Tekel Towers » The SFA's Project Brave

HeggyHandshake · 25/1/2017 11:00 pm

If the SFA go ahead with this, we are royally fuked. Basically they are going to take the Top 8 rated Youth set ups in Scotland, we are now clinging onto 11th behind shit like Hamilton and they would play against each other every week . This would mean our better players would want to play for 1 of the elite 8 as opposed to having to play shite like Elgin and Queen of the South. Told from a coach at United that Clubs are just waiting to pounce. Its a fukin sad and ridiculous state of affairs, considering where our Academy was a couple of years ago.

Tangy · 25/1/2017 11:01 pm

Are we defo out of it or do clubs need to apply? Surely our youth system horses many others?

HeggyHandshake · 25/1/2017 11:03 pm

Clubs need to apply, but every club will apply. Its all to do with facilities, Coaches etc. Apparently we don't have near enough qualified coaches. No surprise that its down to lack of investment.

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Tek · 25/1/2017 11:14 pm

It's a lot of absolute bollocks mate,as is the Development League.

Currently reading Paul Sturrock's autobiography and he reckons playing in the old Reserve League aged 16 against and alongside seasoned professionals like Archie Knox,Walter Smith,Pat Gardner etc was the making of him.

I really don't see how 16-19 year olds playing against each other is really aiding their development hugely.That's what school/youth football is for.By 16/17 you have to be taken to the next level to see if you sink or swim.

We molly-coddle young players too much in this country nowadays.

George Best played (and scored) in a European Cup Final aged 19.Pele played (and scored) in a World Cup Final aged 17.

Obviously these guys were World class talents but if you have real ability then by 16 you should be able to shine against grown men despite being at a physical disadvantage (see Ryan Gauld as possibly a better example closer to home).

Bring back the Reserve League and plsy a mix of experienced fringe men and your best 7-8 kids.Disband the failing (and expensive) Development league set-up.

Even if Utd are to be part of the elite 8 teams i hope we voice our objection to this SFA vanity exercise vociferously.

HeggyHandshake · 25/1/2017 11:22 pm

I agree mate, but this is the way the SFA are gonna go and we are gonna get left behind.

Tangy · 25/1/2017 11:28 pm

I'd guess it's counter productive to getting a lot of good players. If teams outwith the top 8 are getting sloppy seconds, then there's no incentive for other teams to put any money into youth.

Beharder · 25/1/2017 11:36 pm

I dont quite get the logic behind this. If you have the ability you wil thrive in any environment. Are the SFA suggesting that we as a country have missed the next kenny dalglish because we had 16 academies instead of 8 what a lot of utter shite. I agree with TEKs point about putting 16yr olds against adults thats when you see who can handle the game. In many years of watching academy football ive hardly seen a decent tackle its all sterile pish. Get back to S forms and save a fortune. Yet again SFA absolutely fucking clueless.

bowers · 26/1/2017 8:16 am

Is it £800k a year the club has previously claimed to spend on youth development per year?

I wonder how this compares to the other clubs and the difference in facilities etc

HeggyHandshake · 26/1/2017 3:18 pm

Bowers, you know as well as I do that is complete bullshit.

bowers · 26/1/2017 4:15 pm

Course it is.

They have the begging bowl out all the time

PatReilly · 26/1/2017 4:46 pm

http://tekelterrors.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=3384

Some good points made previously on this pish.

PatReilly · 26/1/2017 11:07 pm

Here's direct quotes from that clown Malky Mackay today:

"We need to radically change otherwise, everything will just tick along,"
"The owners need a medium-to-long-term plan otherwise they're going to go out of business,"
"They have to have the short-term gain for this few weeks but what happens in six weeks' time, what happens in a year's time?
"I've met a couple of switched on heads of academy, a couple of switched on chief executives and the owners who actually get the fact that they need to keep their club moving.
"The club needs to exist in five years' time so for it to exist in five years' time some of them are going to have to go down this strategy.
"Six weeks to turn around a business, it can't happen but if there's a business plan in place and you put somebody that you think's good into the job then allow him to do the job. If there's a structure there, everybody knows how it's going.
"This is about everybody, it's not about one person. I don't walk in here with a bag of cash. We've got to make sure that we all come together. Clubs and the Scottish Football Association have got to work together.
"I certainly hope it's going to get it better and I will do everything in my power to make it better."

Anybody understand what he's going on about?

Tek · 26/1/2017 11:19 pm

PatReilly wrote:
Here's direct quotes from that clown Malky Mackay today:

"We need to radically change otherwise, everything will just tick along,"
"The owners need a medium-to-long-term plan otherwise they're going to go out of business,"
"They have to have the short-term gain for this few weeks but what happens in six weeks' time, what happens in a year's time?
"I've met a couple of switched on heads of academy, a couple of switched on chief executives and the owners who actually get the fact that they need to keep their club moving.
"The club needs to exist in five years' time so for it to exist in five years' time some of them are going to have to go down this strategy.
"Six weeks to turn around a business, it can't happen but if there's a business plan in place and you put somebody that you think's good into the job then allow him to do the job. If there's a structure there, everybody knows how it's going.
"This is about everybody, it's not about one person. I don't walk in here with a bag of cash. We've got to make sure that we all come together. Clubs and the Scottish Football Association have got to work together.
"I certainly hope it's going to get it better and I will do everything in my power to make it better."

Anybody understand what he's going on about?

Nope.

Absolute waffle.

kiwiarab · 27/1/2017 7:07 am

ffs what a muppet. Makes Donald Trump look like the voice of reason

annanarab · 27/1/2017 1:32 pm

No idea why he was appointed, unless he's the only one who would take on the job (together with his septic connections). No background in performance management, youth development or successful club management and from the bit I heard, he's got zero initiatives to offer - a waste of SFA money

PatReilly · 27/1/2017 1:37 pm

Here's further quotes attributed to Mackay, this time on the STV site:"There came a point with our Kuala Lumpur team in the Commonwealth Games, it was disaster," he said."And then the government and Sport Scotland came together and funded seven to 12 sports and it took ten years for 50 medals in Glasgow."But you ended up having a generation of athletes who were dedicated and were powerful."We've got to try and do that with the clubs and young players so by the time they get to 16-17 it is inbuilt in them that it is just what you do."

Now, he's hardly comparing like with like. But he is illustrating a point, however vaguely, with " the government and Sport Scotland came together and funded seven to 12 sports" . Was it 7,8,9,10,11 or 12 sports? What happened to all the other sports which weren't funded? I think there are 35 sports in the Commonwealth Games, were 25 or so not funded?

So funds, under Malky's scheme, are likely to go to the clubs who already have most money, and we are going to pay for it? We pay the Government and it funds Sport Scotland

I'll be trying to get an audience with my MSP if this is what is being suggested.

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HeggyHandshake · 27/1/2017 5:02 pm

He wants to concentrate on the Elite 8 Academy's.

Of which we aren't one.

Wether it's right or wrong this is very, very bad news for our Club.

PatReilly · 27/1/2017 5:59 pm

HeggyHandshake wrote:
He wants to concentrate on the Elite 8 Academy's.

Of which we aren't one.

Wether it's right or wrong this is very, very bad news for our Club.

It's all about politics, HH, and we aren't a favoured face at the SFA. We'll be in the second group of eight, with little external funding, and better players will be encouraged away from us. Yet we'll be paying for United's structure to become worse, via our taxes.

Clubs which have avoided paying tax over the years will be rewarded.

HeggyHandshake · 27/1/2017 7:14 pm

It's all about ratings and we are rated below shite like Hamilton and St Mirren because we haven't got enough qualified coaches. Not a thing being done about it either.Although king of spin said that Thompson would do everything he can to make sure we are in the Elite 8. He has actually done fuk all.

PatReilly · 27/1/2017 8:31 pm

HeggyHandshake wrote:
It's all about ratings and we are rated below shite like Hamilton and St Mirren because we haven't got enough qualified coaches. Not a thing being done about it either.Although king of spin said that Thompson would do everything he can to make sure we are in the Elite 8. He has actually done fuk all.

If we were in the Elite 8, I'd still think this a shit project.

The ratings you mention, can you give me a link to them?

SGMilne · 28/1/2017 9:57 am

The frustrating thing about this is that Malky Mackay has said that it's based on a points system, which includes if players play from their academies actually play for their first team. That of course, is the major thing to address if you want to produce better players, and should be the main factor to consider if it's going to work.

So on that basis, clubs like Hamilton, Falkirk and Motherwell - even if they aren't fashionable - should be top of the list, and we should very much be in the top 8. The Old Firm shouldn't be (though they'll use Kieran Tierney as an example of why Celtic should) and neither should Aberdeen, who I think have given one u21 player a game for about 4 minutes all season.

But you can bet your bottom dollar that they were the first 3 names on the list.

HeggyHandshake · 28/1/2017 11:37 am

PatReilly wrote:
HeggyHandshake wrote:
It's all about ratings and we are rated below shite like Hamilton and St Mirren because we haven't got enough qualified coaches. Not a thing being done about it either.Although king of spin said that Thompson would do everything he can to make sure we are in the Elite 8. He has actually done fuk all.

If we were in the Elite 8, I'd still think this a shit project.

The ratings you mention, can you give me a link to them?

Don't have a link to the ratings, it was someone at United that told me this.

Tangy · 28/1/2017 11:59 am

HeggyHandshake wrote:
PatReilly wrote:
HeggyHandshake wrote:
It's all about ratings and we are rated below shite like Hamilton and St Mirren because we haven't got enough qualified coaches. Not a thing being done about it either.Although king of spin said that Thompson would do everything he can to make sure we are in the Elite 8. He has actually done fuk all.

If we were in the Elite 8, I'd still think this a shit project.

The ratings you mention, can you give me a link to them?
Don't have a link to the ratings, it was someone at United that told me this.

Loose lips sink ships! Wish the club were a bit more professional in keeping club details to themselves. Turns out nothing is a secret at our club

HeggyHandshake · 28/1/2017 9:55 pm

Why would you want that to be kept a secret??

Arabnophobia · 28/1/2017 10:20 pm

Not a leak Tangy. This is what the plan is bud. Oot there since day one.

Very bad plan for us obviously.

Makes you wonder.

How the fuck could anyone trying to better Scottish fitba think shutting out a team with one of the best records in developing young talent is a good formula.
Too many folk in power that have a grudge against DUFC.

Zombie bastards.