If Scotland voted for independence, just curious on whether you'd vote to stay in EU?

Stems from on one hand not being happy with decisions being pushed on you from London, versus having other decisions being pushed on you from Brussels. 

I know it's more complicated than that, but either way you're not purely independent.  The obvious thinking on my part is that you'd rather be tied to beurochracy in Brussels than London?

I'd be all for Scotland to go independent if I was Scottish.  I'd be persuading people on completely different politics though

Have go admit to being unsure which way to vote on this at times, my only political agenda is Scottish Independence.

In the end I voted to remain and have to say I was shocked when I read the results this morning.

All 32 councils in Scotland voted remain but only London voted to remain out of all English councils. Is that right?

TheShed wrote:

Andy wrote:

Have go admit to being unsure which way to vote on this at times, my only political agenda is Scottish Independence.

In the end I voted to remain and have to say I was shocked when I read the results this morning.

All 32 councils in Scotland voted remain but only London voted to remain out of all English councils. Is that right?

 
Yep that's right, something us and London finally agree on.

I've said it for a while, and probably said it on here too during indyref, Scotland and England are two very different countries these days, politically and socially with very different values and views.

I'm not suggesting one is better than the other but have linked it to Canada and US nowadays. 

I wonder if Nicola Sturgeon is privately happy with this vote?  Couldn't have turned out better with all Scottish councils voting one way and all in England outside of London the other, shows a clear divide?
 

Staggering image and potential implications.



 

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Today is the beginning of the end of the UK.

Beharder wrote:

Im not sure that this is a good thing for those that seek an indyref2.  I voted to stay in the EU as it is a kinda EU light however I definitely would not vote to join as a new state and accept the full EU Max. New states have to run their economies under EU guidelines join the Schengen area and join the Euro. That's not a future I could vote for.

True, and there will be many more who think this way.  I contest that there would be others, particularly those from EU countries that were told "the only way to guarantee EU membership and their right to work in Scotland, was to vote No".

Would it be enough to change a vote, I'm not sure.  I doubt we would get 85% voting again, and I've no idea if a lower number would help or hinder the required 5.5% swing.

As a supporter of Scottish independence the figure that will always concerned me was that 62% of those who voted No were always going to vote No, regardless of what was said or done.  They will still largely feel the same I think. 

SlatefordArab wrote:

Today is the beginning of the end of the UK.

 
Wouldn't bet against it being the beginning of the end of the EU too.

Lots of possibilities and it'll take a while for things to play out and clear scenarios emerge.

In the meantime I'd be cautious about thinking this will lead to independence.

For instance if England exited the EU to WTO status an independent Scotland in the EU would share its only land border with a state where trade was subject to tariffs...bit of a problem imo.

Morphy you said yourself the EU was forged principally to maintain peace in Europe.

Do you not think with the way things are now in the World that this friendship and organisation is more important than ever? I do.

I really fear for the future of Europe and the World at large.

Feels like the blue touch papers about to get lit by someone.... and there's sadly a lot of candidates.

Tek wrote:

Morphy you said yourself the EU was forged principally to maintain peace in Europe.

Do you not think with the way things are now in the World that this friendship and organisation is more important than ever? I do.

I really fear for the future of Europe and the World at large.

Feels like the blue touch papers about to get lit by someone.... and there's sadly a lot of candidates.

 
I personally think peace in Europe is more assured by NATO rather than the EU but I do see your point. However eh'd say that if we weren't the first to leave then France or Netherlands would be next to hold s referendum and leave.

The French government, supposed to be socialist/left wing had its hands tied by the EU on austerity and has been forced to implement cuts it does not support, much to the anger of the French public who don't like being dictated to by Germany, particularly when it is struggling with high unemployment where Germany is doing very well for itself.

Brexit is the blue touch paper for the collapse of the EU, if France vote to leave then the party is well and truly over. The worry will be a switch by these countries to parties such as the National Front in France when electing governnent. If that happens there would certainly be a case for worrying.

Andy wrote:

TheShed wrote:

Andy wrote:

Have go admit to being unsure which way to vote on this at times, my only political agenda is Scottish Independence.

In the end I voted to remain and have to say I was shocked when I read the results this morning.

All 32 councils in Scotland voted remain but only London voted to remain out of all English councils. Is that right?

 
Yep that's right, something us and London finally agree on.

I've said it for a while, and probably said it on here too during indyref, Scotland and England are two very different countries these days, politically and socially with very different values and views.

I'm not suggesting one is better than the other but have linked it to Canada and US nowadays. 

I wonder if Nicola Sturgeon is privately happy with this vote?  Couldn't have turned out better with all Scottish councils voting one way and all in England outside of London the other, shows a clear divide?
 

Currently in Turkey on holiday. Have lived and worked abroad and in England before moving back home 13 years ago.  Says it all for me that the only people I've spoken to who've said any sense since Thursday are Ameicans - Gosh if you can do this Trump got a bigger.chance than we thought: Germans - I'm not sure that you have thought through the economics of this; we heard that you were only thinking about immigration. Turks - is it true you only did this to stop us coming. The English abroad have sadly lived up to expectations.

How anyone can describe us as a United Kingdom any more is beyond me.
 

Tek wrote:

If Article 50 is ever activated it will take TEN YEARS to be implemented due to the nature of the extensive negotations and red-tape.

England and Wales have been sold a pup.

Their attempt to 'get their country back' has almost certainly precipitated the beginning of the end for the Union (British and European).And could see a return of Armed guards and tensions in NI.

Well played Lads.

 
If article fifty activated then max two year period and if no agreement (60% of member states and representing 60% of population) then automatic exit to WTO status (ie tariffs and other trade barriers)

As the EU are currently playing hardball and saying no negotations before article fifty activated that'd mean two years to go through 80,000 pages of treaties.

Yep theyve played an absolute fuckimg blinder.

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