Wato Sassij

Wonder how many fowk'll be back at the shop gettin his name cheenged aff their shirt.

It's in the Sun: just as likely to be made up nonsense as factual.

The headline says he was 'glad' United lost, and the sub headline that it was 'payback' for McKinnon. 

He doesn't say either of those things. 

He does say that Hamilton wanted it more and that he's angry with himself for reacting to Durnan's 'provocation' because he thinks he could have helped United win.

I'd only agree with 50% of that but I don't blame him for saying any of it.

Wato is just another addition to the tannadice freak show of the last 3 years, its amazing how we keep finding these gems

As noted above , he played first leg with those thoughts.

No story here, pish poor journalism and Wato's at that level too.

Trap_6 wrote:

The headline says he was 'glad' United lost, and the sub headline that it was 'payback' for McKinnon. 

He doesn't say either of those things. 

He does say that Hamilton wanted it more and that he's angry with himself for reacting to Durnan's 'provocation' because he thinks he could have helped United win.

I'd only agree with 50% of that but I don't blame him for saying any of it.

He does say he 'can't be sad' we lost.

Fair enough.

But it does equate to wanting us to lose.

Tbh i felt McKinnon threw him under the bus a bit.
 

Rick Dagless wrote:

annanarab wrote:

What potentially added to the situation was Ray actions in abandoning all semblance of Employment Law by virtually sacking on the spot live on TV. If Kuate was to challenge any of this, it could cost United thousands (even although his short term contract was up within a few days) and cast another shadow over United.

Its easy for fans to dismiss Kuate as some kind of useless bampot but I suspect, if it comes to it, a Tribunal may take a different view. 

 
Tribunal? Bit extreme.

His contract wasn't terminated, it was allowed to run out, given that he had less than a week left.

Ray didn't sack him, just early notice that his contract wouldn't be renewed, he would have still been paid to the end of his contract so I'm not sure a tribunal would have too much to say on the matter.

Ray said on TV that he wouldn't play for the club again. Even although Kuate's contract was to expire shortly thereafter, it hadn't at the point Ray made the remark. Before the game there was no clear indication as to whether Kuate would be retained or otherwise and given that he had started the last 7 games and arguably had played well and contributed to a successful winning/unbeaten run, there could likely be an expectation of his contract being extended. In any case Kuate was an employee and Ray shouldn't (a) have said anything at all in public about an employee's status and (b) should have had a discussion with Kuate in the first instance regarding the club's intention to retain him or otherwise. If Ray was unhappy with any aspect of Kuate's behaviour then there should have been a formal disciplinary process to go through. Don't be surprised if Kuate's agent picks up on this - Ray's stupidity could cost United another bob or two.

annanarab wrote:

Rick Dagless wrote:

annanarab wrote:

What potentially added to the situation was Ray actions in abandoning all semblance of Employment Law by virtually sacking on the spot live on TV. If Kuate was to challenge any of this, it could cost United thousands (even although his short term contract was up within a few days) and cast another shadow over United.

Its easy for fans to dismiss Kuate as some kind of useless bampot but I suspect, if it comes to it, a Tribunal may take a different view. 

 
Tribunal? Bit extreme.

His contract wasn't terminated, it was allowed to run out, given that he had less than a week left.

Ray didn't sack him, just early notice that his contract wouldn't be renewed, he would have still been paid to the end of his contract so I'm not sure a tribunal would have too much to say on the matter.

Ray said on TV that he wouldn't play for the club again. Even although Kuate's contract was to expire shortly thereafter, it hadn't at the point Ray made the remark. Before the game there was no clear indication as to whether Kuate would be retained or otherwise and given that he had started the last 7 games and arguably had played well and contributed to a successful winning/unbeaten run, there could likely be an expectation of his contract being extended. In any case Kuate was an employee and Ray shouldn't (a) have said anything at all in public about an employee's status and (b) should have had a discussion with Kuate in the first instance regarding the club's intention to retain him or otherwise. If Ray was unhappy with any aspect of Kuate's behaviour then there should have been a formal disciplinary process to go through. Don't be surprised if Kuate's agent picks up on this - Ray's stupidity could cost United another bob or two.

 
I see what you are saying.

However, while there was no indication publicly as to whether he would be retained or not, privately it might have been a different story, we don't know. Could argue given how poor he was that game that he had been told that his contract wouldn't be extended.

His actions before and after he was subbed may have been considered misconduct or worse which is grounds to terminate  his contract. If I acted the way he did to customers in my job I would expect to be sacked.

The point is I really don't think we need to worry about any tribunals in relation to Kuate

annanarab wrote:

Some might regard his actions as misconduct others might see his actions as a response to being bullied. I would be very surprised if he was told before the Hamilton home game that his contract wasn't being renewed after he was a regular in a team doing well. Players are only finding out now whether they are being offered new contracts so don't consider this to be issue. Im not worried about about the prospects of a tribunal but suspect united just might be. They may also have to deal with Kuates allegation of bullying.

 
Are you sure you're not Twato's agent?

My final contribution.

As I fan I have stood up with others including the club and supported the various anti-bullying campaigns "Show Racism the Red Card", "Say no to Domestic Abuse", etc . Yet here, when there is some evidence of bullying somehow we ignore it and castigate the victim just because he is apparently sh***, a clown of a boy, another addition to the freak show, an effing fud, a cry baby, sassij ???, bitter as f***, non professional or we couldna' care less,    

I'd just hate to think that the reason we didna' go up was because we didn't tackle bullying.

annanarab wrote:

My final contribution.

As I fan I have stood up with others including the club and supported the various anti-bullying campaigns "Show Racism the Red Card", "Say no to Domestic Abuse", etc . Yet here, when there is some evidence of bullying somehow we ignore it and castigate the victim just because he is apparently sh***, a clown of a boy, another addition to the freak show, an effing fud, a cry baby, sassij ???, bitter as f***, non professional or we couldna' care less,    

I'd just hate to think that the reason we didna' go up was because we didn't tackle bullying.

Serious question, what evidence was there of bullying?  Are you referring to Durnan telling the lad to listen and buck up his ideas?  Or was there something else/more?

​Kuate, gave the impression that he had an inflated opinion of who he was and how good he was and maybe the players were trying to make him a bit more grounded and less of an ego whilst trying to improve their game and stop him from blowing their chances of getting promoted.  I wouldn't call that bullying personally as I see it more of a learning curve for a big headed upstart who thought he was almost as good as Messi and who's actions were jeopardising the chance of the team playing in the Scottish Premiership because at that time we were still very much in the running.