lifesanocean wrote:

https://stuartreviewsstuff.wordpress.com/2016/08/24/eleven-questions-dundee-united-fans-should-ask-themselves/

Well thought out and hits the nail on the head. People need to chill the fuck out. Meltdowns after we lose a game are no use. I must say though that Jim Spence could do with thinking before he posts on Twitter as well.

 
Pretty much agree with that ocean it's not good for your health to have a pathological hatred of one man.

Beharder wrote:

lifesanocean wrote:

https://stuartreviewsstuff.wordpress.com/2016/08/24/eleven-questions-dundee-united-fans-should-ask-themselves/

Well thought out and hits the nail on the head. People need to chill the fuck out. Meltdowns after we lose a game are no use. I must say though that Jim Spence could do with thinking before he posts on Twitter as well.

 
Pretty much agree with that ocean it's not good for your health to have a pathological hatred of one man.

Very interesting and brave blog by SG Milne. It's not going to be met with universal adulation as with anything concerning the Chairman but personally I think its spot on.

It's just getting so predictable, boring and downbeat all the time, everything seems to come around full circle on the man. Even off topic stuff like Celtic in the Champions League he gets brought up on stuff.

TEK made this forum for himself and United fans, but this forum is what we make it, he can only do so much competitions and off topic stuff to keep things light hearted. It's just seems like constant ST bashing, meltdowns and doom and gloom all the fucking time. This is not from everyone, but the same posters saying the same stuff over and over again.

Do you think ST and Jim Spence even see's any of this stuff on here, and if they did do you even think they would care and even let on.

I'm not an ST fan, and I have no personal issue with Jim Spence but I don't follow him on twitter either so I don't know whats been going on. But come on, this is going to be a long season, like Beharder said, it can't be good for your health.

Opinions are always welcome but I think we can safely agree that ST and Jim Spence aren't popular on here. I'm not saying stop talking about them but maybe we can start by keeping it to a dedicated thread and go to town and let out all your vitriol there.

TheShed wrote:

 
From the outside looking in we appear to be run poorly, if I knew more I'd be better informed to know how right that is.

TheShed, you are well enough informed. There's no doubt we are being run poorly, otherwise we wouldn't have plummeted out of the top division, and had such a turnover of management staff and players over the past year.

However, our situation hasn't ruined my life, then again I've never been the type to rant when I don't agree with the way things are going. 

One last thing: Twitter sounds like a dangerous tool, or is it just dangerous in the hands of dangerous tools?
 

PatReilly wrote:

TheShed wrote:

 
From the outside looking in we appear to be run poorly, if I knew more I'd be better informed to know how right that is.

TheShed, you are well enough informed. There's no doubt we are being run poorly, otherwise we wouldn't have plummeted out of the top division, and had such a turnover of management staff and players over the past year.

However, our situation hasn't ruined my life, then again I've never been the type to rant when I don't agree with the way things are going. 

One last thing: Twitter sounds like a dangerous tool, or is it just dangerous in the hands of dangerous tools?
 

 
Pat, it hasn't ruined my life either, I'm not a ranter normally either, but when I see an easy fix to something, I don't understand why better educated people in better positions to do something about it, can't seem to see it, or choose to ignore it. That along with my own failing, that I can't seem to be half-hearted about anything I do or care about, has led to the odd rant. Guilty.

I'm not a massive Twitter user TBH, it's the only social media I use at all along with this place.  It's a dangerous place for employees if you say anything bad/ controversial about work/colleagues or anything to put off customers.  It can get folk in serious trouble, had personal experience of dealing with this type of thing. 

It's no different to any written form, once it's there, if u shouldn't have wrote it then u leave yourself open.  Sensible folk will rarely have problems with it but folk can be wound up by others deliberately very easily and when emotions are running high it's easy to cross the line and find urself in bother.

bowers wrote:

I wonder how jim spence and sgmilnes direct mails on twitter the day before went

Believe it or not - and I'm going to say 'not' - completely unrelated. We discussed why the ST interview was off and that was it.

bowers wrote:

I wonder how jim spence and sgmilnes direct mails on twitter the day before went

 
Honestly, you couldn't make it up. DM's at night, Blog in the morning.  #WeAreUnited

Don't read blogs by fans any more so will give this one a miss. Didn't even read the blog that later got retracted last week, 99% of fan blogs are uneducated, self praising pish and thus not worth my time reading them.

On the subject of ST however there is absolutely no right or wrong way to approach it and it is absolutely down to the individual. I posted in here during the post season about wether or not I should buy a season ticket for this season and was told not to by some if I wanted regime change but others told me to press ahead with it. In the end I opted to buy one as I still don't see any viable alternative for takeover of the club. Fan run or otherwise.

This doesn't mean my grudge against ST has gone just that I will be sure to hold him responsible should our side flop this season due to a lack of investment in the side in areas such as CF and CB. All well and good getting rid of last years side but it was ST's poor judgement and lack of back bone that allowed Jackie free reign to fill the side with sub standard players when more questions should have been asked.

What exactly are the fans meant to put behind us? I've heard very little anti Thompson rhetoric this season as the vast vast majority of fans are right behind Ray. All abuse towards ST from my area of the Eddie Thompson has been quickly shut down by others urging the individual to back the club/ team in the championship.

However should we start to underperforn those with a real axe to grind with the chairman are perfectly well reasoned to tell him to gtf, they are supporters of our club who are staggered by his poor leadership. They have every right to voice any opinion they want, just as the rest of us have.

I'm certainly not going to take advice from any blog aided by Jim Spence either, the Dundee based, United supporter who has a Journalist never questioned ST or JM about their roles in our downfall. From the comments I see on here it seems like another attempt to split fans who for the most part have been focused with performance on the pitch in recent months

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Morphman wrote:

Don't read blogs by fans any more so will give this one a miss. Didn't even read the blog that later got retracted last week, 99% of fan blogs are uneducated, self praising pish and thus not worth my time reading them.

On the subject of ST however there is absolutely no right or wrong way to approach it and it is absolutely down to the individual. I posted in here during the post season about wether or not I should buy a season ticket for this season and was told not to by some if I wanted regime change but others told me to press ahead with it. In the end I opted to buy one as I still don't see any viable alternative for takeover of the club. Fan run or otherwise.

This doesn't mean my grudge against ST has gone just that I will be sure to hold him responsible should our side flop this season due to a lack of investment in the side in areas such as CF and CB. All well and good getting rid of last years side but it was ST's poor judgement and lack of back bone that allowed Jackie free reign to fill the side with sub standard players when more questions should have been asked.

What exactly are the fans meant to put behind us? I've heard very little anti Thompson rhetoric this season as the vast vast majority of fans are right behind Ray. All abuse towards ST from my area of the Eddie Thompson has been quickly shut down by others urging the individual to back the club/ team in the championship.

However should we start to underperforn those with a real axe to grind with the chairman are perfectly well reasoned to tell him to gtf, they are supporters of our club who are staggered by his poor leadership. They have every right to voice any opinion they want, just as the rest of us have.

I'm certainly not going to take advice from any blog aided by Jim Spence either, the Dundee based, United supporter who has a Journalist never questioned ST or JM about their roles in our downfall. From the comments I see on here it seems like another attempt to split fans who for the most part have been focused with performance on the pitch in recent months

 

Good post. The Morph. ✊

Billy_Hainey wrote:

Morphman wrote:

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However should we start to underperforn those with a real axe to grind with the chairman are perfectly well reasoned to tell him to gtf, they are supporters of our club who are staggered by his poor leadership. They have every right to voice any opinion they want, just as the rest of us have.

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Good post Morph. Your 2nd last para. worries me a wee bit. A run of poor results could make the support turn on Ray as they did we Jackie and Mixu. And of course ST and the board can sit high and mighty, well until it's their turn of course.

 
Agree with you Billy, eh would reckon that most fans will be able to tell if it was down to ST or Ray. JM and Mixu were both substantially backed in the transfer department (500k on Telfer and Muirhead approx. For JM. Mixu backed with ridiculous wages he spent on Journeymen). If McKinnon goes out and signs another 2/3 bodies he needs then I don't think we could complain about not being backed by the board and Ray would have to deliver in some form and take stick from fans for results. However at the moment we have a manager whos current signings all seem to be doing fairly well (Flood Toshney Bell Obadeyi) not being backed fully when jokers such as JM and Mixu with awful track records in player recruitment were backed.

However if the transfer window closes with us relying on our current crop of defenders and one solitary Striker in Simon Murray ehve nae doubt our supporter's would turn the finger towards ST and not Ray.

Ray kens our problems, he's made it clear he's attempting to address them but seems to be struggling due to lack of finance and high wage demands from many players. I'm not asking ST to go out and pay someone 2k pw when we're stuck in the championship but if it came to light that we're sitting players down and arguing over 100/200 pw for a player that will solve our crisis in these departments things will only get worse for ST and lead to more fans turning against him and the club by extension.

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Stuart's bog has caused a fair bit of discussion, but remember a blog is just one person putting his thoughts and views down in type for others to read.

I thought it was reasonable enough, but I can see why some folk disagree with all of it, some of it and  I can see why others agree with some of it, or all of it.

We've all typed things that appear come over as sarcastic, or condescending, but everyone interprets things differently, I just read it for what it was someone else's thoughts.

Just because (and I use these phrases in the friendliest of terms)  one person appears to be raging or howling at the moon, it doesn't mean the guy in the corner supping his pint quietly saying phuck all, or not ripping folk up on socal media cares any less, it's just some people choose their method of protest differently.

Some of the questions i'd have worded differently, some I wouldn't have asked, given the way they've been interpreted, the biggest being ......

"Has United being relegated affected your day to day life?"

Well, firstly i'd have to say no it hasn't, no.

Not day to day...I get up in the morning Monday - Friday, go to work, eat my meals at the same time, plan days and nights away with the Wife and kids and try and be as positive as I can be about life, nothing day to day has changed, all the things and people that are important to me are still in place.

However... at work we all discuss football and the week at work leads into Saturday, when we go to the football.

For the last 18 months we've poured over Black Tuesday, signings, sales, season tickets sales, Chairman's apathy, finances, loans, freed players, everything really, that ultimately led to relegation, we've done it upteem times and we'll do it umpteem more.

Then you come home from work and you go all over it again, be it on here, Mad, Eastfootball, Facebook, Twitter etc

Then you go to the pub abd you do the same with your mates.

Some of my best experiences in life (better say outside meeting/marrying the Wife and the kids being born incase she's looking over the shoulder) have been following United, so have some of the worst. 

The joy at the cup wins in 94 and 2010, the lows of being relegated in 95 and 2016, watching Bannon v Borussia, Clarky and Fergie v Barca or seeing shite like Darren Paterson play for United as we scrape a 2-2 away to Alloa in the cup, whilst sections of the support call for Sir Jum's head.

Ups and downs, more ups than downs though and more ups than some fans will ever experience.

So has United being relegated affected my day to day life? Yes I suppose it has, the last 18 months have led me to question is it all worth getting so wound up about, is it worth risking a bang in the puss in the pub as folk goad you, is it worth fallling out with the Wife when she asks a stupid question as you've been beaten for the 4th time in a row by the likes of Hamilton Accies?

Probably not.

Ask me again in May though once we score the goal to win the league or the one that wins the play offs and I'll call you a daft bastard and say "Of course it fucking is!"

Supporting a football team the way we do is not the most rational of things, but I fucking love it.
 

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