by the time I got back she was gone. Her legs were the first thing I noticed. Then I noticed that she had a Brooke Shields hairdo that was in danger of falling. She was not going to get wet. She had legs and she knew how to use them."


 
Feminist groups criticized this song for objectifying women, although ZZ Top had been releasing songs with playful, yet sexually charged lyrics for years. Their first hit was "Tush" in 1975, which was probably more offensive, but the band was less popular then so it drew fewer protests.


 
The video was very popular. Just like their videos for "Gimme All Your Lovin'" and "Sharp Dressed Man," it featured Billy Gibbons' 1933 Ford Hot Rod, which he called The Eliminator. The big difference in "Legs" is that the main character is a girl.



The video had the same director (Tim Newman) and featured the three "Eliminator Girls," but instead of sweeping a guy off in the Eliminator, the models rescue a girl who desperately needs some confidence. They give her a makeover and teach her how to handle guys to get what she wants.



The band also appeared in the clip, but were secondary to the girls and the car. Billy Gibbons and Dusty Hill had been growing their beards for four years, so they were instantly recognizable, and the shot of their fuzzy guitars rotating when they took their hands off the instruments became a classic early-MTV image. The network was in its third year and did not have a huge amount of videos in its library, and "Legs" became a mainstay.


 
Eliminator was the first ZZ Top album to use synthesizers. The new sound, along with the exposure on MTV, helped the album sell over 10 million copies.


 
Two of the girls in the video were Playboy models: Jeana Tomasino (later Jeana Keogh) was Miss November, 1980, and Kymberly Herrin (in the red top) was Miss March, 1981. They joined Daniele Arnaud as the Eliminator Girls.



Tomasino and Arnaud also starred in the first two ZZ Top videos, which featured a third girl that Herrin replaced for "Legs." The girl who gets the makeover is Wendy Frazier.



The car and the Eliminator Girls returned for one more ZZ Top video: "Sleeping Bag."


From a songwriting perspective, this one hits the mark as one that is instantly understood on a universal level, which gave it huge hit potential. Craig Goldy, who was a guitarist in the band Dio and later became a staff songwriter at Warner Bros., told us: "'She's got legs, she knows how to use 'em.' The first two lines, the story's done. Nobody's going, 'What's this song about?'"


 
ZZ Top cut a multimillion dollar deal in 1988 for this to be used in a series of TV commercials for Leg's pantyhose..

"The Little Old Band From Texas" formed in Houston in 1969...

 Its Billy Gibbons on vocals and guitar, Dusty Hill on vocals and bass, and Frank Beard handles drums.

 The band had a string of lower-charting hits through the 1970s...including "La Grange" (#41/1974), Tush" (#20/1975), and "Arrested For Driving While Blind" (#91/1977).


 ZZ Top took some time off from 1977 through 1979...only to come roaring back...to hit their stride in the "Big Decade!"
 "Legs" would be ZZ Top's first top-10 record, landing at #8 in the summer of 1984!

 In 1985, Billy Gibbons said that he was inspired to write the song...by a chance sighting! He was driving through a heavy downpour in Los Angeles, when he saw a pretty girl along the side of the road. "Well I'd better pull over, or at least turn around and offer her a ride," Gibbons thinks to himself.


 By the time that he gets turned around, the girl is gone.


 Her legs were the first thing that he noticed. Her hair (getting wet) was second.

 Gibbons realizes: "She was not going to get wet. She had legs, and she knew how to use them."

 The rest is rock and roll history.


 Feminist groups criticized ZZ Top for the song, saying that the hit objectified women.


 For years, ZZ Top had been (and is still) singing playful, and sexually-charged, lyrics. I mentioned the 1975 hit "Tush" at the top of today's "Fun Facts." They were criticized then, as well...


 The video (above) was very popular, with heavy MTV airplay!

 Like the videos for "Gimme All Your Lovin'" and "Sharp Dressed Man," the "Legs" video features Gibbons' 1933 Hot Rod.

 The difference this time is, the main character in the video isn't the car...its a girl...with legs.


 The same three Playboy models are featured...but this time, instead of sweeping a guy off his feet and into the hot rod...they rescue a girl who needs some confidence boosting. They give her a makeover...and teach her how to get what she wants from a guy...


 The guys from ZZ Top are once again in the video...and the image of their fuzzy guitars rotating became a classic early-MTV image (I wouldn't be surprised to see one of those  promos, featuring the spinning guitars, show up on the newly-christened "MTV Classic" channel).


 Gibbon's name for his hot rod? "Eliminator."

 "Legs" is on the "Eliminator" album...the first ZZ Top album to feature synthesizers. It is widely believed that the synthesizers, along with the MTV airplay, led to an excess of 10 million copies of the album flying off record store shelves.


 "She's got legs...and she knows how to use them."


 The opening lines of this hit song...tell the whole story.



I found this QI

 Billy Gibbons: My Life in 15 Songs  ZZ Top’s guitarist on how the Stones, Devo and a backwoods cathouse inspired some supercharged Texas-blues classics



 Singer-guitarist Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top can remember exactly when his life in music truly began: Christmas Day 1962. He was 13 and "the first guitar landed in my lap," Gibbons says, a fond smile breaking through his trademark beard. "It was a Gibson Melody Maker, single pickup. I took off to the bedroom and figured out the intro to 'What'd I Say,' by Ray Charles. Then I stumbled into a Jimmy Reed thing." He hums one of the legendary bluesman's signature licks. "He was the good-luck charm. I'd play Jimmy Reed going to sleep at night — and in the morning."


 At 65, Gibbons — born in a Houston suburb, the son of a pianist-conductor — has played the blues for more than half a century, across 15 ZZ Top albums with bassist Dusty Hill and drummer Frank Beard, including the 1983 10-million-selling smash Eliminator. That record, with its synthesized riffs and modernist grooves, reflected the long-standing adventure in Gibbons' devotion to the blues, from his teenage psychedelic band the Moving Sidewalks up to his new solo debut, Perfectamundo, a peppery Afro-Cuban twist on his roots. "We don't posture ourselves as anything other than interpreters," Gibbons says of ZZ Top. He also notes something the late producer Jim Dickinson told him after the band made Eliminator: "He said, 'You have taken blues to a very surreal plane. And it still holds the tradition.'"



Moving Sidewalks, “99th Floor” (1967)



Nobody could escape the British Invasion. "99th Floor" was part Beatles and part Rolling Stones. The triplet drumbeat came off "Taxman"; the chord change was from a Rolling Stones single. The 13th Floor Elevators were a band from Austin — we started drifting into what they were doing: psychedelic sounds. The idea for "99th Floor" was, if the Elevators were going up, I was going further. 



Jimi Hendrix, “Red House” (1967)



A buddy said, "There's a song that you oughta hear." He was talking about "Red House," by Jimi Hendrix, and that completely turned us upside down. It was blues taken beyond. Then the Sidewalks got hired to join the Experience tour in 1968. We didn't have enough material for 45 minutes, so we started doing "Purple Haze." I looked over and Hendrix was in the wings, wide-eyed, grinning. We had seen his showman antics from older blues guitarists. But he had a vision and aura. I remember him tiptoeing across the hall at the hotel: "Come in here. Do you know how this is done?" He was learning chops off Jeff Beck's first record, Truth.



“Just Got Paid” (1972)



This was inspired by Peter Green's opening figure in [Fleetwood Mac's] "Oh Well." I was living in Los Angeles, sitting on the steps of this apartment. It was raining and I couldn't go anywhere, so I was trying to learn this figure. It got all tangled up. And it stayed tangled.



“La Grange” (1973)



You had this explosion of Southern rock. But Texas was different — Southern enough but off to the side. We were extolling the virtues of our proximity to Mexico and that gunslinger mentality. "La Grange" was one of the rites of passage for a young man. It was a cathouse, way back in the woods. The simplicity of that song was part of the magic — only two chords. And the break coming out of the solo — those notes are straight Robert Johnson. He did it as a shuffle. I just dissected the notes.



“Jesus Just Left Chicago” (1973)



There was a buddy of mine when we were teenagers — everybody called him R&B Jr. He had all these colloquialisms. He blurted out "Jesus just left Chicago" during a phone conversation and it just stuck. We took what could have been an easy 12-bar blues and made it more interesting by adding those odd extra measures. It's the same chords as "La Grange" with the Robert Johnson lick, but weirder. Robert Johnson was country blues — not that shiny hot-rod electric stuff. But there was a magnetic appeal: "What can we take and interpret in some way?"



“Heard It on the X” (1975)


hose border stations from Mexico would come in like a police call. XERF could be picked up in Hawaii, parts of Western Europe. It was fascinating to hear all of that blues and R&B on the radio. And Wolfman Jack, who was on XERF — man, he made the stuff out of control.

 "Heard It on the X" was a celebration, acknowledging that influence. To this day, Frank, Dusty and I share the same influences. It's in the first line: "Do you remember back in 1966?/Country, Jesus, hillbilly, blues/That's where I learned my licks." What you were hearing was indelible.



“Tush” (1975)

 We were in Florence, Alabama, playing in a rodeo arena with a dirt floor. We decided to play a bit in the afternoon. I hit that opening lick, and Dave Blayney, our lighting director, gave us the hand [twirls a finger in the air]: "Keep it going." I leaned over to Dusty and said, "Call it 'Tush.'"

 [The Texas singer] Roy Head had a flip side in 1966, "Tush Hog." Down South, the word meant deluxe, plush. And a tush hog was very deluxe. We had the riff going, Dusty fell in with the vocal, and we wrote it in three minutes. We had the advantage of that dual meaning of the word "tush" [grins]. It's that secret blues language — saying it without saying it.


“I Thank You” (1979)



I remember hearing the Sam and Dave single on the radio in Houston; I was turning the corner onto the Gulf Freeway, going to my grandmother's house. Shortly thereafter, we were off to Memphis to record. I got to the studio and said, "Man, I heard that Sam and Dave song. I'd forgotten how good it was. It's that keyboard part." Lo and behold, the very clavinet used on their recording was in the studio. We fired it up, and it was ready to go. There was no way we were going to do Sam and Dave exact. But if you're going to take a shot, make it a good one. That album was our first for Warner Bros., and they were doing such a good job. The song was our message — not only to the fans and friends but to the label guys.



“Manic Mechanic” (1979)

 As a kid, I'd stand on the front seat of my parents' car, watching cars coming in the opposite direction. And I could name 'em all. My dad bought a Dodge Dart — an entry-level, economy-priced car. It had no radio. The only amenity was a heater — talk about miserable, driving in that during those Texas summers. The sound you hear on the intro is that 1964 Dart.

 I still have that car. It would not die. I do very little mechanic work, but I was at a speed shop in Pomona, California. The head honcho saw me with a wrench, going under a car, and said, "God, get out of there. That exhaust system is hot, and that beard is like a bale of hay." But I love those crazy automobiles.



“Groovy Little Hippie Pad” (1981)

 I saw Devo doing a soundcheck at a Houston club, a country & western bar, of all places. I had heard their first album and kind of dug it. One of the guys in the band was playing a Minimoog, and he did this figure on it [hums a bouncy robotlike riff]. He was just noodling around. But it was enough.

 What came out of that was "Groovy Little Hippie Pad" — same figure. It was a direct derivative of punk. Devo was a big influence on that album — and the B-52s as well. They had that song "Party Out of Bounds." Our song "Party on the Patio" was an extension of that. [The critic] Lester Bangs played it for some punks in New York, and they dug it. It proved we weren't just a boogie band. We had this New Wave edge.




“Gimme All Your Lovin” (1983)

 We had dabbled with the synthesizer, and then all this gear was showing up from manufacturers. We threw caution to the winds. This was one of the first tracks that started unfolding.

 That video was the big car connection. I started that project, building the Eliminator [ZZ Top's customized 1930s Ford Coupe], in 1976. We were shooting in California, but I still owed the builder $150,000. I went to the accountant: "It's on the album cover. Can I get a write-off?"

 "Yeah, you're promoting your business."

 I scared up the dough and paid it off.



“Sharp Dressed Man” (1983)



I went to see a film. The credits were rolling, and one of the players was described as "Sharp Eyed Man." That started it. The track had this heavyweight bass line from a synthesizer. You know who was poppin' at this time? Depeche Mode. I went to see them one night, and it was a mind-bender. No guitars, no drums. It was all coming from the machines. But they had blues threads going through their stuff. I went backstage; I had to meet these guys. They were surprised — "What brings you here?" I said, "Man, the heaviness." We became friends. Martin Gore was a guitar player trapped behind the synthesizers. He was like, "Man, let's talk guitar."



“My Head’s in Mississippi” (1990)

 My buddy Walter Baldwin spoke in the most poetic way. Every sentence was a visual awakening. His dad was the editor of the Houston Post. We grew up in a neighborhood where the last thing you would say is, "These teenagers know what blues is." But our appreciation dragged us in.

 Years later, we were sitting in a tavern in Memphis called Sleep Out Louie's — you could see the Mississippi River. Walter said, "We didn't grow up pickin' cotton. We weren't field hands in Mississippi. But my head's there." Our platform, in ZZ Top, was we'd be the Salvador Dalí of the Delta. It was a surrealist take. This song was not a big radio hit. But we still play it live, even if it's just the opening bit.



“I Gotsta Get Paid” (2012)

 I heard "25 Lighters" [a 1998 Houston rap single by DJ DMD, Lil' Keke and Fat Pat] when it came out. It was so peculiar I couldn't forget about it. We were in the studio and [co-producer] Rick Rubin called up: "We need one more song." Our engineer Gary Moon was in the other room, watching Lightnin' Hopkins on YouTube. An earful of that prompted me to blurt out "25 Lighters." Gary said, "I engineered that." Isn't that ironic?

 We put the two [sounds] together for "I Gotsta Get Paid." It was legit ghetto. Hip-hop is the cry of angst that propelled the blues. If blues is the highest of highs, lowest of lows and all points in between, what comes out runs right through hip-hop.



“Treat Her Right” (2015)

 The tune had a Texas legitimacy. The Roy Head single came out of Houston. And it was not about girls. It was about heroin. That a hit like that got through in 1965 — that's as blues as you can get, saying it without saying it.

 The Afro-Cuban thing — it seemed to make sense there. The song goes so far back that most people like this because of the feel rather than "What an interesting twist on that old song." But there is that constant presence: Texas. It's this thing that helps make everything cool.


After listening to these tracks I'd buy the album.


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03/7/2019 8:52 am  #1931


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

ZZ Top: Eliminator is the album which turned my head to That Little Ol' Band from Texas, probably the videos was the clincher, but I loved the quirky nature of Billy Gibbons's blues/pop guitar. 

Sure I read Frank Beard had a beard at one stage, but it didn't grow as well as the others so he shaved it off: think he has one now. 

Think there's a film out very recently about the band , I'll have to see that.

 

03/7/2019 10:12 am  #1932


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Album 528.
U2....................................War   (1983)










War is U2’s third album, released on February 28, 1983. It’s their first album with strong political themes, dealing with the human effects of war – suffering, loss and the constant reminder of mortality which shrouds daily life during wartime.

 It was a massive success for the band, dethroning Michael Jackson’s Thriller to become the #1 album in the UK and U2’s first gold-certified record.


 In Bono' words:


War could be the story of a broken home, a family at war. Instead of putting tanks and guns on the cover, we’ve put a child’s face. War can also be a mental thing, an emotional thing between loves. It doesn’t have to be a physical thing."


 Said child is Peter Rowen, the brother of Bono’s friend Guggi, who had also stamped the cover of Boy three years prior. Instead of the innocence from the debut album’s picture, fitting the title Peter has an angry expression and a bloody lip.


 The picture was taken in the house of photographer Ian Finlay , in the Dublin suburb of Dun Laoghaire.



When questioned about the subtext of the picture, Rowen (who is now a photographer himself), said “I never really thought about that one! I I’ve always just seen it as a nice picture of me when I was eight years old! ”


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06/7/2019 10:15 am  #1933


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Album 529.
The Police.............................Synchronicity   (1983)












1983’s Synchronicity catapulted The Police into the arenas of the world on the strength of amazing singles like "Every Breath You Take" and "King Of Pain." The making of the album was a rough process, with drummer Stewart Copeland and guitarist Andy Summers playing session musicians to main songwriter Sting’s compositions, and the turmoil caused by this change in band dynamics would ultimately cause them to go on an indefinite hiatus after touring for the album.


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08/7/2019 12:46 pm  #1934


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Album 530.
Meat Puppets..............................Meat Puppets ll   (1983)











Meat Puppets II is, of course, the second album by the Meat Puppets, and a significant departure in style from their first album, a noisy hardcore punk mess. The band, tired of being rejected by hardcore punks because of their long hair, decided to consciously reject the hardcore style and forge their own path (which is really the most punk thing you can do, if you think about it).


 The resulting album, II, is a deeply nuanced work of psychedelic “cowpunk” (country-punk) which is rightly considered a classic.


 The album is probably best known for being the source of three Nirvana covers from their MTV Unplugged sessions "Plateau, "Lake of Fire and "Oh Me" – which the band played while accompanied by the Pups. Lead singer Kurt Cobain was a huge fan of this album, considering it one of his favourites.


 Shortly before recording the album, bandleader Curt Kirkwood got the news that his wife was pregnant and he was expecting a daughter – some claim his shaky vocal performance here is a direct result of this revelation.



Edit to add, I've got a couple of days off from tonight so should catch up shortly.

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09/7/2019 12:50 pm  #1935


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Album 527.
Eurythmics..........................(Sweet Dreams Are Made Of This)   (1983)













I liked The Eurythmics, but always thought they were just a wee bit too arty farty for a boy fae DD4, and Annie Lennox,  androgynous or not I always thought was a f'kn rip, would give her a treat given half a chance, even now, well at least until she started going all social/political, then that would be "dislodge, and away and clean yourself up, and try no' to drip on my new carpet, your taxi will be here in 5," by christ, who would want sloppy seconds after Dave Stewart?


Anyways the album, a couple of great tracks but some cheesy efforts as well, if your expectations are based on the title track you may well be in for a disappointment, "Love Is A Stranger" is as good an opener as you could expect from The Eurythmics a good catchy earworm song but made the album flatter to deceive in my humbles, the title track also stood out, but for me the outstanding track by a distance was "Jennifer," I must admit I don't feel this has aged badly, but maybe because I remember that time vividly.


This album wont be going into my vinyl collection (although if given as a present, wouldn't be too disappointed) as I have all the tracks on Various Artists CDs, but I will be downloading some of the tracks,




Bits & Bobs;




One of the defining acts of the 80s, and certainly one of the decade’s better outfits, EURYTHMICS (Aberdeen-born singer Annie Lennox and Sunderland-born guitarist Dave Stewart) grew out of late 70s power-pop trio The TOURISTS, who also featured Dave’s erstwhile writing partner Peet Coombes. The unlikely duo’s futuristic sound was at least partly down to Stewart’s mastery of cutting edge studio techniques, while Lennox’s vocals combined impressive depth and power with a chilly sensuality. It made for an alluring combination, all the more so in an era when over production and watered down songwriting was the norm. The melodic pulse and underlying menace of hits like `Love Is A Stranger’, `Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)’ and `Here Comes The Rain Again’, stood them apart from the pack and, with a raft of other transatlantic hits, Annie and Dave could do no wrong.



Dave Stewart was the experience behind the act, he’d served his time in folk-rock project, LONGDANCER, in the mid-70s (signing to ELTON JOHN’s Rocket Records), while Ann/Annie had gotten bored of the stuffiness of studying flute and keyboards at the prestigious Royal Academy of Music. One can trace the duo’s roots back to London 1975-77, when, with Peet Coombes in tow, they were known as power-pop trio The CATCH; the rare `Borderline’ 45 is now worth nearly £50.



Adding rhythm section Eddie Chin and Jim “Do It” Toomey, the quintet adopted the London-centric moniker, The TOURISTS. Signing to Logo Records, the combo secured a handful of hits in their brief time together; `Blind Among The Flowers’ and `The Loneliest Man In The World’, were two minor hit dirges from their Conny Plank-produced eponymous debut set, THE TOURISTS (1979). Although considered to be their most productive and commercial, hitting as it did the Top 30, REALITY EFFECT (1979) featured the Top 10 smashes, `I Only Want To Be With You’ (a cover of a DUSTY SPRINGFIELD staple) and `So Good To Be Back Home Again’. LUMINOUS BASEMENT (1980) was delivered as power-pop new wave was winding down, as was The TOURISTS, whose chief songwriter Coombes (plus Chin) wanted a move in other directions; he later formed Acid Drops (and died of alcohol and drug-related problems in ’97).




Courting couple Annie and Dave re-christened themselves EURYTHMICS and began recording their debut set at Conny Plank’s Cologne studio. Featuring contributions from the likes of CAN’s Holger Czukay and Jaki Liebezeit, DAF’s Robert Gorl, BLONDIE’s Clem Burke, as well as Marcus Stockhausen (son of Karl-Heinz), IN THE GARDEN (1981) was a radical musical departure. Icy synth-pop with avant-garde tendencies (check out `English Summer’, `Belinda’, `Take Me To Your Heart’ and `Never Gonna Cry Again’), the duo’s closest musical compadres were the lipstick ‘n’ legwarmers “new romantic” crowd, although the EURYTHMICS’ vision was unique. So unique, in fact, that the record languished in relative obscurity, given scant support by R.C.A.




Undeterred, the complex duo recorded SWEET DREAMS (ARE MADE OF THIS) (1983) , the title track giving the band an international breakthrough. This time around, the sculpted synth soundscapes were fashioned with a studied pop nous, Lennox’s mournful vocals heavy with dark implications. Visually striking, the duo’s image was also highly marketable and Annie became the chameleon queen of the new video generation, leading to overnight success in the States. A hit second time around, and a bit later in the US, lead-off cut `Love Is A Stranger’ was equally effective, while `I Could Give You (A Mirror)’ was better than merely a B-side; incidentally , `Wrap It Up’, was the ISAAC HAYES/David Porter track, now featuring SCRITTI POLITTI’s Green Gartside.




The chart-topping TOUCH (1983)  consolidated the EURYTHMICS’ position as pop frontrunners, the singles `Who’s That Girl?’, `Right By Your Side’ and `Here Comes The Rain Again’ going Top 10, the latter on both sides of the Atlantic. Incidentally, bassist Dean Garcia (later of CURVE), Dick Cuthill (wind), Martin Dobson (sax) and scoresmith/conductor MICHAEL KAMEN featured on the set; Peter Phipps – formerly of The GLITTER BAND – took up the sticks on their promotional live tour.



The mid-late 80s fixation with remix sets, TOUCH DANCE (1984) was exactly what it said on tin – and big-time producers Jellybean and Francois Kevorkian were behind the mixing desks.


Annie and Dave’s previous set proper attracted the attention of film director Michael Radford, who invited the group to score his updated adaptation of George Orwell’s 1984 . If EURYTHMICS’ innovative electro-pop seemed tailor-made for the cult author’s vision of dystopia, Stewart and Lennox were left dissatisfied with the amount of music actually heard in the movie’s final cut. While both the film and the soundtrack stiffed in America, a spin-off single, `Sexcrime (Nineteen Eighty-Four)’, cracked the UK Top 5.



Far removed from the ethos of Orwell’s novel, it seemed EURYTHMICS became slaves to the rhythm from the onset, opener `I Did It Just The Same’, finding Annie scatting to a tribal dance rhythm. When one thinks of today’s rather OTT, PC climate, the aforementioned follow-on track and hit single, `Sexcrime’, was hardly the topic to be chanting and dancing at the local disco; however, that’s just what they did back in the yuppie, un-caring mid-80s. But it was still the album’s saving grace (apart from the romantic, JON ANDERSON-like hit ballad, `Julia’), which didn’t say much for the rest of the album. Flitting between songs such as `For The Love Of Big Brother’ and unthreatening instrumentals, `Winston’s Diary’ and `Greetings From A Dead Man’ (6 minutes of “poppapapa…”), the record was quite schizoid. Beatbox at the ready, the re…re…repetitive `Doubleplusgood’ was another to be short on lyrics, although Annie did get to shout instructions and numbers through that torturous voxbox. `Ministry Of Love’, meanwhile, was best left to the words of Stewart, as he described it as “Kraftwerk meeting African tribal meeting Booker T & The MGs”. Finale cue, the chanting `Room 101’ (the place where one can throw all the worst things away!) summed it all up.



Unbeknown to many fans at the time, prototypical odd couple Annie and Dave had split their romantic ties some time ago (one thinks around 1982/83), although they remained friends and professional throughout their subsequent years as a duo. BE YOURSELF TONIGHT (1985) {*7} saw Lennox in soul diva mode, belting out the likes of `Sisters Are Doin’ It For Themselves’ (with ARETHA FRANKLIN) and putting in a breath-taking feat of vocal histrionics on the No.1 hit, `There Must Be An Angel (Playing With My Heart)’; `Would I Lie To You?’ and `It’s Alright (Baby’s Coming Back)’ were also substantial global hits.



Perhaps playing all those stadiums was beginning to affect the band, as REVENGE (1986) saw the band veering towards post-Live Aid big arena-rock; hit tracks like `Missionary Man’ and `When Tomorrow Comes’ (co-penned with Patrick Seymour) sounding downright clumsy. In its defence was another of the duo’s classic cuts in `Thorn In My Side’, while `The Miracle Of Love’ was a beautiful ballad.



Focusing on production and programming technique (this time provided by “third member” Olle Romo on drums), the Top 10 SAVAGE (1987), took a bit of a pasting from some critics, although once again, how could one “savage” four relatively major UK hits in `Beethoven (I Love To Listen To)’, `Shame’, `I Need A Man’ and the best of the bunch, `You Have Placed A Chill In My Heart’.



By the release of WE TOO ARE ONE (1989), the duo were clearly on their last legs, and it was obvious, on listening to the record, that the working relationship between Lennox and Stewart had finally broken down. However, with no less than four spawned hits in the proceeding year, from `Revival’ to `Angel’; `(My My) Baby’s Gonna Cry’ was a flop when released in the States, the EURYTHMICS were still big box-office.



ANNIE LENNOX went on to do charity work before releasing “Diva” (1992), her multi-platinum selling solo debut; she subsequently issued a collection of covers through “Medua” (1995). Meanwhile, Dave, or DAVID A. STEWART (to distinguish him from another artist of the same name), recorded the soundtrack to “Lily Was Here” (1990), featuring sax-diva, Candy Dulfer; he would go on to form his Spiritual Cowboys and generally receive a bit of a lambasting from the several critics. One of the hardest working musicians in the business, he’s still going strong today.



1999 saw the return of EURYTHMICS via the hit single, `I Saved The World Today’, and Top 5 album, PEACE. Not particularly enamoured by everyone outside the duo’s vehemently loyal fanbase, the Top 5 set also delivered one other Top 30 breaker, `17 Again’.



Lennox and Stewart (who’d since married and re-married other lovers) were briefly reunited musically for their swansong set.



Whether the 1991 EURYTHMICS “Greatest Hits” anthology actually needed updating was debateable, but the Top 5 “Ultimate Collection” (2005) justified its existence with the inclusion of tracks from the “Peace” album as well as a new Top 20 hit, `I’ve Got A Life’.



Over the years, EURYTHMICS covered several songs, many of them unheard until the collective CD bonus track re-issues appeared on the back of the aforementioned “best of”; these were:- `Satellite Of Love’ (LOU REED), `Hello I Love You’ (The DOORS), `Fame’ (DAVID BOWIE), `My Guy’ (SMOKEY ROBINSON), `Come Together’ (The BEATLES), `Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me’ (The SMITHS) and `Something In The Air’ (THUNDERCLAP NEWMAN).




Rolling Stone:Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)
June 23, 1983 4:00AM ET By David Fricke

As the dominant forces in the British band the Tourists, guitarist Dave Stewart and singer Annie Lennox shot some arty new life into tired old pop. Now, on their own as Eurythmics, they’ve turned their wiles to synth pop with even greater success. Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This), their U.S. debut, goes far beyond the usual robotic disco and frothy Abba clichés to prove that transistorized white soul doesn’t have to be wimpy.


 Most extraordinary is the group’s transformation of the Sixties Stax/Volt steamer “Wrap It Up”; a drum machine kicks hard behind the clipped funk buzz of Stewart’s synths while a multitracked Lennox cooks like LaBelle on fire. On the striking title track, a bluesy, desperate-sounding Lennox digs into the dark corners of our pleasure zones with none of Soft Cell’s decadent smarminess. And the simple, dreamy “Jennifer” employs echoey, Philip Glass-type vocal harmonies to heighten the song’s intimations of suicide. Even when they resort to the obvious — which they do with the snappy, disco-style syncopation and shrill, girl-group-style chorus of “Love Is a Stranger” — Eurythmics always apply their electronics with nervy pop flair. At a time when most synth boogie is just New Wave party Muzak, Sweet Dreams is quite an adventure.



Rolling Stone:

 Eurythmics: Sweet Dreams Come True Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart talk about their 1983 breakthrough

By Kurt Loder.


Annie Lennox began her life as a man two years ago at a London discotheque called Heaven. She was onstage with Eurythmics, singing away, her ladylike frock and long black hair caught in the bursting glare of a battery of strobe lights, when a curious spectator, thinking she looked familiar, reached up and ripped off what turned out to be a wig. Suddenly, in strobe-lit slow motion, a strange new head was revealed. This one — which Annie hadn’t counted on unveiling quite so soon — was anything but ladylike. The startling, carrot-colored hair was cut cell-block short on the sides and greased straight back on top, and the crowd’s collective jaw hit the floor.  “No one knew who Eurythmics were at the time,” says Dave Stewart, Annie’s partner onstage, in the studio and, for four years, in life and love. “So the whole audience must have thought, ‘What’s goin’ on?’ And ever since then, people have been sayin’, ‘Is Annie really a man?’ “


 Annie’s response to these speculations was to start dressing like one: suit, tie, suspenders, the whole androgynous number. She had already tried being a proper blond songstress with the Tourists, the ill-fated pop group in which she and Stewart had previously toiled (and whose lack of critical esteem led to her subsequent bewigged anonymity). The response had been the usual catcalls and leers, plus occasional belittling comparisons to Blondie. Who needed that?


 “This is a more androgynous visual portrayal, but it isn’t meant to be butch,” Annie explains. “No way. It is very useful in transcending the bum-and-tits thing, though. That’s a very vulgar thing to say, but I have received that kind of abuse onstage, and one has to find a way around it.


 “Of course, you’ll never find a way around it,” she adds. “But this helps.”


 How successfully Annie Lennox has transcended the eternal chick-singer syndrome was apparent one night last June when Eurythmics — no the, please — played the Margate Winter Gardens, a beachfront ballroom in a Kentish coastal resort just north of Canterbury and some seventy miles east of London. The second Eurythmics album, Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This), had topped the British charts; its internationally ubiquitous title song had hit Number Two, and their latest single, “Who’s That Girl,” was proving similarly seductive. Generally, an act of such commercial heft confines itself to headlining hip metropolitan venues and established tour circuits. But Eurythmics were warming up for their first U.S. tour, two weeks hence, with a brief blitz of small seaside dates, and inside the sprawling Winter Gardens, beneath bulging Victorian balconies, glittering chandeliers and gaudy ormolu moldings, some 1500 kids had crowded onto the vast dance floor to bear celebrity-starved witness.
  They were not disappointed: the show was seamlessly impressive. Except for three female backup singers bumping smartly in place, the band was simple: a bassist, a drummer and a keyboardist, all in black, and at stage left, Dave Stewart, a bearded, puff-haired gnome in dark glasses and a white suit who intermittently leaned out over his guitar to fiddle with a modest stack of machinery at his side. The crowd was with them from the start, when the lights went down and a chattering synthesizer riff rose from the stage on a wave of wild cheering. As the rich electronic sound built into a brassy riff, Annie, a striking figure in her mannish gray suit, marched out and snapped up a microphone. Her head was hidden by a grinning plastic mask and a white boating cap, her hands by blood-red gloves. But her voice, only slightly muffled by the mask, resounded around the packed auditorium: “This is the house….”


 A squall of applause greeted the familiar lyric from the Sweet Dreams album, and as the band leaned into the riff, Annie tore away the mask and hat, exposing her improbably handsome face, the crimson lips smiling, the stubbly hair flaming in the spotlight. “This is the story…,” she sang. “Everything changes.”


 Twisting and kicking across the stage, raking the crowd with her remarkable blue eyes, Annie created an instant sense of intimacy, working the house like some hitherto inconceivable amalgam of David Bowie and Judy Garland, her extraordinary voice soaring above the dense electronic textures of the music.


 Soulful is the word. Although Eurythmics’ music makes no pretensions to black style (and bears no resemblance to the lightweight “funk” currently so fashionable in England), this was an undeniably soulful performance — most pointedly in the Sweet Dreams cover of Sam and Dave’s raunchy “Wrap It Up.” As Stewart later observed, “Sam and Dave were really underrated over here. They still are. Over here it’s all Marvin Gaye and that sort of smooth soul. Sam and Dave were rough, and it’s their roughness I love. We want to put that roughness back in — to have a soul feeling with that English power.” 
 It’s a most attractive musical synthesis, and in Margate, all sexual speculation suddenly seemed irrelevant in the presence of such triumphant talent. At the end of the hour-long performance, with the houselights up and the crowd still howling, the popular appraisal was clear: good band, great tunes, and the singer — well, the singer, whether man, woman or none of the above, was a star.With her long legs splayed out on the barroom banquette in the quaint Margate inn where Eurythmics were spending the night, Annie Lennox, still glowing from the show, had to laugh. A star? Eurythmics is the star, and that means Annie and Dave Stewart, who, in his customary all-black street gear, had just wandered in and pulled up a chair at her table. Dave and Annie, alone, are Eurythmics; the particular band with which they’re now traveling, good as it is, is only their latest performance medium.


 “I look at our relationship with outside musicians as an ongoing thing,” said Annie, taking a sip from a bottle of port the crew smuggled in after the inn’s prim proprietress refused to bend the eleven p.m. pub curfew. “Whether they’re with us forever or for two weeks is irrelevant, you know? If somebody is interested in working with us, and we want to work with them, then we will. It’s different from a session-musician situation, where some anonymous, highly paid guy just walks in and does his thing and walks out again. This is a bit more involved.”


 On record, Dave and Annie play virtually everything themselves, and as Eurythmics, they have never toured with the same group twice. One early ensemble included Blondie drummer Clem Burke, keyboardist Mickey Gallagher from Ian Dury’s Blockheads and Eddi Reader of the Gang of Four on backup vocals. Recently, Eurythmics appeared on the venerable Old Grey Whistle Test TV show with a grand piano and a black gospel choir in tow; their current lineup is a typically mixed bag: two members are veterans of the progressive band Random Hold, and one of them, drummer Pete Phipps, used to work with Seventies whomp-king Gary Glitter. Not the most fashionable credentials to have in hip-conscious London, but then fashion isn’t something that Dave and Annie spend a lot of time noodling about. 
 “We’re not really part of the London scene,” said Annie, crooking a knee and tipping back her boating cap. “I won’t say I despise the London scene, but I’m a little wary of it. I have a raised eyebrow toward all scenes.”


 Dave and Annie’s only ties are to each other, and to a mutual vision of popular music that is singular in its obsession with cultural flux and emotional ambivalence. Nothing is clear here: even the name Eurythmics was selected for its nebulousness (it’s a Greek word that means moving in rhythm). And while Sweet Dreams does seem to fit a superficial definition of synth pop, the record is something more: the riffs really crunch, the melodies wander off on weird tangents, and — the crowning irony — Stewart plays standard, Sixties-style blues slide guitar all over the place. Ambiguities abound: Annie is a straight woman who, for strategic reasons, dresses like a man. She and Dave are former lovers whose creative relationship deepened even as their romance dwindled. They write dance songs about love, but the lyrics (“It’s jealous by nature, false and unkind”) don’t make love sound like anything worth dancing about. Yet both say they’ve never been happier than they are now. Obviously, there is more going on here than initially meets the ear.


 Their story is as muddled as the romantic attitudes embodied in their songs. Annie Lennox, who’ll be twenty-nine this Christmas, was born in Scotland and raised in the North Sea port of Aberdeen, a provincial fishing town noted, in pre-oil-strike days, for its high-quality granite, much of which found its way, like Lennox herself years later, to the pavements of London. The paternal side of her family was musical — her father even played bagpipes — and as a child, Annie took up piano, and later, the flute, and dreamed of becoming a classical musician. At seventeen, after attending Aberdeen High School for Girls, she went down to London’s Royal Academy of Music, where she enrolled in a performer’s course focusing primarily on flute, with subsidiary studies in piano and harpsichord. But a career regurgitating the classical repertoire quickly came to seem a pointless pursuit, and she grew increasingly restless at the academy. In fact, she said, “I hated it. I spent three dreadful years there trying to figure a way out.” 
 Finally, she just left. After kicking around London for two years, writing songs and singing with various anonymous groups, she encountered Dave Stewart. At first, she was appalled: “He looked like he’d been dragged through a hedge backward. But he’s a very special person, I soon recognized that.”


 Stewart, a diminutive Englishman, was two years older than Annie, and although he claims familial descent from the Duke of Northumberland, his musical roots were strictly popular. Still, there was a soothing lilt to his voice (he’d grown up in Sunderland, not far from the Scottish border), and he was at least an engaging eccentric. Stewart’s mother was a practicing child psychologist with a special interest in the relation of color to taste (“I was quite used to blue porridge and green potatoes by the time I was about seven”), and his father was an accountant. Thus, the family was, unfortunately, well off. “I always used to want to play with the working-class kids,” Stewart recalled, “but they’d always call me ‘richie’ and whack me on the head with cricket bats and things.”


 His early passion for sports ended with a broken knee in a soccer match at age twelve — a fortuitous event, as it turned out. “Somebody brought me a guitar in the hospital,” he said, “and as I couldn’t walk, I started learnin’ it. Then somebody else brought me a leather jacket, and I hung it up at the bottom of me bed. I used to look at this leather jacket and play the guitar, and wish I could get out of the hospital.”


 He saw his first rock concert two years later, in 1966. “It was this group, the Amazing Blondel, and the excitement — I’d never seen anything live, with a PA and everything. So after the gig, I just climbed in the back of their van while they were loading and hid there. And when we got to Scunthorpe, where they lived, at four o’clock in the morning, I jumped out and asked them if they’d teach me about bein’ in a group.” 
 The Amazing Blondel called the police and summoned Stewart’s parents. But they also agreed to let him come back for holiday visits, during which he’d accompany the group on concert excursions. Soon he’d talked himself into opening-act status, sitting on a stool and performing his own songs on the guitar, and before long he was appearing on radio and TV shows in the north of England and opening shows for such major folkies as Ralph McTell. At one point, a representative of Bell Records wanted to turn Stewart into the next David Cassidy (“I looked about ten,” he explained), but a school counselor wisely advised him to forget it.


 Stewart’s subsequent musical career was motley, to say the least — he played everything from folk and blues to rock & roll and beyond. Finally, in 1969, he joined a group called Longdancer, which became one of the first bands signed to Elton John’s Rocket Records in the early Seventies. But Longdancer crumpled under the influx of a sizable cash advance (more than $100,000), which the members blew in six months. In Stewart’s case, a considerable outlay went to finance his new enthusiasm for cocaine and speed. After Longdancer’s demise, Stewart went on to play with theater groups, with “half of Osibisa for six months” and with an all-girl outfit called the Sadista Sisters. In his spare time, he got deeply into drugs.


 “I once took acid for a whole year,” he said with a bemused chuckle. “Every day. It turned into a kind of holiday.”


 He remembers most vividly the time he scored eight hits of California Sunshine from some Grateful Dead roadies who were passing through London. “Try these and come back in a week,” they told him. Not realizing that each capsule was good for about eight people, he took a bus back home to Sunderland and, with his wife (from whom he’s now divorced) and six friends, consumed the whole cache. “Six of these people had never even smoked marijuana,” he said. “About ten minutes into the trip, one guy started reading a newspaper—which was actually the carpet — and another was going like this with his head” — Stewart bobbled his noggin distractedly — “sorting out the filing cabinets of his mind, so to speak.”  Stewart and his wife wound up knocking on a stranger’s door in search of help. “I said, ‘Excuse me, we’ve taken a very strong hallucinogenic drug, and we’d like you to ring a hospital.’ But the thing was, I was talkin’ to this guy who was like a northeastern miner or something, and he said, ‘Come in and have a cup of tea.’ So we went in and sat down, and there’s this woman doin’ the ironing in the corner. And she says, ‘LSD? I’ve heard about that — destroys the brain, doesn’t it?’ And my wife goes white. Then this guy comes out with the tea, and I’m tryin’ to tell him, ‘No, listen, it’s this strong drug, we took it by mistake.’ And I turn around and my wife is pouring the tea on his carpet and rubbin’ it around and makin’ these patterns, right? It was the most horrible feelin’ I’ve ever had in my life.”


 Stewart and his wife finally made their escape, but the awful memory still lingers. “I still have feelings from acid,” he said, “and this was eight years ago. I mean, I can’t remember what it was like before I hallucinated. I never take anything now — I don’t need it. I took so much, I think it’ll last me for the rest of me life.”


 A year or so later, Stewart was working with a similarly penniless songwriter named Peet Coombes in the north of London. They were getting nowhere. Then a friend who ran a record store mentioned that he’d met a girl who had an incredible voice — “one of those singers that you hear now and again and you get, like, goose bumps.” She was scraping by as a waitress in a restaurant, and Stewart and the mutual friend went to see her. After work that night, they went back to her one-room apartment and listened, spellbound, as Annie Lennox played “these amazing, really complicated songs” on an enormous harmonium she’d somehow squeezed into her flat. 
 “She sat there like the Phantom of the Opera,” said Stewart. “She was straight from classical. She didn’t know anything about pop groups. But we heard her sing and we started celebrating; then we went out to this club, and from that moment on, Annie and I lived together, and made music together, for about four years.”


 For the next year or so, Dave and Annie and Peet Coombes starved and schemed and dreamed of stardom — of somehow selling their songs. Then another friend, an Australian singer called Creepy John Thomas, contacted them from Germany with the news that he had scored some free studio time with Eurorock producer Conny Plank, renowned for his work with Kraftwerk, Can, DAF and, later, England’s own Ultravox. Stewart, Lennox and Coombes were invited to come over and work on the singer’s demos, and they agreed. It was a decision that changed all of their lives. “That was when we realized what we wanted,” said Annie. “‘Cause at Conny’s studio, there was a drummer and a few electric guitars around, and we went, ‘Ah! It’s a group — that’s what we want to be, a group!'”


 The group they wound up putting together back in London in 1978 was a Byrds-influenced ensemble called the Tourists. Over the next couple of years, with Coombes writing most of the songs, they recorded three albums and toured the world, but still found themselves penniless — a situation Dave and Annie blame on a bad record contract and ugly business manipulations. (“Some of them want to use you…,” she sings on Sweet Dreams. “Some of them want to abuse you.”)


 The Tourists had a hit in 1979 with the Dusty Springfield nugget “I Only Want to Be with You,” but British critics mistook it for a crass oldies move, rather than the tongue-in-cheek tribute the band had intended. Their credibility ruined, the band broke up in 1980.


 “We were gettin’ really frustrated anyway,” said Stewart. “Durin’ the punk movement, Annie and I bought a synthesizer, and we were doin’ the opposite thing to the punks; we were gettin’ more into sequencers and the mixture of soul feeling with electronics. We’d sit in hotel rooms, and Annie would sing and I’d play the synthesizer, and we started comin’ up with the whole Sweet Dreams concept.”  With the Tourists defunct, Dave and Annie actually drew up a “manifesto” outlining their future goals, the essence of which, according to Stewart, was “We were never gonna do anything again that we didn’t like doing. We said, there’s two of us and we always want to keep it fresh, and never have this thing where you’re just touring round and round with the same people in a band, so that every night you have to pretend you’re really into it.”


 More input came from Conny Plank, with whom Annie continued to work as an arranger and session singer (most notably on an album called Latin Lover, by the extraordinary Italian singer Gianna Nannini). “Conny thought we ought to try to control everything and do everything in a smaller way,” Annie said. “That’s the basic philosophy behind Eurythmics.”


 They recorded the first Eurythmics album at Plank’s country studio outside Cologne, with an eccentric assortment of musicians that included Clem Burke, whom Annie had chatted up in a London club; multi-instrumentalist Holger Czukay and drummer Jaki Liebezeit of Can; DAF’s Robert Görl on drums and Marcus Stockhausen (son of composer Karlheinz Stockhausen, with whom Czukay had studied) on trumpet. The LP, called In the Garden, was never released in this country, but it is a minor masterpiece of pop songwriting. Brilliantly produced, performed and arranged, it seems filled with nothing but hits — some folk-rockish (“English Summer”), some almost punkish (the pummeling “Belinda”) and some, such as “Never Gonna Cry Again” and the haunting “Revenge,” pointing toward the more electronically conceived material to come on Sweet Dreams about two years later.


 “It’s a funny mixture,” said Stewart. “We were really just experimentin’, messin’ around. Then we played the tapes for RCA and they really liked them, so they put them out.” 
 In the Garden sank without much of a trace, unfortunately. Stewart, who’d been in a serious car crash years earlier, was plagued by collapsing lungs and had to have corrective surgery just as the LP was being released. Laid up for eight months, he was unavailable to help promote the record. By this time, too, Dave and Annie had given up living together.


 “So many changes had happened at once,” said Stewart. “The Tourists split up, I had this major operation, we had this new idea of Eurythmics. We were becoming very much a folie à deux — you know, the madness of two people who are just constantly together. The only way to survive was to live apart, so we split up as a couple.”


 Nowadays, in what little time there is for such things, they see other people on an irregular basis. “It’s more like friendship, though,” said Stewart. “I’m not the sort of person who would just sleep with anybody for the night. And I think Annie just hides, most of the time.”


 Although she went through a protracted period of depression, Annie said she’s snapped back and is in better spirits now than ever. “Dave and I still draw a lot of strength from each other, and when it really comes down to it, we are very, very close. We’ve ridden through the changes in our personal lives, and we value our relationship enormously.”


 With the decks of their personal lives cleared for action, Dave and Annie set about planning a serious commercial breakthrough. Despite their experimental inclinations (most noticeable on the nonalbum B sides of their British singles), commerciality is something they generally applaud. Said Dave: “I haven’t met one avant-garde performer who hasn’t loved, say, Abba and Holger Czukay, or the Velvet Underground and ‘Chirpee, Chirpee, Cheep, Cheep,’ you know? Because there’s something great in the crassness of things, and there’s something great in perfection, too.  “Annie and I love that sort of duality. It’s the subject of nearly every song we’ve ever written — the duality of everything: the tramp lying on the street while somebody walks by with a furcoat on; the feeling of love mixed up with terrible feelings of guilt and remorse. The whole of life is that sort of constant turmoil. It’s great, it’s terrible — it’s the way life is.”


 With their concept securely in mind, and with detailed technical advice from Plank and Czukay over the telephone, Eurythmics set up a low-budget, eight-track studio in a warehouse in the Chalk Farm district of London. There, working essentially on their own, they recorded a series of demos that RCA again decided to release as an album — thus was Sweet Dreams made.


 “RCA said, ‘Bloody hell, it doesn’t sound like eight-track,'” Stewart recalled. “But that’s how you should record — simply. They’re always designing things to make you think you couldn’t possibly do it yourself. This is more fun. We just have bits of stuff on tapes, like Annie playing a funny little instrument in Bangkok, and some words from over here somewhere, and a tape of a rhythm we thought out in Scotland, and we sort of pull it out and put it all together. ‘Cause the music’s timeless, you see. That’s why we don’t say we’re part of this new English pop invasion. We just say we’re in a continuum of what we have been doin’ for ages. That’s why on the Whistle Test, for instance, they couldn’t really call us a synth-pop duo, when we’re standin’ there with eight gospel singers, a grand piano and an acoustic guitar. That could have been in 1971 — or it could be 1986.”


 Sweet Dreams turned the international trick for Dave and Annie that the Tourists never could, cracking the U.S. Top Twenty and producing a hit (the title song) that butted heads with the Police’s “Every Breath You Take” at the top of the U.S. singles charts. “Love Is a Stranger,” their follow-up, looks likely to repeat that success. So, what next? Dave and Annie have leased a big stone church in north London, and they’ve installed a twenty-four-track studio; when they’re not busy with their own projects, they record their friends — most recently, good pals Chris and Cosey, formerly of Throbbing Gristle, and a “very androgynous” street duo called Flex. There’s a dance workshop on the premises, too, and there are always video and animation projects under way; Dave and Annie have taken separate flats nearby to be close to their nonstop work. It’s been a long and sometimes painful trip for them, but they have no real regrets.  “I actually embrace the idea of being happy now,” Annie said with a nonironic smile. “I’ve had my share of pain, and I probably will in the future, too. But I’ve gotta say, it’s sculpted me into the person I am now. There was a time when I looked to other people for recognition, because I didn’t have enough confidence to trust my own judgment. Now I’m not looking for reassurance, because I realize how fickle people are.


 “My own strength,” she said very evenly, “is the best strength I can have.”




"Love Is A Stranger"


 
This was the Eurythmics fifth UK single and like the previous four, it initially flopped. However it became a worldwide hit when re-released following their success with ("Sweet Dreams Are Made of This.")


 
The song was produced by Dave Stewart and Adam Williams and was self-financed at Eurythmics' 8-track facility above a picture framing factory in Chalk Farm, London. They decided on a simpler arrangement than their previous singles emphasizing Annie's vocals more.



Said Lennox: "We did decide for 'Love Is A Stranger' that everything in it would be very clear. All that is there is seen to be there and nothing is hidden in a big mush of sound."



Stewart added: "Using our own eight track we hear a song millions of times and the melody in it is always apparent to us. We realized it might not be so obvious for people hearing the song for the first time."


 
The single was accompanied by a music video which saw Annie Lennox in a number of different character guises which she later became known for in subsequent videos. At one stage of the video Annie removes a curly blonde wig to reveal close-cropped orange hair underneath, which gave her an androgynous look. Said Lennox: "The video is basically a little cameo story. I would say 'Love Is A Stranger' is a song about love objects. The concept of love in relationships is very often a person projecting what they want onto another person. We are all in love with the idea of love but what we want is not always good for us. We might get obsessed with something very dangerous. I wanted to put these ideas into a pop song. In the video, a very expensive looking limousine draws up outside a house and very pricey-looking whore leaves the house, gets into the car and is driven away by the chauffeur. Obviously a whore is a very expensive love object for sale. In the car she pulls off the wig to reveal another personality. She arrives at another house as though she's delivering something, like a dealer. The person in the house is very sadistic, there's lots of leather around and strange things in the bathroom. When the person leaves that house and gets into the car, the person has become a man. The man turns into a dummy which you see is being manipulated by the driver of the car. That's the idea behind it."


Dave Stewart said of this: "A very simple idea. To me it's like a contemporary love song. I don't mean written with contemporary music but the lyrics are how things are at the moment unlike, say, the love songs of the '50s. A lot of people nowadays want to be single and separate. The song is a comment on that."



"Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)"

"Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)"  rightfully received the most attention upon release, soaring all the way to number 1 on the US charts in the summer of 1983. A true masterpiece, the song sums up the immensely creative approaches that the duo took in creating their music. Tapping variously filled milk bottles in time during the chorus and banging picture frames against the wall for those percussive kkkkhhhhs, their DIY spirit served them well. Moreover, the song seems to have had almost providential origins. According to Annie, the group nearly split the day the song was recorded. After a terrible fight, Dave simply wanted to program the drum computer, and when it accidentally came out in reverse, Annie suddenly sat up from her fetal position on the floor to pound the main melody on the synthesizer before improvising the lyrics in one take, other than the "Hold your head up" lines which were added later. Baring its sharp teeth with a signature dark and booming synth lead, "Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)" is a towering statement quite literally born out of necessity, utility and a little luck that would become not only an iconic synth pop gem, but a transcendent anthem of the 80s.



In the book Annie Lennox: The Biography, Lennox explained that this song is about the search for fulfillment, and the "Sweet Dreams" are the desires that motivate us.

 
Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart were a couple for about three years while they were members of a band called The Tourists. They only wrote one song together in this time (an instrumental), but when The Tourists broke up, they formed Eurythmics as a duo and began writing together. A short time later, Lennox and Stewart broke up. Stewart tells the story in The Dave Stewart Songbook: "When we broke up as a couple for some strange reason it was like we were always going to be together, no matter what. We couldn't really break that spell so we just carried on making music. This causes many problems, yet through all of this we ended up writing a lot of great songs, some were about 'our' relationship and some were about our relationship with the world around us. Whatever we wrote always had a dark side and a light side and in a way I describe it as 'realistic music,' full of the ups and downs of real relationships and life itself."


 
In the New York Times October 30, 2007, Annie Lennox recalled that this was written by the duo just after they'd had a bitter fight. I thought it was the end of the road and that was that, she said. We were trying to write, and I was miserable. And he just went, well, 'I'll do this anyway.' Dave Stewart came up with a beat, Annie Lennox improvised the synthesizer riff, and suddenly they realized they had a potential hit.


 
This was originally a hit in Europe in 1982. A year later with the advent of MTV it reached the #1 spot in the US, giving Eurythmics their only US chart topper.


 
Stewart and Lennox had very little money, and were thrilled when a bank gave them a loan to buy some equipment and make a record. They made the most of their meager budget, using an 8 track recorder and a complicated drum machine Stewart drove 200 miles to procure. They made the most of their 8 tracks, with Stewart's Roland synthesizer and Lennox' Kurzweil keyboard added to the drum pattern Stewart created, forming the basis for the song. As Stewart tells it in his Songbook, Lennox was a bit depressed, but coming up with this track snapped her out of it and she quickly came up with the "Sweet Dreams are made of this" and "Some of them want to use you" lyrics.




Stewart said: "I suggested there had to be another bit, and that bit should be positive. So in the middle we added these chord changes rising upwards with 'Hold your head up, moving on.' To us it was a major breakthrough. It just goes from beginning to end and the whole song is a chorus, there is not one note that is not a hook."



 In an interview with Billboard magazine, Lennox talked about her days before the Eurythmics: "I was really a hybrid between Stevie Wonder and Joni Mitchell, walking the streets as a singer/songwriter, but nobody knew it but me."


 
The innovative video presented Annie Lennox with close-cropped orange hair and a tailored black suit, making it the first popular video presenting an androgynous female. The cow in the video was Dave Stewart's idea - he was a big fan of surreal artists Salvador Dali and Luis Bunuel. Said Stewart: "A few people were saying, 'Dave, why the cow? Annie is so good looking.' Those people should go buy a copy of Purple Cow by Seth Dogin, about how to make your business remarkable. It was written 20 years after I had the purple cow in our video - which certainly did the trick and made my whole life remarkable."



The cow, while very eye-catching, posed a logistical problem because most studios can't accommodate them. Eurythmics found a basement studio in London with an elevator big enough to transport the animal. Lennox recalls the shoot with the bovine walking around as being one of the more surreal experiences of her life. Regarding what it all meant, she said in the book I Want My MTV: "The video is a statement about the different forms of existence. Here are humans, with our dreams of industry and achievement and success. And here is a cow."


 Nas sampled this for his 1996 song "Sweet Dreams."


 
In November 2007, Annie Lennox was interviewed extensively by Malcolm Bragg on The South Bank Show. In this program she said she didn't regard "Sweet Dreams" as a song but as a mantra. She added that people have identified with it over the years and that it's open to interpretation; it contains an overview of human existence; whatever it is that makes you tick, that is what it is.


 
The song ends with a keyboard fade out, but when Eurythmics played it live, they changed the arrangement and ended the song with the lyrics "Keep your head up" so it would end with a sense of hope.


 
When this became a hit in America, the Eurythmics became a sensation there, appearing on the cover of Rolling Stone and playing sold out shows. Stewart fell in with the Los Angeles music scene, where he wrote "Don't Come Around Here No More" with Tom Petty.


 
This was featured in the films Striptease (1996), Big Daddy (1999) and Ready Player One.


  
  


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09/7/2019 1:47 pm  #1936


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

I forgot to add this from the magnificent RETRO DUNDEE



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09/7/2019 2:44 pm  #1937


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A couple of bits relating to Dundee in 1983, courtesy of RETRO DUNDEE:






John Menzies moved out of their Commercial St/Murraygate corner position in 1983, and relocated further along Murraygate to the empty premises that was once Woolworth. This is a shot from the new location of their record department, taken in December 1983. The record racks were placed diagonally at first, as above, but by the next year they changed the layout of the racks to run parallel with the wall (see December 2008 Archives for comparison).



It's quite interesting to see the large display above the door advertising the very first "Now That's What I Call Music" album...the series being on volume 74 at present!!
And so, with this image, I will now fade out from the recent music theme and crack on with a couple of weeks of retro Christmas shopping!
Photo by DC Thomson




REFORM STREET - 1983


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Don't know if anyone else can remember The Wimpy, but it pissed all over McDonalds in my humbles.







Not sure how many other cities had a newspaper street vendor as a cult figure, but Tommy Small certainly left his mark on the Dundee art community. He's been painted, sculpted, sketched and here, turned into a doll. It was made by Hilary Elder from Broughty Ferry and was displayed in a craft exhibition in the Marryat Hall in 1983. Tommy was then presented with the model after the show.









This ad is dated 1983, when Da Vinci's was in it's prime.


It is actually advertising their "New luxurious ground floor Lounge Bar". The "Studio" however, was upstairs where the main action was - namely, the disco.


You can click on the image to enlarge it if you want a wee read, and spot the fact they spelt Barracuda wrong!


The squares in the illustration are a reference to the glass panels that were part of the main doorway design.


Talking about the main door, I remember boss, Frankie Esposito ( who looked like Trevor Horn in his large 80's specs ) (very much a marmite character in my humbles, delusional if you ask me) used to stand at the door throughout the evening deciding who would get in and who wouldn't! If you were really really drunk the night before sometimes you had to wait a week or two before he'd let you back in, you can probably tell this was me


So then, 1983 sounds we queued up at Da Vinci's to hear blasting out the speakers would have included the likes of - Heaven 17 - Malcom McLaren - Police - The Icicle Works - SOS Band - Yazoo - David Bowie - Style Council - Herbie Hancock - Depeche Mode - Indeep - Tom Tom Club - Freeez - Michael Jackson - Level 42 - Echo & the Bunnymen - George Clinton - The Cure ....and I'm sure you'll be able to rattle off a few others!

 

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10/7/2019 4:01 pm  #1938


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Album 528.
U2....................................War   (1983)












To be honest when I saw it was U2 my initial reaction was ffs, that knobend Bono, but then remembered this was in his PC years.................Pre Cunt years, or at least his pretentious, sanctimonious cuntyness hadn't quite reared it's ugly, mendacious head as yet.


Trying to weigh up the artist rather than the arsehole is something I'm still having difficulties with (but getting better I hope), I try not to poison the album because of some twat in the band, and hopefully with this one as I did like their earlier stuff, I can be a bit fairer.


Back in '83, I was in London for a while and had made friends with a few Irish boys, they took me to The Gresham Ballroom on The Holloway Road North London, now I don't know if anyone who looks in has ever been there?
It was like being in Ireland, Irish bands, DJ playing mostly Irish music, and limbs f'kn everywhere, I honestly still have never ever seen anything like that anywhere, bodies slumped all over the shop, Guiness soaked floors and more drunken weemin than you could see in a fortnight in Newcasle, man I had to limit myself to once a month couldn't keep up with those boys (and I could scoop back then), it must be genetics.


Anyways, the reason for that ramble is because every time I hear the opening track, but most probably the snare snapping intro it takes me back to "The Gresham," as soon as that intro was played every cunt and I mean everybody got up and started dancin' or as best they could, I have never seen so many people on shoulders in a dance hall in my life or so many people getting launched or falling off of said shoulders, and without anyone saying "fuck off or eh'l wrap your pus, or such pleasantries" just laughing and helping each other up. So "Sunday Bloody Sunday" was a 10/10 opener for me.


The sometimes over-dramatic vocals sometimes irk me but on this album I found them actually "just the job"  for for his lyrical sentiments, his bombastic delivery for me seemed utterly appropriate for this album, this is the U2 I don't mind listening to, punchy, aggressive, poundingly loud and no' hint of pretentiousness,


To be fair I enjoyed most of the tracks, and for that and great memories of "The Gresham," and the cover being no' too shabby, this album will be going into my collection.




Bits & Bobs;


They were originally called Feedback, after the awful noise they made in early rehearsals. Their next name was The Hype, followed by U2. The band's first two names were both suggested by Bono. He says that he doesn't like the name U2; he sees it as a bad pun. You too?


 
The band members met in high school in Ireland when Mullen posted a note looking to start a group. They have been together ever since.


 
Members had various nicknames in the early days. "The Edge" came about because of his chin. "Bono Vox" was the name of a hearing aid company Paul Hewson saw advertised on TV. Because U2 were a "loud" band, he thought it was an appropriate enough stage name.


 
Bono's first concert was The Clash's "White Riot" tour at Trinity College in Dublin.


 
They formed the band before they knew how to play. They wrote their own songs because they weren't good enough to play other people's.


 
They almost broke up in early '80s when the born-again Christian group that Bono, Edge, and Mullen belonged to tried to convince them to break up the band as a sacrifice to God.


 
Rolling Stone magazine named them "Band of the '80s."


The Edge used to live in the Los Angeles house where Eric and Lyle Menendez killed their parents in 1989.


They appeared on the 200th episode of The Simpsons, where Homer interrupts their concert to ask the crowd to support him for Sanitation Commissioner. He is taken backstage and beaten up.


Clayton was expelled from Mount Temple School for streaking.


Bono is the only person in the history of the world to be nominated for an Academy Award, a Nobel Prize, a Grammy and a Golden Globe.


Al Kooper's memoir Backstage Passes and Backstabbing Bastards (a good read if you get a chance) tells the story of how Kooper first heard U2 in 1979. While visiting England (and employed as producer for Epic Records), Kooper took in a show at the Marquee Club to see The Photos. He wasn't too impressed, but the opening act, "an Irish band," blew him away and as soon as their set was over, Kooper met the band backstage to ask if they'd signed with a label yet. They had - to Island Records. Al Kooper, the prodigy who discovered Lynryd Skynyrd, just missed being the first to discover U2!

Bono, referring to his father in an interview with Rolling Stone: "By not encouraging me to be a musician, even though that's all he ever wanted to be, he's made me one. By telling me never to have big dreams or else, that to dream is to be disappointed, he made me have big dreams. By telling me that the band would only last five minutes or ten minutes - we're still here."


 
Bono on the difference between pop and rock: "Pop music often tells you everything is OK, while rock music tells you that it's not OK, but you can change it. There's a defiance in rock music that gives you a reason to get out of bed in the morning. Most pop music doesn't make you want to get out of bed, I'm sorry to say. It puts you to sleep."


 
Edge's older brother, Dik Evans, was an early member of the group when they were still known as Feedback. He went on to form The Virgin Prunes.





RollingStone
March 31, 1983 5:00AM ET

War   
By J.D. Considine.



 From the start, it was clear that U2 could create impressive music. The jagged guitar riff and thundering drone that launched “I Will Follow” and the rest of their 1981 debut album, Boy, was eloquent and visceral. It was also musically uncomplicated; these four young Dubliners had an instinctive sense for making the most out of simple shifts in dynamics and elementary voicings, and it gave their sound a rough, exhilarating grandiloquence. The only problem was that once U2 caught a listener’s attention, they had little to say. Boy waxed poetic on the mysteries of childhood without really illuminating any of them; October, its successor, wrapped itself in romance and religion but didn’t seem to understand either. Without a viewpoint that could conform to the stirring rhythms and sweeping crescendos of their music, U2 often ended up sounding dangerously glib. 
 With their third album, War, U2 have found just such a perspective, and with it, have generated their most fulfilling work vet. War makes for impressive listening, but more important, it deals with a difficult subject in a sensible way. That subject is the sectarian strife in Northern Ireland, or what the Irish call “the troubles.” U2 are not the first group to play soldiers with this topic: Belfast’s Stiff Little Fingers have dealt with the problem explicitly, the Clash somewhat more obliquely. But no one has caught the paradox between stance and action so accurately.


 “Sunday Bloody Sunday,” which opens the album, apparently addresses Bloody Sunday, a 1972 incident in which British paratroopers killed thirteen civilians in an illegal civil-rights demonstration in Londonderry. As an acoustic guitar and a sizzling hi-hat build tension, vocalist Bono Vox sings. “I can’t believe the news today….” The band slips into some lush, sustained chords as he wonders, “How long? How long must we sing this song?” then jumps back into a militant, jagged dance beat.


 It’s great drama, and it lends a certain amount of credence to the song’s wistful chorus, “Tonight, we can be as one. Tonight!” But Vox tips his hand when he sings the urgent disclaimer. “I won’t heed the battle call It puts my back up, puts my back up against the wall.” What Vox and the band are saying, then, is that it’s pointless to take irresponsible risks when confronting irresponsible authority — but one must still take some sort of stance.  Unlike the Clash, who wrestle with imperialist foreign policy, or the Gang of Four, who try to transfer a Marxist dialectic to the dance floor, U2 don’t pretend to have the answers to the world’s troubles. Instead, they devote their energies to letting us know that they are concerned and to creating an awareness about those problems. And not only is that refreshing, but it makes sense, because U2 understand that it’s the gesture, not the message, that counts.


 Complementing U2’s lyrical growth is a newly developed dark sense of humor, which the band uses to striking effect throughout the album. “Seconds,” for example, opens with a sleepy funk riff driven by a cheerful toy bass drum. It’s a pleasant juxtaposition, but as the song’s subject matter becomes clear — the insanity of nuclear blackmail, where, as Bono Vox puts it, “the puppets pull the strings”—you realize that this jolly noisemaker is no more an innocent plaything than is the one in Gunter Grass’ The Tin Drum. Similarly, “New Year’s Day” includes the wisecrack, “So we are told, this is a golden age Gold is the reason for the wars we wage” — a remark far wiser than it at first seems.


 Yet War isn’t all jaded ideals and sour wit, for as Bono Vox makes his pronouncements, his vocalize reveals the full flower of U2’s melodic abilities. In between the bitter humor of “Seconds,” he breaks into joyous flights of wordless melody, his voice soaring in multitracked polyphony over the song’s slippery rhythms. “Surrender” is lighter still, thanks to its airy melody and the Edge’s coolly sustained guitar. In fact, this song is the one instance where the music says more than lyrics ever could, because hearing Vox’ blissful tenor floating over the backing vocals (courtesy of Kid Creole’s Coconuts) is a better definition of “Surrender” than anything in Webster’s.  Generally, the album’s musical strengths are largely the product of well-honed arrangements and carefully balanced dynamics. Even as the Edge spins increasingly sophisticated guitar lines, he maintains the minimalist bluntness that sparked Boy. And while bassist Adam Clayton and drummer Larry Mullen Jr. have swung to more dance-oriented rhythms, their songs hurtle along with the sort of brusque purposefulness more frequently associated with punk.


 U2 may not be great intellectuals, and War may sound more profound than it really is. But the songs here stand up against anything on the Clash’s London Calling in terms of sheer impact, and the fact that U2 can sweep the listener up in the same sort of enthusiastic romanticism that fuels the band’s grand gestures is an impressive feat. For once, not having all the answers seems a bonus.



 Hewson and his friends were part of a surrealist street gang called “Lypton Village” that like most gangs had a ritual of nickname-giving.  Hewson had several names: first, he was “Steinvic von Huyseman“, then just “Huyseman“, followed by “Houseman“, “Bon Murray“, “Bono Vox of O’Connell Street“, “Bona Vox” and finally just “Bono“.




 WTF??? Bonavox of O’Connell Street???  After doing some research, “Bonavox” was the name of a hearing aid shop the crew regularly passed on North Earl Street, just off O’Connell Street, in Dublin, Ireland.

 Initially, Bono disliked the name “Bono Vox” until he found out it meant “good voice” in Latin.bono = “good” –  vox = “voice”

He then gladly accepted the name and has been known as Bono since the late 1070’s.  Although he uses Bono as his stage name, close family and friends also refer to him as Bono, including his wife and fellow U2 band members.



LYPTON VILLAGE was a little known area in Ballymun, Dublin. It only ever existed for a few years during the 1970s. Its residents included Fionan Hanvey, David Evans, Paul Hewson and Derek Rowan. You could never find it on a map because it was a virtual village – a psychological place of escape for its inhabitants. Lypton Village had its own laws: art, music and weirdness were good, everything else was bad. It had its own language and its members were christened with new names – which is why Fionan Hanvey, David Evans, Paul Hewson and Derek Rowan are better known today as the musicians Gavin Friday, The Edge and Bono and the artist Guggi.



  Another great item from RETRO DUNDEE, with grateful thanks;








On this day, 26 years ago, U2 were playing in Dundee and it was a show I went to. In fact this was the 2nd time I had seen the band as I caught them at Edinburgh Nite Club a couple of years earlier.


I remember popping along to Da Vinci's for a quick pint before meeting up with my mates in the city square for the concert. So after my refreshment I was making my way into the town centre and as I was passing the Angus Hotel, lo and behold, there was U2 getting into their minibus ready to be taken to their gig. I very nearly shouted over to them to give me a lift but I managed to restrain myself. If I had another couple of pints inside me I may very well have been telling you about the time U2 drove me to their show!


Oh well, anyway, this Dundee gig was the very first date on this '83 tour. On the back of the stage they had a huge image of their "War" album cover. Bono was quite hyperactive on the night, pacing up & down the stage waving the white flag, clambering about on the PA stacks and even managing to reach the balcony at one point while still singing!


I missed the support act who were called The Nightcaps.


Below is a recording from this very U2 gig at the Caird Hall. Not only that, as they were trying out their new material, this track "Like A Song" would be the one and only time they would ever play this song on stage, so a bit of a Dundee exclusive!





 


 


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10/7/2019 5:51 pm  #1939


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Been looking for that ZZ Top album, for I was sure I'd bought it.

And had: on a tape.

The only song by U2 I've ever liked a lot is Discotheque (in the passing).

I've got a pal who went down to Holloway Road area to live, left as a Hun, very soon was a Man U fan.

 

10/7/2019 8:59 pm  #1940


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

PatReilly wrote:

Been looking for that ZZ Top album, for I was sure I'd bought it.

And had: on a tape.

Hope you've got a pencil on standby, to wind it back in?



PatReilly wrote:

The only song by U2 I've ever liked a lot is Discotheque (in the passing).
Can't say I liked that one, but then again no accounting for taste

PatReilly wrote:

I've got a pal who went down to Holloway Road area to live, left as a Hun, very soon was a Man U fan.

Trigger?
 


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10/7/2019 9:10 pm  #1941


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It's amazing what shite you can learn when putting in random questions about music!



The worst gig we ever played: musicians on their on-stage lows,



Francis Rossi, Status Quo


Dundee, 1969



You used to get extra money for playing in Scotland because it was so dangerous, although luckily the Scots took to us early on. We were in this brand new room with parquet flooring, and this fight broke out. I'd never seen anything like it – 1,500 people, everybody punching everyone else: men punching men, men punching women, women punching men, women punching women … it was like the Wild West. People bottling each other in the back and neck, glasses flying. And we were onstage and there was no way out. Luckily someone told us to get our stuff, get out, and come back in the morning. We didn't argue, we just left. We came back in the morning and these 20 old washer-women were there in a line, on their knees, scrubbing the blood out of this lovely new parquet floor.


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10/7/2019 11:29 pm  #1942


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Album 529.
The Police.............................Synchronicity   (1983)











First Bono, now Sting, what a cruel world we sometimes live in. Separate the artist from the arsehole Chantz? Ok, If anyone can remember, I actually put the 1979 offering "Reggatta de Blanc" into my vinyl collection so that was probably Stings Pre-Cunt days, now however he's in full cunt mode, but let's not let that influence your thoughts on this offering.



I found this one over produced, over indulgent and overly Stingkin' even the three singles from the album wouldn't be in my top 20 Police tracks, this for me was The Police at their commercially and wanky worst and thank the lords that was their last album.


This album wont be going into my collection.





Bits & Bobs;


Have wrote about this band earlier, in post #1652 (if interested)



RollingStone.

Synchronicity         June 23, 1983 4:00AM ET

By Stephen Holden.


Synchronicity is a work of dazzling surfaces and glacial shadows. Sunny pop melodies echo with ominous sound effects. Pithy verses deal with doomsday. A battery of rhythms — pop, reggae and African — lead a safari into a physical and spiritual desert, to “Tea in the Sahara.” Synchronicity, the Police’s fifth and finest album, is about things ending — the world in peril, the failure of personal relationships and marriage, the death of God.


 Throughout the LP, these ideas reflect upon one another in echoing, overlapping voices and instrumentation as the safari shifts between England’s industrial flatlands and Africa. “If we share this nightmare/ Then we can dream,” Sting announces in the title cut, a jangling collage of metallic guitar, percussion and voices that artfully conjures the clamor of the world.  Though the Police started out as straightforward pop-reggae enthusiasts, they have by now so thoroughly assimilated the latter that all that remains are different varieties of reggae-style syncopation. The Police and coproducer Hugh Padgham have transformed the ethereal sounds of Jamaican dub into shivering, self-contained atmospheres. Even more than on the hauntingly ambient Ghost in the Machine, each cut on Synchronicity is not simply a song but a miniature, discrete soundtrack.


 Synchronicity‘s big surprise, however, is the explosive and bitter passion of Sting’s newest songs. Before this LP, his global pessimism was countered by a streak of pop romanticism. Such songs as “De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da” and “Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic” stood out like glowing gems, safely sealed off from Sting’s darker reflections. On Synchronicity, vestiges of that romanticism remain, but only in the melodies. In the lyrics, paranoia, cynicism and excruciating loneliness run rampant.


 The cuts on Synchronicity are sequenced like Chinese boxes, the focus narrowing from the global to the local to the personal. But every box contains the ashes of betrayal. “Walking in Your Footsteps,” a children’s tune sung in a third-world accent and brightly illustrated with African percussion and flute, contemplates nothing less than humanity’s nuclear suicide. “Hey Mr. Dinosaur, you really couldn’t ask for more/You were god’s favorite creature but you didn’t have a future,” Sting calls out before adding, “[We’re] walking in your footsteps.”  In “O My God,” Sting drops his third-world mannerisms to voice a desperate, anguished plea for help to a distant deity: “Take the space between us, and fill it up, fill it up, fill it up!” This “space” is evoked in an eerie, sprinting dub-rock style, with Sting addressing not only God but also a woman and the people of the world, begging for what he clearly feels is an impossible reconciliation.


 The mood of cosmic anxiety is interrupted by two songs written by other members of the band. Guitarist Andy Summers’ corrosively funny “Mother” inverts John Lennon’s romantic maternal attachment into a grim dadaist joke. Stewart Copeland’s “Miss Gradenko,” a novelty about secretarial paranoia in the Kremlin, is memorable mainly for Summers’ modal twanging between the verses.


 The rest of the album belongs to Sting. “Synchronicity II” refracts the clanging chaos of “Synchronicity I” into a brutal slice of industrial-suburban life, intercut with images of the Loch Ness monster rising from the slime like an avenging demon. But as the focus narrows from the global to the personal on side two, the music becomes more delicate — even as the mood turns from suspicion to desperation to cynicism in “Every Breath You Take,” “King of Pain” and “Wrapped around Your Finger,” a triptych of songs about the end of a marriage, presumably Sting’s own. As the narrator of “Every Breath You Take” tracks his lover’s tiniest movements like a detective, then breaks down and pleads for love, the light pop rhythm becomes an obsessive marking of time. Few contemporary pop songs have described the nuances of sexual jealousy so chillingly.

 The rejected narrator in “King of Pain” sees his abandonment as a kind of eternal damnation in which the soul becomes “a fossil that’s trapped in a high cliff wall/ … A dead salmon frozen in a waterfall.” “Wrapped around Your Finger” takes a longer, colder view of the institution of marriage. Its Turkish-inflected reggae sound underscores a lyric that portrays marriage as an ancient, ritualistic hex conniving to seduce the innocent and the curious into a kind of slavery.




“Tea in the Sahara,” Synchronicity‘s moodiest, most tantalizing song, is an aural mirage that brings back the birdcalls and jungle sounds of earlier songs as whispering, ghostly instrumental voices. In this haunting parable of endless, unappeasable desire, Sting tells the story, inspired by the Paul Bowles novel The Sheltering Sky, of a brother and two sisters who develop an insatiable craving for tea in the desert. After sealing a bargain with a mysterious young man, they wait on a dune for his return, but he never appears. The song suggests many interpretations: England dreaming of its lost empire, mankind longing for God, and Sting himself pining for an oasis of romantic peace.


 And that is where this bleak, brilliant safari into Sting’s heart and soul finally deposits us — at the edge of a desert, searching skyward, our cups full of sand.





"Mother"
 
A bizarre track from The Police's fifth and final studio album, "Mother" was written by the group's guitarist Andy Summers. Summers explained that the song was inspired by his mom. "We all have our family situations, and I had a pretty intense mother who was very focused on me," he said. "I was sort of the 'golden child,' and there I was, sort of fulfilling all of her dreams by being this pop star in The Police. I got a certain amount of pressure from her."


 
By the time Synchronicity was released, Sting had an outsized influence on the group and near-total control over which songs they recorded. He wrote every song on the album except for this one, "Murder By Numbers" (co-written with Andy Summers) and "Miss Gradenko," which was written by their drummer, Stewart Copeland.



"Mother" won over Sting, and the song provided a quirky contrast to the other tracks on the set. "It was so bizarre and weird compared to everything else, that people really liked it," Summers told us.



"Synchronicity ll"

Synchronicity is the theory that seemingly coincidental events are connected through their meaning. Psychologist Carl Jung created the term as a way to explain paranormal events.


The synchronicity in this song is the connection between the picket lines protesting environmental contamination and the resulting mutant-monster rising from the polluted lake.


 
Sting wrote this and most of the songs from the Synchronicity album while staying at Golden Eye, the old home of James Bond creator Ian Fleming, on the North Shore of Jamaica. "Britain had gone to war with Argentina over the Falklands. Young men were dying in the freezing waters of the South Atlantic, while I was gazing at the sunspots on the clifftop overlooking the Caribbean," he noted in Lyrics By Sting.



During this time, he read a lot about Jung and became a believer in the concept of synchronicity.


 
A synchronicity in this song could be seen as what is happening at the Scottish loch and what is happening inside "Daddy's" head. The monster is coming out of the water and approaching the cottage. Daddy's despair and futility over his life are boiling to the surface just as he's arriving home. We can only imagine what will happen when he goes into the house.



Sting agrees with this assessment in Lyrics By Sting, and adds: "I was trying to dramatize Jung's theory of meaningful coincidence, but it was a rocking song nonetheless!"


 
The video was directed by Kevin Godley and Lol Creme, who also shot the video for "Every Breath You Take" The "Synchronicity II" video was a grand production, with each band member getting his own tower about 25 feet in the air. The area below them was meant to look like a garbage dump from the future, and at one point it caught fire under Stewart Copeland's tower - the directors made sure to keep rolling film to catch the action.



Godley explained, "The thought was, why don't we build this insane environment which is being blown by the wind and there is litter and stuff flying away, but each tower that houses each performer is built exclusively of elements of each of their own instruments. That was the theory behind it and it looked amazing.



We used something called a Hot Head which is a remote camera mount that you can put on the edge of a crane and operate it from down below as opposed to being sat on a camera, which used to happen with a traditional crane. It was a great shoot, and we went to Scotland and we took a boat across the lake and all those bits and pieces, but really the heart of the thing was the studio performance. The sheer visceral nature of it really helped - we felt it really helped the momentum of the song. It's quite a fast song and it really has that visceral feeling about it. It turned out really well, but it does get dated a little bit because of the costumes."


 
The album opens with "Synchronicity I," which is a completely different song which they also used as the first song on their tour.


 
Synchronicity was the last album, and until 2007, the last tour for The Police. Even though they were immensely popular, Sting broke up the band to start a solo career.




"Every Breath You Take"


This is one of the most misinterpreted songs ever. It is about an obsessive stalker, but it sounds like a love song. Some people even used it as their wedding song. The Police frontman Sting wrote it after separating from his first wife, Frances Tomelty.



In a 1983 interview with the New Musical Express, Sting explained: "I think it's a nasty little song, really rather evil. It's about jealousy and surveillance and ownership." Regarding the common misinterpretation of the song, he added: "I think the ambiguity is intrinsic in the song however you treat it because the words are so sadistic. On one level, it's a nice long song with the classic relative minor chords, and underneath there's this distasteful character talking about watching every move. I enjoy that ambiguity. I watched Andy Gibb singing it with some girl on TV a couple of weeks ago, very loving, and totally misinterpreting it. (Laughter) I could still hear the words, which aren't about love at all. I pissed myself laughing."


 
In America, this was the biggest hit of 1983, according to Billboard's year-end chart. It stayed at #1 for eight weeks, longer than any other song that year (Michael Jackson's "Billie Jean" was #2, with a seven-week stay).


 
Sting wrote this at the same desk in Jamaica where Ian Fleming wrote his James Bond novels. By this time, the band was at the peak of their popularity and often traveled to exotic locales so they could work more effectively. Sting was also exerting more control, taking less input from his bandmates when it came time to record his songs. Synchronicity ended up being the fifth and final Police studio album, as it was clear they could no longer work together. "Every Breath You Take" was the first single from the album.


 
Police guitarist Andy Summers made a significant contribution to the arrangement of this song. He explained in a Record Collector interview: "Without that guitar part there's no song. That's what sealed it. My guitar completely made it classic and put the modern edge on it. I actually came up with it in one take, but that's because Sting's demo left a lot of space for me to do what I did. There was no way I was just gonna strum barre chords through a song like that."



Drummer Stewart Copeland concurs. "'Every Breath You Take,' Sting brought it in as a Hammond organ thing but we agreed that we are a guitar band, so Andy figured out that arpeggiated figure with which we are all so familiar,"


 
The middle of the song was finished last. They didn't know what to do with it until Sting sat at a piano and started hitting the same key over and over. That became the basis for the missing section.



 Sting knew this would be the band's biggest hit when he wrote it, even if he didn't think he was breaking new ground. In Rolling Stone magazine, he said: "'Every Breath You Take' is an archetypal song. If you have a major chord followed by a relative minor, you're not original."


 
This won Grammys in 1984 for Song of the Year and Best Pop Performance By Duo Or Group With Vocal.


 
At the first MTV Video Music Awards in 1983, this won for Best Cinematography. Featuring black-and-white layered visuals, it was directed by Lol Creme and Kevin Godley of the duo Godley & Creme, who used a similar look in their 1985 video for "Cry"



According to Andy Summers, an executive at their record company named Jeff Ayeroff showed the band, along with Godley and Creme, a 1944 short film called Jammin The Blues, which contained elegant black-and-white footage of famous jazz musicians performing in a smoky club. Andy Summers of The Police stated that their video was just a "watered down version" of this film.


 
Diddy (known as Puff Daddy at the time), sampled this on "I'll Be Missing You," his 1997 tribute to rapper Notorious B.I.G. Sting didn't know about the sample until after the song was released. He ended up making lots of money from it, claiming he put some of his kids through college with the proceeds. Sting performed "I'll Be Missing You" with P. Diddy at the MTV Video Music Awards, and the two remain friends.


 
Other than the musicians, there is only one other character in the video: a guy washing the windows behind the band. What's he doing there? Godley explained: "The window washer felt right for that kind of noir feel. But, it also may be somebody who you don't expect to be watching the process, which refers to that sense of surveillance that the song is really about. We specifically did not want to know his story. That's something I've held fast to all the years I've been doing this: I hate telling the story of the song, because it's either show or tell, it's not both. If the song is saying something, you don't want to be showing what the song is saying. You want to be putting the performance of the song, something about the song, in a place, a frame if you like, that enhances the experience. Don't do the obvious. But, in this case, I think the window cleaner is perhaps a suggestion of somebody watching."


 
Stewart Copeland recorded his drum part in separate takes, overdubbing each drum. Sting wanted to use an Oberheim drum machine for the hi-hat, but Copeland fought him on that and ended up playing it himself.


 
Sting performed this on a 2001 episode of Ally McBeal. In the show, he was sued by a couple who broke up after one of his sexually suggestive concerts.


 
Robert Downey Jr., who was on Ally McBeal at the time, recorded a duet of this song with Sting for an album from the show called For Once In My Life. Downey was arrested and sent back to drug rehab soon after it was released.


 
This appears on the soundtrack of the 1999 Julia Roberts movie Runaway Bride. It was also used in the movies Risky Business (1983), Speed 2: Cruise Control (1987), The Replacements (2000), 50 First Dates (2004), Young at Heart (2007), What Just Happened (2008), and Heartbeats (2010).


 
The Police performed this when they were inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2003. They were inducted by No Doubt lead singer Gwen Stefani, who showed a picture of her getting an autograph from Sting when she was a chubby 13 year old. It was the last performance of the night and the closest thing to the all-star jam that typically ends the ceremonies.


 
Taking account of Puff Daddy's "I'll Be Missing You," as well, which spent 11 weeks at #1, the combined total of 19 weeks makes this the longest running #1 tune in the Hot 100. The longest run at the top for a single song is Mariah Carey and Boyz II Men's "One Sweet Day," which spent 16 weeks at #1.


 
Sting started off with the refrain "Every breath you take," then worked back. He recalled in Isle Of Noises by Daniel Rachel: "Once I'd written and performed it, I realized it was quite dark. My intention might have been to write a romantic song, seductive, enveloping and warm. Then I saw another side of my personality was involved, too, about control and jealousy, and that's its power. It was written at a difficult time."


 
Sting wrote in Lyrics By Sting: "The song has the standard structure of a pop ballad, but there is no harmonic development after the middle eight, no release of emotions or change in the point of view of the protagonist. He is trapped in his circular obsessions. Of course, I wasn't aware of any of this. I thought I was just writing a hit song, and indeed it became one of the songs that defined the '80s, and by accident the perfect sound track for Reagan's Star Wars fantasy of control and seduction.




When I finally became aware of this symmetry, I was forced to write an antidote: '
If You Love Somebody, Set Them Free"


   If you didn't catch the true meaning of this song, don't worry, Stewart Copeland didn't either. It wasn't until after the song was released that he realized it wasn't a love song. "Sting was a master of bait and switch," he said in a 2019 Songfacts interview. "I was with him a couple of weeks ago doing a documentary about music and I asked him, 'Why didn't you make 'Every Breath You Take' a nice song that people could get married to? What's the matter with you?,' and we laughed."




"Wrapped Around Your Finger"


Written by Sting, this song is about being under the control of another person. For most of the song, the singer is under the control of the woman who dominates him. At the end however, he figures her out and turns the tables. The chorus changes from "I'll be wrapped around your finger" to "you'll be wrapped around my finger."


 
The line "Caught between Scylla and Charibdes" is a reference to Greek mythology. Scylla was a nymph who was turned into a six-headed monster by Circe. She lived on the Straits of Messina and destroyed any boats that passed by. Across from Scylla was a whirlpool where the a monster named Charibdes lived. Sailors going between them were usually killed. Odysseus made it, which is described in the book The Odyssey.


 
"Mephistopheles," as heard in the line, "Mephistopheles is not your name," is another name for the Devil.


 
 In "Wrapped Around Your Finger," the band is inside a labyrinth of candles, which Sting knocks down at the end. It's all in slow motion, but the lip-sync is in time with the music - something that required an unusual performance.



Godley explained: "The song was very graceful and very elegant, and we had the idea of the candles, but just filming them among candles didn't seem enough - there was something lacking in the idea. visually, it would look great, but it was about how it moved.



I had the mad notion that wouldn't it be interesting if somehow the film was exclusively in slow motion, but the lip-sync was somehow in time to the music. We sat down and thought about how this might be possible. You see it quite often nowadays, but I think this was the first time it was ever done. In the studio, we played a sped-up version of the song, so the actual environment we were working in was totally opposite to what it ended up looking like - it was Mickey Mouse. You were listening to Mickey Mouse singing 'Wrapped Around Your Finger' at double speed. We were shooting at 50 frames per second, the idea being when you slowed the film down, they were moving in slow-mo but they were in sync with the track at real time. And it did work. Not perfectly, but it looked amazing - it looked really, really amazing. But on the day, it was insane, because they were rushing around and hitting drums and playing guitars and singing at double speed. It was manic, and by the end of the day, they were exhausted."


 
The Police guitarist Andy Summers isn't big on this one. He said in the book I Want My MTV: "I've never been much of a fan of that song, actually. Sting got to shoot his part last in that video and made a meal of knocking all the candles out. F--k him."



As he did on "King Of Pain," drummer Stewart Copeland played a mallet part "as an additive, as a bit of decoration." When The Police played the song live though, it was with much more elaborate percussion: Copeland would leave his kit and step into a rig with crotales, timpani, a gong, and just about anything else he could strike with a stick. It was an impressive display and a great showcase for Copeland, who is a multifaceted percussionist.


 
In 1985, Sting told Musician how this song is connected to "Fortress Around Your Heart," from his solo debut, The Dream of the Blue Turtles: "'Wrapped' was a spiteful song about turning the tables on someone who had been in charge. 'Fortress,' on the other hand, is about appeasement, about trying to bridge the gaps between individuals."


 
There was no script for the video, and while many viewers thought it had some deep meaning, it just fit the mood of the song. In the book MTV Ruled the World - The Early Years of Music Video, drummer Stewart Copeland talks about the making of the video: "It was shot in A&M, on the soundstage they had there. They deny it, but I constantly hassle both Kevin and Lol about their stealing my idea that I actually did with Klark Kent - the other way around, where I had the music run slowly, so that I mimed in slow motion, and then when they synched it up to the music, I had this herky-jerky, kinda 'fast-mo' movement, that was still in time with the music, only it was sort of jerky and strange body movements. Well, they did it the other way around, where they played the music fast, and we mimed to it fast, and then they slow it down, so we were all in synch with the music, but in slow-mo."


 
Sting on the song's meaning in Lyrics By Sting: "This song is vaguely alchemical and probably about a friend of mine, a professional psychic and my tutor in tarot, with bits of Doctor Faustus and 'The Sorcerer's Apprentice' thrown into the pot for good measure."



The story of Faust is a classic German legend about a scholar who makes a deal with the Devil, a tale that inspired Thomas Mann's 1947 novel Doctor Faustus. "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" is a poem written in 1797 by German poet Goethe, which follows a young apprentice's dubious decision to try his hand at magic while the sorcerer is away. The story was adapted for Disney's Fantasia.




Sting, Puff Daddy, Andy Summers, and the case of the misplaced bajillion dollars


The website Celebrity Net Worth has an article about the royalty situation on The Police’s "Every Breath You Take and the artist formerly known as Puff Daddy’s "I'll Be Missing You" that is absolutely, utterly fascinating.
Because of the vagaries of music authorship rules, every penny of royalties that is generated by both “Every Breath You Take” and “I’ll Be Missing You” goes into the bank account of one Gordon Matthew Thomas Sumner, a.k.a. Sting. Not Puff Daddy—or P. Diddy either. Not Andy Summers, who is the only member of the Police whose musicianship can be heard on “I’ll Be Missing You” directly. Not Stewart Copeland, who also had a hand in writing the song. All the money goes to Sting—and that money amounts to roughly two thousand dollars a day—seventeen years after the Puff Daddy song was released and thirty-one years after The Police song was released. According to Celebrity Net Worth, more than a quarter of all the money Sting has ever earned comes from “Every Breath You Take”/“I’ll Be Missing You.” The number’s a little more eye-popping when presented in annual form: It comes to $730,000 a year, each and every year for the foreseeable future.


 The short version of why this came about is that Puff Daddy forgot to ask Sting for permission to use “Every Breath You Take” before the fact. If he had done so, he would have ended up paying Sting a mere 25% of the royalties. But Puff Daddy didn’t ask, which allowed Sting to take legal action, and that resulted in Sting receiving 100% of the royalties generated by “I’ll Be Missing You.” The other part of this is that Sting is listed as the sole songwriter on “Every Breath You Take”—not The Police, not Sting/Summers, just Sting alone. So he receives 100% of the songwriting royalties generated by “Every Breath You Take,” which in this case happens to include all the royalties to “I’ll Be Missing You” as well. Famously, the members of The Police couldn’t really stand each other a high proportion of the time, and the recording of 1983’s Synchronicity, The Police’s last album and the album on which “Every Breath You Take” appears, was every bit as acrimonious as the sessions for the Beatles’ Let it Be. Everyone agrees that Andy Summers wrote the undying guitar riff featured on “Every Breath You Take.” But Sting was savvier, and Sting secured sole songwriting credit.


 Understandably, Summers is more than a little annoyed about all of this; he’d like to see some of that $2,000 a day flowing into his bank account! Summers has called the song “the major rip-off of all time,” adding, “He actually sampled my guitar… that’s what he based his whole track on. Stewart’s not on it. Sting’s not on it. I’d be walking round Tower Records, and the fucking thing would be playing over and over. It was very bizarre while it lasted.”


 Celebrity Net Worth quotes a chunk of an interview with all three members of The Police—the first such interview in fifteen years:
Summers: We spent about six weeks recording just the snare drums and the bass. It was a simple, classic chord sequence, but we couldn’t agree how to do it. I’d been making an album with Robert Fripp, and I was kind of experimenting with playing Bartok violin duets and had worked up a new riff. When Sting said ‘go and make it your own’, I went and stuck that lick on it, and immediately we knew we had something special.


Copeland: Yeah, Sting said make it your own – just keep your hands off my f***in’ royalties. Andy, since we’re here, I’m going to back you up on this. You should stand up right now and say, ‘I, Andy, want all the Puff Daddy money. Because that’s not Sting’s song he’s using, that’s my guitar riff.’ Okay over to you Andy, Go for it…



Summers: [meekly] Okay, I want all of the Puff Daddy Money.



Sting: Okay Andy here’s all the money [pours some change on the table]. Unfortunately, I’ve spent the rest of it.



Copeland: So Sting’s making out like a bank robber here, while Andy and I have gone unrewarded and unloved for our efforts and contributions.



Sting: Life… is… fucking… tough. Here I am in Tuscany…



Copeland: And don’t we know it! You’re in Tuscany in your palace with wine being poured down your throat and grapes being peeled for you. Sting can you buy me a castle in Italy too? With the proceeds from the longest running hit single in the history of radio? Just a little chateau somewhere?



Sting: We don’t have fucking chateaus in Italy, They’re called palazzos. I’ll lend you a room.


  
By the way, the full interview is completely enthralling reading for anyone who is into The Police. The weird animosity and yet chemistry that Sting, Copeland, and Summers share is one of a kind. They clearly kind of hate each other, or at least Copeland clearly kind of hates Sting, but insofar as they share a friendship and a bond, it’s largely made up of a kind of grudging respect and a taste for rough humor. When the interviewer, Vic Garbarini, decides to join in on the verbal horseplay, he’s rebuked by Copeland: “Now, now Victor, we’re all here pulling each other’s chains, having a bit of fun at each other’s expense. But you can shut the f*** up!” (Asterisks in the original version.)


 It’s tempting to think that Andy Summers deserves all of the royalties from “Every Breath You Take” and “I’ll Be Missing You.” And surely he does deserve some of them. But if you ask the question, who was responsible for the success of “Every Breath You Take” and “I’ll Be Missing You,” surely the names Sting and Puff Daddy are pretty high on the list, right? This is not to deny that the irresistible guitar riff is a major, major part of the appeal, it’s merely to admit that the emotional content of Puff Daddy’s feelings for the (then) recently departed Notorious B.I.G. and Sting’s own spooky, overly serious persona were doing a lot of the work as well. And we’re only even talking about this because Diddy made a stupid error in terms of not requesting permission to use “Every Breath You Take.” But for all we know, that kind of cautiousness would have ruled out “I’ll Be Missing You” ever being recorded or released or becoming such a massive hit. We just don’t know! What we need is a Solomonic figure somewhere to adjudicate who gets what part of the money.


 Until then, Sting gets all of it—reportedly, all of it until 2053, when he’ll be 102 years old, should he live that long. As Sting himself once said, “Life is fucking tough!”


 Except for him!


Fuckin' absolute Cunt!

 

 
  

 


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11/7/2019 9:21 am  #1943


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Album 531.
Culture Club................................Colour By Numbers (1983)















Culture Club had already put themselves on the map with 1982s Kissing To Be Clever debut album. A trio of singles, the calling card "Do You Really Want To Hurt Me?" (hands up who thought he was a burd the first time they seen him on TOTPs?) the teen slow-dance favourite "Time (Clock Of The Heart)," and the catchy "I'll Tumble 4 Ya"---gave the group some pop musical substance to back the flashy image it had cultivated.


Released a year later Colour By Numbers backed that initial salvo with a quartet of hits, admittedly some momentum is lost in the final third of the album. But the perfectly crafted pop served up elsewhere comfortably justifies Colour By Numbers class
ic status---and gave them multiplatinum sales in several countries.
 

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11/7/2019 5:48 pm  #1944


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

arabchanter wrote:

It's amazing what shite you can learn when putting in random questions about music!



The worst gig we ever played: musicians on their on-stage lows,



Francis Rossi, Status Quo


Dundee, 1969



You used to get extra money for playing in Scotland because it was so dangerous, although luckily the Scots took to us early on. We were in this brand new room with parquet flooring, and this fight broke out. I'd never seen anything like it – 1,500 people, everybody punching everyone else: men punching men, men punching women, women punching men, women punching women … it was like the Wild West. People bottling each other in the back and neck, glasses flying. And we were onstage and there was no way out. Luckily someone told us to get our stuff, get out, and come back in the morning. We didn't argue, we just left. We came back in the morning and these 20 old washer-women were there in a line, on their knees, scrubbing the blood out of this lovely new parquet floor.

Surely most of that is made up?
 

 

11/7/2019 5:51 pm  #1945


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

That Police album is in my loft, and it's staying there.

My wife (to be at the time) must have bought it, 'cos I didn't.

 

12/7/2019 9:13 am  #1946


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Album 532.
Frankie Goes To Hollywood........................Welcome To The Pleasuredome   (1984)










Producer Trevor Horn wanted a big launch for his new record label ZTT Records, and he got exactly that with Frankie Goes To Hollywood’s controversial, international smash hit “Relax”. It topped the UK Chart and became the country’s then, sixth biggest selling single of all time. Their follow-up single “Two Tribes” topped the UK chart for nine weeks.


 By the time FGTH’s debut album Welcome To The Pleasuredome was released in November 1984, it already had a million advance orders. It topped the UK albums chart and its next single became the group’s third consecutive #1. FGTH dominated the UK singles chart in 1984, owwning the top spot for 15 of the 52 weeks. These accomplishments prompted Paul McCartney to call FGTH “the Beatles of the Eighties”.


 In March 1985, the title track was released as the band’s fourth and final single and it peaked at #2, held from the top spot by Phil Bailey and Phil Collins “Easy Lover”. The band continued touring in support of Welcome To The Pleasuredome in early 1985 before spending nine months in the studio writing and recording their next album.


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13/7/2019 10:33 pm  #1947


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Album 530.
Meat Puppets..............................Meat Puppets ll   (1983)













Yet another band I'd never heard of, never knew of the Nirvana connection, but really glad this book brought them to my attention. This album intrigued me on first listen, but mesmerised me the more I played it, cow-punk simply means a style of music that's a combination of country and punk. You could be forgiven for thinking that'd be an awful idea, and on paper, I guess that it is, but it works brilliantly. Meat Puppets managed to combine those two genres better than anybody else, and they even added a dash of psychedelic rock in there as well.


Now I like Nirvana as much as the next guy, but maybe the best thing they ever did was cover three songs off this album.  Not because it was a "cool thing to do", but because it gave this album the popularity it deserves.  Of course it's not like I heard any of these songs before I heard Nirvana's versions myself, but after getting into this album as a whole, I'd like to think that this album is so good, it would have eventually earned the popularity at some point anyway.


The three tracks that Nirvana covered "Plateau," "Oh Me" and "Lake of Fire" are excellent tracks, even the instrumentals worked by the second listen, of all the tracks my favourite at the moment is "Lost" the vocals strangely reminding me of "All Apologies" in part, but then that's probably just me.


This album has a very eclectic mixture that's right up my street, has some fine musicianship, and I can see how the vocals might put some off, but I do like unpredictible off the wall rather than mundane chanters. One reviewer I read said "Sounds like a half-drunk cover band playing the greatest album ever made, in a tiny, mostly vacant lounge at 1am. I pity the fool who doesn't enjoy this...rock and roll pure and to-the-point," I see where he was coming from.


So if you're up for something a little left of the dial, and you give this a couple of listens, I think you'll fall in love with this one, this album will be going into my vinyl collection.





Bits & Bobs;

Meat Puppets BiographyMeat Puppets was formed in the very early '80s in Phoenix, Texas USA, by guitarist + singer & main songwriter Curt Kirkwood, his younger brother Cris on bass and Derrick Bostrom on drums. The threesome delivered its eclectic iconoclasm with an increasingly sophisticated level of instrumental interplay, highlighted by Curt's inventive guitar runs and his and Cris' rough-hewn vocal harmonies. The trio's dynamic interaction was further reflected in their adrenaline-charged live shows; all of this led to a recording contract with SST Records.


 Although Meat Puppets would later become best known for their intriguing blend of psych-Rock, Punk and Folk, the trio's 1982 self-titled full-length debut was a furious hardcore album.


 Their sophomore release, "Meat Puppets II", came out two years later but rose to popularity in the '90s when Nirvana covered the album's three best tracks on their historic "MTV Unplugged In New York": "Plateau", "Lake Of Fire" and "Oh, Me".


 1985 saw the release of "Up On The Sun" and in 1987 Meat Puppets unleashed "Mirage", an experimental album which was followed a few months later by "Huevos" a 9-track set comprised almost entirely of heavy-Rock numbers.


 Two years later the Texan trio returned with their sixth LP, "Monsters" the final release for SST.


 After nearly a decade of do-it-yourself success, Meat Puppets made a successful transition to major-label status in the first half of the '90s, signing with London Records and releasing "Forbidden Places" in July 1991, this album included "Sam", the band's first single which leapt into The Modern Rock chart at #13.


 The follow-up album, "Too High To Die", made unexpected inroads into the Rock mainstream upon its January 1994 release; the CD peaked at #1 on Billboard's Top Heatseekers chart, reached the #62 position on The Billboard 200 and went gold, selling over 500,000 copies on the strength of the surprise hit "Backwater"; the track shot to #2 on The Mainstream Rock chart, peaked at #11 on The Modern Rock Tracks and also crossed over to The Billboard Hot 100 reaching #47; "We Don't Exist", the second single off the album, was another Active Rock radio top 30 hit.


 In October 1995 Meat Puppets released "No Joke!" but the record failed to capitalize on its predecessor's success and made a brief appearance in the U.S. Billboard 200 chart producing a Mainstream Rock top 20 hit in the single "Scum" and Cris began sinking into drug addiction.


 Despite Curt's initial efforts to help get his brother into rehab, Cris continued disappearing into a haze of addiction. He and his wife, Michelle Tardif, became increasingly reclusive. Sadly Michelle, died of a morphine and cocaine overdose in 1998.


 With all the turmoil and tragedy surrounding his family, Curt Kirkwood assembled a new quartet version of Meat Puppets, featuring guitarist Kyle Ellison, bassist Andrew Duplantis and drummer Shandon Sahm. Despite a year and a half of rehearsal before the band debuted, Curt admits that the new line-up never realized the chemistry of the original Puppets and they lasted for only one album, the lackluster 2000's "Golden Lies".


 "Rise To Your Knees" was the first album of new material to bear the Meat Puppets name since 2000 and the first in a dozen years to reunite Curt with his brother, Cris Kirkwood, who rejoined the band after a lengthy struggle with substance abuse. New drummer Ted Marcus replaced original timekeeper Derrick Bostrom. The album hit stores in July 2007 but failed to recapture their earlier commercial success.


 Two years later arrived the trio's twelfth studio album "Sewn Together" which featured the single/video "Rotten Shame".


 Meat Puppets issued their next album, "Lollipop", in April 2011 on Megaforce Records; recorded at Spoon's Hi-Fi Studios in Austin, the album features new drummer Shandon Sahm.

 
The Meat Puppets originally formed in 1980. Singer/guitarist Curt Kirkwood first met drummer Derrick Bostrom at a party in Paradise Valley, Arizona.  Kirkwood recalls, "It was a party of all his friends from the church that he went to - they were all pretty eccentric people already, listening to a lot of different stuff."


 
The Meat Puppets' 1982 self-titled album was recorded in just three days (at Unicorn Studios on Santa Monica Boulevard) and under the influence. As bassist Cris Kirkwood recalled in the book Too High to Die, "We dosed for three days in a row and recorded that thing."


 
Although Meat Puppets II is an all-time favorite of Soundgarden guitarist Kim Thayil, it wasn't until many years later that he actually owned a copy of the album. At the time of the album's release (1984), a friend dubbed Thayil a cassette - one side comprised of early material from Blue Cheer, the other side featuring Meat Puppets II.


 
Curt Kirkwood once broke his finger (when it was accidentally slammed in a van door), which was one of the reasons that the 1986 release, Out My Way, was only an EP.


 
After the break up of the short-lived supergroup Eyes Adrift (which saw Curt joined by ex-Nirvana bassist Krist Novoselic and ex-Sublime drummer Bud Gaugh), Curt and Bud joined forces in the band Volcano. Like Eyes Adrift, Volcano only managed to issue a single self-titled album before breaking up.


 From the Meat Puppets II liner notes:

The album strikes an outsider theme right away with “Split Myself in Two”, a song based on the fairy tale of Rumpelstiltskin. “The whole idea there is how you fit in as the interloper, the pariah, the outsider,” Curt says.


 From the Meat Puppets II liner notes:


…the fast country-flavored instrumental “Magic Toy Missing” [is] an implicit reminder of the many affinities between punk and bluegrass. The song, Curt claims, “was pretty much about how the moon was actually a pattern to show you where to put your Spirograph toy.”

 From the Meat Puppets II liner notes:


Meat Puppets II was what Kurt Loder, in a four-star Rolling Stone review called “a kind of cultural trash compactor”. There’s Eighties angst and Seventies debauchery, but with the Grateful Dead influences, the cosmic imagery, the acid damage, the laid-back vibe and a heavy dose of Zen philosopher Alan Watts, it’s the spectre of the Sixties counterculture which hangs most heavily over the album. The members of the Meat Puppets were old enough to have absorbed that culture, but too young to have enjoyed it before it collapsed. So when Curt sung in “Lost,” “I’m tired of living in Nixon’s mess,” he meant it.


 From the Meat Puppets II liner notes:


“Plateau, It’s a coming of age song,” says Curt. “Getting out of the house, realizing that I wasn’t going to be able to accept whatever the status quo was going to be, that I was going to have to be satisfied with whatever level of existence that I had achieved. It’s probably the most truthful song I’ve ever written.”

 
This song was popularized when Kurt Cobain personally invited Curt Kirkwood and his brother Kris to perform three of their tunes with Nirvana during the Grunge band's famous 1993 MTV Unplugged appearance. Their version of this tune appears on Nirvana's 1994 album MTV Unplugged in New York. "I've talked to Krist Novoselic and other people," Curt Kirkwood recalled to Mojo magazine January 1995, "and it seems they listened to us a lot before they started the band. I guess they liked our stuff 'cos we took a step away from formulaic hardcore in the early '80s but still had the attitude. Also, both Kurt and I have that high and lonesome country thing in our voices, the way he'd purposely let his voice break, like Jimmie Rodgers or something. The idea of the Unplugged covers came about when we toured with Nirvana a year ago. It was clear that we were on the same trip - Kurt wanted to extend the end part of 'Plateau' for half an hour, and I'd written that song to be cyclical, so you could just space out."


 
Music writer Stephen M. Deusner noted in the book, The Pitchfork 500, that this song is "a tricky, ambiguous metaphor about consumerism, or religion, or the afterlife. If you buy into the last of those" he continued, "then all that awaits you once you die are, allegedly, 'a bucket and a mop and an illustrated book about birds.'"


 
The title of UK rapper/singer Plan B's 2006 debut album, Who Needs Actions When You Got Words, was taken from one of this song's lyrics.
 From the Meat Puppets II liner notes:


…“We’re Here” seems to be about an acid-tripper who’s reminded that there’s a world outside his skull by the arrival of some friends; appropriately, the song ends with a lambent guitar solo, blurred like acid trails.


 From the Meat Puppets II liner notes:


Four funereal tom-tom beats announce “Lake of Fire”, an epic song that lasts less than two minutes. Curt says it “was a cartoon song about the idea of the whole fuckin' Catholic nature of evil.”

 
The "Lake Of Fire" is Hell. There is a lot of biblical imagery in the lyrics, and the song can be seen about how the Christian church uses the idea of hell to scare people into following their beliefs (Meat Puppets did a version of a song called "Jesus Don't Want Me For A Sunbeam" which is also very sarcastic).



The song's writer, lead singer Curt Kirkwood, didn't set out to write religious commentary - his inspiration was far more jocose. He told us: "A lot of times I don't remember writing songs, I can't remember anything about like, how did I come up with that? But 'Lake of Fire,' we were all living together and everybody decided to go to a Halloween party, and they were all getting in costumes. And I thought, 'Man, this is one of the stupidest things - adults getting dressed up like we did when we were little kids.'



I had actually got pretty wasted on something and told everybody, 'No, I'm not going.' And then once I was alone, I just started messing around. I wrote a couple of songs that night. I wrote 'Magic Toy Missing' and 'Lake of Fire,' maybe one more. But I was just really trying to make fun of my friends for going out to a Halloween party."


 
Nirvana performed this song on their 1993 MTV Unplugged appearance, which was also released as an album called MTV Unplugged in New York the next year. Along with "Lake Of Fire," Nirvana also played two other Meat Puppets songs: "Plateau" and "Oh, Me." They were joined by Curt and Cris Kirkwood of Meat Puppets for these three songs.



Kurt Cobain was a huge Meat Puppets fan and would often mention them as an inspiration. "He was always in the moment," Curt Kirkwood told us about Cobain. "He wasn't very conversive, just really, really casual. I was pretty blown away by the whole thing, just on the level of how it was and wasn't, like my concept of it. It was a strange thing to be around, because there was so much attention at any point coming from every direction."



The Meat Puppets’ story is one of many ups (guesting on Nirvana’s Unplugged) and downs (bassist Cris Kirkwood’s drug addiction derailing the band). The new book, Too High to Die: Meet the Meat Puppets, is a comprehensive oral history of the band’s career, assembled by Rolling Stone writer Greg Prato. It features all-new interviews with band members past and present, as well as with Flea, Peter Buck, Henry Rollins, Ian MacKaye, Kim Thayil, and Scott Asheton, among others. Here is an exclusive excerpt from the book, which tells the tale of the group’s classic 1984 release, Meat Puppets II.

MEAT PUPPETS II [1984]


 Cris Kirkwood [Meat Puppets bassist]: I remember getting up one morning – we all lived together, and Cinda may have been pregnant…or maybe [Curt’s children] were real teeny-weeny – and he was sitting at the table. He was like, “I’ve got a new song,” and it was “Lake of Fire.” He played it, and I was like, “God…that’s great, dude! What cool imagery and satisfying chord changes.”


 Curt Kirkwood [Meat Puppets singer/guitarist]: It was Halloween. Everybody wanted to go to a Halloween party – we all were living together in the same house with some girlfriends. I thought the Halloween party was a really dumb idea. Being a new adult myself at the time, I was like, “Adults are always in disguises. Everybody’s got a dumb costume on constantly. Whether they know it or not, they’re all in costume, and they want to go out and put on a different costume and act like children.” I guess I was being a party pooper.

 They all went to the party, so I dropped a hit of acid, and wrote “Lake of Fire” and “Magic Toy Missing.” I sat out in the backyard and wrote them, when it was a full moon, too. “Magic Toy Missing” was from looking at the moon and it was making a kaleidoscope happen, when you’re tripped out like that. I tried to make a musical version of the Spirograph sort of thing that the moon was doing. I wrote them both in about 20 minutes. “Lake of Fire” was kind of like, “Oh, the bad people! They’re out tonight – look, it’s Frankenstein and the Mummy!” Just making fun of my friends, really.  Cris Kirkwood: “Plateau,” I thought the lyrics in that were great. Curt started writing really bitching lyrics. And it became a hallmark, it made the band what it is.


 Curt Kirkwood: Whereas I remember writing “Lake of Fire” and “Magic Toy Missing,” I don’t remember writing “Plateau.” I was experimenting with moving an open G chord up and down the neck, so I came up with that one. “Oh, Me” was kind of a ponderance on something that Derrick [Bostrom] and I were into, which was “me-ism.” Ego-ism. Just worshipping ourselves. Blind faith in ourselves.


 Cris Kirkwood: But “Plateau,” those songs have taken on extra cache or whatever, because the Cobain/Nirvana thing [Nirvana would later cover several Meat Puppets II tunes for MTV Unplugged]. And they were good choices by Nirvana. That kid really got Meat Puppets II in the way that I didn’t realize people were getting it back then like that. I didn’t realize that anybody noticed at all, because all the more straightforward punker stuff had an easier time of it in a way.


 Curt Kirkwood: We did Meat Puppets II, we had an ounce of ecstasy. We just snorted X the whole time, and it was “MDMA” back then. We were really into putting things into these double locked capsules full of MDMA, and getting high as shit. Nobody knew what X was yet.

 Yeah, we were having a blast. See, we didn’t drink, that’s the thing about the Meat Puppets. My brother would drink some, but Derrick and I didn’t drink at all in the early days. We smoked some weed – we weren’t your typical partiers. It wasn’t “rock” really, it was peer surrealist art for us, like we get to do this and emulate our heroes.

 Derrick was way into surrealists like [Francis] Picabia, and then cartoonists like Jack Kirby. We were trying to find some sort of forum for high art. And also just trying to integrate our psychedelic experience into it intentionally.  Derrick Bostrom [Original Meat Puppets drummer]: I think we did the first vocal pass, and that’s when Curt realized his old way of singing wasn’t going to match this new music. So we had to do another pass with the vocals, and it was hard for him, because before, it was just straight Captain Beefheart-style growling. And to actually sing, it wasn’t that he wasn’t able to do it, it was just that he hadn’t been used to it. It took a different strategy, and it took him a while to figure out what it was.


 Curt Kirkwood: The first album [Meat Puppets], I was high when I did that, so I screamed a lot. And then I started chilling out, and going, “I don’t want to scream my whole career.” Metallica came around, and it was like, “God, they do that a lot better anyway.” The vocals have always been what I tried to have stitched stuff together, get some nice harmonies going, and sing it pretty straight – no matter what’s going on. A lot of my favorite bands as a teenager were the Stones, Zeppelin. They had different kinds of music. No limitations stylistically.


 Derrick Bostrom: We weren’t entirely satisfied with Meat Puppets II, in the sense that the start of it was in March, and we didn’t get it mixed until November that fall. It basically languished for at least six months, and by the time it finally came out, in March of 1984, the impact that we had wanted it to have, with our country leanings and whatnot, had been somewhat blunted by the delay. That made us very uncomfortable. We felt that this was our first inkling that how you’re going to manage your label relationship to make sure you get what you want. You can’t count on anybody else but yourself to do what’s best for you. And the way that SST – who were a little weary about putting out this country rock crap on their punk rock label – started to throw a wedge in it.

  Cris Kirkwood:  I remember when Curt painted that picture [that became the cover of Meat Puppets II]. We were still living at my mom’s house. We used to hide in the bathroom and smoke grass. We were in the bathroom getting stoned, and he picked up this little piece of canvas, and real quickly, whipped off this thing. And that’s the cover. It took him about a minute to do that – we used it a few years later as the cover for the record. It’s Curt’s acrylic work, and definitely Van Gogh-inspired painting technique. It was back when you still had vinyl, so you were making this shit in terms of being “an album.”
   One of the cool things that we did was we did a photo session with this guy, Anvil Blockhammer, here in town. We drove around West Phoenix, and we were out in a field, an agricultural thing. It was Derrick’s cool arty idea – that picture that’s on the back, where we’re in silhouette.


 Dave Pirner [Soul Asylum singer/guitarist]:  It was right before their second album came out [the first time Pirner saw the Meat Puppets]. I distinctly remember hanging out with them and watching them play live. Then their second record came out, and it seemed to bring another level of awareness to the band. It surprised the shit out of me, because it was so easy to understand. The music before that was really frantic, and it was really exploring I think what they wanted to do, and they didn’t really know what they wanted to do. The second record seemed sort of like, “This is what we can do, without even really thinking about it.”


 Flea [Red Hot Chili Peppers bassist]: Meat Puppets II, man, it’s the warmest, coolest fucking record.


 Lou Barlow [Dinosaur Jr. bassist, Sebadoh singer/guitarist]:  When they became more of “a country band,” the way that they switched between the really crazy material and the county-esque material was really almost like a blueprint for Dinosaur Jr. and Sebadoh. Mike Watt told me that when D. Boon first heard Dinosaur Jr., he thought we were “the east coast Meat Puppets.”


 Peter Buck [R.E.M. guitarist]:  I got Meat Puppets II before I ever saw them. But I saw them on that tour. I traveled so much in those days – I know I saw them in Athens a couple of times. I think the first time might have been in New York. The whole post-punk thing in America was happening. It was blossoming everywhere. Everywhere you went, there was some new, different kind of band, that you’d think, “That’s interesting.” When I heard the Meat Puppets, it was like, “I can get some of their influences – there’s a little Grateful Dead in there, maybe a little Neil Young.” But there was interplay between the instruments that was just insane. It sounded like when you think of when you look at a magician, and go, “That guy spent a huge amount of time just sitting in his bedroom all by himself, learning to do that.” The Kirkwood brothers’ interlocking parts were so weirdly intense. I remember going, “This is more like jazz than anything, in its own weird way.”  Kim Thayil [Soundgarden guitarist]:  1984 comes along. That year, you had My War by Black Flag, Zen Arcade by Hüsker Dü, Double Nickels on the Dime by the Minutemen, Meat Puppets II, Surviving You, Always by Saccharine Trust, and the first Saint Vitus album [Saint Vitus]. That was the golden age of SST Records. I remember anticipating the Meat Puppets II release, because they’d become probably my favorite band of that time. I just had to hear what they were going to do next. Soundgarden formed in September of 1984. So I was tripping out to Meat Puppets II before Soundgarden formed. But when Soundgarden formed, it got played a lot. I remember playing it for Hiro [Yamamoto, original Soundgarden bassist] and Chris [Cornell, Soundgarden’s then-drummer, later singer] all the time.

 The first song I heard off of Meat Puppets II was “I’m A Mindless Idiot,” which is an instrumental. I heard it on the radio, I think it was KCMU. My jaw dropped, because it wasn’t fast and it wasn’t punk rock and hardcore. It was like the trippy thing I heard on side two of the first Meat Puppets album. They expanded upon it, and it sounded great. To me, the production sounded great. And it was an instrumental, which tripped me out even more. I was blown away.


 Here’s the weird thing – I still don’t have Meat Puppets II on vinyl, because a good friend of mine in college gave me a homemade cassette. On one side is Blue Cheer – it had a bunch of stuff off Outsideinside and Vincebus Eruptum. And the other side of the cassette had Meat Puppets II. That thing, I would just play it and watch the sun rise, I would play it and watch the sun set. I’d come home from college from classes – I’d go by a local convenience store and buy a couple Buckhorn Beers, a pack of cigarettes, and some string cheese, and go and sit in my bedroom. My bedroom was a sort of walk-in closet and the window faced west. So I laid there eating string cheese and drinking my Buckhorn Beer, and I’d put on Meat Puppets II and watch the sun go down. I had to do that all the time. It tripped me out, and it was the coolest feeling – being mildly intoxicated  And Meat Puppets II was great if I smoked pot, which I rarely did, but on the occasion I did, I was like, “I’ve got to listen to the Meat Puppets!” And on the occasion of doing MDMA or anything else that may cross the path of a 22-year-old musician who is a student. That album tripped me out – it seemed to be heavy and wild in these other ways. Psychologically and emotionally. I loved it. It had these elements that I found in the Velvet Underground, the MC5. And that Meat Puppets’ second album became not only my favorite Meat Puppets album, but perhaps one of my favorite albums of all time.


 From the Book:  Too High to Die: Meet the Meat Puppets by Greg Prato


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13/7/2019 10:37 pm  #1948


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Just a quick thank you to everyone who's looked in on this thread, I've just noticed it's had over 200,000 views, considering' when we started out we were lucky to get 10, and half of that was probably me.


So once again a big thank you, and I hope you're all enjoying it, or at least some bits.  


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14/7/2019 9:54 pm  #1949


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Album 531.
Culture Club................................Colour By Numbers (1983)












No' gonna spend a great deal of time on this one, decidedly 80s and for me doesn't stand the test of time very well, to be fair didn't mind most of the singles, and yes I thought it was a female the first time I saw it (Do You Really Want To Hurt Me)

As the years went by I went off Boy George, I thought he just got too sour and bitchy but not in the camp funny kinda way, almost bitter in fact. But back to the album, nothing really stands out for me, maybe at the time "Karma Chameleon" would have been decent enough but "It's a Miracle" and "Victims" sound pretty voosh these days, "Church Of The Poisoned Mind" is quite passable, but apart from that pretty uninspiring to say the least.



This album wont be going into my collection.





Bits & Bobs;


Boy George got to know Malcolm McLaren, who was managing the group Bow Wow Wow. McLaren cooked up a plan to have George join the band, either as a replacement for their lead singer Annabella Lwin or as an additional singer. He was going to perform as Lieutenant Lush. The plan fell through, and George ended up forming his own band, which became Culture Club.


 
The band wrote their songs together and shared the royalties, with Boy George writing the lyrics. Jon Moss handled many of the business affairs, and Boy George did most of the publicity. Since George was so prominent as the face of the group, it sometimes gave the impression that he was the leader, but the band shared equally in decisions and songwriting.


 
Culture Club was one of the first British bands to make a huge impact in America thanks to MTV. The channel launched in 1981, and in 1982 they put "Do You Really Want To Hurt Me?" in heavy rotation, which was their first single in the States and introduced America to the very unusual Boy George. They toured America in 1983 and scored two more hits from the album. Their next album included the #1 "Karma Chameleon," and they ended up with 10 Top-40 hits in the United States.


 
Boy George was known for his very feminine look and soft singing voice, although his speaking voice is surprisingly gruff. He dressed in women's clothes and wore makeup in his school days, and accentuated the look to publicize the band. Considering the Glam and Punk looks that were popular just a few years earlier in England, it wasn't so shocking in his home country, but in America it got a lot of attention, with many viewers wondering about his true gender.


 
They were the first British band since The Beatles to score three Top 10 US hits from their debut album.


 
The band first got together when Boy George joined Jon Moss and Mikey Craig in a group called In Praise of Lemmings. George made them change the name.


 
Boy George said in 1983: "I think people think of me as very feminine, but I'm very masculine. I can throw a good punch. I'm taller and bigger than people expect me to be; I'm sure they expect a little fairy wearing dandelions."


 
George got kicked out of school when he was 15. He worked as a model and a makeup artist before starting his music career.


 
In 1983, Boy George came in second place in both the male and female "best dressed" categories in New Musical Express reader's poll.


 
Boy George once had a job as a bagger in his local supermarket. The gig didn't work out, as the future Culture Club singer was fired - for wearing the bags.


 
Their producer, Steve Levine, had a lot to do with their success. Levine was a studio wizard who introduced them to the latest innovations, including the Linn LM-1 drum machine, which he combined with Jon Moss' live drums to create distinctive rhythms. Boy George credits this forward-leaning sound for getting them a record deal. "The general consensus was that I was a drag queen, not palatable for the pop market," he told Music Week. "Steve saw through that, he saw a much bigger picture."


Culture Club, ‘Colour By Numbers’
When told that Culture Club's Colour By Numbers had been selected as one of the Top 100 albums of the decade, Boy George said, with typical playfulness, "As well it should be."


 The band's second LP, Colour by Numbers, was released in the fall of 1983 while a second British Invasion was dominating the American pop charts. But George insists the album's surprisingly mature pop polish wasn't motivated by competition with his peers.


 "We used to call Duran Duran 'bottles of milk,' they were so white bread," George said. "We certainly weren't competing with Spandau Ballet. We wanted to be more like the older people we admired."


 Colour by Numbers does display a respect for pop history. When George debuted the ballad "That's the Way (I'm Only Trying to Help You)" at a sound check one day, he said, "Everyone said, 'Oh, it's really like Elton John.'" After the album was released, George told a reporter that "It's a Miracle" borrowed from the melody of a Gilbert O'Sullivan song. And "Church of the Poison Mind" is nearly identical to Stevie Wonder's "Uptight."


 But the familiarity of the group's songs bothered at least one person. "The guy who wrote 'Handy Man' [Jimmy Jones] tried to sue us over 'Karma Chameleon,'" George said. "I might have heard it once, but it certainly wasn't something I sat down and said, 'Yeah, I want to copy this.' We gave him ten pence and an apple."


 Culture Club made its second album with the same producer (Steve Levine) and at the same studio (Red Bus Studios, in London) it had used for its debut. George attributes the band's improvement from the tropical pop of Kissing to Be Clever to the input of outside musicians, notably keyboardist Phil Pickett, who co-wrote two songs with the band, and singer Helen Terry, who electrifies several tracks.


 Within months of the release of Colour by Numbers, George's plucked brow was on the cover of Newsweek, followed by a Tonight Show bitch-off with Joan Rivers, a Boy George doll and his infamous acceptance speech at the Grammys, when George thanked the audience for "knowing a good drag queen when you see one."


 George said he last listened to Colour by Numbers three years ago, when he was trying to kick his heroin addiction. "I thought some of the singing was out of tune," he said with a giggle. "It's definitely the best Culture Club album, but I don't know if it's my best record." During three recent concerts in Australia, the only song from Colour he performed was "Victims," the album-closing ballad. Which doesn't mean he's not proud of the band he may — or may not — be re-forming.


 "We had a good formula, and other groups obviously picked up on that," he said. "I think Wham! definitely picked up on it in the beginning. I've read things where people have said the songs were awful and the only important thing was the way I looked. Colour by Numbers definitely does have a place. Above who or below who, I'm not sure."



"Karma Chameleon"


 
Boy George explained, "The song is about the terrible fear of alienation that people have, the fear of standing up for one thing. It's about trying to suck up to everybody. Basically, if you aren't true, if you don't act like you feel, then you get Karma-justice, that's nature's way of paying you back."


 
Phil Pickett, the former keyboardist of the '70s UK band Sailor, helped write this song. He contributed keyboards and backing vocals to Culture Club and did some songwriting with the group.


 
Songwriting in Culture Club was mostly a group effort, with Boy George writing the lyrics. Many of his words were inspired by his relationship with the group's drummer, Jon Moss, with whom he had an affair during the height of the group's fame. George admitted that their first single "Do You Really Want To Hurt Me" was about Moss, and their difficult lover-professional relationship was the inspiration for the line, "You're my lover, not my rival" in "Karma Chameleon." The relationship was hidden to the public and Jon never admitted it during the '80s, so in a way Boy George was communicating with him through their songs.


 
This was Culture Club's biggest hit in the UK, where 1,405,000 copies were sold, making it the biggest-selling single of 1983. It also won the 1984 Brit Award for Best Single.


 Boy George was a very colorful character, and a fixture on MTV in the early '80s before American artists began regularly making videos. The video for "Karma Chameleon" was directed by Peter Sinclair and shot on a steamboat. It's a period piece, set in Mississippi, 1870, although it was actually filmed on the River Thames in England. George is an anachronism in the video, with fingerless gloves and multicolored hair that would not have appeared in Mississippi at that time.



Judd Lander played the harmonica on this track, which is up front in the mix. Lander, who also played harp on "Church of the Poison Mind," joined the group on many of their performances. Lander, a Liverpool, England native, studied the instrument under Sonny Boy Williamson and became a top session player in London.


 
Culture Club were sued for plagiarism in this song by the writers of "Handy Man," a 1960 hit for Jimmy Jones. Boy George admitted, "I might have heard it once, but it was certainly not something I sat down and copied. We gave them ten pence and an apple."


 
The video is one of the few in which the band appears but doesn't play any instruments. The only instrument to show up is a harmonica, which is played by a black man on the river. The real harmonica player, Judd Lander, is white, but directors seem enamored with the image of black players - Lander's part was also mimed by a black actor in the Robbie Nevil video for "Wots It To Ya?"


 
In Canada this topped their charts for seven weeks and was the first single by a group to sell a million copies.


 
Culture Club performed this song in the 1986 episode of The A-Team, "Cowboy George." In the episode, a series of misadventures leads to the band playing a country bar to a bunch of cowboys. They win over the crowd, along with the A-Team (played by George Peppard, Mr. T, Dirk Benedict and Dwight Schultz), who bob along to the tune.


 
This song has been used in a number of movies and TV series. Among them:



Movies-
Electric Dreams (1984)
The Chain (1984)
Texasville (1990)
Romy and Michele's High School Reunion (1997)
Whipped (2000)
Rock Star (2001)
In America (2002)
Scary Movie 4 (2006)
Brooklyn Rules (2007)
Madea's Witness Protection (2012)
The Call (2013)
Pride (2014)
Sex Tape (2014)
The Bad Batch (2016)



TV-
3rd Rock from the Sun ("Frankie Goes to Rutherford" - 2000)
The King of Queens ("Bun Dummy" - 2002)
Cold Case ("Greed" - 2004)
Dexter ("Blinded by the Light" - 2009)
The Office ("Here Comes Treble" - 2012)
Life in Pieces (Pilot - 2015)



 Boy George’s Nightmare A special report on the fallen pop idol’s bout with his drug addiction


 BOY GEORGE, THE FLAMBOYANT pop star who’d seduced the world with his sweet soul music, looked a mess. Standing in a backstage trailer at an Artists Against Apartheid rock concert held on Clapham Common in London on June 29th, the twenty-five-year-old singer was desperately trying to do something about his makeup.


 Since his last public performance, in the summer of 1985, Boy George’s appearance had changed dramatically – so dramatically that the bouncers backstage at the antiapartheid concert hadn’t recognized him at first and had refused him entrance. Once slightly plump, George was now thin and emaciated. His long hair had been cut short and dyed blond and was concealed by a broad-brimmed knit hat. His blue-green eyes, once so full of life, were concealed by round, dark granny glasses. His clothes, which he’d always arranged with great care, appeared thrown on at random, and some rather strange expressions were printed on his coat: one read, FUCK ME STUPID, another said simply, SUCK MY NOB. Across the back of his shoulders was a third slogan: HEROIN FREE ZONE. And now, to make matters worse, the scorching ninety-degree heat was causing George’s makeup to run.  Boy George’s performance at Clapham Common was to be a solo outing; the other members of Culture Club apparently realized that this might not be the best moment to join their leader onstage. They already knew that over the last six months, George had been using heroin. According to one of the singer’s brothers, twenty-one-year-old David O’Dowd, and one of his best friends, twenty-year-old “Fat Tony” Marnoch, George was now doing as much as two grams of heroin a day.


 When George finally took the stage, he looked even worse than he had in the trailer. A makeup artist had told him that because of the heat, there was nothing she could do, so he had wiped his face with a towel and then applied a facial. To the crowd, though, it looked as if George had splashed water on his face and then dipped it in a bowl of flour. “It was unbelievable what people were saying as he went onstage,” one of George’s business associates said later. “People were going, ‘Look at him, he’s stoned. He looks ridiculous. What an imbecile.’ ”  The audience responded to George’s brief set – which included a gripping version of “Black Money” and two other songs – by hurling nearly two dozen bottles and cans at him. Before leaving the stage, George bid the crowd a sarcastic goodbye from “your favorite drug addict.”


 Unfortunately, there was more to it than his sarcasm would suggest. Boy George, the world-renowned pop star, was about to become a world-famous junkie.



 SHOCK. HOW ELSE COULD ONE RESPOND TO THE REVELATION that Boy George was now addicted to heroin? This was not some openly decadent hedonist like Keith Richards, who had based his public image on being a bad boy of rock. Quite the opposite. Boy George was the harmless, lovable windup doll of pop, a cartoonlike fantasy figure who could sing like a white Smokey Robinson and trade glib one-liners with Joan Rivers and Johnny Carson. He always had time to sign autographs for his fans and to answer their letters. He once said he preferred a cup of tea to sex. And he was outspoken in his disgust with drug use of any kind. He considered drugs to be stupid and a sign of weakness. He was the pop star whom everyone from your grandmother to your little sister could like.


 In the early days of Culture Club, Boy George – whose real name is George O’Dowd – didn’t smoke or use drugs; for him to drink more than one beer was unusual. He laid down the law about drugs and Culture Club: the two were simply not compatible. During a 1984 tour of Japan, bassist Mikey Craig was worried as he smoked some hash with a journalist, afraid that George might hear them giggling and realize they were breaking the band’s rules.


 In many ways, George’s story is sadly familiar. A young boy from a working-class English family becomes, at the age of twenty-two, an international superstar. Overnight, he’s rich and famous. The next three years are an accelerating whirlwind of activity, as more than 10 million records are sold around the world.  Then things begin to go wrong. In George’s case, the trouble began in late 1984, after the release of Culture Club’s third album, the mediocre Waking Up with the House on Fire. The public, seduced by new stars like Madonna and Wham!, gave the LP a cool reception. Culture Club’s first two albums had yielded seven Top Ten hits in the U.S., but just one song from me third LP made it into the Top Twenty. And despite an elaborate million-dollar stage production, the group’s world tour was also a disappointment.


 When the tour was over, the members of Culture Club realized it was time for a long vacation. Manager Tony Gordon moved to Spain, spending a year there as a tax exile. Guitarist Roy Hay spent time in well, while Mikey Craig sojourned in France. Only drummer Jon Moss – George’s longtime friend and lover – remained in London.

 But George and Jon were drifting apart, a situation only exacerbated when George took up residence in New York with Marilyn, a transvestite and would-be pop star who had changed his name from Peter Robinson. And Boy George was also becoming bored with Boy George. For three years, he had lived and breathed Culture Club. His every waking hour had been spent working. He designed his clothes, his record covers, his image. He co-wrote the songs and hung out in the studio through-out the recording of the first two albums. He did hundreds of interviews, as well as numerous photo sessions and TV appearances. He starred in Culture Club videos and toured the world. It had all taken its toll.


 “He became his own worst enemy”, said Steve Levine, 28, the producer of Culture Club’s first three albums. “At that time George’s mouth was extremely big. I remember watching him on Johnny Carson, the second time he was on, and I just thought, ‘The vibe’s gone.’ He wasn’t interesting anymore.”


 “Basically, he was Boy George for three years,” said Fat Tony. “Now he just wanted to have a good time and do what everyone else was doing. It was like ‘Forget the bloke [Jon Moss], forget everything.’ ”  Separated from both his family, who were all living in England, and his band, Boy George became, as one acquaintance put it, a “party boy.” “Although it’s well known that George is homosexual, he wasn’t camp,” said Levine. “He wasn’t a queen. But he began to hang around with a very camp set of people, who are also known for taking drugs. People who live life to excess. George is very much a sponge; he absorbs people’s personalities. So when he gets in with wrong crowds – i.e., people who take drugs – then he just would do that. That was the beginning of the end in terms of the downward slide.”


 THE FIRST TIME GEORGE’S FRIENDS HEARD ABOUT THE pop star’s drug use was in late June of 1985, when Philip Sallon – a flashy, staunchly antidrug friend of George’s who runs London’s trendy Mud Club – returned from a week in New York. Sallon had gone there to help George celebrate his twenty-fourth birthday. A party was held at Area, a popular New York nightspot, and George and his entourage greeted people from a bed set up in the club.


 “George is really getting into drugs in New York,” a disturbed Sallon told his friends upon his return to London. In fact, George was snorting cocaine, doing ecstasy and drinking. He was also smoking cigarettes and marijuana.


 According to David O’Dowd, Marilyn had helped introduce George to drugs during a visit to Jamaica in 1982, but the singer didn’t go beyond a bit of curious experimentation at that point. George’s friends claim that Marilyn – who could not be contacted for this story – had used drugs for many years. “Marilyn is, well, he’s just not very human,” said Jane, a sixteen-year-old friend of George’s who lived with the singer in his New York co-op at the end of last year. (She asked that her surname not be revealed.) “If he wants something from you, he’ll just charm it out of you. He goes, ‘Oh, come on, we’re best friends, and it’s such fun. Come on, let’s go buy some drugs.’ He’s so charming you think that you just want to be loved by him, because he acts like he’s got so much to give, and that’s why I believe that he did that to George.”  Living in Manhattan – far from the more stabilizing influence of his band mates, family, manager and record company – didn’t help George either. Throughout the summer, he could be found hanging out at clubs like Area and the Palladium and at an after-hours place called Paradise Garage.


 For a time, George busied himself with trying to get Marilyn a record deal, producing a version of the old Norman Greenbaum hit “Spirit in the Sky” for him. He flew to London to attend Live Aid, though he didn’t perform. As preparations for Culture Club’s fourth album got under way, George was bouncing back and forth between London and New York. In September, Fat Tony saw George taking “the odd toke” of pot at a London photo session. Later that month, back in Manhattan, a journalist was in one of the stalls in the bathroom at Area when George and Marilyn entered an adjoining stall; according to the writer, they “were certainly snorting something or other.”


 In October, Culture Club was in Montreux, Switzerland, recording most of its fourth album, the appropriately tided From Luxury to Heartache. David O’Dowd claims his brother was using cocaine during the recording sessions, but Arif Mardin, the album’s producer, said he was unaware of any drug use. Mardin, however, did admit that George flew back to London a couple of times and was not always around when it was time for him to record his vocals. “We all assumed it was a lot of partying,” said Mardin. “Because when he was back [from London], it was business as usual. We are used to working with a lot of prima donnas, so if a man is late, we say, ‘Fine, we’ll do the guitar first’ This is not a military operation.”


 When his work on the album was done, George returned to New York and began to party with a vengeance. From mid-November through late December, George and a group of his friends – including Marilyn, Fat Tony and Jane – were living in his two-bedroom co-op, just down the hall from the co-op owned by Duran Duran bassist John Taylor, on Manhattan’s Upper West Side.  Marilyn had taken over one of the bedrooms, covering it, as Jane put it, “from floor to ceiling in gay porno magazines.” George occupied the other bedroom, sharing it with a string of gay lovers. The rest crashed on couches in the living room. “George has a double bed, and one night we had five of us in the double bed,” said Jane. “It was really silly. We were pretending to be animals and things.”


 At the time, the apartment was painted in pastels – pale peach and pink – and photo-realist paintings of Marilyn Monroe, Elvis and James Dean, as well as an immense collage of Madonna, decorated the walls. There was a Jacuzzi in George’s marble bathroom and, of course, video equipment and a stereo in the enormous living room. A box of marijuana sat on the coffee table. “There were people coming around and selling grass all the time,” said Jane. “I saw a lot of drugs.”


 “You know, George never wants to be left out, really,” said Fat Tony. “If everyone else was taking drugs, he’d sort of have to take them. When you come down to it, everyone had their finger in the pie – they got into drugs. Everyone’s been a very bad influence, I think. No one is to actually blame. The only person to blame is George, but everyone lent a helping hand.”


 By November, George had graduated from cocaine to heroin, which he was using on a fairly regular basis. On one occasion, he acquired some “really synthetic smack,” according to Jane, and became violently ill. For several days he was so sick he couldn’t leave his bed. Once he recovered, though, he started smoking and snorting the drug. He apparently never used a needle. “He’s never injected, ever,” said Fat Tony. “When someone thinks of a junkie, they always think straight away of a syringe. That’s got nothing to do with it. Snort it, burn it, whatever, it’s all the same thing. I don’t think he understood whatsoever how heavy a sort of a hold it would get on him. At that point he thought he could stop it at any time.”  In reality, things were zooming out of control. George and his friends would sleep all day, often rising at four or five in the afternoon for a night of parrying. One night, a soused John Taylor wandered into George’s living room and proceeded to have a battle of the bands with the Culture Club singer. George played a new Culture Club song, then Taylor played something of his own; George popped a video into the VCR, then Taylor retaliated with a clip of his own. “They were having this real ego fight,” recalled Fat Tony. “It was like ‘Yeah, listen to this track.’ ‘No, listen to mine.’ This was going on all night . . .”


 The two pop stars’ fun and games came to a sudden halt when Marilyn sneaked behind the TV and slipped an explicit gay porn video into the VCR. “George went bright red and started screaming at Marilyn,” said Jane. “And when John Taylor left, George just really got mad at Marilyn, saying, ‘You’ve embarrassed me in front of John Taylor.’ “


 One night George went to dine at Trader Vic’s, the posh restaurant located in the Plaza Hotel. “He nodded off,” said Fat Tony. “I went to the toilet, and when I came out, this woman said, ‘Oh, I just saw Boy George falling asleep in his snowball’ – they do this coconut-ice-cream thing that they call a snowball. When I got back to the table, he was sort of slouched. There were different people nodding off. I just kept kicking everyone: ‘Wake up, wake up.’ I’d wake him up and he’d scream, ‘I’m not asleep, shut up.’ It was funny.”


 George and his friends would often go out on shopping binges: once he and Fat Tony bought sixty-eight pairs of Calvin Klein underpants and about forty undershirts; another time, George spent around $1000 on a Yohji Yamomato designer suit for a casual acquaintance. In the early morning hours, after the nightly forays into club land, George and the gang would stop at a twenty-four-hour supermarket and load up on sweets, spending $300 without blinking an eye. Tubs of Haagen-Dazs ice cream filled the co-op’s freezer.  The drugs were now openly affecting George’s personality. Out on the street, the once-gracious pop star had turned ugly. “He used to be so sweet,” said Jane. “Now he would just be so rude. These poor girls would go, ‘Hey, are you Boy George?’ and he’d just go, ‘Oh, piss off, piss off.’ “


 In late December, George returned to London, where he still maintained two houses. On Boxing Day, the day after Christmas, he held a party at his Hampstead home. For a while, he was in good spirits. Then one of his friends arrived with a present: some smack. The drug caused George’s mood to turn foul. “Me and Tony and Marilyn just left and went out,” said Jane. Later that evening, they ran into George at a London club, where, according to Jane, things erupted into a screaming match. “Tony stood up to him and told him he was stupid. George said, ‘I’m never talking to any of you again. You just left me and didn’t say goodbye.’ “


 The following month, George and the rest of Culture Club went to Los Angeles for three weeks to film an episode of The A-Team. With the support of the band, George stopped using heroin for the duration of the project; David O’Dowd says a doctor prescribed Valium to help George deal with his problems. But as soon as the filming was completed, George joined Marilyn in New York, and by the time he had returned to London, twelve days later, he was using smack again. Shortly thereafter, George and Marilyn – whose relationship was always stormy – had a falling out, and George stopped seeing him. “George was going in and out of the stage where he hated the fact of what he was doing,” said David O’Dowd. “He was saying how degraded he felt. But every time he cried for help – and he did – someone gave him some more before the family or anyone who cared about him got there.”


 In April, George traveled to Jamaica for a two-week vacation. “He was very sick, he was looking ill and asking for help,” said David. “He knew he didn’t want to be on it [heroin], but he was on it.”  Upon his return to London, George continued to sink deeper and deeper into drug addiction. At times, he was spending an estimated 500 pounds ($750) a day on drugs, food and gifts for himself and those who were keeping him company. “I remember he used to get really frightening,” said Jane. “He used to have this laugh, this really evil cackle that would really frighten the hell out of me He used to think he was being really nice to someone, and then you’d suddenly notice this really evil cackle. He was just becoming totally twisted.”



 FOR MONTHS, JOHN BLAKE, THE POP-MUSIC GOSSIP columnist for the Daily Mirror, a British tabloid, had been hearing rumors about Boy George’s drug problems. Sometime after the first of the year, Blake, in an effort to get the story, apparently put out a contract of sorts on Boy George. Fat Tony said he was approached by one of Blake’s assistants, who offered him 60,000 pounds ($90,000) for an airtight story confirming George’s habit. Blake denied he was willing to pay that price, but he did admit that such an explosive story is worth a great deal on Fleet Street. Soon, all of England’s sensationalist tabloids – any one of which makes the New York Post seem intelligent, the National Enquirer appear levelheaded and reasonable – reportedly had their checkbooks open, offering similar rewards to any of George’s friends who would talk.


 Finally David Levine – the brother of producer Steve Levine – took the bait. “I’m the one person in the world who can be blamed for all this,” said the twenty-six-year-old photographer, ” ’cause I went first.” Levine’s reasons for speaking out remain unclear. In one interview with ROLLING STONE, Levine – who had done numerous photo sessions with George and the band over the years – seemed extremely bitter about what he considered lack of proper compensation for his work. He later said, however, that his sole motivation was concern for Boy George.  According to a source at the Daily Mirror, the newspaper paid Levine about 14,000 pounds ($21,000) for his story. Working with Daily Mirror reporters, Levine set about gathering the evidence needed to buttress his first-person observations about George’s drug use. At one point, he called his brother and pumped him for information concerning George. “It was in June,” Steve Levine said, “just after my birthday, and my brother phoned me up and said, ‘Oh, I’m really sorry I missed your birthday,’ ” Steve Levine recalled. “He said, ‘I booked this photo session with George the other day, and it was really bad because he was untogether. He was a day late for the session, and there were drugs there. What do you know?’ I said, ‘I don’t really know anything,’ ’cause I hadn’t seen George for ages. It was like a very casual conversation. . . . That was it.”


 The next morning, two reporters from the Daily Mirror showed up at Steve Levine’s London recording studio and started asking about Boy George. Levine said he didn’t know anything. “We have reason to believe that you do know,” Levine recalled one of the reporters saying. “You spoke to your brother yesterday, and we tape-recorded the conversation.” David Levine denies tape-recording his brother.


 As it was originally written, David Levine’s expose revealed Boy George’s heroin problem. Blake claims he spoke with George shortly before the story was to run. “George came on the phone screaming,” Blake said. “He was screaming, ‘Anyway I don’t care. I’m fab, I’m happy, and I get fucked every night’ He was funny.”


 But the story that appeared on June 10th, with a three-inch headline proclaiming, DRUGS AND BOY GEORGE, didn’t mention heroin. Instead, the Daily Mirror reported that George turned up late for a photo session with Levine and then borrowed money to buy cocaine. The Mirror‘s attorneys had gotten cold feet at the eleventh hour.  George breathed a sigh of relief; he thought that the worst was over and that his habit wouldn’t be revealed. And he continued to use drugs.


 His family, of course, knew about George’s problem. One brother, Kevin, had even bought drugs for George. “If Kevin was near to George, then at least we [the family] had one foot in the door,” said David O’Dowd. “He was there. If none of us was around, no one could help him. He was more or less an ally. He was there for a reason.”


 George’s mother had another approach to helping George get straight. She would come out to George’s St John’s Wood house and go through her son’s drawers, throwing away any drugs she could find.


 Concerned that George was doing nothing to end his drug addiction, David O’Dowd gave an interview to The Sun, another British tabloid. The story, headlined JUNKIE GEORGE HAS 8 WEEKS TO LIVE, appeared on July 3rd and revealed for the first time that George was addicted to heroin. David hoped the publicity would force George to seek a cure. “I saw my parents on several occasions actually crying their hearts out,” David said. “They couldn’t understand why their son, who used to be a really fun-loving, happy guy, had just dropped to the depths. He had become dependent on it; it wasn’t a giggle anymore. Within a couple of hours of getting out of bed, he would be going mad to get some of this stuff. Seeing the parents like that, I thought, ‘Well, I’ll end it now. He can do one of two things: carry on until he’s dead and everyone starts calling him a rock legend, or for a very short while get hounded and hounded and hounded by the press until he absolutely admits it to himself.


 “George called me the day the story came out,” David added. “He said, ‘You sold me.’ He said some really nasty things like ‘That’s it, I’ll never speak to you again.’ But the thing was, though it was upsetting at the time, I still knew I was talking to a drug addict.”  From there the pace of events picked up considerably. George, sitting for a News at Ten television interview the night the Sun story ran, denied he had a drug problem. The next day, all of the tabloids began running daily front-page stories on the singer’s DRUG AGONY.


 On Tuesday, July 8th, the London police staged raids at five locations around the city, including George’s St John’s Wood house, where they reportedly gained entrance by smashing the front door with a sledgehammer. George was not there – according to David O’Dowd, he was hiding at the apartment of Helen Terry, Culture Club’s former backup singer. The police were able to round up several of George’s associates. Marilyn was released on bail after being charged with possession of heroin; Kevin O’Dowd and three others were ordered held on charges of conspiring to supply George with heroin. Jon Moss, Philip Sallon and Helen Terry were also brought in for questioning, then released.


 On Friday, Richard Branson, the head of Virgin Records, revealed that George had phoned him the previous Sunday and “broke down about the drugs he had been taking.” Branson said that he had taken the singer to see Dr. Meg Patterson, the Scottish surgeon who had previously helped Pete Townshend, Eric Clapton and Keith Richards kick drugs through the use of NeuroElectic Therapy, a technique that involves the use of a black box that stimulates the body with small doses of electricity. “Sadly, he experimented with heroin,” Branson told the British music magazine Melody Maker, “and the problem is you’ve only got to experiment once with that and there is a danger that you can’t stop. It had a negative effect on him, not just physically but mentally, and he realised that he was becoming a fairly negative individual as a result, and completely out of control, which is the effect of that drug.”


 On July 12th, George was arrested at the private nursing home where he was receiving treatment. After more than eight hours of questioning by the police, he was charged with being in possession of an unspecified amount of heroin in the Greater London area on or before July 7th, 1986. He was then released on bail.


 CLOSE TO MIDNIGHT ON SATURDAY, JULY 19TH, ALMOST two weeks after George had begun receiving treatments to kick his habit, he walked into the Wag Club, another trendy London hangout Fat Tony was the night’s DJ, and he sensed that this was a very different George from the man who, on Boxing Day, had screamed, “Fuck, I’m not speaking to you again.”


 Word was already out among George’s friends that the old Boy George was back. He had rung up Steve Levine and arranged to come into the studio to do some recording. “Listening to him on Tuesday, I would say that it’s more than passed and he’s looking forward to working,” said Levine. “That’s the sort of thing that’s better than any doctor’s prescription. I would say the future looks extremely rosy.”


 At the Wag Club, George was all dressed up. His face was perfectly made up, he had a white baseball cap atop his head, and every article of his clothing – his shirt, pants and leg warmers – had BOY inscribed on it. He looked every inch the healthy pop star as he danced to Gwen Guthrie’s “Ain’t Nothin’ Goin’ On but the Rent.” At one point, George wandered over to the DJ booth. “So how are you?” asked Tony.


 “I’m fine,” said Boy George. “I’m doing really, really good.”






 Do you really want to out me?: The trial of Kirk Brandon vs. Boy George 10.27.201412:05 pm



 
The golden rule: Never sue anyone unless you know you are going to win.



 Eighties pop star Kirk Brandon should have considered this when he sued Boy George (aka George O’Dowd) for “malicious falsehood over allegations of homosexuality” contained in the singer’s autobiography Take It Like A Man and his song “Unfinished Business.”
 
 
Brandon is known as the frontman of band Theater of Hate, who had several hit singles in the 1980s most notably “Do You Believe in the Westworld?” Boy George is Boy George, and as everyone knows has achieved global success as a solo artist, DJ and with the band Culture Club notching up a string of number one records. Back in 1980, Brandon and George were members of the Blitz Kids—the young trendsetting New Romantics who were creating a club scene.


 In 1997, Brandon was incensed that George had “outed” him by writing about the couple’s “alleged homosexual relationship in the early 1980s.” (What’s wrong, I wonder, with just saying “relationship”?) Brandon said the “gay allegations” had damaged his career as a musician, claiming he “was terrified of being ridiculed as `some blond peroxided poof’.” A damning quote that tells you all you need to know about Mr. Brandon.
 
The Blitz Kids: Kirk and George, 1980.



 
By 1997, Brandon was married and had a child, his wife Christina said, “It’s every woman’s worst nightmare to be told their partner is gay”.Christina, 28, first read about the alleged affair in the gender-bender’s autobiography, Take It Like A Man, which was published in July, 1995.


And as she skimmed through the book in a bookshop her world fell apart.



“We had only been married a year and I just couldn’t believe what I was reading,” she says. “I knew that Kirk had been friendly with Boy George. I loved hearing about their time together. But, all of a sudden, I was reading about this intimate, sexual relationship they were meant to have had. I felt confused. Betrayed and humiliated. Tears started rolling down my cheeks. Then I felt angry.


“I rushed home to confront Kirk. I wanted the truth. Why he had lied to me? This could so easily have destroyed our marriage.


“But I know Kirk really well and I believe him when he says it’s not true.”

 Yet, Brandon’s litigation was to prove otherwise.
 
 
Brandon and George in the early 1980s.



 
When the case came to trial in April 1997, bucking the trusim that the man who is his own attorney has a fool for a client, Brandon represented himself. He told the court how he had helped Boy George from his first band and that they were good friends, adding:


He would sometimes stay at the singer’s squats—but was away on tour when he is alleged to have had the affair.



Mr Brandon said: “[Boy George’s] career took off and his mind was otherwise occupied. He was totally ambiguous and never confirmed or denied any sexual preference, terrified of rejection and the obscurity which would follow.


“Unbeknown to me, in the midst of his wealth, his obsession for me turned into something bitter, some might call it evil, a grudge. Somewhere in his mind he believed I had dumped him. Perhaps somewhere in his drug problems or whatever, his hatred focused on me. Some years later became a cleverly calculated possibility. As [George] stated himself, his book would be his revenge. He wrote his book and wrote of the relationship he really imagined he had had.”



Mr Brandon said he also believed that the attempt to ‘out’ him which would gain publicity for the book and song was part of a ‘sickening and totally reprehensible strategy.’ 
 
Brandon’s opening gambit made him sound as if he was the man obsessed with Boy George, and bitter at his former lover’s success. He then began to interrogate Boy George asking him if he thought outing people in the public arena was a good idea? A question that implied Brandon himself had been in the closet.



“I don’t think you should be ashamed of what you are,” O’Dowd replied. “I don’t think you should wilfully drag people out of their closets, but our relationship was public knowledge. It was not something you denied at the time, You denied it later on.”



He told Brandon he was being “homophobic” in bringing the court action. “I said in my book that you were very talented and I loved you,” O’Dowd said. “Where is the damage in that? I am much more brutal about myself in the book about myself than anybody else.”


 Avoiding the accusation of “homophobia,” Brandon changed tact accusing George of having “a kind of vendetta” against him:



“Why have you been obsessed with me all your adult life?”



O’Dowd: I am not obsessed with you.



Brandon: You were obsessed and you probably still are. Have you ever thought of leaving me alone?



O’Dowd: I would not say I am obsessed. I would say the obsession would be more on your part if you thought I was insane, why take this action? Why not just shrug and say: ‘He’s mad?’



Brandon: I would say you are a professional liar. 
 
The questioning shifted to the lyrics of Boy George’s song “Unfinished Business” from the album Cheapness and Beauty that George admitted was about Brandon.



He said the lyrics the lyrics included the line “You lie” and “You walk like a jack but are more of a queen”.



He added: “It says that [Brandon] has lied about our relationship and continues to do so. Songs are a way of exorcising feelings.”



Brandon: You get pleasure out of writing vindictive songs.



O’Dowd: Kirk, you were in a band called Theatre of Hate. You weren’t called the Blushing Flowers.



Brandon: Theatre of Hate was an art-house name. 
 
The questioning sounded like the petty tiff of two former lovers rather than a formal cross examination. Any points Brandon thought he had scored were undermined by the appearance of one of Brandon’s former lovers Naimi Ashcroft who suggested the two men had been sexually intimate.



She said that she and Brandon had to hide from O’Dowd in nightclubs: “He did say George was upset and was looking to beat me up.”



Brandon told her: “You are here to fit Mr O’Dowd’s jigsaw. Can’t you just simply forget about me and get on with your own life?”


 Every piece of a jigsaw has its own place and the picture the trial revealed was not one that Brandon particularly wanted to see.
 
 
Brandon admitted sharing a bed with George in a squat in central London in 1980 but denied any sexual activity.




George recalled: “I said, ‘I don’t have a spare bed,’ and he said: ‘I will be safe won’t I?’” Both kept their T-shirts and underwear on as they shared the mattress.



George added: “Kirk pulled hold of me and we started kissing.



“But on the first night, it was mainly hugging, kissing and touching, very affectionate, but no sexual activity.”


 George admitted that in the morning he was unsure if he would see Brandon again in such an intimate way, but he returned with a bag and stayed for several days at the squat. George admitted he was very inexperienced at the time.



“Kirk never said he thought of me as a woman, but outside of the bed I did a very good job of looking feminine,” added george, “We slept together more than 100 times.”



George went on: “We were very close. Kirk was the great love of my life at that time. We were inseparable, holding hands in public and I was walking around in high heel shoes.”


 Eventually the relationship finished and Brandon moved out claiming he needed “space.” George described how he “smashed up” his room and “cried for a while and walked in the rain.”


 The trial lasted seven days at the High Court in London, with Judge Douglas Brown ruling in favor of Boy George, describing him as “an impressive witness.” As he gave his verdict, Kirk Brandon sat staring straight ahead as the Judge said:



“It’s difficult to believe Mr Brandon did not have a physical relationship with Mr O’Dowd.




“Mr Brandon agrees he knew Mr O’Dowd was a homosexual who was sexually interested in him, but went and stayed in his bed without protest, and without asking whether there was an alternative place to sleep.”


 The judge added he did not believe Brandon:



“I am satisfied he has not been truthful about their physical relationship.”


 Brandon was ordered to pay an estimated £250,000 in costs, but said he was unable to do so as he was bankrupt. Outside the High Court, he told reporters he had no regrets in taking Boy George to court:



“It was a matter of honour.”


 The trial wasn’t about “honour” it was about Brandon’s misplaced personal sense of pride and vanity. His actions made him look foolish, petty, and dishonest. Boy George was vindicated, and left the court telling reporters that the verdict was “a great, great day for gay rights.”

 
"The best thing you can do is work on your personality, because we're all gonna get ugly"


Boy George.



"I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of vaginas. They bother me in the way spiders bother some people."


Boy George.


 


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15/7/2019 10:41 am  #1950


Re: 1001 albums you must hear before you die

Album 533.
Run-DMC..............................Run-DMC   (1984)














It has been over three decades since this Hollis trio blew up and paved the way for rap music to follow.
This debut is perhaps the most influential rap album of all time, rap musics sermon on the mount.


Although hip hop had been born in the Bronx,NYC, in the late 70s, Run-DMC steered the genre away from the block-party stylings of The Sugar Hill Gang and Grandmaster Flash to produce a stripped-down, hardcore, rock-influenced sound.


The production values, the themes, and above all, the attitude of this trio set a new paradigm for hip hop. This is the infancy of battle rap, and although Run-DMC drew no gang affiliations, this is also the formative point of the gangsta phenomenon that would change the face of rap again half a decade later.


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