The risk of signing players with bad injury records.

smedDUm wrote:

In 6 seasons with Falkirk & 5 with St Johnstone he's averaged 30 starts a season.
And with St Johnstone he's maybe averaged 10 subbie spots a season.
Hardly a bad injury record.
But if you want to drag him down, carry on.

I don't want to drag any United player down, smeDUm.  But Tam has a bad injury record, over the last three seasons. These injuries wouldn't affect how many games he managed in his teens or early twenties, I'm sure you'd concede.

He missed around about four months last season. He has twice suffered ligament injuries and missed long periods of previous recent seasons. Your statistics are wrong too, but they don't really matter, it's his recent injury issues I'm highlighting. It doesn't matter if he was fit ten years ago, we've signed him for now.

I hope he gets over this latest setback, and goes on to be a success at Tannadice.

PatReilly wrote:

smedDUm wrote:

In 6 seasons with Falkirk & 5 with St Johnstone he's averaged 30 starts a season.
And with St Johnstone he's maybe averaged 10 subbie spots a season.
Hardly a bad injury record.
But if you want to drag him down, carry on.

I don't want to drag any United player down, smeDUm.  But Tam has a bad injury record, over the last three seasons. These injuries wouldn't affect how many games he managed in his teens or early twenties, I'm sure you'd concede.

He missed around about four months last season. He has twice suffered ligament injuries and missed long periods of previous recent seasons. Your statistics are wrong too, but they don't really matter, it's his recent injury issues I'm highlighting. It doesn't matter if he was fit ten years ago, we've signed him for now.

I hope he gets over this latest setback, and goes on to be a success at Tannadice.

I'll have to assume your knowledge of his recent medical history is correct Pat & I take your point but he's still on the right side of 30 so it's not like he's falling apart yet
As far as dodgy stats are concerned Wicki has him playing an average of just under 29 games a season over 11 seasons & I imagine he'll have been a benchman (so not injured) 6 - 12 times a season as well. So 400-plus availabilities out of 450-plus games does not shout 'bad injury record' to me.

 

JerryDungle wrote:

smedDUm wrote:

PatReilly wrote:

I don't want to drag any United player down, smeDUm.  But Tam has a bad injury record, over the last three seasons. These injuries wouldn't affect how many games he managed in his teens or early twenties, I'm sure you'd concede.

He missed around about four months last season. He has twice suffered ligament injuries and missed long periods of previous recent seasons. Your statistics are wrong too, but they don't really matter, it's his recent injury issues I'm highlighting. It doesn't matter if he was fit ten years ago, we've signed him for now.

I hope he gets over this latest setback, and goes on to be a success at Tannadice.

I'll have to assume your knowledge of his recent medical history is correct Pat & I take your point but he's still on the right side of 30 so it's not like he's falling apart yet
As far as dodgy stats are concerned Wicki has him playing an average of just under 29 games a season over 11 seasons & I imagine he'll have been a benchman (so not injured) 6 - 12 times a season as well. So 400-plus availabilities out of 450-plus games does not shout 'bad injury record' to me.

 

You're blethering shite, he's averaged 21 league games a season throughout his career, and only managed 16 last season, that does suggest he's injury prone, which is something that was spoken about both in the media and by St. J fans when he signed, and was hinted at as the main reason he was offered reduced terms at St. Johnstone.

Here's his injury record. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/tam-scobbie/verletzungen/spieler/39710

That's a handy site right enough.
Anyway I'm glad Wicki agrees with Transfer Mrket, 307 games in 11 seasons  = 28 games a season so you're blethering shite with your 21 games a season.
 

JerryDungle wrote:

smedDUm wrote:

JerryDungle wrote:

You're blethering shite, he's averaged 21 league games a season throughout his career, and only managed 16 last season, that does suggest he's injury prone, which is something that was spoken about both in the media and by St. J fans when he signed, and was hinted at as the main reason he was offered reduced terms at St. Johnstone.

Here's his injury record. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/tam-scobbie/verletzungen/spieler/39710

That's a handy site right enough.
Anyway I'm glad Wicki agrees with Transfer Mrket, 307 games in 11 seasons  = 28 games a season so you're blethering shite with your 21 games a season.
 

That's 261 league games over 12, not 11 seasons, giving you 21.75 games per season, with no indication as to how many of those were as a starter. Hardly a first team regular, is he? And if his small number of performances in a tangerine shirt are anything to go by, it's not difficult to see why.

It's quite an achievement to look like the worst player on the park that contains both The Funsters and the sorry crop of players we have amassed at the moment.

Do cup games not count? His appearances record looks worse when you only count league games, is that where you're going? Add on 47 Sc Cup, Lge Cup, Euro games (11 btw) & you get 27.90 games per season prior to coming to us. And if you do want to count this season then wait til the end when he will have played more than 28 games. Your injury history record has him missing 54 games in 11 seasons prior to coming to us. That's being injured on average 5 times a season tho by my same previous equation that figure will rise slightly. Fair enough? And you say he's hardly a 1st team regular. That's not the argument, it's his injury record & I'm only trying to justifiably defend it. Worst player on the park v the Fun?? Debatable. Don't you want him to be any good or something and if so, why?
 

smedDUm wrote:

Do cup games not count? His appearances record looks worse when you only count league games, is that where you're going? Add on 47 Sc Cup, Lge Cup, Euro games (11 btw) & you get 27.90 games per season prior to coming to us. And if you do want to count this season then wait til the end when he will have played more than 28 games. Your injury history record has him missing 54 games in 11 seasons prior to coming to us. That's being injured on average 5 times a season tho by my same previous equation that figure will rise slightly. Fair enough? And you say he's hardly a 1st team regular. That's not the argument, it's his injury record & I'm only trying to justifiably defend it. Worst player on the park v the Fun?? Debatable. Don't you want him to be any good or something and if so, why?
 

It's nothing to do with not wanting him to be good, but he wasn't good in any of the games he played in prior to getting injured. The boy Deacon, who by all accounts has been very poor for The Fun this season, ripped the absolute piss out of him at left back in the first game, thank god he had to go off in the second game, cause the exact same was happening again, Robson looked like Roberto Carlos in comparison.

I was fine with us signing him on the assumption that he was gonna provide competition to Durnan and Edjenguele at Centre-Half, but it took all of about 5 minutes for everyone bar you to see that the boy's no a left back in a million years. He looks like he's towing a caravan when he runs, The Pundit knew this, so he targeted him, and every other manager in the league will do the same to disastrous effect.

Raymond needed to get the full back positions right this summer, and he got them badly, badly wrong, and it looks like it's gonna cost us big style.

Tek wrote:

lifesanocean wrote:

TEK do you not read the news? 
 

Nope.

Ain't bought a paper in years.
 

 
Are you aware that the Courier and Tully, like most media outlets, do an online edition which you can access using the world wide web? Whilst not great, for an exiled Arab running a Utd forum,  they can be useful sources of information about what's going on at Tannadice, who's coming back from injury etc.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-united/523319/dundee-united-boss-ray-mckinnon-receives-double-defensive-boost-duo-return-training/

Post # 12 says our opponents will be targeting Tam 'to diasastrous effect'.

Anyway...he was signed primarily as a left back and possible cover for central defence.
Deacon is a bit of a player & is giving PL left backs a job.
Scobbie will come back into the side & will improve the back four, don't write him off on the evidence of a game and a half.

Fuck mckinnon aswell as the media.

Goodie Conway 2 wrote:

Tek wrote:

blackandtangerine wrote:

Fuck the courier and the tully. Infact fuck all newspapers and their online editions.

Just saying.
 

What B+T said.

Toe the party-line.

Btw LAO i wouldn't have started a thread asking when he's back if i already knew the answer.
 

Seems strange to me that you will quote and link to The Sun but not our local papers. They may not be the best for scoops or investigative journalism but they tend to be pretty factual in their reporting.
 

Eh?

I have put links to Courier and Telegragh articles several times on here.

i don't go out of my way to read them (or any other paper).That's the difference.

If i see something interesting on my Twitter timeline i share it on here.Regardless of where it's from.

p.s. their 'factual reporting' 90% of it comes directly from Twitter or Forums like this.
 

Goodie Conway 2 wrote:

Tek wrote:

blackandtangerine wrote:

Fuck the courier and the tully. Infact fuck all newspapers and their online editions.

Just saying.
 

What B+T said.

Toe the party-line.

Btw LAO i wouldn't have started a thread asking when he's back if i already knew the answer.
 

Seems strange to me that you will quote and link to The Sun but not our local papers. They may not be the best for scoops or investigative journalism but they tend to be pretty factual in their reporting.
 

Factual in reporting you say. Hmmmmm
 

I think most clubs are economical with the truth re injury comebacks cos if you get it wrong you'll be for it.
Better to err on the lengthy side so that anything quicker is a bonus.