Yes

The most recent figures from the UK government's own HMRC site. The UK is importing far more than it exports, and of the regions of the UK, only Scotland exports more than it imports.

HMRC reports that Scotland is the only country of the four which saw exports decreasing, but that doesn't alter the fact that Scotland exports more than it imports. 


https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/RTS/Pages/default.aspx



 

Beharder wrote:

To make a definite yes decision now would put you in the independence at any cost bracket. What are we voting for?
Where will the Brexit negotiations leave Scotland?
Will an independent Scotland try and apply to join Europe
Will we then have to accept the Euro
As 80% of our exports go to RUK what level of tarrifs will we have to pay

I think a bit of thought should be given to a decision of this magnitude.

 
It doesn't in any way put everyone in an independence at any cost category. Although I accept some people are.

For me I value having an NHS, this is on the way out with a Tory govt.
I'm disgusted at the way all the disability cuts etc are being enforced by the Tory govt.
I'm disgusted at the huge level of food bank use which is now needed.
I don't believe in a rich getting richer, poor getting poorer society which the tories are determined to have.
I don't like the downright racism which is becoming more prevalent down south and becoming seen as acceptable.
I don't like the desire to erode workers rights the Tories have.
I don't believe in Trident.
I don't like the politics of bare faced lying which we get from Westminster.
I don't agree with the the UK policy on dozens of things - yes I'd still disagree with some thing a real Scottish govt would do no doubt, but I'mcertain it'd be more in line with my thoughts.
There's more chance of 5m people voting for what's best for those 5m people than 60m people voting and those 5m getting what's best for them.

It's not independence at any cost, it's independence for a fairer future for the Scottish people that's getting my vote.

Beharder wrote:

TheShed wrote:

Beharder wrote:

To make a definite yes decision now would put you in the independence at any cost bracket. What are we voting for?
Where will the Brexit negotiations leave Scotland?
Will an independent Scotland try and apply to join Europe
Will we then have to accept the Euro
As 80% of our exports go to RUK what level of tarrifs will we have to pay

I think a bit of thought should be given to a decision of this magnitude.

 
It doesn't in any way put everyone in an independence at any cost category. Although I accept some people are.

For me I value having an NHS, this is on the way out with a Tory govt.
I'm disgusted at the way all the disability cuts etc are being enforced by the Tory govt.
I'm disgusted at the huge level of food bank use which is now needed.
I don't believe in a rich getting richer, poor getting poorer society which the tories are determined to have.
I don't like the downright racism which is becoming more prevalent down south and becoming seen as acceptable.
I don't like the desire to erode workers rights the Tories have.
I don't believe in Trident.
I don't like the politics of bare faced lying which we get from Westminster.
I don't agree with the the UK policy on dozens of things - yes I'd still disagree with some thing a real Scottish govt would do no doubt, but I'mcertain it'd be more in line with my thoughts.
There's more chance of 5m people voting for what's best for those 5m people than 60m people voting and those 5m getting what's best for them.

It's not independence at any cost, it's independence for a fairer future for the Scottish people that's getting my vote.

 the current governments on either side of the border should not be in anybodys thoughts for the indyref 2. The Conservatives are not everybodys cup of tea but they  will not be in power for ever. Nobody should be looking at the complete incompetence of the SNP either just like the Conservatives they will not be in power for ever.
I dont quite get your argument about smaller countries being more likely to get what they vote for. Whether the population is 5m  50m or 500m roughly 40% of the population will get the government they vote for.
The union has been around for 300yrs when a bankrupt Scotland was bailed out by England its not about party politics.
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I never said smaller countries get what they vote for I said there's more chance of 5m (rough Scotland pop) voting for what's best for 5m than 60m (rough U.K. Pop) voting for what's best for those same 5m.

I'm well aware it's not about party politics, but England as a whole is heading further and further away from my ideals at an alarming rate and I cant see in my lifetime a party anywhere near the direction I'd like getting power.

As I already said it's about getting a fairer future for the Scottish people.  In the last 3/4 years I haven't seen one truthful argument that suggests Scotland as a whole is better off in the U.K..

would the city of Dundee get a better deal in an independent Scotland?  on my regular joints round the country i nearly always get a negative reaction when Dondeh is mentioned . The Scottish government is and always will be dominated by the central belt. Dundee as Scotlands yes city has been ignored by holyrood. Look at the big infastructure projects The Queensferry bridge The m8 missing link The Aberdeen bypass the dualling of the A9 awarding the national sports centre to Edinburgh when Dundee had a great bid we get nothing. Remember Dundee is the unemployment capital not only of Scotland but the whole of the UK. the SNP said they would look at moving some government jobs to Dundee in 2012 so far not one job has been relocated to worse hit area in Scotland.  Even the dreaded Westminster has given Dundee some jobs (DWP).  I dont see the evidence that independence will change anything they hate dundonians.

Great post by The Shed and i echo his sentiments.

We have a population of 5 million roughly.

England's population is 53 million.

We are outnumbered 10 to 1.

Whatever Government England votes in is the Government that rules Scotland whether we like it or not.

This means whether we like it or not there is nothing we can do about...

The Poll Tax
The Bedroom Tax
Crippling Austerity measures
The disabled or unfit in our society getting hammered by cruel cuts
BREXIT
Renewing Trident 
Dragging us to War against our will

Enough's enough.

An Independent Scotland might not be the land of 'Milk and Honey' moving forward but by God it will be good to have a country that lives or dies by the votes+actions of our own countrymen and women.

At the moment we are like a cross between the battered housewife who stays because the husband says he 'won't do it again' and/or the husband who stays because the Wife threatens to take everything and ruin him and he won't see the kids etc etc.

It is time to break-free from this marriage of inequality and subservience.

Lastly,i would like to add.This potential Independence referendum scares me a bit.

If we blow it and vote NO again (a good chance) then THAT'S IT.I won't ever see Independence or another referendum again in my lifetime i don't think.

And The Tories will know that also.And if you think they have flexed muscle since Sep 2014 you ain't seen nothing yet as they know we will be powerless to stop it.

I am not being dramatic when i say i actually fear for the future of our country going forward if we vote NO again.It will be either The Tories for years to come or potentially even a UKIP Government.

That fills me with anxiety and sadness about what kind of country i will be raising my Son in and that's why i will be urging folk to go out and vote YES if/when the day comes of the next vote.And i will be trying my best to talk round previous NO voters with reasoned debate.

That's Edinburgh South Labour Party, home of Scotland's only Westminster MP, declared support for the Independence campaign.

Hopefully the start of a tidal wave.

TheShed wrote:

PatReilly wrote:

That's Edinburgh South Labour Party, home of Scotland's only Westminster MP, declared support for the Independence campaign.

Hopefully the start of a tidal wave.

 
Didn't I read the same MP saying he was dead against?  Awkward

Wonder if he'll do as his constituency party want?

 
Edinburgh 'Southern' Labour are denying- it's either a split or a hoax.

more cyber nats up to the usual nonsense

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PatReilly wrote:

Beharder wrote:

more cyber nats up to the usual nonsense

How do you know this for certain?

There is a Labour for Scottish Independence organisation, I believe. 

But you may be correct, for there are nanny goats on all sides.

I don't know that for a fact Pat. Just a hunch that someone trying to cause upset for the Unionist camp may be from the Nationalist camp.
 

All the bluster that is going on is really irrelevant. This should be all about the big issues. The voters need to know in the event of independence what currency will we use The Euro or the Bank of England controlled pound that is what matters not this she said she said nonsense.

Tek wrote:

Beharder wrote:

All the bluster that is going on is really irrelevant. This should be all about the big issues. The voters need to know in the event of independence what currency will we use The Euro or the Bank of England controlled pound that is what matters not this she said she said nonsense.

Why the bank of England pound? 

Why not the Scottish pound?

 The British currency is controlled by The Bank of England. They set the interest rates for the whole of Britain an independent Scotland would have to accept those rates.
Or are you meaning Scotland sets up its own currency to compete on the markets with the British pound?