HeggyHandshake wrote:

Foo Kin Twat wrote:

Thanks for your kind comments Gents.  I have heard various things in the last year like, "oh we are losing this or that thousand pounds a week or a month".  With my day job in mind, some sense of perspective is needed, as finishing one league place lower than where you aim to be with a break even budget means you are going to lose about £5,000 a month.  Two League places means £10,000 per month and so on. That is a high pressure environment to be setting annual budgets etc in a business that is as volatile as football, I'll tell you.  Surely even the biggest detractors must admit that?    

Waffelz ... nae sure yet what my plan is.  I believe Mr Dantes wishes shown around some of the the Granite Shitty's low spots.  PM me how you are travelling and I'll answer any questions you have.  And of course I will probably see you Wednesday?

Did you ask any questions about finances??

You mention that we lose money per place, so for example we budgeted for Top 6 and were already losing 20k a week then had to sack our management team whilst having to bring in more players and now praying for a 3rd bottom finish. If these were the sort of circumstances facing us, would that be a worry??


 

I asked general questions as I have said in the OP, the answers to which have given me a far greater understanding of what the starting points etc are for budgets, than I had before the meeting (which was zero knowledge).  But I'm sure you are meaning specific Forensic questions, so the answer to that is obviously no, as I had insufficient information/knowledge in the first place.  I feel I have said what I can say on a Message Board though.  I could have kept it to myself, but I wanted to be able to reach out to Average Joes like me and I assured Mr Southern that certain specifics would remain private.  I feel I have kept to my word and it seems most on here are happy to have read what I have said.  Dundee United whilst being my football team of choice (and yours) is (as we know) a Limited Company and is owned by the Thompson Family.  

Technically they can do whatever they like with Dundee United and if they wanted to drive the Club off the Tay Bridge, there is absolutely nothing you nor I can do about it.  Just as Roman Abramovich could do likewise to Chelski (I can always hope that happens can't I???!!!)  I am just a Customer, albeit a Customer who has an emotional attachment to the product that is Dundee United.  If I don't like what's on offer I can choose not to go. Did we not dodge a potential bullet with Romanov?  Look at Deadco and Craig Whyte and Charles Green?  You obviously have the point of view that the Chairman is bleeding the Club dry for his own personal gain, whilst I see no evidence available to me to back that point of view up.  All I can go on is that it is his family's money that has propped us up for years and if your point of view is correct, then he's doing so under the nose of his mother and sister and in doing so is also going against the wishes of his late father?  I don't buy that.  

Don't get me wrong, we missed a huge opportunity last season, that will probably not come along again in my lifetime, but keeping Armstrong and GMS would not have guaranteed us winning anything.  Yes we would have increased our chances of maybe winning something, but that is all.  We still would have had to Joust with a Giant in Glasgow that has 10x plus the resources we have and no guarantee of being able to slay that Giant.  Just as has been the case for over 2 decades now!

Don't get me wrong, I think the Chairman has made mistakes this year.  And big ones at that, but I don't think it warrants some of what is going on.  I for one am prepared to see if he has learned from his mistakes and Saturday's meeting with his General Manager followed by the teams performance and those 3 points have swept away some of my dark clouds of doubt.

Can I ask a question of you HH please?  Do you think it is fair on the new Manager to be weighed down by all this anti Chairman rhetoric?        
 

Foo Kin Twat wrote:

HeggyHandshake wrote:

Foo Kin Twat wrote:

Thanks for your kind comments Gents.  I have heard various things in the last year like, "oh we are losing this or that thousand pounds a week or a month".  With my day job in mind, some sense of perspective is needed, as finishing one league place lower than where you aim to be with a break even budget means you are going to lose about £5,000 a month.  Two League places means £10,000 per month and so on. That is a high pressure environment to be setting annual budgets etc in a business that is as volatile as football, I'll tell you.  Surely even the biggest detractors must admit that?    

Waffelz ... nae sure yet what my plan is.  I believe Mr Dantes wishes shown around some of the the Granite Shitty's low spots.  PM me how you are travelling and I'll answer any questions you have.  And of course I will probably see you Wednesday?

Did you ask any questions about finances??

You mention that we lose money per place, so for example we budgeted for Top 6 and were already losing 20k a week then had to sack our management team whilst having to bring in more players and now praying for a 3rd bottom finish. If these were the sort of circumstances facing us, would that be a worry??

 

I asked general questions as I have said in the OP, the answers to which have given me a far greater understanding of what the starting points etc are for budgets, than I had before the meeting (which was zero knowledge).  But I'm sure you are meaning specific Forensic questions, so the answer to that is obviously no, as I had insufficient information/knowledge in the first place.  I feel I have said what I can say on a Message Board though.  I could have kept it to myself, but I wanted to be able to reach out to Average Joes like me and I assured Mr Southern that certain specifics would remain private.  I feel I have kept to my word and it seems most on here are happy to have read what I have said.  Dundee United whilst being my football team of choice (and yours) is (as we know) a Limited Company and is owned by the Thompson Family.  

Technically they can do whatever they like with Dundee United and if they wanted to drive the Club off the Tay Bridge, there is absolutely nothing you nor I can do about it.  Just as Roman Abramovich could do likewise to Chelski (I can always hope that happens can't I???!!!)  I am just a Customer, albeit a Customer who has an emotional attachment to the product that is Dundee United.  If I don't like what's on offer I can choose not to go. Did we not dodge a potential bullet with Romanov?  Look at Deadco and Craig Whyte and Charles Green?  You obviously have the point of view that the Chairman is bleeding the Club dry for his own personal gain, whilst I see no evidence available to me to back that point of view up.  All I can go on is that it is his family's money that has propped us up for years and if your point of view is correct, then he's doing so under the nose of his mother and sister and in doing so is also going against the wishes of his late father?  I don't buy that.  

Don't get me wrong, we missed a huge opportunity last season, that will probably not come along again in my lifetime, but keeping Armstrong and GMS would not have guaranteed us winning anything.  Yes we would have increased our chances of maybe winning something, but that is all.  We still would have had to Joust with a Giant in Glasgow that has 10x plus the resources we have and no guarantee of being able to slay that Giant.  Just as has been the case for over 2 decades now!

Don't get me wrong, I think the Chairman has made mistakes this year.  And big ones at that, but I don't think it warrants some of what is going on.  I for one am prepared to see if he has learned from his mistakes and Saturday's meeting with his General Manager followed by the teams performance and those 3 points have swept away some of my dark clouds of doubt.

Can I ask a question of you HH please?  Do you think it is fair on the new Manager to be weighed down by all this anti Chairman rhetoric?        
 

 
2nd best post of the season, after the OP! 

You will have to point out where I said he is bleeding us dry??

You are right about the Thompson Family being able to do what they like, 100% right.

You seem to be happier because you were told a few things from Southern. Can you then understand that there are some fans not so happy as they see far more serious questions unanswered?

Sorry but that last comment is ridiculous.

'tedious'

Agreed.

Well done Fooky for asking for answers and for going to the meeting.Hope it satisfied your curiosity on certain matters.

Me personally I think the so-called '5 year plan' is an extremely flawed concept.But i'll leave that for another time.

Tek wrote:

Sieb22 wrote:

Failing that, why don't you back it up and do what Fooky has done and go and speak to them direct and get the answers to your questions that you want.
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Wee bitty harsh there Sieb.

As far as i'm aware HH has been wanting to have a meeting with Mr Thompson for months and keeps getting rebuffed.
 

 
Dont think its harsh at all Tek to be honest with you. Curious to see how you think that.

Fair play to HH if he is trying to get his questions answered.

Tek wrote:

Sieb22 wrote:

Tek wrote:

Wee bitty harsh there Sieb.

As far as i'm aware HH has been wanting to have a meeting with Mr Thompson for months and keeps getting rebuffed.
 

 
Dont think its harsh at all Tek to be honest with you. Curious to see how you think that.

Fair play to HH if he is trying to get his questions answered.

I think it's harsh because you were basically saying to him to stop posting about Thompson and challenging him to arrange a meeting with him if he wanted to get answers.

And as he can't meet Thompson in person to ask questions/air his frustrations where else is he meant to vent them?






 

 
Where exactly did I ask him to stop posting about Thompson? How did I dictate that exactly?

Here's a thought, why don't we put up a new topic just about Stevie Thompson and have a debate or "vent" there instead of always going back to the same old arguments in different threads.

This thread is getting locked Chaps.

If anyone wants to raise an issue with that they can PM me.

SCENES!!!

First Class post FKT informative and also very well written, you know my typing speed that post would have taken me 'till next season to finish, hats aff tae you !


Beware of the fishermen !   

Would rather say this publicly rather than in a PM, but I would like to apologise to Fooky, obviously my comments last night and the aftermath de-railed this topic, and the last thing I wanted to do was to take away from the original post which Fooky obviously put a lot of work into, which myself and others, judging from the initial feedback greatly appriciated.

As for HeggyHandshake, in relation to you accusing me of not letting posters on here have different views in the locked topic, then I sincerely hope you look at my past previous posts, hopefully then you can see that you have misjudged me.
And for that I extend an olive branch and hopefully we can just start over. 

SCENES  

All good here mate. 

I'm just going to step out and let everybody live happily ever after. ;)